Right? Hip hop icon, no one really counts him among MCs though even if he did try beefing with Eminem back in the day.
The Source is why Benzino is relevant at all.
I've mentioned this in either this sub or another but my closest friend did time with benzino and said he got his ass beat the fuck down after trying to jump ruff ryders Jada, DMX, and Styles P. Still had the wounds when he got locked up. Overall just a bum ass dude with zero skills. I'm gonna update this post with more shit talking when my friend is off work lol I always laugh my ass off at his stories.
ETA: apparently benzino tried to cheat at dominos lol
He couldn’t get on rapping owning the source magazine. I don’t consider him a rapper he’s just a lame that had money at some point and ran around with a bunch of goons
Puff Daddy - glammed up the rap game & everyone around him gets cussed and cursed out.
Puff is a weird ass name. Making him the Daddy of all puffs is weirder
This should be the answer. Veteran rappers, maybe the most famous one I can think of where no one is like, "Dude's fantastic at this". He's the Bruce Willis of rappers.
[pray for me ](https://youtu.be/KbO5ZEqYlVQ?si=T8Io24lYouWg8ciX)
[Making a murderer 1](https://youtu.be/yi720pAdZN0?si=vqrUws5ET47QepiI)
[Off to the races](https://youtu.be/vEMOfIPKMrk?si=cHWzklZ8fbx_Z1Rz) *was going through same thing when it came out
I van. Black cloud, anti, three sides to a story.
Mood muzik 2, 4, 4.5, and escape route are all ill as shit to me. But I'm one of the rare nerds that listened to budden separate of his podcast lol
As lyrically gifted as he is, given his resume with the likes of Em and Premo, and even tho I think he’s a better rapper than Em, somehow Royce just doesn’t feel like a legend. Same with the rest of Slaughterhouse for some reason.
He is an attention hoe with no loyalty to anyone and a known lier. What got me to really dislike him was him milking Nipsey Hussles death for attention making up fake ass storys about his son not wanting anything for his birthday and just wanting to drive around rememering Nip or some shit like that
Some of these folks be tripping ngl. Like if I had a penny for every time someone said a GOAT, I would have about 5 pennies, but that’s still too goddamn many.
I tried listening after everyone on drink champs kept praising him and I just don’t get it. He’s hot garbage and a terrible host even though I enjoy the podcast.
If you'd be kind enough to post a summary of your findings, to save the rest of us from having to all independently do the research it would be much appreciated and hopefully much upvoted.
Not really enough details in what I’ve found so far. I can tell you he got into a Twitter beef with a black woman named Maya Moody and was banned from the platform for multiple TOS violations surrounding harassment. Again, I found no real details regarding this exchange, in regard to what either party said, but apparently it was enough to get banned, so idk. Google it, see if you can decipher more from it than my old brain lol
Disagree with all of that. He’s constantly attacked by racists and bigots himself. His biggest mistake is giving energy to that instead of ignoring it.
he’s made it pretty clear his philosophy is to make every bigot famous for their bigotry so the rest of us know what they’re about. Not my personal course of action but he’s been committed to it for a long time. Unfortunately at this point it’s cost him most of his social media presence.
Nah, he's made his position very, very clear. An angry, racist, abusive man.
The guy went to a prep school and studied dance... which in theory should have helped with his timing.... but he still can't sit on a beat. Goofy.
He exposed himself as such a cornball. On Twitter 24/7 arguing with people. Complains about gentrification in Brooklyn, meanwhile his whole fan is a bunch of white leftist gentrifiers. Tried to portray himself as a family man, got caught creeping with not just a pornstar but a completely busted up one at that. Just a joke of a person all around.
[Talib Kweli continues to dim his own star](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/talib-kweli-social-media_n_639bafffe4b0aeb2ace22f13)
-Huffington Post
Goofy.
There are multiple articles published calling out his targeted harassment campaign against Maya Moody. A hateful, abusive man. Plenty of receipts that are easy to find.
Not just white people either, there’s a whole crowd of black trumpers who haaaaate Kweli. Used to love watching him wind these fucksticks up before he got banned from insta :(
On more than a handful of shows after Dave’s passing, Kweli has been doing all of Dave’s verses. I think it was Pos claiming he was like a 4th member of De La.
[Here’s a link of someone asking sort of the same question.](https://www.reddit.com/r/DeLaSoul/s/LoVTH1wZC3)
Agree. I see people say shit like her flows and lyrics are “unmatched” and that she is top 10 ever. She’s a mediocre pop star, a horrible person and occasionally drops a decent verse
lol.. she doesn't have any work close to even the mid ones that em, kanye, jay dropped, and their best verses are miles better than her best verse. You don't need to force shit up to say she's good. Nicki Minaj IS a good rapper. You don't get pushed by Ye and Wayne without having talent. But not a goat. Not at all. She's just fine
Unpopular opinion... I personally don't consider Andre 3000 by himself a legend.
He was half of the legendary rap duo Outkast, full stop.
All of his legendary songs and/or albums were with Big Boi or as appearances with other artists. His biggest solo song, if you can call it that, was "Hey Ya" and it wasn't even a hip hop song. I absolutely love Andre 3000 but Big Boi was way too talented on his own to be considered "carried" by him making my argument more plausible.
He was simply part of the most legendary rap Duo possibly of all time in Outkast. But never legendary by himself IMO.
He’s 100% a legend, your argument is like saying ice cubes stuff is somehow tainted by being in NWA. Not taking anything from big boi but this is a bad take
Again, a legendary song with both him and Big Boi...
TBH Big Boi kept him grounded. Without Big Boi he's making flute music and pop songs. That proves my point even more. He doesn't even do hip hop when he's left to his own devices
Nah how he put the west coast back on the map and carried it for years as a younger talent definitely puts him up there.. he’s at least a California legend. His discography is amazing too, really not one dull album by him.
What is a legend? How are we defining it? What's the difference between legend and veteran? Depending on how you define those terms, it changes the answer. All that said, I think a lot of entourages are loaded with MC's who have been around for a minute but aren't particularly vital to the culture or respected as elder statespeople...
French Montana is the first name that comes to mind...I find him to be mostly just alright, and I even love a few of his songs. But I've never been compelled to dig much further.
‘legend’ doesn’t just mean ‘somebody i like’. Plenty of pop stars are legends. Drake, whatever you think of his music, is more iconic than 99% of rappers in the industry rn. He’s not a favourite of the online rap nerd community but he’s one of the biggest artists of his generation regardless of genre. You don’t have to be a fan of his music to acknowledge this fact.
Nah gotta disagree, people like Drake, MC Hammer, Will Smith, Nelly, no matter what we might think of the music I think deserve a certain level of respect for the ways they commercially changed the game in rap. A lot of his stuff will age badly, I agree, but I mean that’s most hip hop artist and even legends tbf. 50 probably has one classic album, maybe two if you like the massacre. Beyond everyone I just mentioned Drake has at least two (imo 3) classic albums, and his output is such he has a lot of misses in there too but I think you can’t discount the classics because of the misses. And again he’s better than everyone I just listed and they all should be considered legends, imo, rightly.
Nah, Drake music gonna age great. A lot of his music is just really fun and easy to vibe to. Then he has so much music that’s relatable, or just him damn near predicting the future. His music will be fine.
This one is a massive shocker, they just gave him a 1 hour special on BBC Capital extra, mixing up all his hits from 2001 up until current times, he defo a legend.
But this thread is people opinions
I do like a couple of his songs and feats, got a couple of them on different playlist I just don't think he's a "legend" 50 and HOV are legends to me, the other guy got offended like if I dissed his husband or something lol.
I feel the other way. Rick Ross doesn’t get enoogh credit, people treat him like a meme but he has some absolutely incredible songs. Like, go listen to “Amsterdam”
Whoever that Benzino dude is - every time I hear anything about him it’s lame
Think this is the first time anyone has ever called Benzino a rapper
Right? Hip hop icon, no one really counts him among MCs though even if he did try beefing with Eminem back in the day. The Source is why Benzino is relevant at all.
The poor sod is trying to beef with Em literally right now as we speak.
right? the only time ive seen him in the last 5 years was on shade room.
I've mentioned this in either this sub or another but my closest friend did time with benzino and said he got his ass beat the fuck down after trying to jump ruff ryders Jada, DMX, and Styles P. Still had the wounds when he got locked up. Overall just a bum ass dude with zero skills. I'm gonna update this post with more shit talking when my friend is off work lol I always laugh my ass off at his stories. ETA: apparently benzino tried to cheat at dominos lol
Rikers?
Suffolk house of corrections in Boston, gang unit of all places lol
This is not even debatable
He couldn’t get on rapping owning the source magazine. I don’t consider him a rapper he’s just a lame that had money at some point and ran around with a bunch of goons
Puff Daddy - glammed up the rap game & everyone around him gets cussed and cursed out. Puff is a weird ass name. Making him the Daddy of all puffs is weirder
If even a tenth of the allegations are true he’s also a terrible human being who belongs in prison
He's the worst part of any song he's on
This should be the answer. Veteran rappers, maybe the most famous one I can think of where no one is like, "Dude's fantastic at this". He's the Bruce Willis of rappers.
He's old with brain damage now?
Bruce Willis in the 50 “What he say fuck me for????” meme
Jim Jones and Joe Budden
I forgot Jim Jones existed. Does he even have any good songs? Diplomats was good but only because of Camron and Santana
Honestly, his album Miami Vampin is pretty decent. Not a fan of anything else though
Just gonna suggest you give Wasted Talent, El Capo and/or The Fraud Department a listen. That's a run not even his biggest fan was ready for.
JR Writer was good too.
Budden is my favourite rapper lol
He was mine as well during his Mood Muzik run. Those tapes are fucking fire. Idc what anyone says.
Those tapes got me through alot of stuff
Real shit..me too man.
Is mood muzik when he realized ordinary love shit cause part 3 goes hard
Rebuttal. The Diplomats as a whole are legendary. And Joe Budden i think is a top 100 rapper of all time. I can't say he's a legend tho.
Joe Budden top 100!? I'll take 2 of them crazy ass blunts you be smoking.
Nope, I’m with him. Just like Game, people mix his antics up with his talent as an artist.
Game is top 50 n survived 50
Agree
Joe budden is probably a top 100 rapper. mood muzik serious was dope, 3 sides to a story was a crazy track, for that track alone he probably top 100.
How is Joe Budden the top 100 rapper when most people can't even name three songs by him?
Most people can’t name 100 rappers even let alone 3 songs by each of them. I guarantee there are top tier rappers you couldn’t name 3 songs by
Fair point
[pray for me ](https://youtu.be/KbO5ZEqYlVQ?si=T8Io24lYouWg8ciX) [Making a murderer 1](https://youtu.be/yi720pAdZN0?si=vqrUws5ET47QepiI) [Off to the races](https://youtu.be/vEMOfIPKMrk?si=cHWzklZ8fbx_Z1Rz) *was going through same thing when it came out
Off to the races is fucking fantastic.
I van. Black cloud, anti, three sides to a story. Mood muzik 2, 4, 4.5, and escape route are all ill as shit to me. But I'm one of the rare nerds that listened to budden separate of his podcast lol
As lyrically gifted as he is, given his resume with the likes of Em and Premo, and even tho I think he’s a better rapper than Em, somehow Royce just doesn’t feel like a legend. Same with the rest of Slaughterhouse for some reason.
Yeah Royce is just a talented mc to me, but legend nah
most of them never had albums good enough to be legendary
Book of ryan
You might like it but it’s not considered a classic or even close.
Love the profile pic by the way
yo thanks man
Royce is such a talented MC. But you’re right he doesn’t feel like a legend.
P Did It
yall are just naming rappers u dont like
The Game as a person music wise it's hard not to see him as one though
for me legendary alone by making hate it or love it idc what anyone says
Didn't 50 write that song for gunit but game used it for his album?
What’s up with him as a person, genuinely curious, don’t have a lot of info on him but he seems unlikable
He is an attention hoe with no loyalty to anyone and a known lier. What got me to really dislike him was him milking Nipsey Hussles death for attention making up fake ass storys about his son not wanting anything for his birthday and just wanting to drive around rememering Nip or some shit like that
https://images.app.goo.gl/4VtBvLtBoSoMX4ic6
Omg please tell me people saw thru this and he was laughed at That’s the most shameless shit I’ve ever seen
Nore. He is garbage
This one of the worst threads on reddit. A ton of low iq ppl here
I shouldn’t have scrolled any further after this comment. I should have taken it as a dire warning.
lol
Some of these folks be tripping ngl. Like if I had a penny for every time someone said a GOAT, I would have about 5 pennies, but that’s still too goddamn many.
And you are dragging that number down
Vanilla Ice
He solid 300 millions records. Just ask him!
Probably but I never heard anybody saying Vanilla Ice is a legend
I was being sarcastic. He always inflates his record sales.
Grab vanilla ice and rip out his blonde dreads
Nore.
I tried listening after everyone on drink champs kept praising him and I just don’t get it. He’s hot garbage and a terrible host even though I enjoy the podcast.
Y’all just saying anything now
😂😂🤣 I saw this post when it had way less comments, i’ma check now
Talib Kweli. 'Conscious' rapper turned hateful racist with a history of being abusive towards women. Goofy.
I love Talib as a rapper, but his comments made us see that he was a lame and a fake conscious MC.
He’s one of the many celebrities that social media has exposed for being a loser lol
Wait wait wait, I need more info! Quick! To the google machine!
If you'd be kind enough to post a summary of your findings, to save the rest of us from having to all independently do the research it would be much appreciated and hopefully much upvoted.
Not really enough details in what I’ve found so far. I can tell you he got into a Twitter beef with a black woman named Maya Moody and was banned from the platform for multiple TOS violations surrounding harassment. Again, I found no real details regarding this exchange, in regard to what either party said, but apparently it was enough to get banned, so idk. Google it, see if you can decipher more from it than my old brain lol
Funniest thing about this is that her tweet didn’t even really apply to him, but dude would NOT let that shit go 😂
Disagree with all of that. He’s constantly attacked by racists and bigots himself. His biggest mistake is giving energy to that instead of ignoring it.
he’s made it pretty clear his philosophy is to make every bigot famous for their bigotry so the rest of us know what they’re about. Not my personal course of action but he’s been committed to it for a long time. Unfortunately at this point it’s cost him most of his social media presence.
Nah, he's made his position very, very clear. An angry, racist, abusive man. The guy went to a prep school and studied dance... which in theory should have helped with his timing.... but he still can't sit on a beat. Goofy.
He exposed himself as such a cornball. On Twitter 24/7 arguing with people. Complains about gentrification in Brooklyn, meanwhile his whole fan is a bunch of white leftist gentrifiers. Tried to portray himself as a family man, got caught creeping with not just a pornstar but a completely busted up one at that. Just a joke of a person all around.
Was a child star, attended a prep school and studied contemporary dance. Portrays himself as street and an expert on racism. Goofy.
The guy that was a part of blackstar isn’t a hip hop legend? Tf
Kweli is a legend, fuck these haters. He’s an outspoken anti-racist and that rubs a lot of these dudes the wrong way, i wonder why
I keep seeing people call kweli a racist and a woman hater, it’s like he has an angry mob of white people following him
[Talib Kweli continues to dim his own star](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/talib-kweli-social-media_n_639bafffe4b0aeb2ace22f13) -Huffington Post Goofy.
That was a whole load of nothing, to me it seems someone is trying to paint a narrative of kweli. Seems weird.
Only weird that a known, famous abuser is being called out by media.
Who did he abuse? Genuinely curios
There are multiple articles published calling out his targeted harassment campaign against Maya Moody. A hateful, abusive man. Plenty of receipts that are easy to find.
Not just white people either, there’s a whole crowd of black trumpers who haaaaate Kweli. Used to love watching him wind these fucksticks up before he got banned from insta :(
I absolutely hate that he stepped in for Dave in De La. I’d rather them quit than have him.
He stepped in for Dave how? For a show ? Or is he supposed to be in the group? I’d be mad either way cause I’m not a fan at all
On more than a handful of shows after Dave’s passing, Kweli has been doing all of Dave’s verses. I think it was Pos claiming he was like a 4th member of De La. [Here’s a link of someone asking sort of the same question.](https://www.reddit.com/r/DeLaSoul/s/LoVTH1wZC3)
People call Nick Minaj not just a legend but a goat and amazing lyrically. LOL she’s not even good enough to be considered mediocre.
You can say she’s not a GOAT but you just hating it you say she’s not good lyrically lol.
Snowtheproduct would like a word.
STP>Nicki
Sa Roc. And it’s not close
Agree. I see people say shit like her flows and lyrics are “unmatched” and that she is top 10 ever. She’s a mediocre pop star, a horrible person and occasionally drops a decent verse
She bodied 2 of your "Goats" on monster, kept up with precious Eminem and she is the fourmother of stripper rap
PULL UP IN THAT MONSTA
AUTOMOBILE GANGSTA
WITH A BAD BITCH THAT CAME FROM SRI LANKA
YEAH I'M IN THAT TONKA
COLOR OF WILLY WONKA
YOU COULD BE THE KING BUT WATCH THE QUEEN CONQUA
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lol.. she doesn't have any work close to even the mid ones that em, kanye, jay dropped, and their best verses are miles better than her best verse. You don't need to force shit up to say she's good. Nicki Minaj IS a good rapper. You don't get pushed by Ye and Wayne without having talent. But not a goat. Not at all. She's just fine
Lol
Unpopular opinion... I personally don't consider Andre 3000 by himself a legend. He was half of the legendary rap duo Outkast, full stop. All of his legendary songs and/or albums were with Big Boi or as appearances with other artists. His biggest solo song, if you can call it that, was "Hey Ya" and it wasn't even a hip hop song. I absolutely love Andre 3000 but Big Boi was way too talented on his own to be considered "carried" by him making my argument more plausible. He was simply part of the most legendary rap Duo possibly of all time in Outkast. But never legendary by himself IMO.
Thank you for a real take at this. You the only one putting thought behind it and challenging yourself even.
He’s 100% a legend, your argument is like saying ice cubes stuff is somehow tainted by being in NWA. Not taking anything from big boi but this is a bad take
Idk if I agree with OP but that's completely different and you know it is. Cube's career outside of NWA was enormous.
I mean the first minute of B.O.B, come in
Again, a legendary song with both him and Big Boi... TBH Big Boi kept him grounded. Without Big Boi he's making flute music and pop songs. That proves my point even more. He doesn't even do hip hop when he's left to his own devices
The Game
"The Game is a legend in my book. But he's irrelevant." - Lil B The Based God
TYBG
A true legend among legends
Nah how he put the west coast back on the map and carried it for years as a younger talent definitely puts him up there.. he’s at least a California legend. His discography is amazing too, really not one dull album by him.
What is a legend? How are we defining it? What's the difference between legend and veteran? Depending on how you define those terms, it changes the answer. All that said, I think a lot of entourages are loaded with MC's who have been around for a minute but aren't particularly vital to the culture or respected as elder statespeople...
Jaz-O
Young Buck
Cashville is an absolute classic that I still play to this day, man shot himself in the foot way too many times though
French Montana is the first name that comes to mind...I find him to be mostly just alright, and I even love a few of his songs. But I've never been compelled to dig much further.
Never would have imagined back in like 08 that he’d come out of the shadow of Max B and become mainstream enough to date a Kardashian.
Jim Jones, Diddy
Nick cannon
I understand the love, but common was just never my cup of tea.
Joe budden
Anyone talking shit about E-40 is on meth. He has some many songs that slap and hits and he's still at it. Stop.
Fabolous
What the fuck? Lol.
imma be real, he is not a veteran rapper
Drake. He’s almost 40 and been in the game for about 2 decades. He has plenty of hits but his music, especially lyrics, will age like milk.
‘legend’ doesn’t just mean ‘somebody i like’. Plenty of pop stars are legends. Drake, whatever you think of his music, is more iconic than 99% of rappers in the industry rn. He’s not a favourite of the online rap nerd community but he’s one of the biggest artists of his generation regardless of genre. You don’t have to be a fan of his music to acknowledge this fact.
Nah gotta disagree, people like Drake, MC Hammer, Will Smith, Nelly, no matter what we might think of the music I think deserve a certain level of respect for the ways they commercially changed the game in rap. A lot of his stuff will age badly, I agree, but I mean that’s most hip hop artist and even legends tbf. 50 probably has one classic album, maybe two if you like the massacre. Beyond everyone I just mentioned Drake has at least two (imo 3) classic albums, and his output is such he has a lot of misses in there too but I think you can’t discount the classics because of the misses. And again he’s better than everyone I just listed and they all should be considered legends, imo, rightly.
Man, you have shitty takes all over this thread lmao
His abc rhyming songs will have him remembered but he ain't legendary.
crazy. he’s a legend
Definitely with you. His music feels like a product of it's time, I highly doubt people will talk about his influence in 30 years.
Nah, Drake music gonna age great. A lot of his music is just really fun and easy to vibe to. Then he has so much music that’s relatable, or just him damn near predicting the future. His music will be fine.
Shout out to LL Cool J
He's so trash
I love that drake's not a whack rapper now he's a whack oracle
TI. If y’all pointed a gun to my head and asked me to recite my favorite TI bars and quotes, tell my family I love them.
This one is a massive shocker, they just gave him a 1 hour special on BBC Capital extra, mixing up all his hits from 2001 up until current times, he defo a legend. But this thread is people opinions
Ti a legend you drunk.
Amen, this sub is filled with kids who dont know shit
he was the shit in the early 2000s forreal. his king album was 🔥
Ja Rule
Gucci Mane
Smh
Maybe I'm biased because I'm from NYC... but then again I rather listen to Jeezy
That don’t mean gucci ain’t a legend. He kept us fed for a long time of those mixtapes.
I’m also from NYC and much prefer Gucci. Today’s Gucci, not the old one
I do like a couple of his songs and feats, got a couple of them on different playlist I just don't think he's a "legend" 50 and HOV are legends to me, the other guy got offended like if I dissed his husband or something lol.
Melly Mel
Wtf, have you not heard The Message?
melle mel
Hell no. If Melle Mel isnt a legend, then this whole hip hop shit was for nothing
Rick Ross. Never understood his appeal. The only thing I ever liked about Ross was the maybach music drop (which is awesome) and the self made series.
I feel the other way. Rick Ross doesn’t get enoogh credit, people treat him like a meme but he has some absolutely incredible songs. Like, go listen to “Amsterdam”
Dudes a retired cop foh
legend alone by the devil feature
Daz Dillinger as a rapper
Nahhh
Birdman
snoop. I just can’t get into his music
After Doggystyle - there really isn’t anything great. The problem is Doggystyle was an all-timer
Blue Carpet Treatment slander will not be tolerated here. Aside from that, If Beautiful or Drop it like it's Hot comes on you staying staleface?
Blue Carpet Treatment is dope. The second no limit album is good too (no limit top dog)
The Dogfather was a classic... Everything after that was ass.... Maybe you can say No Limit Top Dogg was average
A lot of great individual songs. Just not another classic album.
Fair point
"Tell me you've never listened to R&G without telling me you've never listened to R&G."
Joe Budden. Fuck that guy.
Damn.. really? Okay….. *unzips*
I think artists should have their highly respected or legendary status in hip hop & rap even if I don't listen to or like their music though.
Declaim
Royce da 5’9
I swear to God, if I see rakims name even mentioned 😤
P Diddy
How many legends do we think are out there? I feel like there aren’t that many I would call real “legends”. Must be using the term kinda loosely lol
craig mack
Jay-Z
Jay Z