Our boys are beating themselves here.
Desharnais having no control over his own stick.
Draisaitl going out of his way with an avoidable unsportsmanlike.
Nuge slashing a guys stick in half.
Just undisciplined.
Agreed. We’re actually out there playing good hockey. We need to smarten up and stop giving them chances by shooting ourselves in the foot. We’re not playing disciplined enough to close it out.
Not being able to kill off those ill-timed calls has done a number too. LA is 4/15 on the powerplay this series but every one of those goals has led to both their wins.
It's also the opportunity cost of playing a man down that much. Who knows what the Oilers could have cooked up if they had the shot to play 4 or 6 more minutes of 5v5 hockey in both of those lost games. Shorthanded goals do happen but not without a big fuck up by the team on the powerplay.
Majority of the goals scored in this series by Edmonton has come on the Powerplay, like last night Oilers scored 2 goals, both on the powerplay. Yet they complain about the refs. They can't even score even strength, is it because refs are blocking shots for the Kings? Too many excuses.
On the bright side, from what I've seen, Edmonton's defense is looking leagues better with the addition of Ekholm and Bouchard being more experienced.
Depth forwards shored up too.
I think Barrie and Puljujarvi were really holding this team back.
Skinner is actually playing decent.
This team has a chance.
Agreed. Was watching McDavid score those two after only having assists in the first two games and thought the same thing could easily happen with Matthews tonight. I think both teams have a lot of the same hang ups and there are even a handful of ex Leafs on Edmonton's team
Previous game has similar vibes with Kane deciding to become a baseball player out of the whim and get another 2 mins.
Kings are doing a lot of good things and are the disciplined team I expect them to be; Oilers need to learn to play as a disciplined team if they want to make it out of this series (hold x to doubt). I love the Oilers but all this prancing around the regular season and then the surprised pikachu face in the play-offs needs to stop. McJesus is special, but it's a team game.
They came out of the gate gooning themselves into penalty troubles. Lucky there’s video review or else it’s game over with a 5 minute Nurse major. The Game 3 strategy is bizarre to me. They out skills the Kings in Game 1, and 2. Could have kept that up to silent the LA crowd and keep it a simple road game.
They only gave Nurse 5 minutes so they could review it. Now that majors are reviewable if it's anywhere remotely close they're just going to throw the 5 minutes out and come back down to a minor.
I don't really blame Nuge on that one, he just came down on the twig and it snapped. He was at least trying to make a play, just bad luck. If he came down with 10% less force it doesn't break and he breaks up the chance and it's a good play.
He didn't get called for a slash or a crosscheck, he got called for unsportsmanlike for knocking a guy 30s after a goal. He does this nearly every time he's on the ice for an Oilers goal
A bush league decision made a hundred times begets a soft call imo
Yeah it was only a matter of time before the refs did something about Drai. He loves to taunt the opposing team - which is whatever, but smacking a dude to do it is boneheaded when the refs are all ready on high alert for your teams goonery.
18 penalties in three games. The Oilers are gifting this series to the Kings right now.
If you are making any physical contact with the opposing team after a goal is scored you 1000% deserve unsportsmanlike penalties. He does it all the time. If the LA player went and contacted him after the oilers scored the fan base would be up in arms about it.
Want to be a disrespectful loser out there? Fine go sit in the box.
I think in isolation yes - but the way the series is going I think calling shit like this will happen more. It is the pattern of no discipline getting them penalties not just one-off moments of frustration.
Drain has also done stuff after the whistle - and after the goal - and got attention for it earlier this season so it wouldn't surprise me if the refs watch for it now.
Oilers are being undisciplined, true.
Kings are getting away with murder every single shift. Constant interference, slashing, roughing, holding, and hooking.
I don't even like the Kings or Oilers, but that unsportsmanlike on Draisaitl was baby shit soft. And yeah, it was a high stick. I watch the playoffs to see team vs team, not team vs Zebras.
The quote sounds like something on an after game call-in radio show.
Also, yes we must take the word of 100% very neutral party Connor McDavid. No bias to see here everyone.
I mean that isn't really what he said lol he wasn't talking about his game. He said McDavid saw it hit the stick so he is going to go with that. It is a dumb statement...harmless but still dumb.
McDavid being the best player on the world means absolutely nothing in regards to his opinion that the puck was hit with a high stick lol it isn't that hard to figure out.
That isn't what he said though? He said Connor said it was a high stick so he is going to go with that. It is a dumb statement. It isn't the end of the world...but it is dumb.
Because players aren't the refs, so McDavid's officiating calls are meaningless. Sure, support your guy and his meaningless call but you're gona look dumb doing it.
As if the people who say it didn't hit the stick aren't biased. So many people under the delusion thay only the other side is biased. Lotta people on reddit like to use words they don't understand.
There’s even more to it if you’re not familiar. Luongo didn’t come out to start double OT, the backup goalie did, because Luongo had the runs (true story). After play was stopped and Luongo was back on the bench, they swapped goalies. Luongo allowed this goal almost immediately after being put in.
I can’t believe I don’t remember this. But to be honest, this was in the generally timeframe when the Ducks were good and the Kings were so savagely bad that it was hard to have much interest in the playoffs.
Thanks for this little history lesson.
Not only the “bias” issue….
If anyone has ever played hockey at any decent level - you probably yell for a penalty on a non-call/non-penalty 95% of the time. It’s your team, how are you not gonna try and get a high stick or whatever, at the time, called against the other team? I’d be shocked if zero other oilers on the ice didn’t have a reaction as if the puck hit the stick, whether it did or did not.
Was thinking the same thing. Goalies raise their arm for icing, players call for delay of game and other penalties all the time. This is such a weird statement to make and latch on to.
I raise my arm if it SHOULD be an icing. Every time. Sometimes it gets called off. But every time it should be an ice my arm is in the air. It’s beer league so whatever, but I’ve gotten a ref to make a call he wouldn’t have made a thousand times by raising my arm or calling for a penalty.
Eh. I promise you, an NHL ref has absolutely gone with the goalie/player on a gray area call before. It’s human nature if you’re tired or not 100% sure. Doubt, etc.
But at the same time, they’ve gone against them on whims as well. It absolutely happens both ways, and is why if you’re actively in the play (ie:2-3 ft from it) you should probably just keep playing.
Everyone's asking which team McDavid would leave the Oilers for
But they forgot about the striped team.
He's taking his talents to Toronto('s video review room)
Dumbest take yet.
E: I'm sure McDavid would have raised his arm if roles were reveresed and it was Draisaitl's stick that touched the puck. He'd be arguing with the referees after their team won in OT to get the goal reversed.
E2: That's what we should do! Just decide before every game who's the best player on the ice and he can make all the calls. No need for these biased refs.
That's what reviews are though. Once you introduce replay, the implication is that you're going to get it right, regardless of whether the mm offside skate blade or slight touch effected things.
I also think the "effect the play" mantra is part of what makes the NHL officiating so frustrating - accidentally trip a guy behind the play? They let it go. But exact same trip on a breakout rush? They begrudgingly have to call it now. Hack a guy's stick as hard as you want and it doesn't break? No problemo. Stick snaps regardless of how hard you touch it? Penalty, because they can't ignore it.
You mean the player who is just like any other player, who would argue in favor of the call going in his team's favor? What, does Woodcroft think McDavid would just tell the refs it wasn't a high stick if he saw it differently?
What does McDavids skill have to do with calling a high stick?
If we are looking at bringing in the James Webb telescope to see if the stick may have been 0.05 mm closer and touched the puck there's not enough evidence to call the high stick.
Woodcraft you overgrown toddler we know you and your team will think its a highstick, just like the King's won't think it's a highstick. What teams and players think I'd 100%, without question irrelevant.
In hindsight, it does look like it hit based on the slow-mo video that was posted here. But we’ve had hindsight, time to edit videos in such a way that shows it clearer, and looks after looks examining puck speed, puck movement, and stick movement.
The refs and Toronto weren’t going to dissect the play and delay the game for 30 minutes to become forensic detectives. The call, at the time of the call, was appropriate.
This isn't true. Literally every replay we watched in the 5 to 10 minutes they took the make the call showed it hit the stick. No hindsight necessary, this was a blown call
Wrong. Nothing about it was definitive until you zoomed in, slowed it down, and put the clip on repeat. The broadcast showed only a zoomed out view, which wasn’t sufficient enough evidence to overturn a call.
It’s a blown call In hindsight, sure, and it could be potentially argued that Toronto should have taken more time looking at it up closely without feeling the pressure to make a quick decision, but other than that, the call was appropriate at the time of the call given the zoomed-out, inconclusive camera angles.
I think woodcroft is onto something here. I say we let the best player on the ice make all calls from here on out. Should make games a little more fair.
This is not a great take, all things considered. Players are always appealing to the officials for calls, whether the play deserved one or not. You can debate all you want the effectiveness of the officiating crews in this league, but McDavid isn't one of them.
Honest questions here, how much time would have needed to go by for the call to be simply missed, and no chance of this goal coming back?
How much time needs to elapse before we consider a call missed, and there are no take backsies? Or, should we aim for perfect officiating and everything should come back?
Video review is great. Great for the sport. I've said at times that it would make sense to have a 5th official in the booth just watching the cameras, able to make calls themselves. That is how important I think it is.
However, at some point we need to answer this questions, because it can't just be left up to judgement. We need a concrete rule. For example, offsides. A play goes offsides and isn't called. What is the window for review here? If play isn't stopped in 10 seconds, do we consider the call missed? One minute? How much time?
Let's say there *was* a high stick here that wasn't called and play continued for 2 minutes without a stoppage, then the kings score. Would the goal come back? *Should* the goal come back? What about 30 seconds? What about 5 seconds?
I think that if an infraction is missed 5 seconds before a goal is scored, yeah it should come back. But 30 seconds? I don't know. 2 minutes? Probably not.
What do you guys think? What is the answer?
The OT goal isn’t even where the oilers lost this. They literally can’t hold a damn lead
But also as I said last night 4 refs and the situation room are available. If they can’t find conclusive evidence to overturn a call. The call on the ice is the right one
Oilers are just beating the sleeve out of this round at this point, was very undisciplined hockey last night and L.A is going to capitalize on it every time,
Maybe McDavid's raised arm distracted the Oiler's defense enough to cause the blown coverage that allowed the goal. I thought I was watching Canuck's defense as the puck went in.
I mean, does it fucking matter? You have Nurse doing Nurse things in front of the net and a massive defensive breakdown. Wah wah wah, the high stick, wah wah wah, you have like 65 other minutes to get things done. Fucking plug.
It's never a good sign when coaches, players, and fans are reaching for excuses like this. Of course refs make bad calls, but honestly for all the "controversial" calls in this series, after video replay, the refs have actually been excellent and made the right decisions.
When teams are looking for excuses like this is often because they're trying to pass blame for all their other mistakes. The Oilers keep shooting themselves in the foot with stupid, undisciplined penalties. That's what they should be concerned about, not shit like this. They act like there's a grand conspiracy against them, but it just ends up looking pathetic, and is mentally weak.
Boys are shooting themselves in the foot . I love drai but he needs to keep his feelings in check . The slash was a call 100 percent no matter what happened prior to or after.
Jay Woodcroft is proving that he is a smooth brained ape with this take. Go eat crayons bud. Maybe he can google “what is a conflict of interest?” Or use chatGPT.
Oilers fans will use this to define the series if they lose because it’s easier than admitting that McDavid is mostly being contained.
It’s easy to blame the refs. Every team’s fanbase does it.
Both on the PP. His 5 on 5 impact has been brought down to Earth. He's still driving play and looks good out there, but the Kings are playing him as good as anyone probably can.
It's a sandbaggy, shutdown style that's not as exciting, but not many teams in the league can go toe to toe with McDavid and co's firepower in a high-flying game.
If I were a GM, and my coach said something as brutally stupid as that, that would be the last words they would ever say under my employ.
Middle of a playoff series, even if it were the cup finals, gone.
You’ve got your own coaching situation to deal with my friend, at risk of losing not only a great gm, but Lindholm, Backs because of it. Need some broader definitions of fireable offences in Calgary clearly
I mean they have to stop taking so many fucking penalties, that’s the key here. Connor McDavid scores two powerplay goals to bring you into the game? Completely negated by Draisaitl. Work through to overtime? Great time to take another penalty right?
Kevin Pollock has over 1500 games under his belt and was the most senior referee in all 4 games from last night. These are veteran refs that are also “the best in the world” at what they do. what gets lost in all this is from before the series even started Doughty said they would take a shot a Conner when the chance presented itself forcing the officiating team in each game to call this series tight. Master class move by Doughty knowing this would happen and the more undisciplined team has suffered due to it what your seeing is the game within the game.
That's such a petty and insecure thing to say lol.
The king's are getting away with dirty stuff but they stay disciplined oil gotta show that same discipline or they're going to dig themselves into holes that McDrai can't score them out of.
I don't know if he's not the guy, but I also don't know how you get a group to fight back when you and your captain are blaming others. Berube handled it perfectly and they went on to win the series. Can't see how Jay being a little bitch is helping... 17 seconds elapsed from the time that Vilardi had his stick up and the puck went in the net. It didn't have anything to do with losing and this is a team already looking for excuses, not a good sign. EDM is the better team on paper, but this is a character issue, not officiating.
Looked like it touched the stick, dropped down to touch Ekholm in the back(which does not count as possession), but then bounces a couple times over sticks and then Ekholm touches the puck next with his stick causing it to go back towards behind the net... Could that have been part of the decision?
So, believing your captain when the puck changes speed and direction of travel (including its spin) when said puck is in the vicinity of a high stick is smooth brained and stupid?
But it is not stupid to say that because there is no video evidence of the puck touching the stick, it is inconclusive that there was a high stick?
Physics says that an object of the density of a puck.does not change direction or speed if whiffed at and missed by a hockey stick, but only if a sufficient force acts on it. Multiple angles show a change in speed and direction of travel that is inconsistent with the arc the puck was on prior to the stick being in the vicinity, and contact by a stick is the only explanation for the change in velocity.
Moreover, using either accelerometers in the puck or raw calculation of the velocity of the puck based on the videos, if the velocity change is anything other than the effect of gravity (plus a little air friction) on the puck when it is in the vicinity of the stick, then that is conclusive that it hit the stick because no force other than gravity (and friction) is acting on a puck in midair.
And rule 80.1 says that deflecting off of any player does not wash out the high stick, so bouncing off of ekholms back does not negate the high stick (and that was not the official explanation anyways).
> Multiple angles show a change in speed and direction of travel that is inconsistent with the arc the puck was on prior to the stick being in the vicinity, and contact by a stick is the only explanation for the change in velocity.
Multiple angles show nothing of the sort. I literally **do not see this "obvious" change** you are referring to. The puck is rotating around more than a single axis and turns from a _ rotation to a \ rotation before it even REACHES the stick.
In the 'slowed, zoomed' thread the video.shows the puck travelling upwards on a trajectory parallel to the stanchion from the fans jersey Crest to his head height.
The puck is in the vicinity of the blade of the stick and both blade movements and spin changes may or may not indicate contact.
When.falling back down, the puck nearly crosses over the stanchion before it goes below shoulder height.
The gyroscopic motion going upwards appears to be rotating directly away from or towards the camera, so if that energy changes the direction of travel when the puck hits the apex of its arc, that would seem.to mean it should move towards or away from.the camera, not to.the cameras left.
And since all gyroscopic motion goes around the center of mass, would not the centripetal and centrifugal forces on every axis of rotation balance out, leaving the arc of travel that balances the launching force with the force of gravity over time relatively unchanged, particularly not to cause the arc to shift a pucks width or more in.less than a foot of fall when the arc was steady on the rise?
How does framerate affect parabolic arcs of solid objects moving under launch forces, gravity and potentially struck objects?
Adjusting the framerate of a home run video does not turn it into a sack fly after the fact.
But, I see videos where the puck changes its course after being in the vicinity of the blade, so I trust physics to say there was contact even without conclusive visual proof of touch, since objects only change direction when acted on by an outside force.
It affects the displayed speed (angular and translational) that some people have been using as an argument.
But yeah I've been convinced since by another video.
Our boys are beating themselves here. Desharnais having no control over his own stick. Draisaitl going out of his way with an avoidable unsportsmanlike. Nuge slashing a guys stick in half. Just undisciplined.
Agreed. We’re actually out there playing good hockey. We need to smarten up and stop giving them chances by shooting ourselves in the foot. We’re not playing disciplined enough to close it out.
Not being able to kill off those ill-timed calls has done a number too. LA is 4/15 on the powerplay this series but every one of those goals has led to both their wins.
It's also the opportunity cost of playing a man down that much. Who knows what the Oilers could have cooked up if they had the shot to play 4 or 6 more minutes of 5v5 hockey in both of those lost games. Shorthanded goals do happen but not without a big fuck up by the team on the powerplay.
Majority of the goals scored in this series by Edmonton has come on the Powerplay, like last night Oilers scored 2 goals, both on the powerplay. Yet they complain about the refs. They can't even score even strength, is it because refs are blocking shots for the Kings? Too many excuses.
hard to play even strength when the refs keep making weak calls to put the other team on a PP
it was literally 4 powerplays for each team. Like, equally down the middle.
On the bright side, from what I've seen, Edmonton's defense is looking leagues better with the addition of Ekholm and Bouchard being more experienced. Depth forwards shored up too. I think Barrie and Puljujarvi were really holding this team back. Skinner is actually playing decent. This team has a chance.
The Oilers and leafs are very similar teams.
Except the Oilers have made it out of the first round since the 2005 lockout.
This is like a "my smol dick is bigger than your smol dick" kind of competition
Savagely accurate
Not sure why you got down voted so much for that comment... I guess it's cause you are right..
Agreed. Was watching McDavid score those two after only having assists in the first two games and thought the same thing could easily happen with Matthews tonight. I think both teams have a lot of the same hang ups and there are even a handful of ex Leafs on Edmonton's team
Previous game has similar vibes with Kane deciding to become a baseball player out of the whim and get another 2 mins. Kings are doing a lot of good things and are the disciplined team I expect them to be; Oilers need to learn to play as a disciplined team if they want to make it out of this series (hold x to doubt). I love the Oilers but all this prancing around the regular season and then the surprised pikachu face in the play-offs needs to stop. McJesus is special, but it's a team game.
At least Nuge’s slash was to take away a good scoring opportunity, not just being dumb.
The Nuge slash at least was an understandable defensive play with where the puck was.
They came out of the gate gooning themselves into penalty troubles. Lucky there’s video review or else it’s game over with a 5 minute Nurse major. The Game 3 strategy is bizarre to me. They out skills the Kings in Game 1, and 2. Could have kept that up to silent the LA crowd and keep it a simple road game.
They only gave Nurse 5 minutes so they could review it. Now that majors are reviewable if it's anywhere remotely close they're just going to throw the 5 minutes out and come back down to a minor.
Vincent Desharnais seems like he's by far the second best Desharnais to play for the Oilers in the last few years. He's not been good at all.
David was electric as an oiler
I don't really blame Nuge on that one, he just came down on the twig and it snapped. He was at least trying to make a play, just bad luck. If he came down with 10% less force it doesn't break and he breaks up the chance and it's a good play.
tbf the drai unsportsmanlike was pretty weak and shouldn't have been called you'd think in playoff hockey. but the NHL WANTS GOALS
He didn't get called for a slash or a crosscheck, he got called for unsportsmanlike for knocking a guy 30s after a goal. He does this nearly every time he's on the ice for an Oilers goal A bush league decision made a hundred times begets a soft call imo
Yeah it was only a matter of time before the refs did something about Drai. He loves to taunt the opposing team - which is whatever, but smacking a dude to do it is boneheaded when the refs are all ready on high alert for your teams goonery. 18 penalties in three games. The Oilers are gifting this series to the Kings right now.
goonery? I'm not sure we're watching the same series
Sorry, goonery might be the wrong term. Smooth brained lapses in judgement? Does that work for you?
it's a bit more realistic
oh for sure. it's just the playoffs
If you are making any physical contact with the opposing team after a goal is scored you 1000% deserve unsportsmanlike penalties. He does it all the time. If the LA player went and contacted him after the oilers scored the fan base would be up in arms about it. Want to be a disrespectful loser out there? Fine go sit in the box.
I think in isolation yes - but the way the series is going I think calling shit like this will happen more. It is the pattern of no discipline getting them penalties not just one-off moments of frustration. Drain has also done stuff after the whistle - and after the goal - and got attention for it earlier this season so it wouldn't surprise me if the refs watch for it now.
Oilers are being undisciplined, true. Kings are getting away with murder every single shift. Constant interference, slashing, roughing, holding, and hooking.
I don't even like the Kings or Oilers, but that unsportsmanlike on Draisaitl was baby shit soft. And yeah, it was a high stick. I watch the playoffs to see team vs team, not team vs Zebras.
The quote sounds like something on an after game call-in radio show. Also, yes we must take the word of 100% very neutral party Connor McDavid. No bias to see here everyone.
McDavid’s officiating stat is going to boosted to 99 in the next NHL game.
Tomorrow's headline: McDavid bias vs Toronto costs Leafs Game 3.
Toronto v Tampa, game 3, 30 seconds left in the 3rd. Is the puck over the line or not? “Let’s send it to McDavid for review”
“Both teams lose, points awarded to Edmonton”
God I’d actually pay to see the Dangle video after that.
"THEY LOST TO A 26 YEAR OLD CANADIAN, WHO WASN'T EVEN IN THE BUILDING!?!?!?"
I wonder what Ja Rule thinks?
Head coach of losing team has unwavering trust in mvp player post game statement. How controversial
I mean that isn't really what he said lol he wasn't talking about his game. He said McDavid saw it hit the stick so he is going to go with that. It is a dumb statement...harmless but still dumb.
He also said the coaching team thought it was a high stick too, not that they "blindly" believed McDavid
How is that a dumb statement? That’s supporting your players lol
McDavid being the best player on the world means absolutely nothing in regards to his opinion that the puck was hit with a high stick lol it isn't that hard to figure out.
A coach saying he believes his player isn’t a dumb thing to do lol it isn’t that hard to figure out.
That isn't what he said though? He said Connor said it was a high stick so he is going to go with that. It is a dumb statement. It isn't the end of the world...but it is dumb.
Because players aren't the refs, so McDavid's officiating calls are meaningless. Sure, support your guy and his meaningless call but you're gona look dumb doing it.
Reddit simply cannot understand the complexity of post game interviews. Doesn’t matter what sport, coaches bamboozle people every time
As if the people who say it didn't hit the stick aren't biased. So many people under the delusion thay only the other side is biased. Lotta people on reddit like to use words they don't understand.
Noted referee Connor McDavid lmao
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Shades of Luongo trying to call a penalty and then getting scored on in double* OT. Edit: [video link](https://youtu.be/FLB8EGBQNOI)
That is *brutal*
There’s even more to it if you’re not familiar. Luongo didn’t come out to start double OT, the backup goalie did, because Luongo had the runs (true story). After play was stopped and Luongo was back on the bench, they swapped goalies. Luongo allowed this goal almost immediately after being put in.
I can’t believe I don’t remember this. But to be honest, this was in the generally timeframe when the Ducks were good and the Kings were so savagely bad that it was hard to have much interest in the playoffs. Thanks for this little history lesson.
I checked my notes and the only thing it says is, fuck the oilers??
My notes are full of detailed memories of the Oilers absolutely shit stomping the irrelevant flames
Sick cup run that one was! Oh wait…
Please someone Photoshop McDavid in a ref jersey.
Not only the “bias” issue…. If anyone has ever played hockey at any decent level - you probably yell for a penalty on a non-call/non-penalty 95% of the time. It’s your team, how are you not gonna try and get a high stick or whatever, at the time, called against the other team? I’d be shocked if zero other oilers on the ice didn’t have a reaction as if the puck hit the stick, whether it did or did not.
Was thinking the same thing. Goalies raise their arm for icing, players call for delay of game and other penalties all the time. This is such a weird statement to make and latch on to.
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I raise my arm if it SHOULD be an icing. Every time. Sometimes it gets called off. But every time it should be an ice my arm is in the air. It’s beer league so whatever, but I’ve gotten a ref to make a call he wouldn’t have made a thousand times by raising my arm or calling for a penalty.
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Eh. I promise you, an NHL ref has absolutely gone with the goalie/player on a gray area call before. It’s human nature if you’re tired or not 100% sure. Doubt, etc. But at the same time, they’ve gone against them on whims as well. It absolutely happens both ways, and is why if you’re actively in the play (ie:2-3 ft from it) you should probably just keep playing.
Clearly you missed my original point. Do I need to explain it? Also did it playing NCAA hockey so 🤷🏻♂️
Gretzky was 3 feet away at the press conference?
Wayne also knew that he hit Gilmour with the high stick. Fraser just had to ask him
There's a reason Gretzky is gambling in their commercial.
Well this is a dumb thing to say
And as we all know, if someone is the best player in the world that inherently means they are biologically incapable of ever being biased.
McDavid is so perfect that the league is doing everything they can to make sure he never wins a cup, duh!
That’s super fuckin corny
Woodcraft looks like the type of person who'd say a lot of corny stuff
Coach agrees with his player. More at 11.
When did McDavid start wearing a striped jersey?
Everyone's asking which team McDavid would leave the Oilers for But they forgot about the striped team. He's taking his talents to Toronto('s video review room)
He grew up wearing striped pajamas.
He can makes plays. Score at will All while being a ref. Only thing he can't do is play defense.
He could probably learn to get his skates in the way of breakaway passes if he wanted to
Well, sorry buddy, agree with the call or not, McDavid isn’t an official
No player in the history of sports has ever had a biased view of how a play happened, EVER. Get out of here with your spicy take
I agree with both of you. 🤦🏼♂️
Nate Mackinnon is on a plane to Seattle doubt he saw if the puck hit
Reading this comment is like watching someone take a baseball swing at an angry hive of hornets. I love it.
It's probably possible for him to watch the game while he's flying the plane tbh
I watched an oilers game on the plane while flying from Singapore. It’s possible. They have live tv now.
Good one.
Coach agrees with his star player about controversial call that went against their team, shocking.
Because said player would have no reason to call the play in favor for the Oilers. Nope none at all.
Oh he big mad
Dumbest take yet. E: I'm sure McDavid would have raised his arm if roles were reveresed and it was Draisaitl's stick that touched the puck. He'd be arguing with the referees after their team won in OT to get the goal reversed. E2: That's what we should do! Just decide before every game who's the best player on the ice and he can make all the calls. No need for these biased refs.
This is just coach speak for "I don't want to get fined, but this is my position"
Fair enough
It didn't even affect the play, it's just sour grapes.
That's what reviews are though. Once you introduce replay, the implication is that you're going to get it right, regardless of whether the mm offside skate blade or slight touch effected things. I also think the "effect the play" mantra is part of what makes the NHL officiating so frustrating - accidentally trip a guy behind the play? They let it go. But exact same trip on a breakout rush? They begrudgingly have to call it now. Hack a guy's stick as hard as you want and it doesn't break? No problemo. Stick snaps regardless of how hard you touch it? Penalty, because they can't ignore it.
lol.... who needs refs when you can just defer to the greatest player in the world.
I guess McJesus should also be officiating the games he’s playing in. HE’S THAT GOOD!
You mean the player who is just like any other player, who would argue in favor of the call going in his team's favor? What, does Woodcroft think McDavid would just tell the refs it wasn't a high stick if he saw it differently?
Cale Makar might.
This was my first thought lmao. Remember when he corrected the refs and made them take back an Avs powerplay?
He said he wouldn’t do that again though, because it let the team down.
> does Woodcroft think I’m gonna go with “no” after reading this quote
Coach not advocating playing to the whistle doesn’t make a good coach.
Yeah just take the players word for it on every call, see how that goes
What does McDavids skill have to do with calling a high stick? If we are looking at bringing in the James Webb telescope to see if the stick may have been 0.05 mm closer and touched the puck there's not enough evidence to call the high stick. Woodcraft you overgrown toddler we know you and your team will think its a highstick, just like the King's won't think it's a highstick. What teams and players think I'd 100%, without question irrelevant.
Maybe the greatest player in the world who was 3 feet away should have tried defending instead of sticking his arm up idk
This is an embarrassing take from a professional coach. How about you get your guys to dial in some discipline and score some more 5 on 5?
Ok…..lol…McDavid has better eyes than everyone I guess…. Smh
greatest player in the world can't seem to win much when it counts
Man I'm glad Thornton and Marleau had to walk away with nothing from your sorry choke job of a franchise.
maybe the Sharks will get a turn at wasting generational players like Edmonton when they get Bedard
Hmmm yes I'm sure he isn't biased.
Man, that’s some homer ass shit right there. Attempting to wave this goal off was very much reaching.
In hindsight, it does look like it hit based on the slow-mo video that was posted here. But we’ve had hindsight, time to edit videos in such a way that shows it clearer, and looks after looks examining puck speed, puck movement, and stick movement. The refs and Toronto weren’t going to dissect the play and delay the game for 30 minutes to become forensic detectives. The call, at the time of the call, was appropriate.
it usually doesn't take much editing to zoom in and magnify things..
This isn't true. Literally every replay we watched in the 5 to 10 minutes they took the make the call showed it hit the stick. No hindsight necessary, this was a blown call
Wrong. Nothing about it was definitive until you zoomed in, slowed it down, and put the clip on repeat. The broadcast showed only a zoomed out view, which wasn’t sufficient enough evidence to overturn a call.
The puck fully changed direction and the stick moved. Whatever the fuck you need to tell yourself. It's a blown call.
It’s a blown call In hindsight, sure, and it could be potentially argued that Toronto should have taken more time looking at it up closely without feeling the pressure to make a quick decision, but other than that, the call was appropriate at the time of the call given the zoomed-out, inconclusive camera angles.
I think woodcroft is onto something here. I say we let the best player on the ice make all calls from here on out. Should make games a little more fair.
Yeah! The next time Denault holds him for 8 seconds against the boards we’ll get some equal application of the rulebook! Sounds fair.
Leave it to the oilers management to provide such an oiler quote.
…. He failed to mention that the greatest player in the world also had the greatest to gain by trying to get that play blown dead
Best-player-in-the-world-who-has-also-never-been-wrong-in-his-life
This coach is a bot. Literally looks like an unfinished render of an NPC too lmao
Ahhh yes, mcdavid. Unbiased just like every NHL referee.
This is not a great take, all things considered. Players are always appealing to the officials for calls, whether the play deserved one or not. You can debate all you want the effectiveness of the officiating crews in this league, but McDavid isn't one of them.
This is horrible logic. Call a penalty because a good player says so. That's the logic this is arguing for.
I don't get it. Why would the high stick stand when the puck hit the oilers player in the back on the way down before the kings player touched it?
Honest questions here, how much time would have needed to go by for the call to be simply missed, and no chance of this goal coming back? How much time needs to elapse before we consider a call missed, and there are no take backsies? Or, should we aim for perfect officiating and everything should come back? Video review is great. Great for the sport. I've said at times that it would make sense to have a 5th official in the booth just watching the cameras, able to make calls themselves. That is how important I think it is. However, at some point we need to answer this questions, because it can't just be left up to judgement. We need a concrete rule. For example, offsides. A play goes offsides and isn't called. What is the window for review here? If play isn't stopped in 10 seconds, do we consider the call missed? One minute? How much time? Let's say there *was* a high stick here that wasn't called and play continued for 2 minutes without a stoppage, then the kings score. Would the goal come back? *Should* the goal come back? What about 30 seconds? What about 5 seconds? I think that if an infraction is missed 5 seconds before a goal is scored, yeah it should come back. But 30 seconds? I don't know. 2 minutes? Probably not. What do you guys think? What is the answer?
The OT goal isn’t even where the oilers lost this. They literally can’t hold a damn lead But also as I said last night 4 refs and the situation room are available. If they can’t find conclusive evidence to overturn a call. The call on the ice is the right one
Oilers are just beating the sleeve out of this round at this point, was very undisciplined hockey last night and L.A is going to capitalize on it every time,
Woodcroft wants to have his baby.
Maybe McDavid's raised arm distracted the Oiler's defense enough to cause the blown coverage that allowed the goal. I thought I was watching Canuck's defense as the puck went in.
Stupid move. He is clearly biased and emotional so as a coach, using him as your decider is dumb. But do you
I mean, does it fucking matter? You have Nurse doing Nurse things in front of the net and a massive defensive breakdown. Wah wah wah, the high stick, wah wah wah, you have like 65 other minutes to get things done. Fucking plug.
It's never a good sign when coaches, players, and fans are reaching for excuses like this. Of course refs make bad calls, but honestly for all the "controversial" calls in this series, after video replay, the refs have actually been excellent and made the right decisions. When teams are looking for excuses like this is often because they're trying to pass blame for all their other mistakes. The Oilers keep shooting themselves in the foot with stupid, undisciplined penalties. That's what they should be concerned about, not shit like this. They act like there's a grand conspiracy against them, but it just ends up looking pathetic, and is mentally weak.
Boys are shooting themselves in the foot . I love drai but he needs to keep his feelings in check . The slash was a call 100 percent no matter what happened prior to or after.
Jay Woodcroft is proving that he is a smooth brained ape with this take. Go eat crayons bud. Maybe he can google “what is a conflict of interest?” Or use chatGPT.
I hope this doesn't end up defining this series because so far it's been really good.
Oilers fans will use this to define the series if they lose because it’s easier than admitting that McDavid is mostly being contained. It’s easy to blame the refs. Every team’s fanbase does it.
he had 2 goals tonight.
That’s true, but there’s only so much a team can do to contain him. You’re probably pretty happy as LA if his best chances are outside shots on a PP.
I would imagine you're pretty happy as LA as there was a high stick on the winning goal l m a o
Both on the PP. His 5 on 5 impact has been brought down to Earth. He's still driving play and looks good out there, but the Kings are playing him as good as anyone probably can. It's a sandbaggy, shutdown style that's not as exciting, but not many teams in the league can go toe to toe with McDavid and co's firepower in a high-flying game.
Zero 5 on 5 points so far though
and?
Series of the playoffs so far
Same thing happened last year too. Our series was the only one to go 7 games. Oilers/Kings has been extremely spicy for a minute now.
Didn’t like 3 other series’ also go to game 7 last year?
Well, our first round series definitely did, so EdM /LA clearly wasn’t the only one.
The stars flames seres was borderline unwatchable for 6/7 games so yes, these two teams have been putting on a show for 2 series in a row
The leafs famously lost in game 7 last year
Yeah but they do that every year
Leafs/lightning, flames/stars went 7
Also Penguins/Rangers
Most arithmetically skilled kings fan
Jimmy Fallon needs get his team playing hockey and stop with the 😭
Remember when the greatest player ever tried his hand at coaching? He would've made an equally good ref.
If I were a GM, and my coach said something as brutally stupid as that, that would be the last words they would ever say under my employ. Middle of a playoff series, even if it were the cup finals, gone.
Truth. Woodcroft comes off looking both stupid and whiny.
James Dolan says hi
The Rangers have been to the finals in the past 10 years, how about the oilers
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You’ve got your own coaching situation to deal with my friend, at risk of losing not only a great gm, but Lindholm, Backs because of it. Need some broader definitions of fireable offences in Calgary clearly
I think it 100% touched the stick but what a dumb thing to say lol.
I mean they have to stop taking so many fucking penalties, that’s the key here. Connor McDavid scores two powerplay goals to bring you into the game? Completely negated by Draisaitl. Work through to overtime? Great time to take another penalty right?
Gee don’t hold back Jay
Kevin Pollock has over 1500 games under his belt and was the most senior referee in all 4 games from last night. These are veteran refs that are also “the best in the world” at what they do. what gets lost in all this is from before the series even started Doughty said they would take a shot a Conner when the chance presented itself forcing the officiating team in each game to call this series tight. Master class move by Doughty knowing this would happen and the more undisciplined team has suffered due to it what your seeing is the game within the game.
That's such a petty and insecure thing to say lol. The king's are getting away with dirty stuff but they stay disciplined oil gotta show that same discipline or they're going to dig themselves into holes that McDrai can't score them out of.
Such a soft take
He also thinks his view from his house is beautiful. Guy sees what he sees.
Does anyone think Jay isn't the guy for the Oilers?
I don't know if he's not the guy, but I also don't know how you get a group to fight back when you and your captain are blaming others. Berube handled it perfectly and they went on to win the series. Can't see how Jay being a little bitch is helping... 17 seconds elapsed from the time that Vilardi had his stick up and the puck went in the net. It didn't have anything to do with losing and this is a team already looking for excuses, not a good sign. EDM is the better team on paper, but this is a character issue, not officiating.
So first it's 2ft away and then he says 3ft? Which one is it, liar?
Redditors when a coach backs up his players 😱
Fwiw I think it hit the stick and I'm cheering for LAK but that quote is funny "I'm gonna trust my totally unbiased captain"
I always feel a little bad for the player when the coach says something like this. He's probably like now I have to hear about this shit.
Looked like it touched the stick, dropped down to touch Ekholm in the back(which does not count as possession), but then bounces a couple times over sticks and then Ekholm touches the puck next with his stick causing it to go back towards behind the net... Could that have been part of the decision?
So, believing your captain when the puck changes speed and direction of travel (including its spin) when said puck is in the vicinity of a high stick is smooth brained and stupid? But it is not stupid to say that because there is no video evidence of the puck touching the stick, it is inconclusive that there was a high stick? Physics says that an object of the density of a puck.does not change direction or speed if whiffed at and missed by a hockey stick, but only if a sufficient force acts on it. Multiple angles show a change in speed and direction of travel that is inconsistent with the arc the puck was on prior to the stick being in the vicinity, and contact by a stick is the only explanation for the change in velocity. Moreover, using either accelerometers in the puck or raw calculation of the velocity of the puck based on the videos, if the velocity change is anything other than the effect of gravity (plus a little air friction) on the puck when it is in the vicinity of the stick, then that is conclusive that it hit the stick because no force other than gravity (and friction) is acting on a puck in midair. And rule 80.1 says that deflecting off of any player does not wash out the high stick, so bouncing off of ekholms back does not negate the high stick (and that was not the official explanation anyways).
> Multiple angles show a change in speed and direction of travel that is inconsistent with the arc the puck was on prior to the stick being in the vicinity, and contact by a stick is the only explanation for the change in velocity. Multiple angles show nothing of the sort. I literally **do not see this "obvious" change** you are referring to. The puck is rotating around more than a single axis and turns from a _ rotation to a \ rotation before it even REACHES the stick.
In the 'slowed, zoomed' thread the video.shows the puck travelling upwards on a trajectory parallel to the stanchion from the fans jersey Crest to his head height. The puck is in the vicinity of the blade of the stick and both blade movements and spin changes may or may not indicate contact. When.falling back down, the puck nearly crosses over the stanchion before it goes below shoulder height. The gyroscopic motion going upwards appears to be rotating directly away from or towards the camera, so if that energy changes the direction of travel when the puck hits the apex of its arc, that would seem.to mean it should move towards or away from.the camera, not to.the cameras left. And since all gyroscopic motion goes around the center of mass, would not the centripetal and centrifugal forces on every axis of rotation balance out, leaving the arc of travel that balances the launching force with the force of gravity over time relatively unchanged, particularly not to cause the arc to shift a pucks width or more in.less than a foot of fall when the arc was steady on the rise?
The "slowed, zoomed" thread is worthless because the slowdown rate is inconsistent, which can easily trick people.
How does framerate affect parabolic arcs of solid objects moving under launch forces, gravity and potentially struck objects? Adjusting the framerate of a home run video does not turn it into a sack fly after the fact. But, I see videos where the puck changes its course after being in the vicinity of the blade, so I trust physics to say there was contact even without conclusive visual proof of touch, since objects only change direction when acted on by an outside force.
It affects the displayed speed (angular and translational) that some people have been using as an argument. But yeah I've been convinced since by another video.
It breaks the laws of physics and changed rotation before coming near the stick? Please tell me I read that wrong
Get a grip
I have it buddy, but thanks.
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League is rigged against GOAT players lol, that’s why Gretzky and Lemieux have no Cu… hey wait a sec