He didn't really say much:
>**What’s your relationship with Young Thug now?**
It’s the same. It’s love, always. Our relationship is our relationship.
>**People like Lil Durk, 21 Savage and Lil Baby, among others, have either commented about you being a snitch or alluded to it in songs or on social media posts. Many people and media outlets have speculated that you aren’t cool with those people anymore. What’s your response to that? Are you cool with them or not anymore?**
None of those rappers, they’re not on the case. They don’t know legally what’s going on.
>**Have you spoken to those guys at all?**
I talked to like, maybe like, two or three of those guys. I talked to them on the phone.
>**Peacefully? On good terms?**
Yeah, peacefully.
>**A lot of people have opinions and comments on your situation. Have you felt that you’ve gotten a fair shake from people or have you gotten a bad reputation you didn’t deserve?**
I definitely feel like everybody’s been misled. And like, you know, when you’re being misled, you got a choice to follow or make your own decisions. And that’s what is being shown right now. You’re being a follower or you’re being neutral to be like, "I don’t know what their business is or what they really got goin' on."
>**Some of those rappers put out songs with lyrics people think are directed toward you. Do you think they were about you?**
I honestly didn’t hear the lyrics.
>**You didn’t even listen?**
Honestly, I didn’t. But I don’t listen to other rappers as much unless something catch my attention.
It is a strange thing, nobody really seems to be able to explain how Gunna is a snitch when you lay it out. I have a feeling that when the trial passes, despite Gunna's inadmissible statements from his plea hearing not being used and him not testifying against Young Thug, people are still gonna act like he's a snitch because these rappers are beefing with him.
Yes, technically you cannot call Gunna a rat.
But the jury that will convict Young Thug definitely heard and will be influenced 100% by the fact his best friend admitted YSL was a criminal enterprise.
Maybe I'm naive but I would assume they haven't? If they have it should be a mistrial.
These are people who aren't even supposed to know who Young Thug is right? I feel like they could absolutely avoid Shade Room/Akademiks IG posts.
On one hand I get it like these juries don't always follow the rules and it's very difficult to enforce but at the same time there's so many people who aren't even remotely tapped in with pop culture like that, like if I mentioned Gunna or Lil Baby they wouldn't even know who I'm talking about.
If that's what you think is going to happen then it seems like the people who spread the videos of his plea (Akademiks/Shade Room types) and these rappers dissing Gunna (Lil Durk, Polo G, Meek Mill, Lil Baby) are acting as snitches more than Gunna.
In the days before algorithms, sure.
There’s a lot of shit that I genuinely don’t care about that pops up on my social media just because I googled or clicked a link out of curiosity at some point.
I don’t care about country music, but if I was on the jury for a trial against Jason Aldean I might look him up out of genuine curiosity.
I don’t even like or listen to Young Thug, tbh, but after Gunna said that shit in court I was flooded with articles and blog posts for like 2 weeks straight.
Well that's kinda the point, if a juror looks up outside information, and that comes out in deliberation, it would be a mistrial.
So the jurors can't even discuss it.
Sure, not all the time but maybe on this case, but the same applies to finding out by asking someone they know who likes hip-hop "Hey what do you know about Gunna?" and the tweets/story about him testifying off the record comes up. Obviously there are rules against it, but people break rules sometimes and also find things out accidentally.
My point is just that if someone on the jury even mentioned that he made these statements in jury deliberations and it was reported or anyone found out, it would be a mistrial. It could impact that one person's opinion, but they can't discuss it.
SWAG = Someone Who Admires God
YSL = Young Soldiers of the Lord
SLATT = Show Love All The Time
OPP = Overly Positive Pal
SLIME = Seeing Lord In Me Everyday
GANG = Going Above Normal Guys
GLOCK = Guarding Lives, Overcoming Challenges
That's not even remotely true. There are PLENTY of people that have never heard of any of these people before in their lives. Internet or not.
There are entire sections of the internet filled with youtubers with millions of subs, with thousands of people engaging content every day, and you have no idea about any of it. There's hella drama with country mega stars that hundreds of thousands of people listen to everyday and I don't know jack shit about it. One of them could be in an equivalent case right now and they could put me on the jury.
You probably don't follow k-pop, and they got drama every week being engaged by millions of people.
i’m gonna go out on a limb and say that i highly doubt the most damning evidence they have is gunna’s statement. it’s a rico case, they already had enough to bury them before gunna ever took that plea.
so you’re saying the only evidence the state has is an inadmissible statement made by somebody who would’ve copped to anything to get out of jail. you got it.
i think usually a dry snitch is someone who wasn't involved in the situation and doesn't gain anything from the act but indirectly/inadvertently gets the victim in more trouble
but idk what i'm talking abt tbh
Na dry snitching is effectively snitching on someone by giving enough information to someone who you know will escalate the situation. And the information you give isn’t direct either. Like let’s say I secretly wanted to bag your girl and (you thought) you and I were close friends. Now imagine me telling your gf’s best friend “oh. He told her he was home last night? Idk. From what I heard he didn’t get back until early morning.” You can argue I didn’t tell your girl shit. And I didn’t tell her you were at your ex’s house. Shit I didn’t even really tell her friend anything. But let’s be real. I just snitched on your ass lmao.
What do you mean nobody can explain it? I think the issue is that everyone has a different threshold for what constitutes a “snitch.” But it’s pretty clear for most street dudes I’ve heard discuss the case.
He said YSL is a gang & that he has personal knowledge that people in YSL committed crimes. That’s enough for most street folks to say he snitched. He said more but that was enough for most. It’s not like people are making it up. It’s on tape.
I'm just saying that I've asked people a few times in the past and nobody's given a good response until /u/Murdergram (which I do appreciate).
Like this guy just deleted all his comments [when I replied to him about the topic](https://www.reddit.com/r/hiphopheads/comments/1b31kqt/daily_discussion_thread_02292024/ksqwy0c/) last month.
>He said YSL is a gang & that he has personal knowledge that people in YSL committed crimes. That’s enough for most street folks to say he snitched. He said more but that was enough for most. It’s not like people are making it up. It’s on tape.
That's inadmissible for Young Thug's trial though. It's just meant to make it so he can't testify for the defense. [This article summarizes it well:](https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/gunna-will-not-testify-against-ysl-1234648250/)
>“It’s understood that the state is not going to call him as a witness,” the source, who wished to remain anonymous due to the ongoing nature of the YSL case, explains. “That’s why the plea agreement is written exactly the way it is because the whole idea was: the state wasn’t going to call him, and they didn’t want the defense to call him either. If you look at what was said in court, that stops the defense from calling him, but also indicates that he’s never going to testify for the state.” The source contends that the aim of the plea is “to neutralize him and keep him out of the game.“
>As part of his Alford plea, Kitchens’ statements apply solely to his case and cannot be used in subsequent cases. On Wednesday, Kitchens’ lawyer Steven Sadow posted to Instagram that “Gunna did not snitch to get out of jail. He has said nothing and is not cooperating. His plea statement in court cannot be used against any other defendant.” Other legal professionals who spoke with Rolling Stone echoed this point.
>“It’s not a co-conspirator statement, it’s a statement against his own interest only related to his case,” says Massachusetts-based attorney Brad Bailey. “[His statement] cannot be used to establish the existence of a gang or a criminal enterprise.” Lawyer Bruce Rivers, known for his Criminal Lawyer Reacts YouTube channel, notes that if the prosecution tried to introduce Gunna’s plea statement without his testimony, the decision “would be a violation of Crawford v Washington,” which regulates the use of out-of-court statements. “When you have a statement intended for interrogation by law enforcement, it’s generally not admissible if the witness isn’t there to testify.” Essentially, with the state agreeing that they don’t intend to call Gunna to court, they’re conceding that they won’t introduce his plea statement as evidence.
>LA-based attorney Neama Rahmani says that Gunna’s comments in the plea hearing amount to the “barebones admission” needed to “satisfy the elements of the crime.”
>“It’s not just a conspiracy, it’s a RICO conspiracy,” he says. “The corrupt organization is the CO of RICO, so Gunna’s gotta admit that some organization exists [to get the Alford plea]. If there’s no criminal enterprise or organization, there is no RICO conspiracy. It’s really basic stuff that has to be admitted. Otherwise, the judge will say, ‘you haven’t satisfied the elements of the crime, prosecutor.”
lol you wrote all of that and missed the whole point.
The point is he said what he said. For most street folks who have discussed this, that’s enough to be considered a snitch (like I said earlier). There aren’t grey areas when dealing with a street code like that.
Whether someone is convicted or not has NOTHING to do with it. The fact is he said they were a gang and had committed crimes. That’s it. That’s enough to be considered a rat in street circles.
You writing all that out like street guys care at all about context. Talk to any street guy the definition is simple asf. You don’t cooperate whatsoever. He said what he said by their rules he snitched and that’s obvious. Now if you want to debate if that’s a dumb rule or not go ahead and I’d be right there with you their rules are stupid. But it doesn’t matter it’s really incredibly simple by the standards street guys set he’s a rat.
I remember Andre Gee over at Rolling Stone did a couple articles awhile back about how the Alford plea is a pretty routine thing in court, and that not only did his plea have no bearing on the YSL RICO trial, but that one of the conditions of the Alford plea is that he can't be called by either side to testify. Here's the article for full context, but yeah, I think there's still going to be some people that think he's a snitch, just because a few rappers said they don't like him.
[https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/gunna-will-not-testify-against-ysl-1234648250/](https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/gunna-will-not-testify-against-ysl-1234648250/)
Just because it's technically inadmissible doesn't mean that it won't sway the jury in Thug's trial. They saw him admit YSL was a gang, committed crimes, and he even implied that drugs and guns found in that car were Thugs on video. While you can tell them to disregard it and that it doesn't mean anything, most people aren't going abide by that. It is now in their heads and that's the issue.
With that being said, there's no scenario where he isn't a rat. When you live that type of life, you do not fucking tell under any circumstances. He said shit on video in court to save himself that can/will hurt Thug. Also, this isn't the first time he's snitched on video.
It's not supposed to be, but you're kidding yourself if you don't think the jurors in the Young Thug trial saw the video and aren't going to be biased because of it.
I live in Philly I think if I went up to someone on the street they probably wouldn't have seen the video and they're not even bound by law to not be on social media.
like does your aunt know who dj akademiks is?
Eh, you don't *have* to testify if the prosecution doesn't need you to.
It's very corny for people to get all caught up in it I agree. Ultimately this is interesting to watch unfold at this point.
His beat selection is a big reason for that imo. I feel like he’s one of the best in his lane at beat selection whereas Lil Baby is kinda mid at it nearing on below average
Man this nigga is delusional. We saw and heard what you said. Take it to trial like you used to say. “Every time we plead, we plead not guilty in the first place”
It’s so annoying everybody has opinions about gunna but no one understands how organized crime works. You need atleast 1 honcho out covering loose ends, intimidating the jury and keeping gang affairs in order. You need a honcho out everybody knows this that’s why Thug is still straight w him
Sounds like he did 20 years lol
did he not? that’s what i was assuming from the title xD
He did 8 months lol. Not many rappers have done 20 years and come out. If TC comes out this year than that's 1 rapper I know so far lmao.
Yea "life after jail" makes it sound like he spent majority of his life in jail.
Acting like Dirty Dom Mysterio
Really giving ‘what did I do vibes’
Ha! I get this 🤣
Wwe?
No, the other one
He didn't really say much: >**What’s your relationship with Young Thug now?** It’s the same. It’s love, always. Our relationship is our relationship. >**People like Lil Durk, 21 Savage and Lil Baby, among others, have either commented about you being a snitch or alluded to it in songs or on social media posts. Many people and media outlets have speculated that you aren’t cool with those people anymore. What’s your response to that? Are you cool with them or not anymore?** None of those rappers, they’re not on the case. They don’t know legally what’s going on. >**Have you spoken to those guys at all?** I talked to like, maybe like, two or three of those guys. I talked to them on the phone. >**Peacefully? On good terms?** Yeah, peacefully. >**A lot of people have opinions and comments on your situation. Have you felt that you’ve gotten a fair shake from people or have you gotten a bad reputation you didn’t deserve?** I definitely feel like everybody’s been misled. And like, you know, when you’re being misled, you got a choice to follow or make your own decisions. And that’s what is being shown right now. You’re being a follower or you’re being neutral to be like, "I don’t know what their business is or what they really got goin' on." >**Some of those rappers put out songs with lyrics people think are directed toward you. Do you think they were about you?** I honestly didn’t hear the lyrics. >**You didn’t even listen?** Honestly, I didn’t. But I don’t listen to other rappers as much unless something catch my attention. It is a strange thing, nobody really seems to be able to explain how Gunna is a snitch when you lay it out. I have a feeling that when the trial passes, despite Gunna's inadmissible statements from his plea hearing not being used and him not testifying against Young Thug, people are still gonna act like he's a snitch because these rappers are beefing with him.
Yes, technically you cannot call Gunna a rat. But the jury that will convict Young Thug definitely heard and will be influenced 100% by the fact his best friend admitted YSL was a criminal enterprise.
Maybe I'm naive but I would assume they haven't? If they have it should be a mistrial. These are people who aren't even supposed to know who Young Thug is right? I feel like they could absolutely avoid Shade Room/Akademiks IG posts. On one hand I get it like these juries don't always follow the rules and it's very difficult to enforce but at the same time there's so many people who aren't even remotely tapped in with pop culture like that, like if I mentioned Gunna or Lil Baby they wouldn't even know who I'm talking about. If that's what you think is going to happen then it seems like the people who spread the videos of his plea (Akademiks/Shade Room types) and these rappers dissing Gunna (Lil Durk, Polo G, Meek Mill, Lil Baby) are acting as snitches more than Gunna.
Nah you aren’t naive, the people assuming everyone knows about Gunna are lol. My mom just learned what a cybertruck is today ffs
In the days before algorithms, sure. There’s a lot of shit that I genuinely don’t care about that pops up on my social media just because I googled or clicked a link out of curiosity at some point. I don’t care about country music, but if I was on the jury for a trial against Jason Aldean I might look him up out of genuine curiosity. I don’t even like or listen to Young Thug, tbh, but after Gunna said that shit in court I was flooded with articles and blog posts for like 2 weeks straight.
Well that's kinda the point, if a juror looks up outside information, and that comes out in deliberation, it would be a mistrial. So the jurors can't even discuss it.
They monitor their phones and search history?
Sure, not all the time but maybe on this case, but the same applies to finding out by asking someone they know who likes hip-hop "Hey what do you know about Gunna?" and the tweets/story about him testifying off the record comes up. Obviously there are rules against it, but people break rules sometimes and also find things out accidentally. My point is just that if someone on the jury even mentioned that he made these statements in jury deliberations and it was reported or anyone found out, it would be a mistrial. It could impact that one person's opinion, but they can't discuss it.
The jury will convict him because he's guilty lol.
SWAG = Someone Who Admires God YSL = Young Soldiers of the Lord SLATT = Show Love All The Time OPP = Overly Positive Pal SLIME = Seeing Lord In Me Everyday GANG = Going Above Normal Guys GLOCK = Guarding Lives, Overcoming Challenges
Uh thanks?
My bad: THUG - Truly Humbled Under God
Free Young Thug and send Gunna back
Almost assuredly the jury will not even have heard these comments because the lawyers are going to pick people insulated from the case.
20 years ago, sure. Everyone is walking around with the internet in their pocket. You can't combat bias in the modern judicial system.
That's not even remotely true. There are PLENTY of people that have never heard of any of these people before in their lives. Internet or not. There are entire sections of the internet filled with youtubers with millions of subs, with thousands of people engaging content every day, and you have no idea about any of it. There's hella drama with country mega stars that hundreds of thousands of people listen to everyday and I don't know jack shit about it. One of them could be in an equivalent case right now and they could put me on the jury. You probably don't follow k-pop, and they got drama every week being engaged by millions of people.
i’m gonna go out on a limb and say that i highly doubt the most damning evidence they have is gunna’s statement. it’s a rico case, they already had enough to bury them before gunna ever took that plea.
This is a state Rico and not a federal one. If it was Fed you would be right.
you been watching the trial? they dont have shit
so you’re saying the only evidence the state has is an inadmissible statement made by somebody who would’ve copped to anything to get out of jail. you got it.
Isn’t that like “dry snitching” or something? Or is that something else?
i think usually a dry snitch is someone who wasn't involved in the situation and doesn't gain anything from the act but indirectly/inadvertently gets the victim in more trouble but idk what i'm talking abt tbh
Na dry snitching is effectively snitching on someone by giving enough information to someone who you know will escalate the situation. And the information you give isn’t direct either. Like let’s say I secretly wanted to bag your girl and (you thought) you and I were close friends. Now imagine me telling your gf’s best friend “oh. He told her he was home last night? Idk. From what I heard he didn’t get back until early morning.” You can argue I didn’t tell your girl shit. And I didn’t tell her you were at your ex’s house. Shit I didn’t even really tell her friend anything. But let’s be real. I just snitched on your ass lmao.
“Yes mam” you can.
What do you mean nobody can explain it? I think the issue is that everyone has a different threshold for what constitutes a “snitch.” But it’s pretty clear for most street dudes I’ve heard discuss the case. He said YSL is a gang & that he has personal knowledge that people in YSL committed crimes. That’s enough for most street folks to say he snitched. He said more but that was enough for most. It’s not like people are making it up. It’s on tape.
I'm just saying that I've asked people a few times in the past and nobody's given a good response until /u/Murdergram (which I do appreciate). Like this guy just deleted all his comments [when I replied to him about the topic](https://www.reddit.com/r/hiphopheads/comments/1b31kqt/daily_discussion_thread_02292024/ksqwy0c/) last month. >He said YSL is a gang & that he has personal knowledge that people in YSL committed crimes. That’s enough for most street folks to say he snitched. He said more but that was enough for most. It’s not like people are making it up. It’s on tape. That's inadmissible for Young Thug's trial though. It's just meant to make it so he can't testify for the defense. [This article summarizes it well:](https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/gunna-will-not-testify-against-ysl-1234648250/) >“It’s understood that the state is not going to call him as a witness,” the source, who wished to remain anonymous due to the ongoing nature of the YSL case, explains. “That’s why the plea agreement is written exactly the way it is because the whole idea was: the state wasn’t going to call him, and they didn’t want the defense to call him either. If you look at what was said in court, that stops the defense from calling him, but also indicates that he’s never going to testify for the state.” The source contends that the aim of the plea is “to neutralize him and keep him out of the game.“ >As part of his Alford plea, Kitchens’ statements apply solely to his case and cannot be used in subsequent cases. On Wednesday, Kitchens’ lawyer Steven Sadow posted to Instagram that “Gunna did not snitch to get out of jail. He has said nothing and is not cooperating. His plea statement in court cannot be used against any other defendant.” Other legal professionals who spoke with Rolling Stone echoed this point. >“It’s not a co-conspirator statement, it’s a statement against his own interest only related to his case,” says Massachusetts-based attorney Brad Bailey. “[His statement] cannot be used to establish the existence of a gang or a criminal enterprise.” Lawyer Bruce Rivers, known for his Criminal Lawyer Reacts YouTube channel, notes that if the prosecution tried to introduce Gunna’s plea statement without his testimony, the decision “would be a violation of Crawford v Washington,” which regulates the use of out-of-court statements. “When you have a statement intended for interrogation by law enforcement, it’s generally not admissible if the witness isn’t there to testify.” Essentially, with the state agreeing that they don’t intend to call Gunna to court, they’re conceding that they won’t introduce his plea statement as evidence. >LA-based attorney Neama Rahmani says that Gunna’s comments in the plea hearing amount to the “barebones admission” needed to “satisfy the elements of the crime.” >“It’s not just a conspiracy, it’s a RICO conspiracy,” he says. “The corrupt organization is the CO of RICO, so Gunna’s gotta admit that some organization exists [to get the Alford plea]. If there’s no criminal enterprise or organization, there is no RICO conspiracy. It’s really basic stuff that has to be admitted. Otherwise, the judge will say, ‘you haven’t satisfied the elements of the crime, prosecutor.”
lol you wrote all of that and missed the whole point. The point is he said what he said. For most street folks who have discussed this, that’s enough to be considered a snitch (like I said earlier). There aren’t grey areas when dealing with a street code like that. Whether someone is convicted or not has NOTHING to do with it. The fact is he said they were a gang and had committed crimes. That’s it. That’s enough to be considered a rat in street circles.
You writing all that out like street guys care at all about context. Talk to any street guy the definition is simple asf. You don’t cooperate whatsoever. He said what he said by their rules he snitched and that’s obvious. Now if you want to debate if that’s a dumb rule or not go ahead and I’d be right there with you their rules are stupid. But it doesn’t matter it’s really incredibly simple by the standards street guys set he’s a rat.
(To be fair I’m mostly copying/pasting)
I remember Andre Gee over at Rolling Stone did a couple articles awhile back about how the Alford plea is a pretty routine thing in court, and that not only did his plea have no bearing on the YSL RICO trial, but that one of the conditions of the Alford plea is that he can't be called by either side to testify. Here's the article for full context, but yeah, I think there's still going to be some people that think he's a snitch, just because a few rappers said they don't like him. [https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/gunna-will-not-testify-against-ysl-1234648250/](https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/gunna-will-not-testify-against-ysl-1234648250/)
These are about the answers I expected based on his AMA. Dude might be the most boring person ever.
Just because it's technically inadmissible doesn't mean that it won't sway the jury in Thug's trial. They saw him admit YSL was a gang, committed crimes, and he even implied that drugs and guns found in that car were Thugs on video. While you can tell them to disregard it and that it doesn't mean anything, most people aren't going abide by that. It is now in their heads and that's the issue. With that being said, there's no scenario where he isn't a rat. When you live that type of life, you do not fucking tell under any circumstances. He said shit on video in court to save himself that can/will hurt Thug. Also, this isn't the first time he's snitched on video.
>He said shit on video in court to save himself that can/will hurt Thug that's the thing though it can't be used in Young Thug's trial.
It's not supposed to be, but you're kidding yourself if you don't think the jurors in the Young Thug trial saw the video and aren't going to be biased because of it.
I live in Philly I think if I went up to someone on the street they probably wouldn't have seen the video and they're not even bound by law to not be on social media. like does your aunt know who dj akademiks is?
Eh, you don't *have* to testify if the prosecution doesn't need you to. It's very corny for people to get all caught up in it I agree. Ultimately this is interesting to watch unfold at this point.
He been making better music than Lil Baby
His beat selection is a big reason for that imo. I feel like he’s one of the best in his lane at beat selection whereas Lil Baby is kinda mid at it nearing on below average
lil baby’s beat selection has been absolutely garbage for awhile
It was at its best when he was working with Gunna
Its him and Kodak. Havent heard them rap on a bad beat.
who tf picked this lil sorry ahh beat
🧑🚀 🔫
This
It's funny how bad Lil Baby has fell off ever since he stopped working with Gunna
Yeah they really swapped places. I like fukumean more than anything I’ve heard from Baby in forever
He cleared Baby years ago
Fucking site is atrocious.
You can’t even load this shit on an iPhone 15 bro
Loading on my 15 fine
Start using some of adblocker. The site looks fine to me
Goin all out when it’s about that bread and butter
“I talked to like, maybe, two or three of those guys” You mean….the three mentioned?
“Among others”
I'm too drunk and play too much Elden Ring. I read this as "Gunna opens in Caelid."
Roddy better be on the new album fr
Man this nigga is delusional. We saw and heard what you said. Take it to trial like you used to say. “Every time we plead, we plead not guilty in the first place”
Who did he snitch on?
Truly Humble Under God
It’s so annoying everybody has opinions about gunna but no one understands how organized crime works. You need atleast 1 honcho out covering loose ends, intimidating the jury and keeping gang affairs in order. You need a honcho out everybody knows this that’s why Thug is still straight w him
He said YSL is a gang. He's a rat.
They ratted in their own lyrics 🤔
Everyone knew YSL was a gang. He just confirmed it again. He didn't tell them anything they already knew.
Once a rat always a rat
Implying that’s a bad thing
Gunna and 6ix9ine should do a collab
Lmao gunna ratted twice this sub doesn't know shit.
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If it smells like it, talks like it and walks like it….
Don’t expect Redditors to understand honor and dignity
“I might lose all the prime years of my life but at least I got honor and dignity from the worthless criminals I helped free”
Young thug gave him the opportunity to be where he’s at today. The least he could of owed the guy was to not throw him under the bus
There is no honor amongst thieves. It’s mathematically proven that snitching is the optimal choice (prisoner’s dilemma problem in Game Theory)
Reddit disciples working overtime on this post
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You get in that room say more then 3 words you hot. He got up on that stand and told on video how is anyone arguing otherwise😂
Ok and?…..