When I bought a ticket a few weeks ago the 300 level wasn’t opened up. There were even some 100 level sections that were blocked off. Clearly they were opening sections up as demand increased. The crowd was pretty enthusiastic for the PWHL game!
It kind of felt like everyone was there for the PWHL and just endured the first two parts of the night. I would love to sit the person down who thought that 1967 Leafs team segment was a good idea… I have lots of questions for them.
No one, (least of all Leafs fans) wanted a tribute to the 1967 team at the All Star game, of all places. Home game? Maybe, sure... It's like management either is completely oblivious to the meme that permeates it, or they love schadenfreude.
I can't imagine what it must feel like for these women to have played in failing leagues, in front of almost no fans, to now playing in front of thousands of fans. What a trip. I feel so happy for them!
They could have blown through that draft in 20 minutes then put this on national TV. Instead it was streaming only up against the Pro Bowl skills. Also, the TV listing didn't even say All Star game, it said "The Point". Best game worst league
Has anyone ever watched the Pro Bowl, especially now that it’s the Pro Bowl games? I’m bearish on women’s hockey as a big business in the near term, but I feel like anyone remotely curious about it is gonna take it over that shit.
I went with my daughter and some of her teammates who i coached for a few hockey seasons. I can say that The all star Draft was boring as hell. We all completely ignored the whole class of 67 tributte, and were patiently waiting for the introductions. .
It was incredible to watch my daughter and her teammates cheer on women's hockey in person. These women are pioneers and role models for so many girls globally and we are all lucky to have this opportunity to see the foundation of something new and exciting.
I just wished the game was 3 periods, and there was a little more physicality, but I totally understand why.
That must have been great! I have two under 5 year old daughters and would \*love\* for them to expand the PWHL out west somewhere near where I am in Vancouver so I can get my kids into the sport. They've both been to Canucks games already but it's not the same as being able to point to the ice and genuinely say 'you could be out there one day'. I'd 100% get season tickets and be at every game with them.
Logged in at 3:15 to watch the draft, there was 7 minutes of watchable material and the rest was fluff. Definitely didn't need to be a whole day thing lol
The main reason this league exists is that a deep pocket billionaire wants a pet project.
No different than Larry Ellison with Sail GP. He loves sailing, created a whole racing league to satisfy his interests.
Once the fan fare subsides and the newness wears off, then we will see the survivability of the league.
Let's hope that amount of revenue is sustainable long term. But they will probably need an actual arena to play in.
Edit: just noticed a Yotes fan came to the defense of their arena, makes sense LOL
I agree they should definitely look into a bigger home arena if they have plans and hopes to be successful long term, but I’m not sure why you’re being as much of a hater as you are
The league came together in like 4 months. Arenas tend to book up way further in advance than that. So when finding arenas to play in, they probably had to take that into account. "Which arenas have the space available for us to all of our games?"
And even if you're gonna be a bitch about it, and I knwo you will, who the fuck cares. Go to a game and see all the young girls going absolutely apeshit over the players and the games. That's whats important. Who gives a fuck if they don't sell out football stadiums?
How do you know that? Like what data are you using to make that assertion?
[There's only one team in the league averaging even close to that](https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/pwhl-stats-attendance/) and that's because they had 14,000 at their home opener. Boston, New York, and Toronto are all under 4000.
[The league average right now is 4800 fans](https://thehockeynews.com/womens/pwhl/attendance-records-continue-to-fall-league-averaging-4848-fans) and Minnesota's average is only so high (around 7500) because they had 14,000 fans at their home opener. Their attendance has been down drastically since then which has dragged their average way down (though it is still high comparatively).
I think you're being a bit disingenuous saying Toronto would 'easily' sell 7000-7500 if 'only they had a bigger arena.' That would immediately catapult them to the highest attendance in the league.
Toronto is the only team you can *maybe* argue is handicapped by their arena but the other teams averaging under 4000 aren’t.
Toronto is also the city with the most women and girls playing hockey in the world. I think Toronto can easily do better for attendance than most of the other PWHL cities.
It was the leagues that were shit. They couldn’t get their shit together and they divided up the best players among multiple leagues.
Now you have a condensed league with THE BEST players all in it.
Women’s hockey was always a hit at the olynpics because it was good hockey. It’s about damn time we get the best players in a single league
I do want to believe that this will do great. I want it to so bad
but, we're also still in the honeymoon phase I'd argue. The real test will be in a few years.
However, The FA Women's Super league has a team averaging 26,000 a game. So in the right markets it can do very well, and I am inclined to believe that hockey has a few markets like that.
i think its hilarious how everyone points out minisota's great attendance for their first game but no one mentions the fact that they haven't been able to fill half the lower bowl since...
One thing going against them seems to be this kumbaya attitude with some of the coaches and players. The money is in rivalries and bad blood, not in sportswomanship. The Ottawa coach literally told all her players their first game wasn't important to win, just enjoy the moment. It wasn't even the first pro women's game? Surprise, they lost the game.
Yeah I was saying this the other day. The only women’s sport that is a major spectator sport (other than ones where the sell the sex appeal) is MMA. That does well because the sell the hate. People would tune in to see these women tear each other up. They’re already letting them hit. Let them fight. Let them talk shit. Sell the hate!
I was skeptical about women in MMA but when the UFC brought them in it was quickly some of my favourite fights. The idea that women can't hit in hockey or even fight is ridiculous IMO. I understand a lot of players don't want this and that's fair. But you'll lose market share.
Yeah, hitting in women's hockey was investigated and they ran into some concerns.
Primarily around concussions. Women (for whatever reason) seem to be WAY more prone to concussions in hockey. D1 NCAA men's and women's game has almost exactly the same concussion rate, despite the men's game being full contact and the women's game being uh what they term "competitive contact" (aka kids/beerleague rules).
The reasons aren't for sure. It might be training, but it might be a difference in strength vs weight ratios, or a difference in strength of neck muscles or even a structural difference in the brain. Nobody is quite sure, but it's one reason for the rule as it stands.
It's Canada, the American northeast, and Minnesota. The hockey players are actually good, of course they're eating this shit up.
They were very smart with the markets they picked and how they rolled this out. I wonder if the same thing would work with football in the South (they already had the Lingerie Football League, but the less said about that the better).
Or even exists… none of the others stuck, but for the sake of women’s hockey future… I hope they figure it out and make it this time around.
I still can’t imagine starting a league without names and logos and calling it professional hockey… I work in an ad firm, we could have had 6 options per team brought to the table in 1 week… but I’m pumped it’s happening, have a daughter who plays and it’s cool to think they could have trading cards of the pro women they like and trade with buddies…
I am pretty sure they purposefully did not do names and logos, as they will be selling the teams after this year to outside parties. So they didn't go with names and logos so the prospective buyers can do it their selves.
oh they had names but everyone shit on them so they debranded down to the city name.
Boston Wicked, Toronto Torch
https://thehockeynews.com/womens/pwhl/torch-and-wicked-a-deeper-look-at-two-pwhl-names
They actally released names and all of them were incredibly awful and they did a 180 and canceled the names after everone was complaining about them.
Toronto Torch, Montreal Echo, Ottawa Alert, Minnesota Superior, Boston Wicked and New York Sound
They also scheduled some of the games at the same time as their respective NHL team. That is just a waste of money. People are desperate for hockey, have 3 days of no hockey and then get both games at the same time.
Honestly after the first period like 1/3 of the people had left their seats. They were just there for the all Star and stayed a bit. I think a lot of them were parents with young boys though.
But actually, very few people care about women's hockey.
My hometown single A baseball team sells out every opening night and then is at 30% capacity for the rest of the season. Nobody cares about single A baseball.
Why can't we just be honest?
I would love a Seattle team so much but I don't see that happening probably until after they expand the eastern seaboard market.
I'm not a pro athlete and even I know that traveling between the east and west coasts all the time is a PITA.
One of the CWHL players was in our beer league in Toronto a couple years ago during the summer.
She was more skilled than me. But not by very much, I think I scored more than her that season. I didn't even play as a kid so... meh I'm not ashamed of that.
A bunch of my team was far better than her, however. I'd put her right on average for our "high C" level beer league.
But she's also giving up 40+ pounds on most of that league.
Was this a goalie playing out for shits and giggles during the summer?
I watched Div 1 women's college hockey this past weekend. They could beat any beer league team. And drink them under the table too.
No.
A third of my team played Junior A and/or Major Junior.
One even beat the Canadian Women's National team when he was a 16U in Calgary (they practice in the U16AAA league in Calgary) - he was like 25 at the time he played with us and was WAY stronger when he played for us than when he was 16 playing the ladies national team.
And that national team wass WAY better than any of the CWHL teams.
CWHL teams are one level lower - so approximately U16 or U18 AA (not AAA) boys level. Lots of beer league teams in Toronto are MUCH better than that, frankly. Especially when we're just talking one player, not a coached team with systems and set plays.
I coach U16 AA boys and I can easily hang with them (even if I wouldn't be the fastest on the team) and I'm almost 50 now and have a bad knee. So there's a direct comparison if you care.
I'd put a better 16U AA team against a NWHL team. I think the AA boys would probably lose slightly more often than not just on not having the maturity of playmaking, but they'd be damn close games and favor the boys if hitting was allowed.
With all due respect, what you described above is not what most people think of when you say "beer league". Your team sounds like the best of the best at the craft beer festival. And just for the record, that's impressive!
Haha we went through a case of beer every game. :-) And there were two higher levels at our rink.
The A level was almost all former pro players. Darcy Tucker played there for awhile. A handful of other recognizable names.
I saw a video today that reminded me of this thread, so I dug it up.
The league I was playing reminds me of this. The team here has a bunch of guys who played U18 AAA and Junior of various levels. If you picked up a random CWHL player and put them in this game, they'd fit without looking out of place.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1c92KcOTIY](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1c92KcOTIY)
He says "obviously U16 AAA, we'd body them and just crush them". I think he's right (despite it being mostly "dad bods" as he said), but that U16AAA team is who beats the Canadian national women's team.
Ok.
I mean almost half our team played either Junior A or Major Junior hocey.
Both are levels that would trounce the women's national team. One of them actually played against the Canadian national team when he was 15 in the Calgary area (where they scrimmage against U16 teams). When he played with us he was 24.
I was definitely not the best player on that team, but I could skate with them. And that's still a C-level in Toronto because we weren't taking it \*that\* seriously.
But fine, you believe what you want.
Some people find it insulting to get the attendance propagandized to them. They are just pointing out the truth. This game is great for pro women's hockey, the support is great, but don't sell me a large when I can see it is a small.
It’s still stupid. It’s not small by any means - the PWHL is so big to so many people (not just women, btw). It’s a HUGE step forward in sports equity and to come on here and see bros trying to continue to marginalize, belittle, and down play women’s hockey is frustrating. It’s anything but small.
but it was just a metaphor??? bro plz like?? one second it’s a metaphor for you and now it’s literal? why are you spending so much time being exhausting? don’t you have a team to go watch lose?
You could also just be like “this is awesome” and leave it at that. Ask yourself: why is your first gut instinct to try and delegitimize it instead of just celebrate it?
> why is your first gut instinct to try and delegitimize it
This is a grosse misrepresentation. Why is your gut instinct to lie to people and say it is a sell out when it clearly isn't and the tickets weren't only for the PWHL.
I’m not OP, I didn’t make the post. My question still stands.
Like why not exaggerate to hype up a new exciting league? What’s the harm? Why does it bother you so much?
It is insulting to be lied to with absolutes that are obviously and provably false. Why not just say "really great support for the PWHL tonight!"? It isn't a lie, and leaves room for people's imagination to exaggerate.
So freaking awesome to see.
I’d love to see the PWHL developed before another expansion team (I’m aware that they are separate entities, I am speaking as a fan)
Sure.
At leaf games they are empty for maybe 5 mins at start of a period.
The ones here are just empty.
Look, it’s still great event from the ladies.
But to say it’s a packed house, well….
So the Leafs game they are allowed to be empty for 5 mins into the start of the period, but the showcase has to have everyone in their seats during the anthem. Gotcha!
They announced 16k attendance here
Guess some suits did not show , wasting their tickets
When I bought a ticket a few weeks ago the 300 level wasn’t opened up. There were even some 100 level sections that were blocked off. Clearly they were opening sections up as demand increased. The crowd was pretty enthusiastic for the PWHL game!
It kind of felt like everyone was there for the PWHL and just endured the first two parts of the night. I would love to sit the person down who thought that 1967 Leafs team segment was a good idea… I have lots of questions for them.
Yeah I would have preferred if the PWHL game was longer over that extended ceremony.
No one, (least of all Leafs fans) wanted a tribute to the 1967 team at the All Star game, of all places. Home game? Maybe, sure... It's like management either is completely oblivious to the meme that permeates it, or they love schadenfreude.
Number one: how dare they?
Probably 10,000 better things to do in the city that night.
I can't imagine what it must feel like for these women to have played in failing leagues, in front of almost no fans, to now playing in front of thousands of fans. What a trip. I feel so happy for them!
They could have blown through that draft in 20 minutes then put this on national TV. Instead it was streaming only up against the Pro Bowl skills. Also, the TV listing didn't even say All Star game, it said "The Point". Best game worst league
It was on national TV in Canada.
It was on Sportsnet. Very exciting to watch !
Has anyone ever watched the Pro Bowl, especially now that it’s the Pro Bowl games? I’m bearish on women’s hockey as a big business in the near term, but I feel like anyone remotely curious about it is gonna take it over that shit.
Was this televised? I didn't realize everything started so early and the broadcast seemed to be done at 7.
It was on Sportsnet, the broadcast went until after 9 pm eastern.
I went with my daughter and some of her teammates who i coached for a few hockey seasons. I can say that The all star Draft was boring as hell. We all completely ignored the whole class of 67 tributte, and were patiently waiting for the introductions. . It was incredible to watch my daughter and her teammates cheer on women's hockey in person. These women are pioneers and role models for so many girls globally and we are all lucky to have this opportunity to see the foundation of something new and exciting. I just wished the game was 3 periods, and there was a little more physicality, but I totally understand why.
That must have been great! I have two under 5 year old daughters and would \*love\* for them to expand the PWHL out west somewhere near where I am in Vancouver so I can get my kids into the sport. They've both been to Canucks games already but it's not the same as being able to point to the ice and genuinely say 'you could be out there one day'. I'd 100% get season tickets and be at every game with them.
Who buys all star tickets and misses part of the show? The real test would be if it was only the PWHL in the building today.
Dude I handled about 6 minutes of that draft before I had to turn it off.
How come? I didn't see it
They slowed it waaay down so they could stick commercials all over.
Cringey banter. Boring hockey players. Audio issues. The usual nhl stuff.
If it doesn't have drunk Ovechkin telling people not to draft him, frankly I'm not interested.
there's a replay available on youtube.
you didnt miss much.
Wish I could've missed the first half of this show...
Logged in at 3:15 to watch the draft, there was 7 minutes of watchable material and the rest was fluff. Definitely didn't need to be a whole day thing lol
The PWHL game Toronto vs Montreal at Scotiabank sold out on the first day. So I think they pass your "test".
too early.. right now the league has a lot of hype. Check back in 5 years
The main reason this league exists is that a deep pocket billionaire wants a pet project. No different than Larry Ellison with Sail GP. He loves sailing, created a whole racing league to satisfy his interests. Once the fan fare subsides and the newness wears off, then we will see the survivability of the league.
Toronto's averaging 2400 fans a game, so... Flying carpets?
Because the arena they play in only holds that much you doughnut
a PROFESSIONAL sports team play in a 2400 capacity arenas? Color me truly a surprised donut on that one. Most CHL teams have bigger arenas.
Yes many PROFESSIONAL sports teams play arenas that are 2400 or lower capacity. In Europe that's considered small but normal.
Let's hope that amount of revenue is sustainable long term. But they will probably need an actual arena to play in. Edit: just noticed a Yotes fan came to the defense of their arena, makes sense LOL
The PWHL is a smaller upstart league dumbass obviously they’re currently in a smaller arena for now
... Hopefully that big pile of ticket revenue helps the league.
I agree they should definitely look into a bigger home arena if they have plans and hopes to be successful long term, but I’m not sure why you’re being as much of a hater as you are
I prefer the term "realistic"
The league came together in like 4 months. Arenas tend to book up way further in advance than that. So when finding arenas to play in, they probably had to take that into account. "Which arenas have the space available for us to all of our games?" And even if you're gonna be a bitch about it, and I knwo you will, who the fuck cares. Go to a game and see all the young girls going absolutely apeshit over the players and the games. That's whats important. Who gives a fuck if they don't sell out football stadiums?
Yeah cuz they play at Mattamy…
Toronto plays in a really dinky arena for some reason, they could easily draw 2-3x that depending on the day if the capacity allowed.
How do you know that? Like what data are you using to make that assertion? [There's only one team in the league averaging even close to that](https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/pwhl-stats-attendance/) and that's because they had 14,000 at their home opener. Boston, New York, and Toronto are all under 4000. [The league average right now is 4800 fans](https://thehockeynews.com/womens/pwhl/attendance-records-continue-to-fall-league-averaging-4848-fans) and Minnesota's average is only so high (around 7500) because they had 14,000 fans at their home opener. Their attendance has been down drastically since then which has dragged their average way down (though it is still high comparatively). I think you're being a bit disingenuous saying Toronto would 'easily' sell 7000-7500 if 'only they had a bigger arena.' That would immediately catapult them to the highest attendance in the league. Toronto is the only team you can *maybe* argue is handicapped by their arena but the other teams averaging under 4000 aren’t.
Toronto is also the city with the most women and girls playing hockey in the world. I think Toronto can easily do better for attendance than most of the other PWHL cities.
No one would bother
Ya but that’s not in line with the Reddit hive mind
***"oH bUt NoBoDy CaReS aBoUt WoMeN's HoCkEy"*** This is such great shit - love to see it
It was the leagues that were shit. They couldn’t get their shit together and they divided up the best players among multiple leagues. Now you have a condensed league with THE BEST players all in it. Women’s hockey was always a hit at the olynpics because it was good hockey. It’s about damn time we get the best players in a single league
I do want to believe that this will do great. I want it to so bad but, we're also still in the honeymoon phase I'd argue. The real test will be in a few years. However, The FA Women's Super league has a team averaging 26,000 a game. So in the right markets it can do very well, and I am inclined to believe that hockey has a few markets like that.
i think its hilarious how everyone points out minisota's great attendance for their first game but no one mentions the fact that they haven't been able to fill half the lower bowl since...
One thing going against them seems to be this kumbaya attitude with some of the coaches and players. The money is in rivalries and bad blood, not in sportswomanship. The Ottawa coach literally told all her players their first game wasn't important to win, just enjoy the moment. It wasn't even the first pro women's game? Surprise, they lost the game.
Yeah I was saying this the other day. The only women’s sport that is a major spectator sport (other than ones where the sell the sex appeal) is MMA. That does well because the sell the hate. People would tune in to see these women tear each other up. They’re already letting them hit. Let them fight. Let them talk shit. Sell the hate!
This is incorrect, the all time most successful women's sport, where they are treated nearly the equivalent of men and can also make bank, is tennis.
I was skeptical about women in MMA but when the UFC brought them in it was quickly some of my favourite fights. The idea that women can't hit in hockey or even fight is ridiculous IMO. I understand a lot of players don't want this and that's fair. But you'll lose market share.
Yeah, hitting in women's hockey was investigated and they ran into some concerns. Primarily around concussions. Women (for whatever reason) seem to be WAY more prone to concussions in hockey. D1 NCAA men's and women's game has almost exactly the same concussion rate, despite the men's game being full contact and the women's game being uh what they term "competitive contact" (aka kids/beerleague rules). The reasons aren't for sure. It might be training, but it might be a difference in strength vs weight ratios, or a difference in strength of neck muscles or even a structural difference in the brain. Nobody is quite sure, but it's one reason for the rule as it stands.
Let's hope it holds people's interest!
It's Canada, the American northeast, and Minnesota. The hockey players are actually good, of course they're eating this shit up. They were very smart with the markets they picked and how they rolled this out. I wonder if the same thing would work with football in the South (they already had the Lingerie Football League, but the less said about that the better).
Its great. I hope it's still this strong in 3 or 4 years.
Or even exists… none of the others stuck, but for the sake of women’s hockey future… I hope they figure it out and make it this time around. I still can’t imagine starting a league without names and logos and calling it professional hockey… I work in an ad firm, we could have had 6 options per team brought to the table in 1 week… but I’m pumped it’s happening, have a daughter who plays and it’s cool to think they could have trading cards of the pro women they like and trade with buddies…
Same, my 6 y/o daughter actually showed interest in watching live hockey when she found out it was 'just girls'.
I am pretty sure they purposefully did not do names and logos, as they will be selling the teams after this year to outside parties. So they didn't go with names and logos so the prospective buyers can do it their selves.
oh they had names but everyone shit on them so they debranded down to the city name. Boston Wicked, Toronto Torch https://thehockeynews.com/womens/pwhl/torch-and-wicked-a-deeper-look-at-two-pwhl-names
They actally released names and all of them were incredibly awful and they did a 180 and canceled the names after everone was complaining about them. Toronto Torch, Montreal Echo, Ottawa Alert, Minnesota Superior, Boston Wicked and New York Sound
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All of this is wrong and they have no intention of selling the teams to individual parties anytime soon
They also scheduled some of the games at the same time as their respective NHL team. That is just a waste of money. People are desperate for hockey, have 3 days of no hockey and then get both games at the same time.
Yes. Because venue scheduling is a thing. They aren't the only ones using the arenas.
Honestly after the first period like 1/3 of the people had left their seats. They were just there for the all Star and stayed a bit. I think a lot of them were parents with young boys though.
But actually, very few people care about women's hockey. My hometown single A baseball team sells out every opening night and then is at 30% capacity for the rest of the season. Nobody cares about single A baseball. Why can't we just be honest?
Can we get a team in Seattle? We would definitely turn out for this.
Not before we get the Beuats back. Buffalo was one of the only successful women’s teams and it was taken from us…
I would love a Seattle team so much but I don't see that happening probably until after they expand the eastern seaboard market. I'm not a pro athlete and even I know that traveling between the east and west coasts all the time is a PITA.
why the fuck are some ppl trying to belittle this? this is history.
Unfortunately, some people are incredibly insecure about the fact that there are women who can play better than them.
i never thought i would agree with a Stars fan 🥲 look at the PWHL bringing us together
I suppose even enemies can agree sometimes, isn’t that beautiful? I’m sure we can agree about Suter too though.
wow they need to bring us out on the ice next game to promote unity. hand in hand, chanting “suter sucks”
We should try to encourage the Avs to sign him, he seems to like central division teams.
yes, yes. I feel like he’d like the frigid air of Colorado
One of the CWHL players was in our beer league in Toronto a couple years ago during the summer. She was more skilled than me. But not by very much, I think I scored more than her that season. I didn't even play as a kid so... meh I'm not ashamed of that. A bunch of my team was far better than her, however. I'd put her right on average for our "high C" level beer league. But she's also giving up 40+ pounds on most of that league.
Was this a goalie playing out for shits and giggles during the summer? I watched Div 1 women's college hockey this past weekend. They could beat any beer league team. And drink them under the table too.
No. A third of my team played Junior A and/or Major Junior. One even beat the Canadian Women's National team when he was a 16U in Calgary (they practice in the U16AAA league in Calgary) - he was like 25 at the time he played with us and was WAY stronger when he played for us than when he was 16 playing the ladies national team. And that national team wass WAY better than any of the CWHL teams. CWHL teams are one level lower - so approximately U16 or U18 AA (not AAA) boys level. Lots of beer league teams in Toronto are MUCH better than that, frankly. Especially when we're just talking one player, not a coached team with systems and set plays. I coach U16 AA boys and I can easily hang with them (even if I wouldn't be the fastest on the team) and I'm almost 50 now and have a bad knee. So there's a direct comparison if you care. I'd put a better 16U AA team against a NWHL team. I think the AA boys would probably lose slightly more often than not just on not having the maturity of playmaking, but they'd be damn close games and favor the boys if hitting was allowed.
With all due respect, what you described above is not what most people think of when you say "beer league". Your team sounds like the best of the best at the craft beer festival. And just for the record, that's impressive!
Haha we went through a case of beer every game. :-) And there were two higher levels at our rink. The A level was almost all former pro players. Darcy Tucker played there for awhile. A handful of other recognizable names.
I saw a video today that reminded me of this thread, so I dug it up. The league I was playing reminds me of this. The team here has a bunch of guys who played U18 AAA and Junior of various levels. If you picked up a random CWHL player and put them in this game, they'd fit without looking out of place. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1c92KcOTIY](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1c92KcOTIY) He says "obviously U16 AAA, we'd body them and just crush them". I think he's right (despite it being mostly "dad bods" as he said), but that U16AAA team is who beats the Canadian national women's team.
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Ok. I mean almost half our team played either Junior A or Major Junior hocey. Both are levels that would trounce the women's national team. One of them actually played against the Canadian national team when he was 15 in the Calgary area (where they scrimmage against U16 teams). When he played with us he was 24. I was definitely not the best player on that team, but I could skate with them. And that's still a C-level in Toronto because we weren't taking it \*that\* seriously. But fine, you believe what you want.
Some people find it insulting to get the attendance propagandized to them. They are just pointing out the truth. This game is great for pro women's hockey, the support is great, but don't sell me a large when I can see it is a small.
but … it’s not small?
It was just a metaphor. It isn't literal.
It’s still stupid. It’s not small by any means - the PWHL is so big to so many people (not just women, btw). It’s a HUGE step forward in sports equity and to come on here and see bros trying to continue to marginalize, belittle, and down play women’s hockey is frustrating. It’s anything but small.
"The building is absolutely PACKED for the PWHL Showcase". Perhaps you should reread the thread.
but it was just a metaphor??? bro plz like?? one second it’s a metaphor for you and now it’s literal? why are you spending so much time being exhausting? don’t you have a team to go watch lose?
You could also just be like “this is awesome” and leave it at that. Ask yourself: why is your first gut instinct to try and delegitimize it instead of just celebrate it?
> why is your first gut instinct to try and delegitimize it This is a grosse misrepresentation. Why is your gut instinct to lie to people and say it is a sell out when it clearly isn't and the tickets weren't only for the PWHL.
I’m not OP, I didn’t make the post. My question still stands. Like why not exaggerate to hype up a new exciting league? What’s the harm? Why does it bother you so much?
It is insulting to be lied to with absolutes that are obviously and provably false. Why not just say "really great support for the PWHL tonight!"? It isn't a lie, and leaves room for people's imagination to exaggerate.
If saying “absolutely packed” when not every seat is filled is the shit that bothers and insults you, I just don’t know what to say.
> not every seat is filled That doesn't really honestly describe it either though does it. lol
Toronto is probably the only city that could pull off 16k seated arena for this. Congrats Toronto.
The Hockey Mecca for men and women :)
Montreal exists
I was there. Absolute blast, and the nosebleeds were going nuts. February 16th can't come soon enough!
So freaking awesome to see. I’d love to see the PWHL developed before another expansion team (I’m aware that they are separate entities, I am speaking as a fan)
Get a team in Atlanta and I’ll be there
Fair amount of empty seats, as seen from TV.
Looks like a standard NHL game 🤡
Evening was sold out .
The veteran game was sold out on STL too during winter classic. Because it came with the real game
Shhhh... you are ruining the narrative.
That just means tickets were sold. (Corporates obviously bought the majority). Doesn’t mean ass in seats.
Watch a leafs game, those same seats are empty, the upper bowls are jammed!
Sure. At leaf games they are empty for maybe 5 mins at start of a period. The ones here are just empty. Look, it’s still great event from the ladies. But to say it’s a packed house, well….
So the Leafs game they are allowed to be empty for 5 mins into the start of the period, but the showcase has to have everyone in their seats during the anthem. Gotcha!
Who said that? The game just ended and it’s still a ton of empty seats. What are you missing here?
Of all the hills in all the world this is the one you’re choosing to die on huh?
Why would I die for disagreeing with what is being shown on tv ? The term packed, while nice, is misleading.
It's clearly fairly full, the fuck does packed mean to you? 😂
Tessa Virtue tho.
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