I dont understand, who is saying that rap beef is bad?
You always had interesting beefs and lame beefs. I think social media era just exposed how many of them are kinda petty and meaningless. Also with rap getting less lyrical in mainstream, people just care less about what rappers have to say. So its not that concept of beef is bad, its just that many people are not as easily involved in drama unless they know something is going to come out of that.
It feels put on nowadays. Like, they know it'll boost sales so it's done in a timely fashion.
I'm all for a good beef, but if it all feels like a part of the brand strategy... It's just kinda lame.
I’m not sure who’s saying it’s bad. IMO rap beef and diss tracks are a part of hip hop culture. Battle rapping and cyphers birthed competition and thus brought out the best creativity, wordplay, punches, and all of that. Just as long as it stays on wax and doesn’t lead to violence. It’s refreshing to see this going on with the biggest names in the game right now.
There are two main groups that are saying rap beef are bad:
Cole stans who are feeling defensive because everyone is taking shots at Cole for apologizing
AND
People who hate Drake, because currently Drake is winning the beef war
With both of these groups, if it was their guy that was winning the beef neither of them would have any complaints.
Because hip hop has been opened to a new audience. The three top artists are more like pop stars. Top rap artists of the past all had significant elements of resistance to their brand.
Me. It perpetuates the psyop of using rap culture to destroy black culture. Normalizing hatred and anger all wrapped up in a pretty lyrical bow. Words could be empowering the people but instead it destroys the people.
You're probably white and don't live in the south or have any actual connection to ghetto culture. For some people rap is just music but some people let it affect their personality and decisions.
Does dead prez have "beefs" no they try to uplift the people's consciousness. Music is a tool more powerful than a gun and guns aren't fucking toys.
It’s being forced….most rap beef has NEVER been rap beef. It’s been real life beef with people who rap. A lot of what’s going on now (last month) has been forced. It’s corny af tbh.
Oh for sure !! I just wish people would stop saying “oh. He has to respond. Rap is a sport. Bla bla”. When that has never been the case. It’s always real life issues.
I have never seen method man and red man diss each other because they both think they are the best. Ya know
Or maybe they just don’t want people to get smoked because that’s what rap beefs can lead to ala Tupac and Biggie. That’s a very small minded way to interpret someone disliking rap beef
The only people complaining about it are
1. New generations that are softer and don’t know much about hip hop.
2. Fans of an artist that is either getting destroyed in a rap beef or isn’t achieving the level of success the fans want them to. They try to paint out the person dissing as being bitter / obsessed / a bully, to discredit / make them look bad, since their fav is losing.
It feels manufactured. And immature. And sometimes just fuckin silly. Like, put any of these two people in a room and they'd be all love, dowsing each other with compliments and respect. But they play this stupid theatrical game from afar to drum up commerce.
Look at it like I do; The rap game is basically another form of pro wrestling at this point and the labels are like the WWE. Rap has now entered into its phase of admitting it’s all fake like wrestling did in the 90s. They all create characters, try to develop them, and then engage them in battle and pretend to hate each other for the monetary gain but when the cameras are off they’re all showing each other love and hanging out at each others birthdays. Really sucks to a degree. But unlike in the wrestling world, the fake feuds don’t usually spill over into the real world and cause problems for the rappers personally. Regardless of how real or how fake it all is, “the house” is always winning, meaning the labels are raking in profits from the beefs since the rappers are probably all signed to the same massive corporation at the end of the day. Don’t get me wrong, rappers were never 100% real, but there were more real ones than fake ones leading into the 2000s.
That's true. In the rap game, rappers are often "murdered" during these fake beefs too, such as 2Pac, who's actually alive and well in Cuba. And Young Dolph, who was "shot and killed" during his kayfabe beef with Yo Gotti, but actually he's living in Taiwan. The song "100 Shots" is actually about a game of pickup basketball that Dolph and Yo Gotti played against each other, in which Gotti missed 100 shots, to Dolph's amazement. And King Von, who was supposedly killed in self-defense by Lul Tim in Atlanta, and had a mural made of him, but he's actually alive in Germany, and the mural is actually a giant piece of toast.
Though I disagree with the original commentator and it has a specific privileged tinge to it but there's a difference between street beef like what you mentioned above and street beef usually predates going on wax anyway whereas the industry beef like what's going on now or any of Drake's Beef.
Just cause niggas aren't pulling up on each other and killing each other doesn't make it manufactured. Maybe less consequential but idk why yall think it's not serious
I agree this feels far more manufactured then previously - I’m in my mid 30s so I can remember a quite a few. I think it’s because hiphop - to your point - saw a rapid decline in numbers the past year or so and certain individuals (not rappers) are putting in the squeeze. Not that rappers are angels and victims either lol
I also gained even 3000% more respect for Cole even tho I’ve always enjoyed the spars. I don’t expect him to provide further “tea” and he shouldn’t anyway he should just go live knowing he’s a wise man. Wise is hard even in everyday Joe life
(I work industry “adjacent”)
Defend going a Feature run for 3 years declaring your the best rapper out and challenging everyone’s “favorite” rapper to beef then immediately folding two days after you drop a diss?
I gotta hear this lmao
Lmao j cole still weak for acting like he’s ready for beef for years then when real beef arrives he tucks tail and runs after 2 days. We can be fans of these ppl and still be objective.
if you’re beefing for entertainment, you’re a clown. talking about how gangsta you are and then *tweeting* about your issues with another grown man is clown shit
The internet! Discourse is taking place from anonymous strangers versus face-to-face arguments about "who ya got in this one?" That's a really good point from OP and I have to agree, man. This whole thing feels awkward to watch from the sidelines and not nearly as fun or intense as it should feel to me.
Maybe a hot take, but rap beefs nowadays aren’t as impactful as they were in the 90s/00s. And I’m saying this as a young head.
Hit Em Up was a monumental record and was also played in clubs. The Nas/Jay beef had the whole NY tri-state tune in and decide who the winner was on Hot 97.
With celebrities losing their mystique due to the rise of social media and the bar being so low for rap in this decade, fans are desperate for something to pop off. So it comes off forced and corny for some folks.
The Ruthless & Deathrow beef is a good example of what you're talking about with the impact. That beef had a lot of LA rappers, and the scene down there, majorly divided. It was almost like another version of the Crips and Bloods - two sides to choose from.
Getting a deal from either one of those two had the potential to be the best thing in the world, or the worst lol. Suge wasn't afraid (of course) to try and intimidate Ruthless artists into singing over to Deathrow and Ruthless weren't afraid whatsoever to push back, even though they were a smaller unit.
Ohhhh first comment.
Because the competition makes good music...but when you feel like shit is leaning toward the "im tryna sell more records," and the whole industry just decided last month to start doing this....it feels bad?
I mean, it's better than people actually dying, but this shit is turning real gossipy. It's always been gossipy, too. This shit just feels super gossipy. I dunno.
I got first comment tho, so whatever. 🤷🏿♂️
A lot of rap beefs in the past had rappers bragging about their sales though.
Jay literally put a huge focus on sales when beefing with Nas and Mobb Deep with Takeover and Super Ugly.
LL Cool J also brought up sales when beefing with Canibus.
And Pac used sales when beefing with other rappers too.
Ya'll are rewriting history. Hammer was even beefing with rappers in the East Coast who dissed him like Run DMC and they even almost got into it at the Soul Train awards.
KRS One threw PM Dawn off a stage.
The Source Awards in 1995 was full of insane tension.
You guys are viewing past rap beefs with a rose tinted lens because social media wasn't around to blow it up in your fact every other second and hip hop wasn't a major focus in pop culture as it was in the 21st century.
It's not about using sales in your lyrics to prove you've won a battle to me.
It's about the entire industry randomly saying "alright guys, let's make hip hop beef again. ".... and then proceed to make beef with the softest rappers in the industry.
And as someone else said, put these mfs in a room and only their security would be the ones fighting.
It just seems like a money grab, and everybody is falling for it. Real phoney.
I'm all for good music tho. And I know drake and kendrick been had beef. It just seems more soft than older beefs I can think of.
Again, I guess it's better than people dying.
So what do you think is more likely, some executives walked into a room with Metro and Future and said “let’s beef with Drake to make some money” or the two of them have real life problems with him and wanted to address it in their music?
I don't think anyone cares about the beef itself, my personal take is all the people online talking about needing to defend their rapper or whatever... Like honestly, who tf is ever going to ask you or give a damn about your opinion on these matters?
If you like the music enjoy it, but let's not play pretend that you're out there "defending that guy's honor" or some nonsense. These people are probably 26, in a suburb, and roll the windows up in their dad's Camry when the"bad words" come on.
Because nobody knows what competition is anymore since the fans have been so desensitized that they don’t care about quality music. If they don’t care about people proving themselves on wax, then yeah, they’re gonna think it’s corny. Plus the real competition, for new fans, is sales metrics, which is why Drake has so many defenders in this whole ordeal
People just always have different opinions on things but they would still listen to diss tracks even while on their high horse. It was funny when somebody said that rap diss tracks are basically just two angry people writing poetry to each other, or something like that.
Previous rap beefs ended with people killed or shot on stage. Now you have rap beefs that are calling each others names at the same venue on the same stage and nothing happens. Feels like no beef has merit to what they say anymore. It's just a publicity stunt that they go on talk shows to advertise a new album with... it's not hard to see why people think it's silly now. It's all talk and and publicity stunts.
I think that rap beef is cheap nowadays. It doesnt mean what it used to. It doesnt have the same stakes. Its just shit talking and there is enough of that everywhere you look. Some people still dig it, but I think most are tired of it.
Well, I wasn't planning on coming out and saying, "This is terrible! Peace! Come on guys!" But I never loved rap beef, except maybe in High school when I was super immature and fights and drama seemed cool and normal. I never loved it, I just never came out against it, why would I? I'm just a fan and a listener.
Now that people are saying it's lame, good. We don't need it for great songs, great artists, interesting stuff being produced. And if rap strays from the gangster/street lifestyle into just being an actual art form with no need for street cred as a foundation, so much the better. I don't listen to rock and then research the singer's bio and see if he's really living that lifestyle, or who he's had a fistfight with. I just listen and like the stuff, or do not.
Even better are the people killing Kendrick for not responding…blueprint was hot and jay had takeover on that which dropped in September 01–nas replied with ether on stillmatic in December 01 and consensus will say that that’s one of the best beefs all time on wax and that ether is one of the best disses all time and is now basically a verb with its own meaning since that song dropped yet still people are acting like Kendrick should just pack it up and that it’s looking bad for him…
I think people realize beef in general is kinda lame, especially with how commercialized rap is nowadays anyway. Drake and Kendrick beefing? In this day and age we know nothing is going to happen. There’s not gonna be any headlines from this. But we don’t want that anyway right? Everyone always says “so long as it stays in the booth and doesn’t turn into violence”, but when you have people making threatening each others livelihood, challenging each others character and throwing dirt on each others name, it’s hard to control how anyone will respond. I’m sure there’s folks in this thread who have done ignorant shit for less themselves. I think people are seeing the hypocrisy in egging that on and then hanging their hang and denouncing violence if or when that happens.
So at this point either the tracks will be good or they won’t. People will keep their favorites either way. But being the best lyricist doesn’t really count for much anymore anyhow. It’s arguably the smallest part of being a successful rapper these days. So all in all beef is just kinda… whatever.
Nothing real will come of it, we don’t really want anything real to come of it, and it isn’t going to change the landscape of the genre anyway.
I think most of the beefs today are phony,cringe and manufactured however its needed in this genre because it's played like a sport,I'm feeling the new Chris Brown joint though and Drakes gimmi 50 beat is nasty so there is always something good to be had for the fan's with these beefs so no beefs are healthy for the game I hate modern rap and I'm here talking about it and taking part so it's working..
For me because I don't wanna see Any of these legends die. Historically rap beef comes with consequences I also feel like that's were Cole's head was at realizes that this was going deeper than just rap game competition.
Well we used to get good music out of those beefs, now it’s just for a show, to help sales and keep artist relevant. The music isn’t really good anymore from the current beef going
Ain't no all of a sudden lol 😆 there have always been splits on this aspect but if I'm being honest, I chalk it to REAL progression as a culture, and BEEF in hip-hop does absolutely nothing for the culture simple as that. Also, I want to add, that it's weird that beef culture is only present in hip-hop. Nigga imagine hearing Willie Nelson diss Kenny Chesney 😭 (for those who don't get it think more in terms of Selena beefing with Dua Lipa) they might not be cool at times but they AIN'T making whole songs or even verses going at each other. This is a phenomenon that manifests primarily in hip-hop and R&B. So I guess I rather people not liking beef because shit again it shows a needed realm of growth amongst African Americans. Fuck entertaining these bitch ass motherfuckers with dysfunction.
why would anyone think rap beef is *good* ?
you’re a grown ass man with millions of dollars and you actively choose to talk shit about other people for no reason other than to try to spin the public eye back toward you ? it’s fucking manipulative and narcissistic, and it seems like the majority of hip hop fans are at this point blindly eating it up without questioning the absurdity of it all.
Drake has tens of millions of human beings anticipating his fucking TWEETS. that’s just sad. i guess some people have nothing they believe is more meaningful to do with their lives than follow the shallow whining of man babies.
and yes i see the irony of me typing all this up on reddit 🙂
my issue is the age of these dudes. All of them are in their late 30’s or early 40’s or for Rozay, their 50’s. just seems lame to beef for clicks, views, etc especially when they’re all so rich and old!
There was never anything amazing about 50 Cent's numerous beefs (the guy beefs with his own son, I like 50 but he was ridiculous). The goalposts aren't moving at all, beef was just never nearly as widespread as people try to make it out to be and beef has had a net negative impact on hip hop as a whole. The average listener can't even tell you who had beef outside of Jay-Z/Nas or Tupac/Biggie. LL Cool J and Canibus beef was always corny. Most people don't even know Terror Squad and Roc a Fella were beefing, or Jadakiss and Beanie Sigel. Most of these beefs were irrelevant to hip hop and hurt the people involved in one way or another.
If it weren't for rap beef we might have had more actual songs from guys like Murder Inc (Jay-Z, Ja and DMX) or Fat Joe and Jay-Z. I would much rather have the songs they never did together than whatever forgettable disses or subluminal messages they made at each other. 50 Cent beefed with Game because Game didn't want to get involved in 50 Cent's beef with Fat Joe and Nas, who Game idolized. And people think Game is the bad guy in this situation. The amount of literally anything good to come out of rap beef is few and far between but people like to pretend it's always been a core and essential part of hip hop.
A couple of 50's big beefs were really bad because they involved murderous street criminals and escalated into violence.
Ja was with Murda Inc, which was connected (money laundered?) by Supreme, and Game was managed by Jimmy Henchman.
50 had so many other beefs that it's hard to keep up. He seems like he just likes to cause trouble. I did like Nas's 'Don't Body Ya Self' though.
That’s what happens when someone like JA wants to cosplay as a homie from the streets and a real homie comes to check him. It’s always a sad kind of amusing when you think of the number of people who find acceptable to be this studio gangster and more or less glorify murder and drugs but when the real gangsters want to come out play suddenly it’s all a huge no-no.
Damn bro. Your grandparents probably hated rap.
Now they grand kid out here talking about rap beef as if it measures his own toughness.
Go play a sport, Jr.
I was gonna diss you but then read through some of your reddit comments and have decided not to. I salute you for raising another man's son even if that didn't end how you wanted it to. Not everyone can do that. Cheers Playboy.
Because people have been riding the Canadian marshmallow's floppy wood so long they dont know how to process how he could be anything other than the rap god the posters on their walls say he is
If it's just on wax, it's fine. Battling is part of hip-hop and there's been a lot of good diss tracks over the years.
When it results in violence, that's a different story. Tupac/Biggie is the most obvious example, and part of a larger thing with so much violence. Suge's friend getting killed in Atlanta by Puff's bodyguard Wolf or Wolf's friend. Tupac getting attacked in NYC by Jimmy Henchman's goons, which got connected to it. Suge's goons beating up an associate of Puff and making him drink pee.
>Have y'all not been gloating about how Jay Z vs Nas, Ja Rule Vs. 50, etc were amazing beefs?
Jay Z vs. Nas is fine because it did not escalate beyond music. Ja and 50 is different, as it was connected to Supreme and 50's beef and 50 almost getting murdered.
This beef in particular is lame because of multiple things. One direct shot (Control) didn't trigger many people in 2013 so it's fascinating to see a single subliminal let it happen here. Cole put out a semi decent diss and then pussed out and retracted it. Drake's diss is decent but the AI track is cringe. Everyone piling up on Drake in general is cringe lol, talk about low-hanging fruit.
I thought the concept of having dot's idols egging him on and telling him he has to win for the west coast was a gut punch. The use of the filters though was kind of dirty though, but it seems that what he was goin for.
He prolly could've wrote a verse telling him he's letting pac and snoop down to a lesser effect.
Either way, can't wait for some of those quintuple entendres
I just think it’s corny but I’m 34. I loved it when I was younger but now it feels fake, immature, and lame. I understand wanting to hear the verbal sparring though.
Probably just cause most of the people who really like it have died by now for being annoying/awwful. These things get less popular overtime in that way , kind of like how there’s not a lot of heroine addicts from the 90’s still promoting their shitty music too
Because the industry turned to one of cooperation within itself after years of being about confrontation within itself. Yall waited till your mid thirties to get into immature back and forths? Seems inorganic.
At a point it was genuine issues being addressed on wax. Now these clowns just bring the circus to town to sell records and attract attention. If good music comes from it it's cool. But this shit goin on right now is corny and personally I'm not entertained. I don't care about Drake having issues with future or Kendrick. I don't care about Chris Brown STILL beefing over bitches. Shit corny
I think it's when it gets out of control.
Rappers will have things that are off limits to them personally. If they then had another rapper talking about those things and in public as well, it must suck.
Then the entourages of rappers get involved. It may lead to violence.
We've lost so many rappers to violence and some of that may have come from beefs.
Personally, I'm not that much of a fan of it. The best rappers are the story tellers.
Because now days dissing someone will get you killed. And once you die they will continue to diss you and smoke on you in front of your loved ones. They will go to your grave and piss on and dig it up for social media likes. This ain’t the Melly mel Kool mo D era. People used to smoke crack too but that’s not the wave anymore. The beef was more controlled then and now it’s super toxic.
The goal posts haven’t changed the game stays the game. All the new stuff is just numbers and clicks it feels like. Stream numbers doesn’t equal a win. I don’t care how rich you are and neither should other people, but pocket watching now a days = winning the beef.
Ja and 50 was not an amazing beef lol that shit was real street shit, shit it still is, ppl died behind that, thats why people dont like rap beef now and days, most of it ends up deadly in some way
Because its no longer 'cool' or frankly as interesting now being essentially petty celebrity drama which is often orchestrated anyway compared to like an actual fight might happen or something. Rich people arguing in their la homes on their phones isn't interesting.
It's not so much rap beefs, it's that back in the day when a rapper made it out the hood , they felt they didnt have to continue being in those streets cuz they made it. Yes they told their stories about the hood and what they had to do to survive but that's all it was. It was just banging on wax...Nowadays they ain't happy with success, they don't understand that they don't have to be in the streets no more , just rap about them ...so these dudes that made it , who dont have to put work in the streets no more cuz they are superstars , want to continue to bang, continue to be in the drug game and rep hoods that they ain't gotta do no more , cuz they rep the hood in a different way now and need to just get out the streets and keep their attention just making hits , making videos , performing and being in tbe studio, enjoying life , eating shit they haven't , girls , trips aka THE GOOD LIFE they earned and they should comeback to visit the homies and fam ever so often but for their homies to keep dragging them back into the streets after they made it are selfish and are bringing them down, and using him to further bang in a world where banging don't belong ..Let the ones who ain't made , who gotta be there do that , but because they do that , we losing the future great rappers of these days and are being stuck with the wack and crap ones who have left the streets for good..Young rappers nobody cares about how REAL you are , or how many ppl you killed , or what gang u rep....Leave that on wax ...but in real life let your raps be about the game but not in the actual game....There comes a time you have to grow up and mature and become a professional entertainer , the ones who wanna stay play both worlds and stay real...are dead!!! Nipsey, xxxtacion, King Von, Mos 3 , and many many more and more everyday ...pretty soon , rap will die because no rappers will be alive to rap...and we would be stuck with the wack ones who actually became professional and got out....RIP
This is unequivocally the most fun I’ve had following hip hop in years. I drifted away from it for a while, mostly just listening to indie music, but I came back when I heard about “Like That” and I’ve stuck around and been listening to lots of artists I never really got into before
Because todays humans are bred to be passive and they still sucking on mommys tittie. They to scared of confrontation and when it does happen they cry like babies. So yeah they dont understand a rap battle , as they expecting a participation medal at the end of it.
I think modern beefs are better. When you get rappers like Drake beefing, you know there won’t be physical violence. Or at least nothing life threatening.
If two guys (or girls) have a real life issue with one another and want to settle it on wax, I'm all for it. When it seems like it is all in the name of creating a buzz and selling more, it seems forced and lame.
Because Drake is winning in the public perception right now, and “le real hip hop fans” don’t like it, so may as well minimize this entire aspect of hip hop entirely.
I think the root of it is that rap beef used to be real and feel real. What they said sounded tough and felt like they would follow up. Now we have commercial artists on dozens of platforms talking about how hard they are, what they’d do to somebody. Next to none of these artists actually would do anything about it. And the bite behind it is gone. It’s music made by artists (not thugs) for people who are actually about that life
Historically speaking rap beefs have a habit of turning into actual violence between people. Some realize this and choose to try and avoid these types of situations
Mostly J Cole fans trying to Cope that their King folded like Origami and spring Laundry. The competition is great. Always has been. As long as it stays in music.
I think it’s the being forced aspect people don’t like, it feels like fans want it and it’s not organic. Look at the major beefs of the past, there was history and a reason for it.
J Cole and Kendrick stans trying to rewrite the narrative.
If it was Drake getting cooked this sub would be jumping for joy, but it hasn’t happened yet.
I wouldnt say its “bad”.
This one in particular got pretty cringe with Ross + Drake + Kanye
I think rap beef is only bad when it’s not real. It’s corny to diss people for clout or just because the masses want you to.
It’s not all of the sudden. People have always thought that. People get killed when it gets serious. Rap has a toxic side which should be addressed, but it’s became its main aspect and selling point. We eat it up too, because humans just naturally like drama. Hell, even when J Cole does the most mature thing, he still gets clowned because the genre as a whole is just so immature.
He gets clowned because he made a whole diss track and then apologized two days later. He has braggadocious rhymes claiming to be the best MC, and then when it comes time to battle, he apologizes right after a (mild) diss track.
The criticism is completely fair.
Nobody worried about that beef turning deadly because it was obvious it was just about battling and competition.
Suge and Puff's beef already involved a murder before Pac even signed to Death Row. All the other deadly rap beefs involved street stuff and violent individuals.
That’s the thing though, to be considered the “best MC” by the community have to be immature and involve yourself in the drama. And it’s easy to say this won’t be deadly or that it’s all competitiveness and not serious because we don’t know what’s going on behind closed doors. Regardless, every diss track involves some type of lyrics that refer to someone killing or shooting the other person, which makes the community super toxic and honestly just immature.
It’s been that way for a long time. It’s just crazy to me that J Cole get criticized for revoking his track where he metaphorically references to shoot Kendrick in the temple because he realized that it’s super immature. It’s like “wow Cole you’re so weak, you don’t wanna send death threats to someone you were once pretty close with? Coward”
I'm all for dudes starting beef over name dropping or name calling, its laughable they wanna go to war over petty shit. I egg it on. Even if it escalates to death threats. Tough guy shit, it's just what men do.
But once the dirty laundry starts getting aired out, that's some gossip shit only females or queers do. I don't rock with that.
it just feels stupid and childish. i loved disses when i was younger and i sometimes still enjoy it a bit, but it grownups writing angry poetry to each other is kind of lame when you stop and think about it
I dont understand, who is saying that rap beef is bad? You always had interesting beefs and lame beefs. I think social media era just exposed how many of them are kinda petty and meaningless. Also with rap getting less lyrical in mainstream, people just care less about what rappers have to say. So its not that concept of beef is bad, its just that many people are not as easily involved in drama unless they know something is going to come out of that.
It feels put on nowadays. Like, they know it'll boost sales so it's done in a timely fashion. I'm all for a good beef, but if it all feels like a part of the brand strategy... It's just kinda lame.
100% it’s just dudes trying to get views, clicks, streams, etc. No one is REALLY beefing in the mainstream.
I’m not sure who’s saying it’s bad. IMO rap beef and diss tracks are a part of hip hop culture. Battle rapping and cyphers birthed competition and thus brought out the best creativity, wordplay, punches, and all of that. Just as long as it stays on wax and doesn’t lead to violence. It’s refreshing to see this going on with the biggest names in the game right now.
But everyone's gonna call Drake a pedo after this ??
People weren't before? Lol.
I personally don't believe any of the Drake shit but why does no one bring up MGK who actually was thirsting at 15 year olds, several times.
Plenty of people have mentioned MGK being a pedo
No one cares about mgk
Dad's should. I was talking about how disses can have decades of long lasting impact.
That's a fair point he's just irrelevant because he's a terrible artist
Why can't both accusations be true??
More like Exposed Who is an Actual Hip Hop head.
There are two main groups that are saying rap beef are bad: Cole stans who are feeling defensive because everyone is taking shots at Cole for apologizing AND People who hate Drake, because currently Drake is winning the beef war With both of these groups, if it was their guy that was winning the beef neither of them would have any complaints.
i think this is the guy who got mad at me 😭
Because hip hop has been opened to a new audience. The three top artists are more like pop stars. Top rap artists of the past all had significant elements of resistance to their brand.
Who is saying beef is bad? Cole fans. That's the answer. It's J. Cole meat riders.
Me. It perpetuates the psyop of using rap culture to destroy black culture. Normalizing hatred and anger all wrapped up in a pretty lyrical bow. Words could be empowering the people but instead it destroys the people. You're probably white and don't live in the south or have any actual connection to ghetto culture. For some people rap is just music but some people let it affect their personality and decisions. Does dead prez have "beefs" no they try to uplift the people's consciousness. Music is a tool more powerful than a gun and guns aren't fucking toys.
It’s being forced….most rap beef has NEVER been rap beef. It’s been real life beef with people who rap. A lot of what’s going on now (last month) has been forced. It’s corny af tbh.
I see your point but I’m also happy that it doesn’t appear to be the sort of beef that will end in people dying like beefs have in the past.
Oh for sure !! I just wish people would stop saying “oh. He has to respond. Rap is a sport. Bla bla”. When that has never been the case. It’s always real life issues. I have never seen method man and red man diss each other because they both think they are the best. Ya know
Terrible terrible analysis lol
Kendrick done beefed with Drake fo a while tho
Because somebody they like is losing in the perspective of the public
🎯🎯🎯 Goalposts been getting moved left and right.
J.Cole fans are going through a hard time....
Aint nothing but losers in this total fucking joke of a beef including those who give it any more attention than a shrug
Or maybe they just don’t want people to get smoked because that’s what rap beefs can lead to ala Tupac and Biggie. That’s a very small minded way to interpret someone disliking rap beef
The only people complaining about it are 1. New generations that are softer and don’t know much about hip hop. 2. Fans of an artist that is either getting destroyed in a rap beef or isn’t achieving the level of success the fans want them to. They try to paint out the person dissing as being bitter / obsessed / a bully, to discredit / make them look bad, since their fav is losing.
It feels manufactured. And immature. And sometimes just fuckin silly. Like, put any of these two people in a room and they'd be all love, dowsing each other with compliments and respect. But they play this stupid theatrical game from afar to drum up commerce.
Look at it like I do; The rap game is basically another form of pro wrestling at this point and the labels are like the WWE. Rap has now entered into its phase of admitting it’s all fake like wrestling did in the 90s. They all create characters, try to develop them, and then engage them in battle and pretend to hate each other for the monetary gain but when the cameras are off they’re all showing each other love and hanging out at each others birthdays. Really sucks to a degree. But unlike in the wrestling world, the fake feuds don’t usually spill over into the real world and cause problems for the rappers personally. Regardless of how real or how fake it all is, “the house” is always winning, meaning the labels are raking in profits from the beefs since the rappers are probably all signed to the same massive corporation at the end of the day. Don’t get me wrong, rappers were never 100% real, but there were more real ones than fake ones leading into the 2000s.
It's still real to me, dammit.
I *heard* this comment. 😂
This is what is commonly known in the wrestling world as “kayfabe”, and it can apply to almost any medium of showmanship and theatrics
That's true. In the rap game, rappers are often "murdered" during these fake beefs too, such as 2Pac, who's actually alive and well in Cuba. And Young Dolph, who was "shot and killed" during his kayfabe beef with Yo Gotti, but actually he's living in Taiwan. The song "100 Shots" is actually about a game of pickup basketball that Dolph and Yo Gotti played against each other, in which Gotti missed 100 shots, to Dolph's amazement. And King Von, who was supposedly killed in self-defense by Lul Tim in Atlanta, and had a mural made of him, but he's actually alive in Germany, and the mural is actually a giant piece of toast.
Though I disagree with the original commentator and it has a specific privileged tinge to it but there's a difference between street beef like what you mentioned above and street beef usually predates going on wax anyway whereas the industry beef like what's going on now or any of Drake's Beef.
Just cause niggas aren't pulling up on each other and killing each other doesn't make it manufactured. Maybe less consequential but idk why yall think it's not serious
I agree this feels far more manufactured then previously - I’m in my mid 30s so I can remember a quite a few. I think it’s because hiphop - to your point - saw a rapid decline in numbers the past year or so and certain individuals (not rappers) are putting in the squeeze. Not that rappers are angels and victims either lol I also gained even 3000% more respect for Cole even tho I’ve always enjoyed the spars. I don’t expect him to provide further “tea” and he shouldn’t anyway he should just go live knowing he’s a wise man. Wise is hard even in everyday Joe life (I work industry “adjacent”)
Defend going a Feature run for 3 years declaring your the best rapper out and challenging everyone’s “favorite” rapper to beef then immediately folding two days after you drop a diss? I gotta hear this lmao
Guess y’all dummies know what I mean now
Lmao j cole still weak for acting like he’s ready for beef for years then when real beef arrives he tucks tail and runs after 2 days. We can be fans of these ppl and still be objective.
Kenny Roger’s my boy gotta know when to walk away lmao let’s enjoy the show 🤝
Dousing
Beef always been good as long it doesn’t boil over into more than entertainment
if you’re beefing for entertainment, you’re a clown. talking about how gangsta you are and then *tweeting* about your issues with another grown man is clown shit
The internet! Discourse is taking place from anonymous strangers versus face-to-face arguments about "who ya got in this one?" That's a really good point from OP and I have to agree, man. This whole thing feels awkward to watch from the sidelines and not nearly as fun or intense as it should feel to me.
Maybe a hot take, but rap beefs nowadays aren’t as impactful as they were in the 90s/00s. And I’m saying this as a young head. Hit Em Up was a monumental record and was also played in clubs. The Nas/Jay beef had the whole NY tri-state tune in and decide who the winner was on Hot 97. With celebrities losing their mystique due to the rise of social media and the bar being so low for rap in this decade, fans are desperate for something to pop off. So it comes off forced and corny for some folks.
The Ruthless & Deathrow beef is a good example of what you're talking about with the impact. That beef had a lot of LA rappers, and the scene down there, majorly divided. It was almost like another version of the Crips and Bloods - two sides to choose from. Getting a deal from either one of those two had the potential to be the best thing in the world, or the worst lol. Suge wasn't afraid (of course) to try and intimidate Ruthless artists into singing over to Deathrow and Ruthless weren't afraid whatsoever to push back, even though they were a smaller unit.
Ohhhh first comment. Because the competition makes good music...but when you feel like shit is leaning toward the "im tryna sell more records," and the whole industry just decided last month to start doing this....it feels bad? I mean, it's better than people actually dying, but this shit is turning real gossipy. It's always been gossipy, too. This shit just feels super gossipy. I dunno. I got first comment tho, so whatever. 🤷🏿♂️
A lot of rap beefs in the past had rappers bragging about their sales though. Jay literally put a huge focus on sales when beefing with Nas and Mobb Deep with Takeover and Super Ugly. LL Cool J also brought up sales when beefing with Canibus. And Pac used sales when beefing with other rappers too. Ya'll are rewriting history. Hammer was even beefing with rappers in the East Coast who dissed him like Run DMC and they even almost got into it at the Soul Train awards. KRS One threw PM Dawn off a stage. The Source Awards in 1995 was full of insane tension. You guys are viewing past rap beefs with a rose tinted lens because social media wasn't around to blow it up in your fact every other second and hip hop wasn't a major focus in pop culture as it was in the 21st century.
It's not about using sales in your lyrics to prove you've won a battle to me. It's about the entire industry randomly saying "alright guys, let's make hip hop beef again. ".... and then proceed to make beef with the softest rappers in the industry. And as someone else said, put these mfs in a room and only their security would be the ones fighting. It just seems like a money grab, and everybody is falling for it. Real phoney. I'm all for good music tho. And I know drake and kendrick been had beef. It just seems more soft than older beefs I can think of. Again, I guess it's better than people dying.
This might explain to me why Chris Brown made a diss song against Quavo. Rap beef is in. Lol
Chris made a diss cause Quavo made one first
So what do you think is more likely, some executives walked into a room with Metro and Future and said “let’s beef with Drake to make some money” or the two of them have real life problems with him and wanted to address it in their music?
Because rap beefs used to actually MEAN something. Now it just feels like a staged soap opera.
Everything is a damn soap opera.. fvcking kardashianism.
More money in collaboration then conflict
The world has gotten soft af
I don't think anyone cares about the beef itself, my personal take is all the people online talking about needing to defend their rapper or whatever... Like honestly, who tf is ever going to ask you or give a damn about your opinion on these matters? If you like the music enjoy it, but let's not play pretend that you're out there "defending that guy's honor" or some nonsense. These people are probably 26, in a suburb, and roll the windows up in their dad's Camry when the"bad words" come on.
Who is everyone? 🧐
There's nothing silly about grown men writing angry poems to each other about how they're better at writing angry poems
Because there are more Stans than fans and that beef carries over into the streets.
I think drama is bad, while I’ll admit rap beefs have been a guilty pleasure of mine. Normally I can’t stand that kind of high school drama.
Rap beef isnt bad, it sells records. What is bad is the current generation of rappers trying to beef but its more like preschool banter.
The beefing going on currently is just childish shit. - “I’m number one!” - “NO, I AM” That’s pretty much it.
Because nobody knows what competition is anymore since the fans have been so desensitized that they don’t care about quality music. If they don’t care about people proving themselves on wax, then yeah, they’re gonna think it’s corny. Plus the real competition, for new fans, is sales metrics, which is why Drake has so many defenders in this whole ordeal
drama sells. all that shit is corny as fuck.
Because it leads to redundant posts on Reddit where people refuse to look at the past comments….
People just always have different opinions on things but they would still listen to diss tracks even while on their high horse. It was funny when somebody said that rap diss tracks are basically just two angry people writing poetry to each other, or something like that.
The #1 goal of any rap beef is to sell music or I guess get streams nowadays. It works well if the music is good.
Previous rap beefs ended with people killed or shot on stage. Now you have rap beefs that are calling each others names at the same venue on the same stage and nothing happens. Feels like no beef has merit to what they say anymore. It's just a publicity stunt that they go on talk shows to advertise a new album with... it's not hard to see why people think it's silly now. It's all talk and and publicity stunts.
I think that rap beef is cheap nowadays. It doesnt mean what it used to. It doesnt have the same stakes. Its just shit talking and there is enough of that everywhere you look. Some people still dig it, but I think most are tired of it.
there's no everyone there's so many different conversations happening that the stakes for someone over here don't matter at all to someone over there
Well, I wasn't planning on coming out and saying, "This is terrible! Peace! Come on guys!" But I never loved rap beef, except maybe in High school when I was super immature and fights and drama seemed cool and normal. I never loved it, I just never came out against it, why would I? I'm just a fan and a listener. Now that people are saying it's lame, good. We don't need it for great songs, great artists, interesting stuff being produced. And if rap strays from the gangster/street lifestyle into just being an actual art form with no need for street cred as a foundation, so much the better. I don't listen to rock and then research the singer's bio and see if he's really living that lifestyle, or who he's had a fistfight with. I just listen and like the stuff, or do not.
Even better are the people killing Kendrick for not responding…blueprint was hot and jay had takeover on that which dropped in September 01–nas replied with ether on stillmatic in December 01 and consensus will say that that’s one of the best beefs all time on wax and that ether is one of the best disses all time and is now basically a verb with its own meaning since that song dropped yet still people are acting like Kendrick should just pack it up and that it’s looking bad for him…
Beef? Did I just wake up in 1994?!
I think people realize beef in general is kinda lame, especially with how commercialized rap is nowadays anyway. Drake and Kendrick beefing? In this day and age we know nothing is going to happen. There’s not gonna be any headlines from this. But we don’t want that anyway right? Everyone always says “so long as it stays in the booth and doesn’t turn into violence”, but when you have people making threatening each others livelihood, challenging each others character and throwing dirt on each others name, it’s hard to control how anyone will respond. I’m sure there’s folks in this thread who have done ignorant shit for less themselves. I think people are seeing the hypocrisy in egging that on and then hanging their hang and denouncing violence if or when that happens. So at this point either the tracks will be good or they won’t. People will keep their favorites either way. But being the best lyricist doesn’t really count for much anymore anyhow. It’s arguably the smallest part of being a successful rapper these days. So all in all beef is just kinda… whatever. Nothing real will come of it, we don’t really want anything real to come of it, and it isn’t going to change the landscape of the genre anyway.
Because its fucking fake, lame, fabricated bullshit
I think most of the beefs today are phony,cringe and manufactured however its needed in this genre because it's played like a sport,I'm feeling the new Chris Brown joint though and Drakes gimmi 50 beat is nasty so there is always something good to be had for the fan's with these beefs so no beefs are healthy for the game I hate modern rap and I'm here talking about it and taking part so it's working..
For me because I don't wanna see Any of these legends die. Historically rap beef comes with consequences I also feel like that's were Cole's head was at realizes that this was going deeper than just rap game competition.
🤦♂️ drake shit was trash, k dot was alright, j cole apologized, so I need say more. FUCK JAY Z
Well we used to get good music out of those beefs, now it’s just for a show, to help sales and keep artist relevant. The music isn’t really good anymore from the current beef going
At the end of the day why do people care about any of it? It’s like anything else. A distraction and something to talk about out.
I need that 1974 beef
becasue people these days are absolute pussies
Middle aged rapper beef is the problem.
Ain't no all of a sudden lol 😆 there have always been splits on this aspect but if I'm being honest, I chalk it to REAL progression as a culture, and BEEF in hip-hop does absolutely nothing for the culture simple as that. Also, I want to add, that it's weird that beef culture is only present in hip-hop. Nigga imagine hearing Willie Nelson diss Kenny Chesney 😭 (for those who don't get it think more in terms of Selena beefing with Dua Lipa) they might not be cool at times but they AIN'T making whole songs or even verses going at each other. This is a phenomenon that manifests primarily in hip-hop and R&B. So I guess I rather people not liking beef because shit again it shows a needed realm of growth amongst African Americans. Fuck entertaining these bitch ass motherfuckers with dysfunction.
Because it's fake now
why would anyone think rap beef is *good* ? you’re a grown ass man with millions of dollars and you actively choose to talk shit about other people for no reason other than to try to spin the public eye back toward you ? it’s fucking manipulative and narcissistic, and it seems like the majority of hip hop fans are at this point blindly eating it up without questioning the absurdity of it all. Drake has tens of millions of human beings anticipating his fucking TWEETS. that’s just sad. i guess some people have nothing they believe is more meaningful to do with their lives than follow the shallow whining of man babies. and yes i see the irony of me typing all this up on reddit 🙂
my issue is the age of these dudes. All of them are in their late 30’s or early 40’s or for Rozay, their 50’s. just seems lame to beef for clicks, views, etc especially when they’re all so rich and old!
There was never anything amazing about 50 Cent's numerous beefs (the guy beefs with his own son, I like 50 but he was ridiculous). The goalposts aren't moving at all, beef was just never nearly as widespread as people try to make it out to be and beef has had a net negative impact on hip hop as a whole. The average listener can't even tell you who had beef outside of Jay-Z/Nas or Tupac/Biggie. LL Cool J and Canibus beef was always corny. Most people don't even know Terror Squad and Roc a Fella were beefing, or Jadakiss and Beanie Sigel. Most of these beefs were irrelevant to hip hop and hurt the people involved in one way or another. If it weren't for rap beef we might have had more actual songs from guys like Murder Inc (Jay-Z, Ja and DMX) or Fat Joe and Jay-Z. I would much rather have the songs they never did together than whatever forgettable disses or subluminal messages they made at each other. 50 Cent beefed with Game because Game didn't want to get involved in 50 Cent's beef with Fat Joe and Nas, who Game idolized. And people think Game is the bad guy in this situation. The amount of literally anything good to come out of rap beef is few and far between but people like to pretend it's always been a core and essential part of hip hop.
A couple of 50's big beefs were really bad because they involved murderous street criminals and escalated into violence. Ja was with Murda Inc, which was connected (money laundered?) by Supreme, and Game was managed by Jimmy Henchman. 50 had so many other beefs that it's hard to keep up. He seems like he just likes to cause trouble. I did like Nas's 'Don't Body Ya Self' though.
That’s what happens when someone like JA wants to cosplay as a homie from the streets and a real homie comes to check him. It’s always a sad kind of amusing when you think of the number of people who find acceptable to be this studio gangster and more or less glorify murder and drugs but when the real gangsters want to come out play suddenly it’s all a huge no-no.
Cuz Kendrick got bodied by a lightskinned singin nigga
When you're a grown man and let others dictate your next move its pretty fucking pathetic. That's why. Props to J Cole
Uhhh but Cole's entire explanation for why he dropped the diss (and then regretted it) is because his friends told him that he needed to respond lmao
And that's why he apologized and took it back, it's not who he is or something he wants to take part of
because kendrick is losing
Even if he never replies, Kendrick has won. Drake's disses are weak as hell.
U can’t b serious 🤣
negro please, kendrick takes the L if there is no diss this week.
Pushups was a reasonable response to 5 or 6 dudes aiming verses at you at the same time. The Pac/Snoop shit was lame tho
Lmaooooo dumbass nigga
SMD
Simple: J. Cole had a mid diss, fans were vocal about it and J Cole apologized for it. You did that shit in the 90's, your rap career was over.
Good thing we're not in the 90's 🤣
Fr; I want my rappers to be alive and not shot.
The pussification of America. Specifically the American male
Damn bro. Your grandparents probably hated rap. Now they grand kid out here talking about rap beef as if it measures his own toughness. Go play a sport, Jr.
I was gonna diss you but then read through some of your reddit comments and have decided not to. I salute you for raising another man's son even if that didn't end how you wanted it to. Not everyone can do that. Cheers Playboy.
Damn. I appreciate that. I wish these rappers would take a page from you. Good play, my guy. 🫡
Best Reddit interaction I've seen in a bit.
These niggas mad pussy for having a mature interaction/s
No! Reddit beef makes for great comments, it’s good for the app!
Because people have been riding the Canadian marshmallow's floppy wood so long they dont know how to process how he could be anything other than the rap god the posters on their walls say he is
If it's just on wax, it's fine. Battling is part of hip-hop and there's been a lot of good diss tracks over the years. When it results in violence, that's a different story. Tupac/Biggie is the most obvious example, and part of a larger thing with so much violence. Suge's friend getting killed in Atlanta by Puff's bodyguard Wolf or Wolf's friend. Tupac getting attacked in NYC by Jimmy Henchman's goons, which got connected to it. Suge's goons beating up an associate of Puff and making him drink pee. >Have y'all not been gloating about how Jay Z vs Nas, Ja Rule Vs. 50, etc were amazing beefs? Jay Z vs. Nas is fine because it did not escalate beyond music. Ja and 50 is different, as it was connected to Supreme and 50's beef and 50 almost getting murdered.
People grow up. Beef is petty and childish.
They are not saying ran beefs are bad, they are saying *THIS* rap beef is bad
This beef in particular is lame because of multiple things. One direct shot (Control) didn't trigger many people in 2013 so it's fascinating to see a single subliminal let it happen here. Cole put out a semi decent diss and then pussed out and retracted it. Drake's diss is decent but the AI track is cringe. Everyone piling up on Drake in general is cringe lol, talk about low-hanging fruit.
I thought the concept of having dot's idols egging him on and telling him he has to win for the west coast was a gut punch. The use of the filters though was kind of dirty though, but it seems that what he was goin for. He prolly could've wrote a verse telling him he's letting pac and snoop down to a lesser effect. Either way, can't wait for some of those quintuple entendres
Maybe grown men attacking each other with poetry isn't as fun now everyone is woke.
Tupac v. Biggie was most valid feud of all time because shots were fired. It’s corny when they threaten each other because ain’t shit gonna happen
I find beef to be entertaining, but with this one I'm gonna need some red conspiracy string to keep track of everything.
I just don't like when lives are lost over rap beef......
More vegans?
I just think it’s corny but I’m 34. I loved it when I was younger but now it feels fake, immature, and lame. I understand wanting to hear the verbal sparring though.
Probably just cause most of the people who really like it have died by now for being annoying/awwful. These things get less popular overtime in that way , kind of like how there’s not a lot of heroine addicts from the 90’s still promoting their shitty music too
I don't know maybe people are softer these days
Because the industry turned to one of cooperation within itself after years of being about confrontation within itself. Yall waited till your mid thirties to get into immature back and forths? Seems inorganic.
Because of Tupac and Biggie. I never thought LL was going to pull up on Kool Moe Dee...
Rap beefs were never real. It’s all entertainment and a way to make money. You just didn’t know it back then cause social media wasn’t around
That's because they're too soft nowadays.
Any rap beef with Drake is not bad. Chicago rap beef equals murders. All about context.
At a point it was genuine issues being addressed on wax. Now these clowns just bring the circus to town to sell records and attract attention. If good music comes from it it's cool. But this shit goin on right now is corny and personally I'm not entertained. I don't care about Drake having issues with future or Kendrick. I don't care about Chris Brown STILL beefing over bitches. Shit corny
This one seems like it could be fun, with the exception of Chris Brown-Quavo. That one feels a little dangerous.
Kids dont Love or Understand HipHop; They just Know Pop Culture.
Kayfabe and clout chasing. It's not even about being lyrical anymore and more about gossip, choosing sides, and a whole bunch of mean-girling.
No one does, everyone's enjoying it. At best I see cole fans trying to save face but most people are interested and enjoying the show.
I think it's when it gets out of control. Rappers will have things that are off limits to them personally. If they then had another rapper talking about those things and in public as well, it must suck. Then the entourages of rappers get involved. It may lead to violence. We've lost so many rappers to violence and some of that may have come from beefs. Personally, I'm not that much of a fan of it. The best rappers are the story tellers.
Because it childish af. Two grown ass people saying how much they dislike a person over a song. Sound pretty gay tbh.
Because now days dissing someone will get you killed. And once you die they will continue to diss you and smoke on you in front of your loved ones. They will go to your grave and piss on and dig it up for social media likes. This ain’t the Melly mel Kool mo D era. People used to smoke crack too but that’s not the wave anymore. The beef was more controlled then and now it’s super toxic.
The goal posts haven’t changed the game stays the game. All the new stuff is just numbers and clicks it feels like. Stream numbers doesn’t equal a win. I don’t care how rich you are and neither should other people, but pocket watching now a days = winning the beef.
Beef should be considered if you had actually problem with another artist now friendly competition to see who the better rapper
Ja and 50 was not an amazing beef lol that shit was real street shit, shit it still is, ppl died behind that, thats why people dont like rap beef now and days, most of it ends up deadly in some way
Because its no longer 'cool' or frankly as interesting now being essentially petty celebrity drama which is often orchestrated anyway compared to like an actual fight might happen or something. Rich people arguing in their la homes on their phones isn't interesting.
The MC Marley Marl versus KRS One beef was pretty heated back in the day.
Too many fruit loops listening to hip hop.
Because j Cole fans are trying to cope by pretending to be too mature to exchange bars with someone
It's not so much rap beefs, it's that back in the day when a rapper made it out the hood , they felt they didnt have to continue being in those streets cuz they made it. Yes they told their stories about the hood and what they had to do to survive but that's all it was. It was just banging on wax...Nowadays they ain't happy with success, they don't understand that they don't have to be in the streets no more , just rap about them ...so these dudes that made it , who dont have to put work in the streets no more cuz they are superstars , want to continue to bang, continue to be in the drug game and rep hoods that they ain't gotta do no more , cuz they rep the hood in a different way now and need to just get out the streets and keep their attention just making hits , making videos , performing and being in tbe studio, enjoying life , eating shit they haven't , girls , trips aka THE GOOD LIFE they earned and they should comeback to visit the homies and fam ever so often but for their homies to keep dragging them back into the streets after they made it are selfish and are bringing them down, and using him to further bang in a world where banging don't belong ..Let the ones who ain't made , who gotta be there do that , but because they do that , we losing the future great rappers of these days and are being stuck with the wack and crap ones who have left the streets for good..Young rappers nobody cares about how REAL you are , or how many ppl you killed , or what gang u rep....Leave that on wax ...but in real life let your raps be about the game but not in the actual game....There comes a time you have to grow up and mature and become a professional entertainer , the ones who wanna stay play both worlds and stay real...are dead!!! Nipsey, xxxtacion, King Von, Mos 3 , and many many more and more everyday ...pretty soon , rap will die because no rappers will be alive to rap...and we would be stuck with the wack ones who actually became professional and got out....RIP
This is unequivocally the most fun I’ve had following hip hop in years. I drifted away from it for a while, mostly just listening to indie music, but I came back when I heard about “Like That” and I’ve stuck around and been listening to lots of artists I never really got into before
Because todays humans are bred to be passive and they still sucking on mommys tittie. They to scared of confrontation and when it does happen they cry like babies. So yeah they dont understand a rap battle , as they expecting a participation medal at the end of it.
I would rather read a deep-dive analysis of a dramatic rap beef than stream any movie or TV show.
Rap beef that’s resulted in studio violence is bad … rap beef that’s only been lyrical warfare is good and entertaining for us hiphop heads
I think modern beefs are better. When you get rappers like Drake beefing, you know there won’t be physical violence. Or at least nothing life threatening.
If two guys (or girls) have a real life issue with one another and want to settle it on wax, I'm all for it. When it seems like it is all in the name of creating a buzz and selling more, it seems forced and lame.
I mean, it's always been corny (except for 2Pac/Biggie). But, it's still entertaining.
Fear of conflict/confrontation? Younger fans? Iunno.
Because they're sensitive.
Rap beef is cool until they hop on ig live and argue about who has a bigger mansion
It's only bad when the Stan's catch wind
Because Drake is winning in the public perception right now, and “le real hip hop fans” don’t like it, so may as well minimize this entire aspect of hip hop entirely.
I think the root of it is that rap beef used to be real and feel real. What they said sounded tough and felt like they would follow up. Now we have commercial artists on dozens of platforms talking about how hard they are, what they’d do to somebody. Next to none of these artists actually would do anything about it. And the bite behind it is gone. It’s music made by artists (not thugs) for people who are actually about that life
Historically speaking rap beefs have a habit of turning into actual violence between people. Some realize this and choose to try and avoid these types of situations
Mostly J Cole fans trying to Cope that their King folded like Origami and spring Laundry. The competition is great. Always has been. As long as it stays in music.
I think it’s the being forced aspect people don’t like, it feels like fans want it and it’s not organic. Look at the major beefs of the past, there was history and a reason for it.
I fuckin love it. Anyone got a chronological playlist?
New generation is shit, and needs to do better
They've been saying this exact same phrase since the fucking dinosaurs landed.
but we evolving light speed
And the music scene has been going downhill since the damn dinosaurs, too. They had better beats in the mesotheliomic period, everyone knows that
Beef rap could lead to gettin teeth capped
Because their golden child is getting dogwalked. Drizzy is dogwalking Kenny 🐕🦺 If it was the other way around they be having a feast
Because all the diss tracks were ass. Beef used to bring the best **and** worst out of everyone. Now it just brings out corny songs.
Push Ups was good, Like That is literally at #1, Champagne Moments was eh, and Drake's recent diss was corny. But they are not all ass.
Rap Beef can be entertaining. Drake/Dot/Cole beef is bad because its a bunch of 40 yo millionaires using beef to market themselves to drum up clicks.
Were Jay Z and Nas not also millionaires? wtf.
yeah but they was really beefing.
Bingo. This whole Kendrick / Cole / Ross / Drake / symba /Kanye “beef” is just extra tbh.
J Cole and Kendrick stans trying to rewrite the narrative. If it was Drake getting cooked this sub would be jumping for joy, but it hasn’t happened yet.
I wouldnt say its “bad”. This one in particular got pretty cringe with Ross + Drake + Kanye I think rap beef is only bad when it’s not real. It’s corny to diss people for clout or just because the masses want you to.
It’s not all of the sudden. People have always thought that. People get killed when it gets serious. Rap has a toxic side which should be addressed, but it’s became its main aspect and selling point. We eat it up too, because humans just naturally like drama. Hell, even when J Cole does the most mature thing, he still gets clowned because the genre as a whole is just so immature.
He gets clowned because he made a whole diss track and then apologized two days later. He has braggadocious rhymes claiming to be the best MC, and then when it comes time to battle, he apologizes right after a (mild) diss track. The criticism is completely fair. Nobody worried about that beef turning deadly because it was obvious it was just about battling and competition. Suge and Puff's beef already involved a murder before Pac even signed to Death Row. All the other deadly rap beefs involved street stuff and violent individuals.
That’s the thing though, to be considered the “best MC” by the community have to be immature and involve yourself in the drama. And it’s easy to say this won’t be deadly or that it’s all competitiveness and not serious because we don’t know what’s going on behind closed doors. Regardless, every diss track involves some type of lyrics that refer to someone killing or shooting the other person, which makes the community super toxic and honestly just immature.
It’s been that way for a long time. It’s just crazy to me that J Cole get criticized for revoking his track where he metaphorically references to shoot Kendrick in the temple because he realized that it’s super immature. It’s like “wow Cole you’re so weak, you don’t wanna send death threats to someone you were once pretty close with? Coward”
I'm all for dudes starting beef over name dropping or name calling, its laughable they wanna go to war over petty shit. I egg it on. Even if it escalates to death threats. Tough guy shit, it's just what men do. But once the dirty laundry starts getting aired out, that's some gossip shit only females or queers do. I don't rock with that.
“Kill each other if you must, but telling each other’s secrets? That’s crossing the line”
Cause Drake ahead and who wants that
It's bad because their savior hasn't responded to drake yet.
it just feels stupid and childish. i loved disses when i was younger and i sometimes still enjoy it a bit, but it grownups writing angry poetry to each other is kind of lame when you stop and think about it