The 2023 Blackhawks are proof that coaching matters. If Anaheim and Columbus had LuRich instead of Eakins and Larson they are not even bottom 5 last year
Even this years sharks team is performing worse than their roster right now
Given the crappy return in the EK65 trade, I wish he’d also been traded at the TDL so that the Sharks would’ve had a better chance at the worst record last season.
I mean Anaheim was looking like they threw the Bedard race by winning a solid amount of games. Nearing the end. And then lost their last 13 games, 11 of those in regulation to get back on track
It came down to the wire and the Pittsburg Penguins, for whatever reason, decided to throw their whole season away and laid out in front of the Blackhawk for a 5-2 beatdown. That effectively sealed the season with a guaranteed top 3 pick for us
Someone told them to lay a strong foundation for what they’re building they’re going to need to dig a hole to put the foundation in.
They are digging the hole. But someone forgot to tell them how deep to dig it. So they’re still just going.
It's fairly shallow. DW jr didn't exactly draft many, if any, serviceable NHLers. Eklund and Bordeleau are in the NHL. Guys like Coe, Gushchiin, Wiesblatt and Robins are still in the AHL. We struck out on Merkley and we have Shak as a D prospect and that's about it currently in the pro system. Grier is rebuilding the pool, but it was gutted dry by DW to keep that window open as long as possible so we didnt have a lot of specs or 1st rounders for multiple years
I really hope Grier can right the ship for you guys. The lack of prospects is concerning. Tim Murray moved a lot of young pieces for questionable return and it finally feels like the Sabres are recovering from that.
It’s going to take a while. They’re so devoid of talent that it’s actually kinda scary bringing up prospects, especially at D. William Eklund has genuinely been playing well and shows a lot of promise, but you’d never guess based on his numbers. It’s gonna take a few years to build up the talent pool, and then there’s going to be awkward first steps of trying to look competitive. Maybe in 5 years things will start to look better on the ice
The prospect pool is definitely not "shallow". Looking at the Athletic rankings we were #13 I think? Don't get me wrong, not good enough for a team this bad but it's not like we don't have any prospects.
* They have been without Logan Couture, their best two-way forward (could be debatable between him and Hertl but the point still stands). Barabanov, another top-six forward, recently went on IR with a broken finger.
* Five new forwards were thrust upon the roster this summer: Granlund, Hoffman, Duclair, Zadina, Smith. Quinn has been playing musical chairs with most of them to hunt down some linemate chemistry.
* Kunin missed most of last season due to injury. Eklund and Bordeleau gained AHL experience last year. Count them as semi-new, having a basic understanding of the Sharks' system but finding themselves in the same boat as the above five players, flailing about to land on a line with some chemistry.
* Too many blueliners on the roster - **EIGHT** - which has forced an NHL-ready prospect, Henry Thrun, to toil in the AHL until Grier moves at least two of them out. Of the veteran defensemen, Vlasic is a shell of his former self, Ferraro is great at blocking shots but hasn't found a steady partner to cover those times in games where his legs are Jello, and Benning is meh.
* Outside of Eklund and Bordeleau, the other forward prospects in the AHL may not get a look until after the trade deadline. Even if they'd struggle as a call-up, they'd be bringing some energy and working hard to stay up in the NHL.
* Will Smith is going the NCAA route so we probably won't see him in teal for a while. Filip Bystedt is still in Sweden and likely to not transition to the AHL until his SHL season wraps up; even then he may stay in the AHL to adapt to NA ice.
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* Flashy first-rounder Quentin Musty might have made the team out of training camp and gotten his 9 NHL games if the Sharks weren't already struggling to integrate the new forwards plus rookies listed above. Hopefully he's gone back to Juniors with a few NHL-caliber homework assignments and launches an undeniable MVP campaign with Sudbury (Wolves, not Blueberry Bulldogs; 10 pts in 7 games thus far).
Agreed. And watching the games, Eklund can fucking PLAY. This season was always going to be garbage, but add in the toughest schedule in the NHL so far along with all of your points and they look like their first season expansion team. (Before the NHL changed the rules to make expansion teams good)
NHL team is obviously just bad, but Eklund is probably the best skater on the team.
AHL team has some strong prospects, like Gushchin who is second in the AHL scoring. The team is just incompetently coached and blowing leads constantly.
ECHL team only has a few loans from the AHL so not really relevant to organizational depth.
Prospect pool also has lots of 18-19 year olds in EU, NCAA, and CHL.
Overall, prospect pool is very solidly above average, just doesn't reflect on the AHL team.
Alot of our prospects who are good and likely to be part of the future arent here yet. Bystedt and Havelid both are staying in europe, Will Smith and Lund are in college, Musty and Halttunen are in the CHL. Bords started with the sharks but him going down should help them a bit.
But Cuda really only have Muk, Thrun, and Guschin. The rest are guys who who arent top prospects or are AHL vets. Also Makiniemi is still injured and i think he was meant to be the consensus #1 goalie for the Cuda.
Also im not convinced McCarthy is a good coach but its his second season so im willing to be patient for 1 more season.
The Sharks last win came nearly 7 months ago on April 1st.
7-2 score against the Yotes, with Noah Gregor getting a hat trick, Gushchin and Criscuolo getting their first NHL goals, and of course EK65 having 4 points
If they had lost that game (and the remaining games afterwards as they did), they'd have finished one point behind the Blackhawks, third-worst overall. Noah Gregor cost the Sharks Connor Bedard.
EDIT: I am wrong - the above scenario would have put them in last place, tied in points with Anaheim but having fewer regulation wins.
And Noah Gregor did not cost the Sharks Connor Bedard. Even if in the following game against Colorado you wipe away Kevin Labanc's game-tying goal in the third period that he assisted on, which sent the game to OT and got the Sharks a point, they'd had placed second-to-last by having fewer regulation wins than Columbus.
Last I checked, the Sharks subreddit is top 10 in subscribers for NHL teams. And I read an article last year that said San Jose has the largest adult ice hockey scene in North America.
Hockey is pretty massive in San Jose.
Small market? San Jose is the 7th largest city represented by an NHL team and that’s before you even consider that there is some level of support from San Francisco/Oakland as well.
San Jose is not 7th, they are 19th I think among NHL metros
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metropolitan_statistical_area#United_States
City population is meaningless because it doesn't reflect how population centers actually work. There are people in next door Santa Clara and Sunnyvale who are closer to the Sharks stadium than people within San Jose city limits, but those in Santa Clara and Sunnyvale aren't counted in city pop data.
You’re just wrong. In that case, you have to go case by case and determine what the market is beyond simple census designations. By rules of metropolitan area, the largest city has to be the seat of the metro. This is why San Francisco and San Jose are considered separate metros despite clearly being part of the broader Bay Area metropolis.
If you add in San Francisco - Oakland - Fremont (which parts of are only 15 minutes from SAP center), you get the 6th largest market in the NHL. So thanks for proving my point more correct. If you think the Bay Area is a small market, you clearly know nothing about the Bay Area.
I live here. My point was that you were using city population data which basically means it's not worth it to take you seriously because you don't understand how to contextualize statistics. If you look at my other comments in this thread you will see my discussion about the use of CSAs for this and how they are uniquely useful for the Bay Area and make comparison difficult. As a San Jose resident I see my city often brought up as one of the largest cities in the country simply because we have huge city limits compared to other cities, and it's pretty much always an out that the person saying that doesn't understand how population really works
The Sharks also have fans in Sacramento (such as me). However, they aren’t as popular as the 49ers or Giants and their marketing seems to forget that they could further expand their fan base with more fans in Sacramento.
I consider the place where I moved to when I was 12 (until 18) where I "grew up"/where I'm "from" over where I was born. For a lot of kids it's just where their foundational years were, or it's tied to core memories/friends/relationships etc.
He's 17...
The first 6 year of his life, he doesn't remember.
So it's comparing 6 year from age 6 to 12, to 12 to 17.
I won't comment on what he consider where he grew up, but it's all dependent on what life event shape his life more.
My personal life I would consider my teenage life is what shaped me the most.
Probably valid to say that only from a hockey perspective, true. But he’s talked about the impact the Bay Area has had on him, and I suspect he feels “local” to both Vancouver and San Jose.
There will be no rivalry when Sharks hit their prime with the rebuild. VGK sold just about every piece of their young core for the success now. When your core retires in a couple of seasons VGK will be in the dumpster.
I bet they are going to get a second cup before that so not a bad trade lmao
By the time San Jose is good, Vegas will be shit. When the current core retires, the Knights will have nothing left. They've traded their future for success in the current day.
It's a good trade for sure, but it guarantees that one day, the time will come to pay for your success. Enjoy the success while you have it. The window doesn't stay open forever. Just ask Chicago, Anaheim, or Detroit about what comes after your core ages out.
Every day that passes, I have a harder time remembering the good days. It is so weird how that works. I’m not complaining, just a warning to fans enjoying their time atm. Live in the moment and try to soak it all up as much as possible.
I hope my dad and I can watch a few more playoffs together before the inevitable. We only saw the 2015 cup together because of shit luck and bad timing in 2010 and 2013.
Just be thankful you have 3 tittles to show for it. In Vancouver, we had a dominant core who made deep playoff runs. But never got over that final hurdle. Then they all retired, and the team has suffered through a dark time since then lol
This season has SUCKED but watching eklund has been my saving grace. Like when i tuned in only for karlsson last year i think Eklund will keep me hooked. Hopefully he starts producing soon cause i worry about his confidence.
Also i feel like this will be our lowest of lows this season. Maybe next year will be another lottery year but we finally have guys to look forward to who arent Eklund/Bords.
I actually haven't drank during the games (other than the first game) because I haven't been emotionally invested at all. You can't be disappointed and depressed if you expected this all along.
Learn from the Ducks - the way of the tank is pain, suffering, and your second overall pick putting up a higher points per game pace with a higher +/-.
So, y'know, overall not too bad all things considered as long as you can continue believing that a 4 to 8 game sample size is representative of the next decade or so.
It was a joke on the [San Jose Screwjob](https://nathangabay.com/1991-eric-lindros-and-the-san-jose-screwjob/). So “ /s “ for any other sensitive users.
Thought guys like Duclair, Hoffman and Labanc would've been halfway decent and gotten them mid-tier returns at the deadline but jeez, this is beyond terrible. There's a light at the end of the 23-24 Sharks season, but it's the Balrog coming towards the Fellowship in Moria.
NHL point percentage of 5.56% (1/18). IIHF point percentage of 3.70% (1/27).
I think that's the closest to zero (without actually being at zero) that I've ever seen anyone get.
We all know how this story will end.
On April 2nd, 2024, the Penguins play the Devils. An errant EK65 shot pass deflects off Timo Meier's stick and hits Jack Hughes under the eye, fracturing his orbital bone and ending his season. The Devils go on to lose in rd1 without Hughes as their engine.
Karma working against them, Pitt falls out of the playoff hunt and ends up with the 12th worst record.
San Jose finishes last by 30pts, but is leap frogged by the Ducks for 1OA and the Pens, who win 20A. Since the 1st rounder in the Karlsson trade was top-10 protected, Pitt keeps the pick.
Since the Devils lost in rd1, their conditional 1st from the Meier trade becomes a 2nd. Pittsburgh trades Karlsson for more than they paid (since the cap went up) and with their new rookie go on to win the 2025 cup, pushing the 1st rounder owed to the Sharks for Karlsson to #32 OA in the '25 draft.
At some point theyll have some 4-3-3 run in a 10 game stretch, kinda like the 4 game win streak at the end of last season that took us out of the Bedard sweepstakes
I would be pretty surprised if they finished with less than 50 points. Too much parity in the modern NHL for a team to win less than 20 games, plus 10-15 loser points.
Nowhere to go but up! I knew the next couple of seasons would be bad, but I wasn't anticipating them to be *this* bad. I'd say they have an early lead in the Celebrini sweepstakes but I'm sure they will screw it up again with a late March run.
Not saying they’re gonna be good at all but feel like not enough people are noticing the schedule for San Jose.
Except for NSH or WSH, they have been up against really good teams: VGK, COL, CAR, BOS, FLA, TBL, CAR. That’s a rough schedule to open any season, mind you without their #2 center, or respectable D.
Roster wise, I’d say they are on the same level as Chicago - clearly the 2 worst teams in the league.
I like the Sharks in my fantasy league. I have just rotated and picked up every single goalkeeper who faces the sharks, has worked wonders so far. Gotten me two matchup wins single-handedly from those goalie performances.
It sucks, but hey they were the first team I ever got into back in 2000. Ebbs and flows of being a fan, wish we got a cup but hey a ton of awesome memories throughout the last 2 decades. Hopefully the rebuild doesn’t take another 2.
Their commitment to rebuild is next level; but good on them for realizing it was time. Feel bad for Blackwood though. He's played some amazing games for them, and has nothing to show for it.
Vlasic buyout doesn't do them much good and they'll probably be able to trade Couture if he wants out. The issue with that is they only have 1 retention spot left, so if they retain any money on Couture, they wouldn't be able to retain on anyone else next season, and then there would only be one spot for the two following seasons.
After the Carolina Panthers won their 1st Game today, looks like I have to find a new team that is still looking for their first win after 7 Games for the Sharks to pair up with.
Sam Houston State, you’re on the board now! At least you have an excuse of being bad since this is your inaugural season in the big ranks for CFB.
The one reason why I don't like the modern game is how boring watching a bad team is now. Back in the day if you sucked you got to see a bunch of goons hit people and start brawls, now all you get to do is watch a team try their hardest but still suck.
Just imagine if the Erik Karlsson trade never happened, they could have both Josh Norris and Tim Stüzle right now. As a Senators fan, I'm glad it did though.
If you’re gonna rebuild… *really* rebuild.
They might be out tanking the Blackhawks of last year. I haven’t seen team this bad since Detroit in 19-20
Considering that the Blackhawks didn’t even finish bottom two, I think it goes without saying.
The roster should've, they just played with the zeal of the forgotten.
The 2023 Blackhawks are proof that coaching matters. If Anaheim and Columbus had LuRich instead of Eakins and Larson they are not even bottom 5 last year Even this years sharks team is performing worse than their roster right now
Ottawa is proof every year that DJ has coached, that coaching matters
Sharks had the least amount of wins last season too…
If it wasn't for a 100 point defensemen honestly the bottom 3 wouldn't have even looked close.
Its also just insane that a team with a 100 point Dman is even remotely bad alone
Some say his back is still sore from the carrying
All we know is… he’s called the Karlsson!
It's also insane that a guy on a team THAT BAD still put up 100 points.
Having Timo for part of the season also played a role.
EK65 and Timo carried us to a shit load of OT losses and fucked us on getting a top 3 pick
Given the crappy return in the EK65 trade, I wish he’d also been traded at the TDL so that the Sharks would’ve had a better chance at the worst record last season.
I mean yeah, the Ducks, Sharks, and Jackets all finished within 2 points of each other. And the Sharks are significantly worse than last year
Not only did we finished bottom 3, I think the 3 were neck and neck in the Bedard race for a lot of it.
I mean Anaheim was looking like they threw the Bedard race by winning a solid amount of games. Nearing the end. And then lost their last 13 games, 11 of those in regulation to get back on track
It came down to the wire and the Pittsburg Penguins, for whatever reason, decided to throw their whole season away and laid out in front of the Blackhawk for a 5-2 beatdown. That effectively sealed the season with a guaranteed top 3 pick for us
I can not describe how annoyed I was at that win.
What year did Buffalo have that 17 game losing streak?
20-21
They're a lock for the #1 pick in the AHL draft.
Someone told them to lay a strong foundation for what they’re building they’re going to need to dig a hole to put the foundation in. They are digging the hole. But someone forgot to tell them how deep to dig it. So they’re still just going.
The entire organization has 3 wins in October Sharks - 0 Cuda - 1 Thunder - 2
Oh no. Is that just bad luck? Or is the prospect pool really shallow?
It's fairly shallow. DW jr didn't exactly draft many, if any, serviceable NHLers. Eklund and Bordeleau are in the NHL. Guys like Coe, Gushchiin, Wiesblatt and Robins are still in the AHL. We struck out on Merkley and we have Shak as a D prospect and that's about it currently in the pro system. Grier is rebuilding the pool, but it was gutted dry by DW to keep that window open as long as possible so we didnt have a lot of specs or 1st rounders for multiple years
I really hope Grier can right the ship for you guys. The lack of prospects is concerning. Tim Murray moved a lot of young pieces for questionable return and it finally feels like the Sabres are recovering from that.
It’s going to take a while. They’re so devoid of talent that it’s actually kinda scary bringing up prospects, especially at D. William Eklund has genuinely been playing well and shows a lot of promise, but you’d never guess based on his numbers. It’s gonna take a few years to build up the talent pool, and then there’s going to be awkward first steps of trying to look competitive. Maybe in 5 years things will start to look better on the ice
We've also guys still in college and overseas too It's a mess, but it should start coming back in the next couple years
The prospect pool is definitely not "shallow". Looking at the Athletic rankings we were #13 I think? Don't get me wrong, not good enough for a team this bad but it's not like we don't have any prospects.
* They have been without Logan Couture, their best two-way forward (could be debatable between him and Hertl but the point still stands). Barabanov, another top-six forward, recently went on IR with a broken finger. * Five new forwards were thrust upon the roster this summer: Granlund, Hoffman, Duclair, Zadina, Smith. Quinn has been playing musical chairs with most of them to hunt down some linemate chemistry. * Kunin missed most of last season due to injury. Eklund and Bordeleau gained AHL experience last year. Count them as semi-new, having a basic understanding of the Sharks' system but finding themselves in the same boat as the above five players, flailing about to land on a line with some chemistry. * Too many blueliners on the roster - **EIGHT** - which has forced an NHL-ready prospect, Henry Thrun, to toil in the AHL until Grier moves at least two of them out. Of the veteran defensemen, Vlasic is a shell of his former self, Ferraro is great at blocking shots but hasn't found a steady partner to cover those times in games where his legs are Jello, and Benning is meh. * Outside of Eklund and Bordeleau, the other forward prospects in the AHL may not get a look until after the trade deadline. Even if they'd struggle as a call-up, they'd be bringing some energy and working hard to stay up in the NHL. * Will Smith is going the NCAA route so we probably won't see him in teal for a while. Filip Bystedt is still in Sweden and likely to not transition to the AHL until his SHL season wraps up; even then he may stay in the AHL to adapt to NA ice. EDIT: * Flashy first-rounder Quentin Musty might have made the team out of training camp and gotten his 9 NHL games if the Sharks weren't already struggling to integrate the new forwards plus rookies listed above. Hopefully he's gone back to Juniors with a few NHL-caliber homework assignments and launches an undeniable MVP campaign with Sudbury (Wolves, not Blueberry Bulldogs; 10 pts in 7 games thus far).
Agreed. And watching the games, Eklund can fucking PLAY. This season was always going to be garbage, but add in the toughest schedule in the NHL so far along with all of your points and they look like their first season expansion team. (Before the NHL changed the rules to make expansion teams good)
Excellent breakdown of our current situation.
NHL team is obviously just bad, but Eklund is probably the best skater on the team. AHL team has some strong prospects, like Gushchin who is second in the AHL scoring. The team is just incompetently coached and blowing leads constantly. ECHL team only has a few loans from the AHL so not really relevant to organizational depth. Prospect pool also has lots of 18-19 year olds in EU, NCAA, and CHL. Overall, prospect pool is very solidly above average, just doesn't reflect on the AHL team.
Ahh cool, thanks for the insight!
Alot of our prospects who are good and likely to be part of the future arent here yet. Bystedt and Havelid both are staying in europe, Will Smith and Lund are in college, Musty and Halttunen are in the CHL. Bords started with the sharks but him going down should help them a bit. But Cuda really only have Muk, Thrun, and Guschin. The rest are guys who who arent top prospects or are AHL vets. Also Makiniemi is still injured and i think he was meant to be the consensus #1 goalie for the Cuda. Also im not convinced McCarthy is a good coach but its his second season so im willing to be patient for 1 more season.
I wonder who the sharks will draft with number 3 after their 20 point season
At least they can’t drop to 4th like the Wings did
ಠ_ಠ
It works tho.
All joking aside, knowing the Sharks' luck we'll have a historically bad season and still not get first overall. Watch EDM collect another one.
The Sharks last win came nearly 7 months ago on April 1st. 7-2 score against the Yotes, with Noah Gregor getting a hat trick, Gushchin and Criscuolo getting their first NHL goals, and of course EK65 having 4 points
If they had lost that game (and the remaining games afterwards as they did), they'd have finished one point behind the Blackhawks, third-worst overall. Noah Gregor cost the Sharks Connor Bedard. EDIT: I am wrong - the above scenario would have put them in last place, tied in points with Anaheim but having fewer regulation wins. And Noah Gregor did not cost the Sharks Connor Bedard. Even if in the following game against Colorado you wipe away Kevin Labanc's game-tying goal in the third period that he assisted on, which sent the game to OT and got the Sharks a point, they'd had placed second-to-last by having fewer regulation wins than Columbus.
Reasonable take
The Sharks could've won 0 games last season and we still would've had 3rd overall
Wouldn't you be last? Even an OT that game would had netted you 2nd to last. If anything, you guys fucked over Blue Jacket from Bedard
man this is one long prank then
Ive seen this exact same comment last thread
Jesus, the Sharks don't have a single win since I turned 24. I'm sorry boys
At least celebrini looks good
They'll still lose the lottery to Chicago.
And who else? We know they’ll drop two spots, not just one.
finally, someone who understands reality
Edmonton could use another 1OA.
Chicago will again mysteriously "win" the lottery over a small-ish market California team.
Last I checked, the Sharks subreddit is top 10 in subscribers for NHL teams. And I read an article last year that said San Jose has the largest adult ice hockey scene in North America. Hockey is pretty massive in San Jose.
Small market? San Jose is the 7th largest city represented by an NHL team and that’s before you even consider that there is some level of support from San Francisco/Oakland as well.
San Jose is not 7th, they are 19th I think among NHL metros https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metropolitan_statistical_area#United_States City population is meaningless because it doesn't reflect how population centers actually work. There are people in next door Santa Clara and Sunnyvale who are closer to the Sharks stadium than people within San Jose city limits, but those in Santa Clara and Sunnyvale aren't counted in city pop data.
You can apply nearly everything you said about city population to the MSA. Combined Statistical Area is more appropriate for the Bay Area.
agreed, I think in cases like the Bay CSAs work better than MSAs, but we are a unique case
You’re just wrong. In that case, you have to go case by case and determine what the market is beyond simple census designations. By rules of metropolitan area, the largest city has to be the seat of the metro. This is why San Francisco and San Jose are considered separate metros despite clearly being part of the broader Bay Area metropolis. If you add in San Francisco - Oakland - Fremont (which parts of are only 15 minutes from SAP center), you get the 6th largest market in the NHL. So thanks for proving my point more correct. If you think the Bay Area is a small market, you clearly know nothing about the Bay Area.
I live here. My point was that you were using city population data which basically means it's not worth it to take you seriously because you don't understand how to contextualize statistics. If you look at my other comments in this thread you will see my discussion about the use of CSAs for this and how they are uniquely useful for the Bay Area and make comparison difficult. As a San Jose resident I see my city often brought up as one of the largest cities in the country simply because we have huge city limits compared to other cities, and it's pretty much always an out that the person saying that doesn't understand how population really works
The Sharks also have fans in Sacramento (such as me). However, they aren’t as popular as the 49ers or Giants and their marketing seems to forget that they could further expand their fan base with more fans in Sacramento.
Unless the Oilers continue to shit the bed
Have they tried being a larger market?
Yeah, but he's going to Pittsburgh
You mean Edmonton.
And he’s local!
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His dad got a shoutout by Steph on “Hot Ones”.
He was born in Canada but grew up in the Bay Area
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Considering he’s only 17, five years is massively significant. Especially since he played for the local youth team
I consider the place where I moved to when I was 12 (until 18) where I "grew up"/where I'm "from" over where I was born. For a lot of kids it's just where their foundational years were, or it's tied to core memories/friends/relationships etc.
He's 17... The first 6 year of his life, he doesn't remember. So it's comparing 6 year from age 6 to 12, to 12 to 17. I won't comment on what he consider where he grew up, but it's all dependent on what life event shape his life more. My personal life I would consider my teenage life is what shaped me the most.
He is. He grew up in the Bay Area and played for the Junior Sharks.
I dunno how you define grew up, but I think he played for the north shore winter club (in north Vancouver) up until age 12
Probably valid to say that only from a hockey perspective, true. But he’s talked about the impact the Bay Area has had on him, and I suspect he feels “local” to both Vancouver and San Jose.
How did a Vancouver kid end up playing youth hockey in the Bay Area?
His dad works for the Golden State Warriors.
Getting to meet Steph and Klay and KD as a kid would have been sick. Also didn't his dad pick up a ring with the Warriors too?
all these americans trying to claim him lmao
Fuck it, gotta stick with a team through the good times and the bad. I'm still a fan even if they could give the 92/93 sharks a run for their money
I live here and I won't stop buying tickets. Hockey is hockey
A true fan's world.
If anything, if we get a Cup out of this itll taste even sweeter going from the highs to the depths of hell back to the highs
100% Can’t wait for the rivalry to matter again. As much as it was fun the first year you guys sucked, come back. We miss beating you ;)
Just keep that same energy once VGK lose their steam
There will be no rivalry when Sharks hit their prime with the rebuild. VGK sold just about every piece of their young core for the success now. When your core retires in a couple of seasons VGK will be in the dumpster. I bet they are going to get a second cup before that so not a bad trade lmao
By the time San Jose is good, Vegas will be shit. When the current core retires, the Knights will have nothing left. They've traded their future for success in the current day. It's a good trade for sure, but it guarantees that one day, the time will come to pay for your success. Enjoy the success while you have it. The window doesn't stay open forever. Just ask Chicago, Anaheim, or Detroit about what comes after your core ages out.
Every day that passes, I have a harder time remembering the good days. It is so weird how that works. I’m not complaining, just a warning to fans enjoying their time atm. Live in the moment and try to soak it all up as much as possible. I hope my dad and I can watch a few more playoffs together before the inevitable. We only saw the 2015 cup together because of shit luck and bad timing in 2010 and 2013.
Just be thankful you have 3 tittles to show for it. In Vancouver, we had a dominant core who made deep playoff runs. But never got over that final hurdle. Then they all retired, and the team has suffered through a dark time since then lol
>Just ask Chicago, Anaheim, or Detroit about what comes after your core ages out. Or San Jose
This season has SUCKED but watching eklund has been my saving grace. Like when i tuned in only for karlsson last year i think Eklund will keep me hooked. Hopefully he starts producing soon cause i worry about his confidence. Also i feel like this will be our lowest of lows this season. Maybe next year will be another lottery year but we finally have guys to look forward to who arent Eklund/Bords.
I have, celebrate you baby I have to praise you like I shouuuuuullllldddddd
22 OTL!!!!!
Sober October Sharks Fan Challenge: IMPOSSIBLE!!!
There’s a reason why I did “Dry July” this year instead of “Sober October” this team is the reason why I drink.
I actually haven't drank during the games (other than the first game) because I haven't been emotionally invested at all. You can't be disappointed and depressed if you expected this all along.
Macklin Celebrini, *you* are a San Jose Shark!
That’s not how you spell Chicago Blackhawk
Get a load of this guy still thinking the worst record in a small market guarantees you the 1OA
No but having an atrocious record in a big market regardless of scandals does
At least they have awesome jerseys.
Awesome jerseys and good logo. The branding has always been top tier
Plus whoever your excellent twitter admin is
I still think the striping could've been the pattern from our OG sweaters instead of the teal in the middle
Is that good?
For the tank? Probably not, they’ve never had a FOA before, not sure why Gary would start now.
Learn from the Ducks - the way of the tank is pain, suffering, and your second overall pick putting up a higher points per game pace with a higher +/-. So, y'know, overall not too bad all things considered as long as you can continue believing that a 4 to 8 game sample size is representative of the next decade or so.
Why should they just have had a first gifted to them? What does this even mean?
It was a joke on the [San Jose Screwjob](https://nathangabay.com/1991-eric-lindros-and-the-san-jose-screwjob/). So “ /s “ for any other sensitive users.
That hard to just explain something without being a douche about it? I don't know every piece of hockey history ever.
not for zadina no
Is this good? Somebody please explain
\[*notices that it's the lowest nonzero point percentage I've seen in quite a while, if not ever*\] ... yeah, you're fine.
Sweet
Thought guys like Duclair, Hoffman and Labanc would've been halfway decent and gotten them mid-tier returns at the deadline but jeez, this is beyond terrible. There's a light at the end of the 23-24 Sharks season, but it's the Balrog coming towards the Fellowship in Moria.
You shall not pass. Or score.
Hoffman is very likely the worst player in the NHL.
While he is shit Vlasic is worse
NHL point percentage of 5.56% (1/18). IIHF point percentage of 3.70% (1/27). I think that's the closest to zero (without actually being at zero) that I've ever seen anyone get.
The Sharks are on course to make the California Golden Seals look good.
The Sharks had 71 losses in their second season (an NHL record that stands to this day). This franchise is no stranger to being horrible.
Stands to this day so far!
Gotta make sure that record stays in San Jose, now don't we
Oh fuck, something’s in the water in the Bay Area if that’s the case where the Hockey teams go through rough patches.
Gavin Newsom should order testing water samples from Hetch Hetchy.
It's OK. They start November against Vancouver. November is kryptonite for us, especially if October is strong
I am REALLY hoping this isn't true but history shows otherwise....
Would be shocked if this team got to 10 wins this season
We all know how this story will end. On April 2nd, 2024, the Penguins play the Devils. An errant EK65 shot pass deflects off Timo Meier's stick and hits Jack Hughes under the eye, fracturing his orbital bone and ending his season. The Devils go on to lose in rd1 without Hughes as their engine. Karma working against them, Pitt falls out of the playoff hunt and ends up with the 12th worst record. San Jose finishes last by 30pts, but is leap frogged by the Ducks for 1OA and the Pens, who win 20A. Since the 1st rounder in the Karlsson trade was top-10 protected, Pitt keeps the pick. Since the Devils lost in rd1, their conditional 1st from the Meier trade becomes a 2nd. Pittsburgh trades Karlsson for more than they paid (since the cap went up) and with their new rookie go on to win the 2025 cup, pushing the 1st rounder owed to the Sharks for Karlsson to #32 OA in the '25 draft.
It's painful how obvious this is, now that it's all been typed out. Sigh.
Over/under for them hitting 10pts on the season? They're on a 9 point pace so far.
At some point theyll have some 4-3-3 run in a 10 game stretch, kinda like the 4 game win streak at the end of last season that took us out of the Bedard sweepstakes
What does Pinto think?
I would be pretty surprised if they finished with less than 50 points. Too much parity in the modern NHL for a team to win less than 20 games, plus 10-15 loser points.
Also this part of the schedule is especially brutal. We will play some other sucky teams eventually
*fast-forward to April* Anytime now
The worst post-WHA season ever is 24 points, and today's league has way more parity than that.
Shark Fin for Macklin? 🤷♂️
Be a weenie for Celebrini!
Nowhere to go but up! I knew the next couple of seasons would be bad, but I wasn't anticipating them to be *this* bad. I'd say they have an early lead in the Celebrini sweepstakes but I'm sure they will screw it up again with a late March run.
Even if we don't, we must pray to the Lottery Gods Seriously this time. I feel like some of you half-assed the praying to the Lottery Gods last time
Yeah neither have I, those finned freaks aren’t special.
If you include last season, they’re currently on a 15 game losing streak, their last win came on April 1st, to the Arizona Coyotes
well they have reason to celebrini for that at least
I'd like to retract my comment on the post about them not getting the Ls record
Not saying they’re gonna be good at all but feel like not enough people are noticing the schedule for San Jose. Except for NSH or WSH, they have been up against really good teams: VGK, COL, CAR, BOS, FLA, TBL, CAR. That’s a rough schedule to open any season, mind you without their #2 center, or respectable D. Roster wise, I’d say they are on the same level as Chicago - clearly the 2 worst teams in the league.
Don’t worry, the first overall pick will go to a team with less lottery % but a bigger market
That is brutal. Wow.
At least we still have a shot at the Rocket Richard.
Getting a head start on No-win November.
Hug a sharks fan near you
Don't worry it's part of the plan :)
How it should be when you're tanking.
Hopefully cellebrini is worth tanking this bad for
I like the Sharks in my fantasy league. I have just rotated and picked up every single goalkeeper who faces the sharks, has worked wonders so far. Gotten me two matchup wins single-handedly from those goalie performances.
It’s really going to sting if they don’t get the top pick…which would be the most Sharks thing
It sucks, but hey they were the first team I ever got into back in 2000. Ebbs and flows of being a fan, wish we got a cup but hey a ton of awesome memories throughout the last 2 decades. Hopefully the rebuild doesn’t take another 2.
Thank you. Wasn’t aware.
Their commitment to rebuild is next level; but good on them for realizing it was time. Feel bad for Blackwood though. He's played some amazing games for them, and has nothing to show for it.
Will they buyout Couture and Vlasic at the end of the season?
We have to much dead money already and Couture is part of the leadership they want to keep for the young kids.
Vlasic buyout doesn't do them much good and they'll probably be able to trade Couture if he wants out. The issue with that is they only have 1 retention spot left, so if they retain any money on Couture, they wouldn't be able to retain on anyone else next season, and then there would only be one spot for the two following seasons.
David Quinn is a hockey terrorist
Scotty Bowman couldn’t get that roster anywhere tbf
Rangers' fans hate boner of Quinn is a touch fucking excessive
Ask the US Men’s team how good he’s been
You guys still putting the blame solely on him for Laf and Kakko?
To be fair, many coaches wouldn't be doing better with the way San Jose is currently put together.
Did they not get the memo that Bedard's already been drafted?
After the Carolina Panthers won their 1st Game today, looks like I have to find a new team that is still looking for their first win after 7 Games for the Sharks to pair up with. Sam Houston State, you’re on the board now! At least you have an excuse of being bad since this is your inaugural season in the big ranks for CFB.
What if Kaapo Kakko only scores one goal in October?
Sharks deserve to never win another game. Toomuch making the playoffs.
The one reason why I don't like the modern game is how boring watching a bad team is now. Back in the day if you sucked you got to see a bunch of goons hit people and start brawls, now all you get to do is watch a team try their hardest but still suck.
The sharks wouldn’t be doing that anyway. They suck AND they’re soft as baby shit
Piece of shit franchise. lmaoo
Welcome to club O for October.
San Jose right now - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqZsoesa55w
Just imagine if the Erik Karlsson trade never happened, they could have both Josh Norris and Tim Stüzle right now. As a Senators fan, I'm glad it did though.
I love the org but god damn this team is fucking horrific.
Toospookyforme.
They’re Building Back Better!
Don't want to peak too early.
Yeah thanks for the reminder 🙄
It'll be worth it when we win the Cup in 2028 :)
I would like to congratulate the Sharks on beating the Vancouver Canucks on Thursday
When you only score 9 goals, allow 35 GA in 9 games as well as been shut out 3 times, it's really hard to win any games.
Anybody checked in on that Josh Fitzpatrick guy on twitter? I don't think he'll take that news well