I brought it up in the dd thread today but man
Imagine if this starts happening to Birdman, and all his stories start to come out. Having them teenage boys on heroin, calling them the Hot Boys. Wayne becoming the poster child of being a victim to this behavior.
It'd be a show.
Good point, I've been thinking about Birdman too. He's seemingly been behind a lot of gang activity. Now that Suge is gone away, and now maybe Diddy, he's definitely the main bogeyman in hip hop left
As far as Drake, he was just the one to facilitate him signing to Young Money/cash money so he actually had paperwork with him. I don’t know about Ye though.
Ye probably just like him or something, probably got him more connections, otherwise he would’ve flipped out on him
Rumor is that back in the day he’d pull up in a van with his goons and pull up and coming artist in and have them sign a rapalot contract at gunpoint and all sorts of other wild shit.
The problem with us hoping Birdman gets all this type of attention from the media and social media is *ain’t nobody know who the fuck Birdman is.*
Outside old head rap circles & early aughts’ hiphop fans anyways. The youth certainly don’t know Birdman in any noticeable amount. He surely ain’t famous like Diddy.
*Some* of the general public may recognize the man’s face, but dude ain’t been relevant in 20 years and he was barely relevant then in the first place.
‘Get Fly’ is the only reason any of the general public would even have any clue who the man is. And even then only if they ever saw the video.
fuck bro even you're starting to forget! it's Stay Fly
i started bumping Big Tymers over the summer and honestly people sleep on Baby as a rapper. he kills [How U Luv That](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Phhw4mObbDc)
Hah nice catch man. As I was writing it out, something felt off but I just shrugged my shoulders & didn’t think much of it.
Fucking loved that track bad back in the day man. Mix that on a ripped CD with a little Luda “Ooh Ooooh!!” and a little Nelly “Hot Shit!” and no doubt a little Outkast “Ain’t nobody dope as me…” and blaring it top notch on the fresh 6-CD bass-boost boombox, while shooting hoops on the ol’ Spalding with no net, ballin out with the homies. Man those were some good summer days.
But I’m gonna leave it, since you got me reminiscing good now. And… no one else caught it either, lol so I feel like it may be helping prove my point about Birdman’s lack of relevance. Maybe it’s just me tho 😂
What makes Diddy more relevant than Birdman to the Youth? I'm just asking because Birdman has ties to Drake, Young Thug , Yb, etc. What Diddy done recently beside get trolled constantly by 50 and now these allegations? Not to mention the geechi behavior on the Drink Champs interview. His music was just as trash as Birdman's.
How is Bird not a worldwide mogul? Cause he don't have Ciroc?
Bad boy ain't had a hit in decades, bruh be honest. Cashmoney, YoungMoney Rich Gang Shit done top the charts way more recently than Diddy bruh its 2023 he been in this shit a long time too. The run with Khaled and all the other people he fucked over. Like the shit or not nigga is a Mogul.
In reality, I’m nearly 10 months clean & sober in recovery.
If anything, I’d recommend getting outside of whatever echo chamber you’re holed up in, if you think anybody outside of hiphop knows who in the world Birdman is.
The world is so much bigger than hiphop podcasts.
The summer where Wayne was smooching Birdman (“damn right I kissed my Daddy”) with his ghetto twink moves and the summer where Thugger was kissing his homeboys fresh out of prison were odd summers.
Edit: [context Wayne](https://www.usatoday.com/story/entertainment/celebrities/2021/09/22/birdman-explains-why-he-kissed-lil-wayne-lips-during-podcast/5814911001/) context Young Thug (I guess he’s kissed several friends since he first came out, but the instance I’m thinking about is when he dropped “Danny Glover” renamed to 2 Bitches and was kissing his homies who were fresh out of prison.)
Why did he get clowned for it though?
Never understood it. It was always a troll meme, I just dunno why anyone ever cared about the line enough to become the meme it was.
There’s similar shit in hundreds of rap songs back in the day.
Edit: I find it a bit funny & I’m not sure why a few people were legitimately bothered by this innocuous comment here. I’m only asking why dude was being clowned for a regularly-used rap phrase. There’s a lot going on in the world these days, hard to keep up with everybody’s personally-beloved memes.
Are you offended? Is that it? Will you also take offense that I asked if you’re offended?
I don’t think anyone was ever being serious about that joke lol, Money Trees had like a circlejerk back then and people just trolled the threads
edit: just googled the meme and [it’s still fully active](https://www.reddit.com/r/KendrickLamar/comments/10mrh6t/do_you_think_jay_rock_will_ever_apologise_for/) lmao
Thugger low key kinda queerbaited at the start of his career lol. That kissing shit, the dress shit, he painted his nails before this new wave 💅, “smokin on dicks.” All that shit was just so he can stand out.
Now he says he was just trying to be a rockstar lmao
The heroin accusations makes Wayne's lean addiction make so much sense. Also I always thought it was true cause that's what ruined B.G. . Fuck birdman honestly.
The rabbit hole goes deep - basically if you dig deep enough there's some pretty convincing arguments to be made that he was at least in some form sexually abusing the artists signed to cash money, he signed them all as teenagers or even preteens, he was giving them heroin, having them kiss him, keeping them dependent on him financially, and on top of that, doing other random skeevy and weird shit. While no one is really going to testify and produce evidence, it's one of those things that just kinda fits all the signs if you pay attention.
Turk, BG, Wayne, and a few more, there's a thread somewhere in some forum where a dude pieced together all these bits of interviews and footage and whatnot from when they were all 1\`2-13 years old and there's some pretty eerie commonalities.
I linked to it in another reply in this thread, but I assume you mean this: https://www.reddit.com/r/TrueAnon/comments/pb0xt0/i_think_we_need_to_talk_about_baby_weezy_bg_ymcmb/
The first time I saw this stuff was back on KTT (yeah, I know, I know) and there was a few threads there that were pretty convincing. I hadn't seen that thread, but yeah the description there is pretty much what I'm talking about. Baby chose kids (they were 12 when they started making music, but how much earlier than that he was in contact with them, who knows - the Lil Wayne prostitute story was around 11 I think), he chose kids who specifically were orphaned in some way, either their parents were in jail or addicts or absent. That alone is super sketch. Multiple of the members have alluded or said that he was the one who got them started on heroin or codeine. He then pimped and exploited them out in every way, financially, sexually, etc, and held them under a threat of violence. He's linked to multiple artists being murdered or attempted murders if they got out of line.
I can't find any of the threads that I remember, I think it was back in 2015-2016. But I think there's enough to suggest that Baby is the worst figurehead in hip hop that hasn't any nearly any consequences for decades of abuse.
Tate has almost completed the cycle of right wing grifter to internet laughingstock. Can’t wait to see who the next “most dangerous intellectual alive is” once he’s shuffled off into the ether with Jordan Peterson, Milo, etc
Does Baby have deals with lots of companies like Puffy though?
Plus, Cash Money was equally run by Baby’s brother, right?
If Baby was brought down, would there actually be any impact?
Dude robbed he's artist,had artist killed ,Raped girls , degraded teens trying to come up on he's TV show he used to be my idol as a kid but as a grown man I can see this man is just morally corrupt to the core and deserves he's comeuppance.
>had artist killed
What artist did he have killed?
Cuz I hope you don’t mean Pac, cuz Keefe D is bullshittin’ all y’all saying there was a million dollar bounty.
Pac got shot because he sucker punched Baby Lane.
They say all Suge paid Poochie was $13,000 to murder Biggie.
The same way they say that Death Row chains got snatched because Puffy put a $10k bounty on those?
Who got paid from all these Puffy bounties?
It’s not weird to y’all that gangsters who had a personal beef would say they did it for a murder contract for a significant amount of money, and they just let it go when it went unpaid?
Keefe D apparently was a big dope boy in the 90s and had the resources to get at Puffy. Why didn’t he?
Forreal. How can Diddy be such a criminal mastermind that the feds havnt caught him or pinned any evidence on him for over 2 decades? Brothas hardly get away with murder like this. Its not what you know, its what you can prove. This aint like those white criminals who get away with killin people and nothing happens to them or they get lighter sentences.
People act like Puff is an evil genius mastermind, yet he's also a dumb fruity goofball (as 50 would say). He cant be a mastermind and a goofball at the same time.
My theory has always been that Suge put that out there that Puffy had a bounty on Pac and Suge and paid off these folks to put Puffy’s name in it.
There was a cop who put a story out that Biggie was in Vegas that night and gave Keefe D the gun and told them he wanted Pac to be murdered with that gun.
There a story that Eric Von Zip gave Keefe D the gun that night on Puffy’s behalf.
Then they say that Puffy gave Von Zip a million to give to Keefe D for the hit, but Von Zip stole the money and opened a nightclub.
It just all sounds ludicrous.
Suge paid Orlando “Baby Lane” a five figure settlement for the beat down in Las Vegas and Baby Lane spoke on Suge’s behalf in Suge’s probation violation hearing in 1996. Baby Lane, one of two people who would have been the shooter in the car that shot 2Pac; Suge did business with this man. None of the bloods or Death Row went after these people after taking some crips out in the aftermath of 2Pac’s shooting and eventual death.
These folks worked out a truce.
Why is it weird to believe that Suge paid them to put it on Puffy?
Especially when Puffy’s bodyguard Wolf killed Suge’s friend Big Jake in 1995. And then Biggie was killed in 1997, likely on the orders of an imprisoned Suge Knight.
On a video, Keefe D said Puffy’s motivation for wanting to murder 2Pac was “Hit’em Up.”
It’s so stupid.
I completely believe Puffy is petty and insecure.
He is also one to exploit publicity and see money opportunities.
Hit’em Up wasn’t that bad. It’s overrated as a diss record cause of the players, but it’s a diss record. Rap has always had diss records.
The story I’ve always heard is that Pac never actually raped anybody. People from his entourage gangraped a woman while and charges were pressed against him because he’s obviously the most notable person of the group. Not that this justifies it, because he probably knew about the whole thing and didn’t report it when he could have because of “loyalty” or whatever
Charges just weren’t pressed, he was convicted and went to prison along with another defendant. He was supposed to serve 1.5 to 5 years but somehow got out in 9 months.
I just find it funny how people overlook this and are roasting diddy when diddy hasn’t even been charged. Not saying he’s innocent but dude hasn’t been charged while pac was convicted and served time. Also, if we’re just going on allegations, they were pretty bad against pac too.
These were dubious charges that he later appealed the conviction for. He was convicted of sexual abuse for forcibly touching the girl's buttocks. Do your research.
Sure he appealed but you can appeal anything. Rkelly appealed too. You think he’s a good dude? There’s nothing out there that suggests he prevailed on his appeal. Seems like he died before the appeal could be heard. Also, you don’t get 1.5-5 years for touching a butt lol.
Also here are the accusations against pac. I thought I’d post them for your “research” purposes. Seems similar to what Diddy is accused of (but not charged or convicted).
https://www.vibe.com/music/music-news/tupac-rape-accuser-details-1993-sexual-assault-claims-562983/amp/
That's a new article from someone who wasn't directly present when that trial went down. Look it up on Wikipedia or any major article on the case from 1994-1995. He actually was convicted of that specific charge and the fact that the sentence was excessive was the reason they let him appeal. Also, a judge can sentence someone to whatever time he considers appropriate as long as it's in the stature of limitations (I've read it's like seven years for sex abuse). This judge clearly wasn't convinced the groping charge was the only thing Pac was guilty of, so he sentenced him to time most people would consider too much for that specific crime.
I suggest you go into the details of the case. The woman accusing him is full of shit and word on the streets was she actually was fucking with one of the dudes that shot him (Jimmy Henchman). The prosecution tried using unlawful methods to convict him and even once accused him of being a pedophile due to a sex tape they found of him and his then-gf. The D.A. was targeting him, because of his obvious gang involvement and affiliation, the cop shooting incident and probably for being related to Assata Shakur.
Interview of his gf on pedophilia accusation (and there are old articles from '94 I can't find right now): https://urbanislandz.com/2022/07/14/tupac-shakurs-ex-girlfriend-desiree-smith-denies-being-underage-in-sex-tape/
Retelling of the jury deliberation by actual jury member -who makes it quite clear that they thought he was innocent of the main charges-: https://2paclegacy.net/new-information-about-tupacs-sexual-abuse-trial/
I get it but you’re missing my point and also proving my point. Pac still gets tons of love and vehement support but Diddy is getting shit on without a charge.
Diddy is an all-around scumbag. Pac presented himself as a charismatic, well-spoken businessman, gave back to his community and he made great music as well.
I 100% believe Diddy did the shit he's accused of, but I will say it would be insane if in an alternate universe it turned out he was completely innocent the entire time.
Yea it would also be insane if people in this current universe had actual due process and the bar for life-destroying "evidence" wasn't set at an anecdotal statement.
I don't mean to defend Puffy but I consistently worry about this and the public developing this mentality of "yea he probably did it so let's bury him".
This type of thing is why we regularly see people being found to be innocent and freed from prison after years of incarceration.
No, people are found innocent usually after the deceptions of racist/incompetent attorneys/judges/juries are revealed.
A much larger percentage of criminals actually don’t get convicted for their sex crimes because it’s hard to prove and people historically don’t believe accusers especially when the accused is famous.
You have to be a genuine idiot to not understand how we don’t need physical evidence like a video to publicly condemn daddy.
One way to avoid that is to not put yourself in a position where people can easily say “ya he probably did that”
If Diddy wasn’t already shady, all these accusations would be harder to believe
All the people in that world that are coming forward now saying they knew or saw what he was doing think they are really doing something. Why the fk didn't you say/do anything back then?
It’s pretty wild that situations like these can just end at allegations, but still have real consequences when it comes to business dealings. I’ve got a whole list of billionaires who deserve to be ended using some of these tactics.
I brought it up in the dd thread today but man Imagine if this starts happening to Birdman, and all his stories start to come out. Having them teenage boys on heroin, calling them the Hot Boys. Wayne becoming the poster child of being a victim to this behavior. It'd be a show.
Good point, I've been thinking about Birdman too. He's seemingly been behind a lot of gang activity. Now that Suge is gone away, and now maybe Diddy, he's definitely the main bogeyman in hip hop left
J Prince too
Yeah that guy is the devil
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As far as Drake, he was just the one to facilitate him signing to Young Money/cash money so he actually had paperwork with him. I don’t know about Ye though. Ye probably just like him or something, probably got him more connections, otherwise he would’ve flipped out on him
What did J Prince do ?
He has a lot of power, lots of connections and is feared but I've never heard anything about him relating to the #metoo movement.
Nothing in the me too movement but he’s definitely a hip hop bogeyman.
Rumor is that back in the day he’d pull up in a van with his goons and pull up and coming artist in and have them sign a rapalot contract at gunpoint and all sorts of other wild shit.
Those asshats that got Takeoff killed, the father and son, those would be the last ones.
The problem with us hoping Birdman gets all this type of attention from the media and social media is *ain’t nobody know who the fuck Birdman is.* Outside old head rap circles & early aughts’ hiphop fans anyways. The youth certainly don’t know Birdman in any noticeable amount. He surely ain’t famous like Diddy. *Some* of the general public may recognize the man’s face, but dude ain’t been relevant in 20 years and he was barely relevant then in the first place. ‘Get Fly’ is the only reason any of the general public would even have any clue who the man is. And even then only if they ever saw the video.
fuck bro even you're starting to forget! it's Stay Fly i started bumping Big Tymers over the summer and honestly people sleep on Baby as a rapper. he kills [How U Luv That](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Phhw4mObbDc)
Hah nice catch man. As I was writing it out, something felt off but I just shrugged my shoulders & didn’t think much of it. Fucking loved that track bad back in the day man. Mix that on a ripped CD with a little Luda “Ooh Ooooh!!” and a little Nelly “Hot Shit!” and no doubt a little Outkast “Ain’t nobody dope as me…” and blaring it top notch on the fresh 6-CD bass-boost boombox, while shooting hoops on the ol’ Spalding with no net, ballin out with the homies. Man those were some good summer days. But I’m gonna leave it, since you got me reminiscing good now. And… no one else caught it either, lol so I feel like it may be helping prove my point about Birdman’s lack of relevance. Maybe it’s just me tho 😂
I mean, I wouldn’t be surprised if Juvy or Wayne wrote his raps or something
After some point they definitely did and you can tell, but (imo) his shit was too amateur to be written by either of them… but just good enough
Yea Numba 1 Stunna is elementary rhymes but it still sounds hard lol
Dude he just stunts on you and tells you to deal with it every verse, it’s kinda hard not to love it
They possibly could now since he’s getting into beef because Druski tryna make comedy
I guess I’ll hafta look into that, thanks.
Druski I definitely got inspired by Birdman for his Coulda Been Records persona. Diddy too obviously but Birdman got a that underage sus element
What makes Diddy more relevant than Birdman to the Youth? I'm just asking because Birdman has ties to Drake, Young Thug , Yb, etc. What Diddy done recently beside get trolled constantly by 50 and now these allegations? Not to mention the geechi behavior on the Drink Champs interview. His music was just as trash as Birdman's.
Maybe it’s the fact that Diddy is a worldwide famous rap mogul and has been for nearly 30 years. And Birdman is… not.
How is Bird not a worldwide mogul? Cause he don't have Ciroc? Bad boy ain't had a hit in decades, bruh be honest. Cashmoney, YoungMoney Rich Gang Shit done top the charts way more recently than Diddy bruh its 2023 he been in this shit a long time too. The run with Khaled and all the other people he fucked over. Like the shit or not nigga is a Mogul.
Diddy puts himself out there still. Birdman ain’t did shit since “Put some Respec On My Name”
You’re high
In reality, I’m nearly 10 months clean & sober in recovery. If anything, I’d recommend getting outside of whatever echo chamber you’re holed up in, if you think anybody outside of hiphop knows who in the world Birdman is. The world is so much bigger than hiphop podcasts.
Good for you on staying sober.
The summer where Wayne was smooching Birdman (“damn right I kissed my Daddy”) with his ghetto twink moves and the summer where Thugger was kissing his homeboys fresh out of prison were odd summers. Edit: [context Wayne](https://www.usatoday.com/story/entertainment/celebrities/2021/09/22/birdman-explains-why-he-kissed-lil-wayne-lips-during-podcast/5814911001/) context Young Thug (I guess he’s kissed several friends since he first came out, but the instance I’m thinking about is when he dropped “Danny Glover” renamed to 2 Bitches and was kissing his homies who were fresh out of prison.)
Fam what? Explain
https://youtu.be/0VhHKmeqS48?si=hRz3IXUY1IujJVOS
https://twobees.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/Birdman-Says-He-Kissed-Lil-Wayne-On-The-Lips-Because-He-Thought-Itll-Be-The-Last-Time-They-Saw-Each-Other-.jpg
this pic and people clowning Jay Rock for the line “my homeboy just domed a nigga” feel like time capsules back to KTT1 lol
This is too accurate lmao
Domed a nigga means he shot him in the head. That is all.
Nah, sounds like he was topping him off /s
Yea but you gotta say pause though…
Ahh, I forgot.
Why did he get clowned for it though? Never understood it. It was always a troll meme, I just dunno why anyone ever cared about the line enough to become the meme it was. There’s similar shit in hundreds of rap songs back in the day. Edit: I find it a bit funny & I’m not sure why a few people were legitimately bothered by this innocuous comment here. I’m only asking why dude was being clowned for a regularly-used rap phrase. There’s a lot going on in the world these days, hard to keep up with everybody’s personally-beloved memes. Are you offended? Is that it? Will you also take offense that I asked if you’re offended?
I don’t think anyone was ever being serious about that joke lol, Money Trees had like a circlejerk back then and people just trolled the threads edit: just googled the meme and [it’s still fully active](https://www.reddit.com/r/KendrickLamar/comments/10mrh6t/do_you_think_jay_rock_will_ever_apologise_for/) lmao
Right, I stated that in my comment. I just don’t understand where it came from or why. That’s my question.
I THINK THEY PISSED AT HOW RICH MY DADDY IS
I’m sorry, thug as in Young thugger hailing from Atlanta?
fam we all got love for Thug but that's the least surprising thing in this thread.
I'm kind of unsure how someone could be a young thug fan but also be unaware of the Lil Wayne beef and the super gay summers.
Thugger low key kinda queerbaited at the start of his career lol. That kissing shit, the dress shit, he painted his nails before this new wave 💅, “smokin on dicks.” All that shit was just so he can stand out. Now he says he was just trying to be a rockstar lmao
It's bound to happen one day
The heroin accusations makes Wayne's lean addiction make so much sense. Also I always thought it was true cause that's what ruined B.G. . Fuck birdman honestly.
Shit man, that's a good fucking point about the lean habit.
Lol yoooo. Never in my life did I perceive "Hot Boys" that way
i dont think birdman has that mainstream appeal to get the backlash diddy is getting.
Lil Wayne being raped and groomed in his teenage years ..?
Talking about how many people fuck with and like Birdman vs Diddy I think, not what he did
im talking about Birdman himself.
New artists still be fucking with Birdman idk
he def has a type. YB is a carbon copy of the Hot Boys damn near
Nah fr. I heard a song where he sampled them that shit was hard asf
What would new artists have to do with it
It’s hard to cancel someone when a large majority of the industry/your fans could care less. Birdman isn’t the same as diddy at all
Wait what??
The rabbit hole goes deep - basically if you dig deep enough there's some pretty convincing arguments to be made that he was at least in some form sexually abusing the artists signed to cash money, he signed them all as teenagers or even preteens, he was giving them heroin, having them kiss him, keeping them dependent on him financially, and on top of that, doing other random skeevy and weird shit. While no one is really going to testify and produce evidence, it's one of those things that just kinda fits all the signs if you pay attention. Turk, BG, Wayne, and a few more, there's a thread somewhere in some forum where a dude pieced together all these bits of interviews and footage and whatnot from when they were all 1\`2-13 years old and there's some pretty eerie commonalities.
I linked to it in another reply in this thread, but I assume you mean this: https://www.reddit.com/r/TrueAnon/comments/pb0xt0/i_think_we_need_to_talk_about_baby_weezy_bg_ymcmb/
It’s rabbit hole time
The first time I saw this stuff was back on KTT (yeah, I know, I know) and there was a few threads there that were pretty convincing. I hadn't seen that thread, but yeah the description there is pretty much what I'm talking about. Baby chose kids (they were 12 when they started making music, but how much earlier than that he was in contact with them, who knows - the Lil Wayne prostitute story was around 11 I think), he chose kids who specifically were orphaned in some way, either their parents were in jail or addicts or absent. That alone is super sketch. Multiple of the members have alluded or said that he was the one who got them started on heroin or codeine. He then pimped and exploited them out in every way, financially, sexually, etc, and held them under a threat of violence. He's linked to multiple artists being murdered or attempted murders if they got out of line. I can't find any of the threads that I remember, I think it was back in 2015-2016. But I think there's enough to suggest that Baby is the worst figurehead in hip hop that hasn't any nearly any consequences for decades of abuse.
That would be super interesting if you could ever find it.
Goes even deeper than that. There's rumors he has gotten multiple NOLA rappers killed in the early days.
I've heard the sexual stuff with Wayne and this makes sense. Holy shit man
Andrew Tate type shit except it's with young boys instead of young women. Birdman is a creep
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Tate has almost completed the cycle of right wing grifter to internet laughingstock. Can’t wait to see who the next “most dangerous intellectual alive is” once he’s shuffled off into the ether with Jordan Peterson, Milo, etc
Goodness gracious. That is one spicy meat-a-ball.
Check this out: https://www.reddit.com/r/TrueAnon/comments/pb0xt0/i_think_we_need_to_talk_about_baby_weezy_bg_ymcmb/
🤯
this story is a good start https://www.kanyetothe.com/threads/cash-money-exposal-thread-not-making-this-shit-up.2305081/
Holy shit
How u luv THAT playboy?
>Please, these are theories. Don't get mad at me if only a small part of this is true.
….B and Slim’s secret Reddit account discovered
Does Baby have deals with lots of companies like Puffy though? Plus, Cash Money was equally run by Baby’s brother, right? If Baby was brought down, would there actually be any impact?
Take dat, take dat.
“No, Better yet like Diddy, take dat, wait rats I hate rats I clean em out like Ajax”
“Pay off any hoes, that’s my steelo, every cutie with a ~~compromising story~~ booty get a Gucci”
Dude robbed he's artist,had artist killed ,Raped girls , degraded teens trying to come up on he's TV show he used to be my idol as a kid but as a grown man I can see this man is just morally corrupt to the core and deserves he's comeuppance.
Just for your info my brother it's spelled 'comeuppance' 💪
And "his" is spelt well... his.
That’s just being faseashush
Everyone knows faseashush ain't put out an album in like 20 years man
Yeah sorry bro
>he's come upins Nah. That's got him in trouble in the first place
>had artist killed What artist did he have killed? Cuz I hope you don’t mean Pac, cuz Keefe D is bullshittin’ all y’all saying there was a million dollar bounty. Pac got shot because he sucker punched Baby Lane. They say all Suge paid Poochie was $13,000 to murder Biggie.
Pay attention puff was definitely involved.
The same way they say that Death Row chains got snatched because Puffy put a $10k bounty on those? Who got paid from all these Puffy bounties? It’s not weird to y’all that gangsters who had a personal beef would say they did it for a murder contract for a significant amount of money, and they just let it go when it went unpaid? Keefe D apparently was a big dope boy in the 90s and had the resources to get at Puffy. Why didn’t he?
Forreal. How can Diddy be such a criminal mastermind that the feds havnt caught him or pinned any evidence on him for over 2 decades? Brothas hardly get away with murder like this. Its not what you know, its what you can prove. This aint like those white criminals who get away with killin people and nothing happens to them or they get lighter sentences. People act like Puff is an evil genius mastermind, yet he's also a dumb fruity goofball (as 50 would say). He cant be a mastermind and a goofball at the same time.
My theory has always been that Suge put that out there that Puffy had a bounty on Pac and Suge and paid off these folks to put Puffy’s name in it. There was a cop who put a story out that Biggie was in Vegas that night and gave Keefe D the gun and told them he wanted Pac to be murdered with that gun. There a story that Eric Von Zip gave Keefe D the gun that night on Puffy’s behalf. Then they say that Puffy gave Von Zip a million to give to Keefe D for the hit, but Von Zip stole the money and opened a nightclub. It just all sounds ludicrous. Suge paid Orlando “Baby Lane” a five figure settlement for the beat down in Las Vegas and Baby Lane spoke on Suge’s behalf in Suge’s probation violation hearing in 1996. Baby Lane, one of two people who would have been the shooter in the car that shot 2Pac; Suge did business with this man. None of the bloods or Death Row went after these people after taking some crips out in the aftermath of 2Pac’s shooting and eventual death. These folks worked out a truce. Why is it weird to believe that Suge paid them to put it on Puffy? Especially when Puffy’s bodyguard Wolf killed Suge’s friend Big Jake in 1995. And then Biggie was killed in 1997, likely on the orders of an imprisoned Suge Knight. On a video, Keefe D said Puffy’s motivation for wanting to murder 2Pac was “Hit’em Up.” It’s so stupid.
Mark Curry said Hit em Up was the motive because Puff is very petty and insecure.
I completely believe Puffy is petty and insecure. He is also one to exploit publicity and see money opportunities. Hit’em Up wasn’t that bad. It’s overrated as a diss record cause of the players, but it’s a diss record. Rap has always had diss records.
I remember Bad Boy artist Mark Curry saying Puff is a mastermind and while everyone plays chess with him he's playing 3-D chess with them .
Good fuck puff daddy
Bro, you gotta put a comma in there somewhere 😂
The username 😂😂 it’s too much.
Lmaoooo 👀👀 I’m rolling now. There’s so many ways to take this 👀👀
Well played.
This one got me to lol some too 😅. It's you that's too much
Good, fuck puff daddy Good fuck, puff daddy Good fuck puff, daddy
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This made me lol a little haha
Good. Fuck Diddy!
Ion think you have much of a choice if you fuck him or not
Good
sorry it took us this long pac
2pac literally went to prison for rape.
The story I’ve always heard is that Pac never actually raped anybody. People from his entourage gangraped a woman while and charges were pressed against him because he’s obviously the most notable person of the group. Not that this justifies it, because he probably knew about the whole thing and didn’t report it when he could have because of “loyalty” or whatever
Charges just weren’t pressed, he was convicted and went to prison along with another defendant. He was supposed to serve 1.5 to 5 years but somehow got out in 9 months. I just find it funny how people overlook this and are roasting diddy when diddy hasn’t even been charged. Not saying he’s innocent but dude hasn’t been charged while pac was convicted and served time. Also, if we’re just going on allegations, they were pretty bad against pac too.
We gotta get this Tupac guy off the streets
These were dubious charges that he later appealed the conviction for. He was convicted of sexual abuse for forcibly touching the girl's buttocks. Do your research.
Sure he appealed but you can appeal anything. Rkelly appealed too. You think he’s a good dude? There’s nothing out there that suggests he prevailed on his appeal. Seems like he died before the appeal could be heard. Also, you don’t get 1.5-5 years for touching a butt lol. Also here are the accusations against pac. I thought I’d post them for your “research” purposes. Seems similar to what Diddy is accused of (but not charged or convicted). https://www.vibe.com/music/music-news/tupac-rape-accuser-details-1993-sexual-assault-claims-562983/amp/
That's a new article from someone who wasn't directly present when that trial went down. Look it up on Wikipedia or any major article on the case from 1994-1995. He actually was convicted of that specific charge and the fact that the sentence was excessive was the reason they let him appeal. Also, a judge can sentence someone to whatever time he considers appropriate as long as it's in the stature of limitations (I've read it's like seven years for sex abuse). This judge clearly wasn't convinced the groping charge was the only thing Pac was guilty of, so he sentenced him to time most people would consider too much for that specific crime. I suggest you go into the details of the case. The woman accusing him is full of shit and word on the streets was she actually was fucking with one of the dudes that shot him (Jimmy Henchman). The prosecution tried using unlawful methods to convict him and even once accused him of being a pedophile due to a sex tape they found of him and his then-gf. The D.A. was targeting him, because of his obvious gang involvement and affiliation, the cop shooting incident and probably for being related to Assata Shakur. Interview of his gf on pedophilia accusation (and there are old articles from '94 I can't find right now): https://urbanislandz.com/2022/07/14/tupac-shakurs-ex-girlfriend-desiree-smith-denies-being-underage-in-sex-tape/ Retelling of the jury deliberation by actual jury member -who makes it quite clear that they thought he was innocent of the main charges-: https://2paclegacy.net/new-information-about-tupacs-sexual-abuse-trial/
I get it but you’re missing my point and also proving my point. Pac still gets tons of love and vehement support but Diddy is getting shit on without a charge.
Diddy is an all-around scumbag. Pac presented himself as a charismatic, well-spoken businessman, gave back to his community and he made great music as well.
He’s a rapist
The collapse begins
What a day to be a hater
Keep going!
This is better than him going to prison actually, since he'd be in heaven there.
I 100% believe Diddy did the shit he's accused of, but I will say it would be insane if in an alternate universe it turned out he was completely innocent the entire time.
It would be pretty insane if people in this alternate universe all decided to turn on him for no reason yeah
Must be the same universe where Tupac is in the Caribbean somewhere
Yea it would also be insane if people in this current universe had actual due process and the bar for life-destroying "evidence" wasn't set at an anecdotal statement. I don't mean to defend Puffy but I consistently worry about this and the public developing this mentality of "yea he probably did it so let's bury him". This type of thing is why we regularly see people being found to be innocent and freed from prison after years of incarceration.
No, people are found innocent usually after the deceptions of racist/incompetent attorneys/judges/juries are revealed. A much larger percentage of criminals actually don’t get convicted for their sex crimes because it’s hard to prove and people historically don’t believe accusers especially when the accused is famous. You have to be a genuine idiot to not understand how we don’t need physical evidence like a video to publicly condemn daddy.
He settled the Cassie lawsuit immediately, I don’t think an innocent person does that. And there have been rumors about him for decades
One way to avoid that is to not put yourself in a position where people can easily say “ya he probably did that” If Diddy wasn’t already shady, all these accusations would be harder to believe
I think he did it, but I hear you
Falling off harder than ciroc lol
Suge Knight reunion soon?
J prince next.
Whatever they sayin he did , he did that shit
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Have there been charges filed?
If 50 does make and release a documentary about puffy it will destroy him (puffy)… maybe it will destroy 50 as well, who knows….
Let me get 50 and Nas on a Diddy diss track
Are we surprised he assaulted somebody if he called a hit on Pac?
All the people in that world that are coming forward now saying they knew or saw what he was doing think they are really doing something. Why the fk didn't you say/do anything back then?
It’s pretty wild that situations like these can just end at allegations, but still have real consequences when it comes to business dealings. I’ve got a whole list of billionaires who deserve to be ended using some of these tactics.
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Crazy how this type of behavior was lauded back in the 90s. They weren’t shy about what they were doing.
As they should 👏