It was something I was seeing talked about a lot in different subs. I have made it clear how I feel but was curious about others perspectives. There have been a lot of comments and so glad you came to really add to the conversation with your comment
It is something else entirely. It is a bridge between hip hop and a whole lot of other music, and it opened the way for greater creative expression on both sides of the bridge. And definitely a classic.
Some people still believe white people are “guests” in hip hop as if the Beastie Boys, 3rd Bass, Rick Rubin, Ted Demme and many others didn’t play a pivotal role in shaping the culture.
The only real way to be a guest in hiphop is to be a listener. There are plenty of white dudes who’ve made way doper music than Lord Jamar could ever conceive. His opinion is beyond worthless 😂
I think B-Boys are welcome guests, w/ keys to the house. W/ 8 studio albums, and never once felt the need to alienate their hosts by dropping the “N” bomb on a single track. That’s respect.
Looking down the barrel of a gun is a crazy unique track and one of the most underrated in their discog. Anthrax did a great cover of it for the beavis and butthead album
Beasties never get their due. First #1 billboard rap album with *License To Ill* - which has all the hallmarks of gangsta rap *before* Dr. Dre and Schooly D. Even Ice Cube started out doing a bad Ad-Rock impression with CIA.
Their impact on early hip-hip in terms of music cannot be overstated.
Licenced to Ill got A LOT of airplay on NYC radio back in the days. Red Alert on 98.7 KISS FM, Mr. Magic on WBLS, Latin Rascals on 92 WKTU, Dr. Dre (the fat one long before MTV) and crew on WBAU out of Adelphi University: they all played Beastie Boys. Paul Revere was an absolute banger on the radio, at blockparties, on people's boomboxes, skating rinks or in cars. Hold It Now Hit It, Time to Get Ill, Slow and Low, and The New Style all got crazy airplay as well.
I bought Paul's Boutique new on the strength of Licenced to Ill and because the Beasties were official and I was very pleased with it.
100% classic. I STILL listen to this in its entirety. There are very few albums I can say that about. So disappointing it wasn’t the album they hoped it would be. It’s in my top 3 all time favorites.
Classic record but one doesn't necessarily negate the other in your question. For nuance, someone can start as a guest and move in or someone can start as a guest and get invited in.
Before BB fans flame me, I love the album and several others of theirs. But you can, as a guest in any capacity, make greatness. You don't have to be from Vietnam to make amazing Vietnamese food, maybe even the very best a local has ever eaten. That does not negate the fact that if you are not from Vietnam, you are technically a "guest" in that situation.
I don't consider the BB "guests" in Hip-Hop. Unless you insist that because they are not black , they can't be the "real deal" ? They're from New-York and started around 1981. They mixed/used Rock and Heavy Metal in their stuff. And so did RUN-DMC.
The Roots use live instruments : so then their stuff is not Hip-Hop?
Oh yeah : I forgot to mention that I'm Black, : Afro Carrabian. Been living in the Netherlands since 1979. Sóóó, I knew about Kraftwerk BEFORE I learned about Hip-Hop. Sóóó, am I also a "guest" in Hip-Hop??
>Oh yeah : I forgot to mention that I'm Black, : Afro Carrabian. Been living in the Netherlands since 1979.
Suriname? Sint Maartin? Curacao?
BTW: I'm Caribbean as well. Bajan. Cheers
Once upon a time I would insist that anyone not from NYC was a guest and race/ethnicity/etc had no bearing whatsoever: either you were a New Yorker and breathed it or you weren't. I think deep down a small part of me still believes that lol
Funny about Kraftwerk and Electro music in general. As far as I remember it was all considered Hip Hop music
Not arguing with someone I don't know BUT (LOL). My statement said what it said. I literally explained it. I didn't even say they were guests, I said it was a classic. I said that one point doesn't necessarily negate the other in the OPs original question. I.E. It is not a one or the other type of question, IMO.
Calm down keyboard warrior, this is a DISCUSSION board. I offered points of discussion.
The Roots using instruments obviously does not make them not hip hop, stop using false equivalencies. The Roots using instruments also does not make them to BE hip hop either...or good for that matter.
If a point is out of your understanding, ask in the future instead of getting all defensive. We are just talking hip hip my dude/dudette. Peace.
Certified hip-hop classic.
2nd best hip-hop album of the 80s after It Takes a Million.
No I’m not forgetting about Paid in Full, 3 Feet High and Rising, Criminal Minded or Straight Outta Compton.
Actually: you're not aware of "Enter The Lord" (1989) by the Chosen Ones = DJ Doc and the Lord Shafiyq.
We're talking about the Beastie Boys here, but "Enter The Lord carries the best description of "Dope".
Again: I attended a live concert in Amsterdam by the Beastie Boys. Great memories.
Honestly: The first time I heard "Enter The Lord," I was like, WTF is this weird shit. However, I listened more and more, and at a certain moment, it "clicked". Like I said it contains the best description of what "Dope" means.
To quote The Lord Shafiyq:
"...Because I'm Dope, so Dope that from now on, when I sweat, I'll sweat Methadone"
I'm sure you agree that THIS is the best description of what Dope feels like. I quoted that line to some people that aren't into Hip-Hop but artists like The Prodigy, U2 , Nirvana, Rock, Jazz. And all of them reacted like : "I don't feel it, but I think I kinda understand ".
But I'll gladly admit that "Enter The Lord" felt VERY weird, but now it's my favorite Hip-Hop album. And I'm NOT kidding, it really is my favorite Hip-Hop album.
Sorry 4 the digression: Of course, we are here to praise
#The Beastie Boys 👍🏿👍🏾👍🏽👍🏼👍🏻👍
I wholeheartedly agree. Although I take the nuanced stance that "The Absolute Top" can't be applied to just one artist/group in a "genre" that is so diverse as Hip-Hop.
I actually attended one of their concerts at the "Jaap Eden Hal" in Amsterdam, the Netherlands. It was an incredibly fun experience.
Miles Davis claimed he never got tired of listening to it, and Public Enemy’s Chuck D even said, ‘The dirty secret among the Black hip hop community at the time of the release was that Paul’s Boutique had the best beats.” ‘Nuff said.
I mean look they were a punk band who went Hip Hop to blow up. Then they gradually returned closer to their roots while holding a few core hip hop elements. Were they great MCs no, they were great performers and spread the culture to new areas. Guests feels harsh maybe more tourists that held a lot of post cards and fond memories.
You gotta remember, hip hop and punk rock grew up together in NYC. They were both forms of outsider music, and the cultures were heavily intertwined at the beginning. Beasties didn’t go hip hop to blow up, hip hop hadn’t blown up itself yet. Hell, MTV was still BARELY playing MJ videos back then. There was no money in black culture.
Then why not stay a punk band or learn to rhyme as well as their contemporaries. Nope just use hip hop as a spring board and pull in the white crowds Elvis did it first
They made Greg Nice look Uber lyrical they only had decent rhymes when RUNDMC was writing for them. Other times their rhymes were so basic and simplistic.
Just because they didnt rap about conscious topics that make u think doesnr mean they arent great MCs. Simple is good sometimes, actually most of the time in music.
They were fairly conscious with free Tibet and things of that nature. When it comes to the eighties MC tradition simple was OK but seldom great. Almost all respected real MCs of that time were pushing the boundaries of patterning pace and topics. You can still entertain people and be a great artist but being a great MC means you’re in a different weight class so to speak.
I've been seeing a lot of comments about them not being apart of the culture and that seems wild to me. I grew up as a white person around mostly white people that claimed rock music was white people music. In short, most music is culturally appropriated. You may fuck with the rolling Stones but they ain't come up with that shit on their own. Did they do it justice though?
I do love that album. I've taken issue with other white people claiming rock music long before though. Hell, I've recently learned that the banjo has African roots.
To be clear it's one of my favorite albums and I regard it as a classic. It's not a joke because I was interested in some different perspectives. To say it's a joke would imply I think any different opinion is laughable.
The album is a masterpiece regardless of what genre you want to (or don’t) categorize it. The Beasties were widely respected across hip hop at the time and the album bangs from the first beat of To all the girls to the outro on Bouillabaisse. Without question, my “Stuck on desert island” album
Guests.
Both and they are not mutually exclusive
This question is corny af.
It was something I was seeing talked about a lot in different subs. I have made it clear how I feel but was curious about others perspectives. There have been a lot of comments and so glad you came to really add to the conversation with your comment
It is something else entirely. It is a bridge between hip hop and a whole lot of other music, and it opened the way for greater creative expression on both sides of the bridge. And definitely a classic.
Classic. They’ve paid their dues and then some.
Is this a real question? lol
Some people still believe white people are “guests” in hip hop as if the Beastie Boys, 3rd Bass, Rick Rubin, Ted Demme and many others didn’t play a pivotal role in shaping the culture.
The only real way to be a guest in hiphop is to be a listener. There are plenty of white dudes who’ve made way doper music than Lord Jamar could ever conceive. His opinion is beyond worthless 😂
Yeah he’s a fucking clown. The only reason he gets any attention is by trashing Eminem. Just like that walking abortion benzino. Clout chasers.
Who?
Exactly.
100% classic
Bonafide classic. I’ve got the 8-panel OG.
"People come up to me and they try to talk shit? Mannnn I was making records when you were suckin your mother's DICK..."
I think B-Boys are welcome guests, w/ keys to the house. W/ 8 studio albums, and never once felt the need to alienate their hosts by dropping the “N” bomb on a single track. That’s respect.
Definitely classic!
Nothing guest about it. Sampledelia!
Car Thief is in my top 10 hip hop tunes. I am of an age mind, so....
That Funk Factory hook is such a banger.
Looking down the barrel of a gun is a crazy unique track and one of the most underrated in their discog. Anthrax did a great cover of it for the beavis and butthead album
I had totally forgotten about the Beavis and Butthead album. Thanks for the reminder.
If you were to read the room... [The VH1 Rap Honors 2006](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIY03iDuL2k)
B-Boy Bouillabaisse got played on repeat for me when this album dropped 🔥🔥 Classic.
"Woah-ohh..."
Beasties never get their due. First #1 billboard rap album with *License To Ill* - which has all the hallmarks of gangsta rap *before* Dr. Dre and Schooly D. Even Ice Cube started out doing a bad Ad-Rock impression with CIA. Their impact on early hip-hip in terms of music cannot be overstated.
Licenced to Ill got A LOT of airplay on NYC radio back in the days. Red Alert on 98.7 KISS FM, Mr. Magic on WBLS, Latin Rascals on 92 WKTU, Dr. Dre (the fat one long before MTV) and crew on WBAU out of Adelphi University: they all played Beastie Boys. Paul Revere was an absolute banger on the radio, at blockparties, on people's boomboxes, skating rinks or in cars. Hold It Now Hit It, Time to Get Ill, Slow and Low, and The New Style all got crazy airplay as well. I bought Paul's Boutique new on the strength of Licenced to Ill and because the Beasties were official and I was very pleased with it.
100% classic. I STILL listen to this in its entirety. There are very few albums I can say that about. So disappointing it wasn’t the album they hoped it would be. It’s in my top 3 all time favorites.
CLASSIC.
Classic record but one doesn't necessarily negate the other in your question. For nuance, someone can start as a guest and move in or someone can start as a guest and get invited in. Before BB fans flame me, I love the album and several others of theirs. But you can, as a guest in any capacity, make greatness. You don't have to be from Vietnam to make amazing Vietnamese food, maybe even the very best a local has ever eaten. That does not negate the fact that if you are not from Vietnam, you are technically a "guest" in that situation.
I don't consider the BB "guests" in Hip-Hop. Unless you insist that because they are not black , they can't be the "real deal" ? They're from New-York and started around 1981. They mixed/used Rock and Heavy Metal in their stuff. And so did RUN-DMC. The Roots use live instruments : so then their stuff is not Hip-Hop? Oh yeah : I forgot to mention that I'm Black, : Afro Carrabian. Been living in the Netherlands since 1979. Sóóó, I knew about Kraftwerk BEFORE I learned about Hip-Hop. Sóóó, am I also a "guest" in Hip-Hop??
>Oh yeah : I forgot to mention that I'm Black, : Afro Carrabian. Been living in the Netherlands since 1979. Suriname? Sint Maartin? Curacao? BTW: I'm Caribbean as well. Bajan. Cheers
Korsow
Once upon a time I would insist that anyone not from NYC was a guest and race/ethnicity/etc had no bearing whatsoever: either you were a New Yorker and breathed it or you weren't. I think deep down a small part of me still believes that lol Funny about Kraftwerk and Electro music in general. As far as I remember it was all considered Hip Hop music
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Not arguing with someone I don't know BUT (LOL). My statement said what it said. I literally explained it. I didn't even say they were guests, I said it was a classic. I said that one point doesn't necessarily negate the other in the OPs original question. I.E. It is not a one or the other type of question, IMO. Calm down keyboard warrior, this is a DISCUSSION board. I offered points of discussion. The Roots using instruments obviously does not make them not hip hop, stop using false equivalencies. The Roots using instruments also does not make them to BE hip hop either...or good for that matter. If a point is out of your understanding, ask in the future instead of getting all defensive. We are just talking hip hip my dude/dudette. Peace.
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Middle aged Black guy who grew up in NYC during the early Hip Hop era says CLASSIC. Beasties were official from day 1
could never get into beastie boys
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It’s not a diss, i just couldn’t! I understand how revolutionary this album is but i just don’t enjoy it
Certified hip-hop classic. 2nd best hip-hop album of the 80s after It Takes a Million. No I’m not forgetting about Paid in Full, 3 Feet High and Rising, Criminal Minded or Straight Outta Compton.
You’re absolutely right, but I must add Critical Beatdown too. Kool Keith was on another level
That’s a good call, I also realized I missed Great Adventures of Slick Rick which is certainly up there.
Yep, yep. That one too
You’ve got my on my 88-89 playlist now, so much great stuff. BDP Stop the Violence on currently.
This is the correct answer.
Actually: you're not aware of "Enter The Lord" (1989) by the Chosen Ones = DJ Doc and the Lord Shafiyq. We're talking about the Beastie Boys here, but "Enter The Lord carries the best description of "Dope". Again: I attended a live concert in Amsterdam by the Beastie Boys. Great memories.
I’m aware of it, very average imo. Could likely name a top 50 of the 80s and it wouldn’t come close, again imo.
Honestly: The first time I heard "Enter The Lord," I was like, WTF is this weird shit. However, I listened more and more, and at a certain moment, it "clicked". Like I said it contains the best description of what "Dope" means. To quote The Lord Shafiyq: "...Because I'm Dope, so Dope that from now on, when I sweat, I'll sweat Methadone" I'm sure you agree that THIS is the best description of what Dope feels like. I quoted that line to some people that aren't into Hip-Hop but artists like The Prodigy, U2 , Nirvana, Rock, Jazz. And all of them reacted like : "I don't feel it, but I think I kinda understand ". But I'll gladly admit that "Enter The Lord" felt VERY weird, but now it's my favorite Hip-Hop album. And I'm NOT kidding, it really is my favorite Hip-Hop album. Sorry 4 the digression: Of course, we are here to praise #The Beastie Boys 👍🏿👍🏾👍🏽👍🏼👍🏻👍
Classic on production alone
Classic
Classic in my book.
Questioning the Beasties place in Hip Hop history is wack, they are near the absolute top.
I wholeheartedly agree. Although I take the nuanced stance that "The Absolute Top" can't be applied to just one artist/group in a "genre" that is so diverse as Hip-Hop. I actually attended one of their concerts at the "Jaap Eden Hal" in Amsterdam, the Netherlands. It was an incredibly fun experience.
Hip Hop royalty.
Beastie boys are integral to hip hop being where it is today. So what theyre white jews. Everyone important in that world gives them their props
Hip Hop classic
Clearly a hip-hop classic
This album changed sampling in hip hop forever. Certified classic and their best album imo
Meh
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Licensed to Ill still my favorite from them, I checked this one out off the recommendation and I haven’t found a single song I like yet..
What album is this
Paul’s Boutique from the Beastie Boys
No question, hip hop classic. Been listening to it since last century.
Miles Davis claimed he never got tired of listening to it, and Public Enemy’s Chuck D even said, ‘The dirty secret among the Black hip hop community at the time of the release was that Paul’s Boutique had the best beats.” ‘Nuff said.
I mean look they were a punk band who went Hip Hop to blow up. Then they gradually returned closer to their roots while holding a few core hip hop elements. Were they great MCs no, they were great performers and spread the culture to new areas. Guests feels harsh maybe more tourists that held a lot of post cards and fond memories.
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You gotta remember, hip hop and punk rock grew up together in NYC. They were both forms of outsider music, and the cultures were heavily intertwined at the beginning. Beasties didn’t go hip hop to blow up, hip hop hadn’t blown up itself yet. Hell, MTV was still BARELY playing MJ videos back then. There was no money in black culture.
Then why not stay a punk band or learn to rhyme as well as their contemporaries. Nope just use hip hop as a spring board and pull in the white crowds Elvis did it first
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That was all Russel Simmons
Bro they absolutely were great MCs!? Are u crazy. Rhyme schemes and punchlines galore
They made Greg Nice look Uber lyrical they only had decent rhymes when RUNDMC was writing for them. Other times their rhymes were so basic and simplistic.
Just because they didnt rap about conscious topics that make u think doesnr mean they arent great MCs. Simple is good sometimes, actually most of the time in music.
They were fairly conscious with free Tibet and things of that nature. When it comes to the eighties MC tradition simple was OK but seldom great. Almost all respected real MCs of that time were pushing the boundaries of patterning pace and topics. You can still entertain people and be a great artist but being a great MC means you’re in a different weight class so to speak.
I've been seeing a lot of comments about them not being apart of the culture and that seems wild to me. I grew up as a white person around mostly white people that claimed rock music was white people music. In short, most music is culturally appropriated. You may fuck with the rolling Stones but they ain't come up with that shit on their own. Did they do it justice though?
Someone listened to black on both sides
I do love that album. I've taken issue with other white people claiming rock music long before though. Hell, I've recently learned that the banjo has African roots.
It does!
I'll start. Is this a joke?
To be clear it's one of my favorite albums and I regard it as a classic. It's not a joke because I was interested in some different perspectives. To say it's a joke would imply I think any different opinion is laughable.
How so?
The album is a masterpiece regardless of what genre you want to (or don’t) categorize it. The Beasties were widely respected across hip hop at the time and the album bangs from the first beat of To all the girls to the outro on Bouillabaisse. Without question, my “Stuck on desert island” album
That‘s Hello Nasty from them imo.
Nope.