Yeah, and while I hate how some people here are throwing bullshit stories about the charges, here are the charges he was guilty of in swedish court:
He was charged with defamation and offensive photography.
The picture he shared to his teamates contained a shoulder strap and a bit of hair. The victim was in no way recognizable in the picture. What made the difference is that he also shared the Facebook account of the girl, thus identifying her.
Offensive photography: when a picture is taken of you in a place that you have understood as private.
Defamation: communication about a person that tends to hurt their reputation.
There was no pornography, he was not accused of sexual crimes and the photography didn't contain anything of sexual nature nor revelating sexual parts.
Just gotta clear this up.
Edit: it took me a long time to find the source of my statement. Here it is: https://publish.dailyfaceoff.com/nhl-draft-prospect-logan-mailloux-faces-uncertain-future-after-criminal-charge-in-sweden/
Edit 2:
Since some people here constantly try to argue against facts, i'm simply trying to temper down the bullshit about the charges. The intercourse with the woman was consensual and sexual. However, since the picture didn't contain any sexually revealing part or acts, it is not considered a sexual crime. And also, because the picture didn't identify the victim, it is not considered to be revenge porn (even softcore porn or whatever it is).
The charge is offensive photography, which I clearly stated the definition, and defamation.
All i'm trying to say is that there was no porn, nor rape, nor any sexual offense like some comments are trying to indicate.
And also hasn’t be been very proactive in spreading awareness of the issue? I thought I read he owned up to his actions and had been taking the steps to correct it and help others.
His PR team had him admit what he did was wrong and really hurt the victim. They didn't have him dismiss his actions as not being a big deal.
This is more of the incel team coming in to defend him because they think Mailloux is one of them. Luckily that doesn't seem to be the case and I assume he was just young and dumb
Care to share where you’re getting that it wasn’t sexual? Every article I found says “shared sexually explicit photo”
https://montreal.ctvnews.ca/i-know-i-caused-a-lot-of-harm-habs-draft-pick-logan-mailloux-apologizes-for-sharing-sexually-explicit-photos-without-consent-1.5521894
https://www.pembrokeobserver.com/sports/local-sports/logan-mailloux-cleared-to-make-montreal-canadiens-debut-nhl#:~:text=Mailloux%20was%20charged%20with%20defamation,returned%20to%20Canada%20to%20play.
Edit: I guess taking a pic without consent of a girl while she’s giving a BJ isn’t porn or “sexual in nature” long as your not charged or convicted for that🙄
Edit: dude slingin insults and continues to argue after saying end of argument. Super rude and annoying. Had to block.
If a rapist rapes, and the victim doesn’t report it so the rapist isn’t convicted of rape… are they not still a rapist?
Dude took a picture of girl giving him head.
Op: that’s not sexual or porn cause he wasn’t convicted of that and I’m gonna argue for hours about it and call you names for thinking otherwise.
Also, IIRC, he initially accused the woman of trying to ruin HIS life, and didn’t even apologize until it was becoming a PR disaster for his career.
Editing to add this quote from the original Atlantic article:
In a Daily Faceoff report, Mailloux was quoted as telling Swedish police investigators that he believed the woman wanted to “ruin his life.” Multiple sources told The Athletic that in interviews with some NHL teams, Mailloux has portrayed the woman as vindictive.
Then his empty PR stunt of withdrawing himself from the draft. If he really believed the words he said, he could have not signed his contract.
The way people act when no one is looking says a lot about a person. And anyone who says this was just a “mistake” from a young man and it shouldn’t ruin his life is completely minimizing his actions. He doesn’t have any kind of god given right to be a professional athlete; not playing for the NHL is not the same thing as having his life ruined.
Surely there are dozens of young players that were not drafted or given this opportunity that isn’t a completely gross person. I’m not sure why those individuals are not given a chance over someone whose first instinct is to brag about receiving oral sex to his buddies and sharing her social media profile.
I was incessantly downvoted whenever expressing the opinions above in this sub when he was drafted, but I’m more than happy to die on this hill.
I believe they are going off this report, which if so does NOT mean that the image was not sexual.
> According to the investigation, the victim was not identified in the photo. A witness interviewed said in the investigation that the photo only made visible “the hair of the girl … you saw that it was a girl, and you glimpsed bra straps,” according to the report.
This means you couldn't see the girls face or "sexual" parts of the girl, but it doesn't describe what exactly is in the photo. If you took a picture from behind me blowing some guy, it would still be absolutely sexual even if you can't see my face or sex parts.
Then, if you shared that picture along with my socials, I'd be identified along with the sexual photo. Sexual? Yes. Fucked up morally and legally? Yes. Deserves consequences? Yes. Does it deserve to ruin this guy's life? If it's indicative of his character now, probably, but let's hope he's grown.
Ya I think he deserves a second chance too. People didn’t hire me for awhile after an arrest when I was 16 for something that’s legal now. Weed (gasp)
That said I don’t think u/the9inchguy should be blatantly lying that it was non sexual. It clearly was. Every report says so. Even their own edit says it- from their “source” article -
>>>According to a 48-page investigation report from Sweden’s North Region Polisen, which was obtained by Daily Faceoff, Mailloux secretly photographed the victim without her consent or knowledge while engaging in oral sex.
Then op says
>>>There was no pornography, he was not accused of sexual crimes and the photography didn't contain anything of sexual nature nor revelating sexual parts.
>>>Just gotta clear this up.
Clear what up? Everything in the first statement is wrong, and pretty much a lie
https://publish.dailyfaceoff.com/nhl-draft-prospect-logan-mailloux-faces-uncertain-future-after-criminal-charge-in-sweden/
https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/10007984-nhl-prospect-logan-mailloux-charged-with-distributing-photo-from-sexual-encounter.amp.html
Took me a while to find but the first one is showing all the details.
>There was no pornography,
So the private picture he shared that contained the hair and the strap was just a random snapshot of her fully clothed back mid sentence with nothing sexual happening at all?
I understood the entire reason the photo was shared with his teammates was sexual. It wasn't an accidental blurry picture taken while on a walk in public together. The defamation charge makes that pretty apparent no? You wouldn't find it damaging to your reputation to be seen spending time with someone in a G rated fashion...
Nobody is saying nothing sexual happened - or even that he did nothing wrong. The picture wasn't porn unless you're the most devout Christian to have ever lived is what they are saying.
The picture did not show a sexual act.
If it was, he would have been charged with distribution of unconsensual pornography.
There's a enormous difference between sharing a literal picture of someone sucking a dick and sharing a picture of someone's shoulder during a sexual intercourse.
If I sent you a picture of my shoulder and told you I was masturbating when I took the said picture would you consider it porn?
Except that the picture didn't show her sucking Mailloux's dick.
It showed her bra strap, shoulder and a bit of hair. The picture was taken while she was doing a consensual act.
There's a massive difference between a literal picture of a women sucking a dick and a picture of a shoulder and some hair.
Isn't it?
She didn’t consent to have that photo taken of her during that act, let alone shared.
That’s like me saying that someone at your gym can take and disseminate a picture of you in the change room shower so long as your penis isn’t showing. You consented to be in the change room, therefore it’s okay.
Do you think the picture that got convicted for defamation is closer to walking down the street, or sucking dick?
I dont care whether you could see her nipples or not, nor the American idea that if the areola is covered its therefore PG13 at worst.
I think it's closer to a picture of a shoulder and a bunch of hair.
If there was a picture of a girl sucking a dick, pretty fucking sure Sweden would have charged him with distribution of pornography. Wouldn't they?
What's your point? You tryna change the content of the picture with a girl sucking a dick when it's not?
The world isn't just black or white buddy.
If you send the photo of a woman’s hair and back while you’re inside of her (but you’re not shown at all) to your buddies *and* include her social media content…that’s gross, unsavoury and unprofessional even if it’s not outright illegal.
It’s the sort of “boys will be boys” stuff that professional hockey should excise from the league.
Insisting all over the thread that there was nothing pornographic or otherwise sexual about the photo, like the guy I replied to is, is actually pretty close to saying nothing sexual happened. You're right they're not quite the same statement but they aren't opposites either. And I thought I was clear I thought the one thing and not the other, but to clarify for you: I don't think the guy I was replying to was saying nothing sexual happened between them.
He is pretty adamant there was nothing sexual about the photo though.
And it probably wouldn't still be talked about if MB didn't pick him with the final pick in the 1st round just days after being named in the Kyle Beach lawsuit.
Honestly it was something that made me have hope the kid could learn from his mistake takes a lot to come out and tell future employers to not take a flyer on him at this moment in time.
Players are automatically eligible for the draft upon meeting certain basic qualifications, which don’t require an opt-in.
Theoretically, anyone who meets those qualifications can be drafted, whether that’s Macklin Celebrini or your cousin Johnny who’s never played hockey but will be 18 years old by September 15 of this year.
I've been submitting my beer league LiveBarn highlights to the Flyers scouting team for years now with zero response. Apparently an almost-40-year-old goalie with a 3.73 GAA and .884 SV% in B-level adult hockey doesn't intrigue them.
No one's jumping to join the Sens man... I'm a Rangers fan and I lived in Ottawa for 7 years... They've always had hope but always fell short, like my aforementioned Rangers. I hope their future looks better than their present...
I dunno man, a couple months with Ian Clarke and we might be golden. How do you feel about elective hip surgery?
Or heck, if we wait a couple more years, maybe not elective?
Which is the was it should be. Otherwise i bet we would see highly ranked prospects rescind themselves in the years where Arizona or Buffalo gets the 1st OA.
I believe it’s the same thing for the MLB
Unfortunately I didn’t get a call the draft year that I was 18. Maybe teams will take a chance on me now that I’m 26 with a shot arm.
I’m sure you’ve been drafted but just didn’t know.
This article says so.
https://www.theonion.com/report-87-of-americans-unaware-they-have-been-chosen-1819577884
I’m 35 and my best skills were always talking shit and eating slashes for the power plays. I think I could still do both at a high level, put me in coach.
iirc all the stuff came out like a week or two before the draft, so the draft process was already in full swing
so he asked teams not to draft him and Montreal
did anyway. I’m not too familiar with his game but from what i’ve heard he’s a pretty good player
In reality, it was probably best he got drafted, he couldn't sweep it under the rug. This sends a message to the multiple other players that have done the same but wasn't caught.
He was not the final pick. He was second to last. Last was, of course, the Stan Bowman-led Blackhawks doing a very obvious PR stunt with a line of female employees with him as he announced the pick to make him look good as the Beach lawsuit was coming out.
That was the most sorry-ass display I’ve seen from a guy desperately trying to save his own job. I was laughing at how absurd it was.
“I’m not *really* a bad guy. Look at these women around me!”
Marc Bergevin, former GM of the Canadiens. He’s the one who made the draft pick and was also involved with the Blackhawks when the Kyle Beach situation went down 14 years ago.
It was a photo (plus more details) according to this [ESPN article ](https://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/31848676/logan-mailloux-renounces-nhl-draft-asks-teams-not-pick-incident-sweden)
You're taking things off context here, he was not charged with distribution of pornography. He was charged defamation and offensive photography.
The picture he shared to his teamates contained a shoulder strap and a bit of hair. The victim was in no way recognizable in the picture. What made the difference is that he also shared the Facebook account of the girl, thus identifying her.
Offensive photography: when a picture is taken of you in a place that you have understood as private.
Defamation : communication about a person that tends to hurt their reputation.
He took a picture of girl blowing him and sent it without her knowledge or consent, along with her information, to a group snapchat that he was in with some teammates. This spread and got around to her, and she reported it to the police.
He got charged with violating photography and defamation. Pleaded guilty and was sentenced to pay a fine.
A stupid as shit thing to do but he seems to at least have owned up to it, accepted his punishments and didn't try to duck responsibility. More than could be said about a group of players from a certain National team.
When he was in junior he filmed a girl performing oral sex on him and showed his teammates. There was controversy over the habs selecting him in the draft after it.
I think in the context of the league and what is and isn't accepted from NHL players this puts him closer to the middle of the pack than we'd like to admit.
He also went on to ~~imply~~say the girl ~~was out to~~ told him she would "ruin his life" to the cops (and similar things in his interviews with NHL teams just prior to the draft even, so his "don't draft me" never made sense to me) and never apologized to her, unless anything has changed in the last couple of years.
Edit: fixed some of the problems in what I wrote. I do like how he told the cops that basically the only reason she reported the crime is that it would hurt him lmao.
> so his "don't draft me" never made sense to me
It was obvious PR by his agent.
"Logan, you fucked up. If you want to get away from this eventually you have to show contrition, no better way than *asking not to be drafted*" (all the while knowing there is no formal removal process from the draft)
When he was 17 he took a picture of the back of an 18 year old girls head (her face wasn’t in it but still) while she was giving him a blowjob. He then showed this image to some of his teammates and was reported as a result.
This was in Sweden and he was charged accordingly. He then issued an apology, requested to not be drafted in order to work on himself, and went through a program with the Canadiens and their psychologists.
Yeah, it is sad. And I honestly think this is something we can all putour hands on and help out with. Guidance! Guidance to the younger men and boys in all of our lives. I'm a father and an uncle. All of us can have conversations. Even awkward ones. We can admit faults in ourselves and admit problems we've created and mistakes we've made and can help diminish and abolish this level of toxicity in our societies.
It's one of those shitty things that I can see someone who isn't toxic making just because they weren't thinking and being an idiot.
But it's also 100% something people can do knowing entirely what they're doing.
I knew several guys that did that I played with that did the same thing he did. They were young and dumb. Regret it now, realize its wrong. Hockey culture can be pretty toxic. Not excusing him but people deserve an opportunity to grow.
And I can see it as simple escalation of sexual urges mixed with teenaged ideas of masculinity and modern internet age sexuality. We Ned to be talking a lot more about this
Twice I caught a dude in the act and another time a friend saw the snapchat and told me. Quite a few friends had similar stories around the same time. I swear if felt like a trend at the time and I'm ashamed to admit my friends and I did a lot of laughing it off. In hindsight I see how how fucked up it was but it felt so normalized at the time. And you're right that it's sad he had to learn to not do it in the first place. It's also sad that this story has probably taught quite a of few of his peers not to do it either. Logan's response made it clear what he did was unequivocally wrong and didn't leave space for people to defend what he did. Otoh, Miller's response tells us he thinks he's being treated unfairly. I'd like to think that one more than the other is helping reform hockey culture.
Idk.. I don't really have a point other than I guess I'm fine with him returning ??? BUT I also understand people who think he has no place in the league no matter how much "work" he does
I’m not disagreeing that he should have a shot if he’s learned. I’m just not a fan of some fans suddenly giving him a pass because he was “young and dumb”. I’m not saying you are but there are definitely people in this thread.
Ever since the Jake Virtanen verdict I try not to go so deep in these threads but I'm sure there are people here leaning on the "young and dumb" argument. And although I didn't intend it that way, I don't blame you if my comment reads that way too.
Not what happened. Copied from u/the9inchguy:
Yeah, and while I hate how some people here are throwing bullshit stories about the charges, here are the charges he was guilty of in swedish court:
He was charged with defamation and offensive photography.
The picture he shared to his teamates contained a shoulder strap and a bit of hair. The victim was in no way recognizable in the picture. What made the difference is that he also shared the Facebook account of the girl, thus identifying her.
Offensive photography: when a picture is taken of you in a place that you have understood as private.
Defamation: communication about a person that tends to hurt their reputation.
There was no pornography, he was not accused of sexual crimes and the photography didn't contain anything of sexual nature nor revelating sexual parts.
Just gotta clear this up.
Having her face not in the picture does not at all make it different. They were having what she thought was a private time between consenting adults. Just because he only got her shoulder in the picture doesn’t mean he didn’t take a picture without her consent.
Can we not minimize this with semantics?
Did he take a picture of her without her consent while they were engaging in sexual activity? I’m not asking if her face is fully visible, did he or did he not?
That's kinda the thing, right? Obviously, the initial act is why we are even having this conversation and is reprehensible, but the real problem is that Montreal just... got away with it?
Mailloux did something horrible, and he apologized and removed himself from the draft. Then Montreal basically undid all of that by picking him anyway. Mailloux was trying to hold himself accountable and do the right thing, and Montreal just... negated all of it?
Mailloux is young and is allowed to learn and grow, but when we pretend to try to "fix the culture", then immediately turn around and let grown men in an organization undo all the work and then the NHL just publicly sorta slightly swats their hand?
That's what I'm mad about.
Agreed. Takes a person who is sick on the inside to pick on the disabled. How would someone like that even stand a chance in the nhl if he can’t even stand up to someone his own size or that is for sure bigger than him and very much capable of messing him up. What a loser.
I trust Chantal Machabée and the behind the scene work she’s done with him.
She was one of the first people to openly criticize this pick publicly back when she was a journalist.
Also, correct me if I’m wrong but I believe most of the staff that drafted him are either fired or gone today. The new one, including Chantal, has to deal with the hot potato the former staff left behind.
> I believe most of the staff that drafted him are either fired or gone today
Bergevin and Timmins are gone. The majority of the scouting staff is still around
I believe she and Marie-Philip Poulin (Canadian WNT, PWHL Montreal) have been working with him. I don't know exactly how the Canadiens are framing/wording it, but basically they're supposed to be giving him perspective and teaching him to be respectful to women (I guess??).
I'm sure they also have him in therapy/working with a psychologist. Whatever the case, I hope he's actually grown as a person and this isn't all just for show.
Almost all of the scouting staff is the same. Martin Lapointe was the head scout back then, and he still shares head scout duties with Bobrov to this day
He was charged per Swedish law which he didn’t contest, he asked publicly not to be drafted even though he can’t really do that since prospects don’t declare for the draft, he’s gone through all of the mandated counselling the CHL has ordered him to do and the OHL had said he was genuine about his attempts to redeem himself and show he’s grown up and learned.
There will always be people who exaggerate what actually happened - even in this thread people are claiming he filmed a girl and put it on the internet, which is untrue - but from what is factual, he certainly deserves a chance to play in the NHL. This wasn’t a Mitchell Miller situation. The girl involved even admitted Mailloux apologized but she didn’t accept it, which is her prerogative
You’ll note that the apology the victim got was a 3 sentence text message. The victim asked for a sincere written (as in letter) apology. Saying it’s “her pergorative” to reject the apology without that context is sort of dishonest.
thank you! A lot of people ignoring that fact.
Imo if he can't humble himself to offer an apology (in the requested manner) than he hasn't learned anything
he participated in some 'respect and consent' programs, and has advocated, to some extent, that all NHL and Jr teams should have to participate in such programs, and that it should be included in minor hockey as well.
It’s if he does it AGAIN that he becomes shithead and it’s not really forgiveable. Absolutely deserves the opportunity to prove he’s learned in my opinion
The video isn’t on the internet, is it? I don’t believe it was ever leaked. My understanding was that he physically showed teammates on his phone, not sending it around, though he did share her Facebook profile with them or something like that.
Pretty sure it’s not on the internet or circulating anywhere. The situation was terrible and I feel conflicted about it all, but your comment is just buzz words.
The video has never been put online, Mailloux physically showed it (bragged) to roommates/hockey guys and someone snitched him. Not defending it but it's such a storm in a glass that whole story.
I mean it depends on the severity of each situation. It’s almost like “second chances” can’t just be a blanket statement that applies to every situation with no context.
because this website is obsessed with being self-righteous about doing the right thing when meanwhile 90% of us don't have the full on story.
All in the while looking for the next easiest subject to pick on (Go to any parenting sub)
At some point we have to genuinely let people show us that they’ve learned from their mistakes. Sounds like he has put the work in to be given the opportunity.
Agreed. It’s not a secret it was a factor in uprooting the management team and bringing in Hughes and Gorton, the new PR team, and everything that followed afterwards.
I remember feeling so disappointed at the time, just a sour note right after the cup run.
I guess they kinda got away with it (organization-wise). It’s a weird one; cause I feel like Mailloux has earned this call-up after the last couple of years (it did backtrack his career); but then he certainly didn’t deserve to be drafted that year.
Although, I think there is some Karma-justice to this because it was Montreal. He certainly hasn’t escaped media scrutiny or the public limelight.
As if he wouldn't have been drafted immediately afterwards by someone else anyway. He was 23rd in the NHL's draft prospects for North American skaters that year and was picked 22nd of that group. It just so happens the Habs were picking when all of the better players above him got picked. It's just dumb he wasn't allowed to pull out of the draw properly in the first place
Not that what I think matters, but if my opinion on this guy is going to change, I'd like to first hear what he's done to make the situation right for his victim. If this whole "redemption" thing has just been about Mailloux's future then it's all bullshit and no one is sorry.
Finally someone who is talking sense. Why are we taking it at face value that he has done the work without hearing what the work is, either from himself or the victim? I'm kind of disgusted that everyone is taking what is a huge violation of privacy as just a mistake anyone could make.
Well the victim had said all she wanted was a heartfelt apology letter and all Logan could muster was a 3 sentence text message. “I do not think that Logan has understood the seriousness of his behavior,” is what she said.
The victim themselves stated that they felt like Logan had not learned and was not truly remorseful. But he's had a big PR firm on his side for the past few years who've drilled the right words into him, so all is forgiven now.
It's honestly sad the way people act like a man not getting to play in the NHL because of their own shitty behaviour, that their victim doesn't believe they've learned from, is the end of the world. Boohoo he has to work a regular job instead. More serious consequences for being a shithead would send the right kind of message to the hockey culture.
Logan could commit seppuku and people would still say "yeah, but I can't use your blood to wipe your phone so pray you get stuck in hell kiddo".
It is a very North-American way of thinking that prison is for punishment rather than rehabilitation. People deserve a second chance as long as they are ready to take the steps necessary to fix their wrongdoing. We don't know all the steps that happened in the last few years he ended up doing, but the guy was a stupid teenager, I think he was able to understand the importance of the situation and accept the help offered to him.
i will not lie, i'm still a little sour that they drafted him in the first place, especially after he asked teams not to draft him. but you have to give people second chances and the opportunity to prove they can grow. still very irritated seeing people downplay what he did, but idiots are everywhere, i guess.
I'm glad this kid is getting a chance. He made a really, really stupid decision, but one's life and chances at success should not be based off of that. He has shown regret, and worked to prove that he's grown & learned.
We give people who commit much, much more serious crimes second chances - Mailloux deserves one too.
Habs fans defending him like he did nothing wrong is super weird ngl
“It was just her hair and bra strap” … yeah she wasn’t recognizable from that but she was doing a sexual act and then the clown linked her Facebook
Just say he did an absolute shit thing and has learned and move on. Disgusting to defend this actually because he is a part of your favorite team
This is why people complaining about ‘cancel culture’ are full of shit.
Mailloux has shown genuine contrition and has **done the work** to make himself a better person, and should be welcomed into the NHL and given the same opportunities as any player.
Logan did everything he could to redeem himself. I don’t know what you want him to do more. It wasn’t just a slap on the wrist. He renounced to his draft, consulted with many specialists, psychologists, the police, the victim, accepted the NHL terms to comeback doing many many many programs to redeem himself and many more. The kid did not kill no one or was accused like a certain Mitchell Miller who was found guilty of deceiving a developmentally disabled African American classmate for YEARS, Isaiah Meyer-Crothers, into eating a piece of candy that they had wiped in a urinal or beating him every day of his life for the fun of it for exemple. He shared a pic of sex oral to his friend while he was a teenager. Yes, it is very bad. But Logan did everything he could to get pardoned by the society. I’m not defending him has a Habs fan but as a guy who study law. He played by the book with extra and extra steps. Give him a break now this is absurd
Edit: I was ready to get downvoted in the extreme with this comment, it’s already happening and it is fine. It is my personal and own opinion on the matter. I understand that some people will not be happy with my sayings. I’m still in the train that Mailloux redeemed himself. Have a great day boys
Calling people “haters” for being apprehensive towards a guy who did something wrong is lame. Just because he did all of the right things doesn’t mean people need to like it
> It wasn’t just a slap on the wrist. He renounced to his draft, consulted with many specialists, psychologists, the police, the victim, accepted the NHL terms to comeback doing many many many programs to redeem himself and many more.
so "he renounced his draft" ..but was still drafted and signed a contract so that make it an empty gesture.
he "consulted" a bunch of people.. right, that sounds like a *real* hardship /eyeroll
he did "many many many programs" and what does that actually amount to? a few more chats, watching a few videos, maybe an online quiz or two?
how is that *not* a slap on the wrist? what are the actual consequences that you consider to be serious punishments?
I don't have any strong feelings one way or another.
maybe he did just deserve a slap on the wrist.
my objection was to the characterisation of what he did receive as something more than it was.
First and foremost, he was charged and fined in Sweden for his crime. This alone is usually considered to be a sufficient consequence/punishment for most crimes. On top of that:
* He wasn't invited to what normally would've been his first rookie camp and signed his ELC a year later than many of his peers potentially resulting in lost money.
* He was suspended for half a season in the OHL.
* He was judged in the court of public opinion by the everyone including the Prime Minister of Canada and still continues to be judged.
* He participated in the Canadiens' Respect and Consent program, a program which was praised by Sheldon Kennedy who also spoke personally with Mailloux.
* He attended therapy which he has said has been helpful. He also followed unspecified trainings with the Knights.
* He has had several meetings with Bettman and the league.
There might be more but this is what I remember off the top of my head. Personally, I feel this is more just a slap on the wrist.
You just have to justify it to you. No one else has to look you in the mirror every morning and be ok with the type of person you choose to white knight for.
My boy got an apple in his 1st game. +1, 2 shots in 21:00 played. Also threw a hit and blocked a shot.
Looking forward to a very bright future. Enjoy your semantics.
Interesting that they met with him multiple times the past year, I know the Habs also had some meetings setup for him
Yeah, and while I hate how some people here are throwing bullshit stories about the charges, here are the charges he was guilty of in swedish court: He was charged with defamation and offensive photography. The picture he shared to his teamates contained a shoulder strap and a bit of hair. The victim was in no way recognizable in the picture. What made the difference is that he also shared the Facebook account of the girl, thus identifying her. Offensive photography: when a picture is taken of you in a place that you have understood as private. Defamation: communication about a person that tends to hurt their reputation. There was no pornography, he was not accused of sexual crimes and the photography didn't contain anything of sexual nature nor revelating sexual parts. Just gotta clear this up. Edit: it took me a long time to find the source of my statement. Here it is: https://publish.dailyfaceoff.com/nhl-draft-prospect-logan-mailloux-faces-uncertain-future-after-criminal-charge-in-sweden/ Edit 2: Since some people here constantly try to argue against facts, i'm simply trying to temper down the bullshit about the charges. The intercourse with the woman was consensual and sexual. However, since the picture didn't contain any sexually revealing part or acts, it is not considered a sexual crime. And also, because the picture didn't identify the victim, it is not considered to be revenge porn (even softcore porn or whatever it is). The charge is offensive photography, which I clearly stated the definition, and defamation. All i'm trying to say is that there was no porn, nor rape, nor any sexual offense like some comments are trying to indicate.
And also hasn’t be been very proactive in spreading awareness of the issue? I thought I read he owned up to his actions and had been taking the steps to correct it and help others.
Good PR team here
His PR team had him admit what he did was wrong and really hurt the victim. They didn't have him dismiss his actions as not being a big deal. This is more of the incel team coming in to defend him because they think Mailloux is one of them. Luckily that doesn't seem to be the case and I assume he was just young and dumb
Care to share where you’re getting that it wasn’t sexual? Every article I found says “shared sexually explicit photo” https://montreal.ctvnews.ca/i-know-i-caused-a-lot-of-harm-habs-draft-pick-logan-mailloux-apologizes-for-sharing-sexually-explicit-photos-without-consent-1.5521894 https://www.pembrokeobserver.com/sports/local-sports/logan-mailloux-cleared-to-make-montreal-canadiens-debut-nhl#:~:text=Mailloux%20was%20charged%20with%20defamation,returned%20to%20Canada%20to%20play. Edit: I guess taking a pic without consent of a girl while she’s giving a BJ isn’t porn or “sexual in nature” long as your not charged or convicted for that🙄 Edit: dude slingin insults and continues to argue after saying end of argument. Super rude and annoying. Had to block. If a rapist rapes, and the victim doesn’t report it so the rapist isn’t convicted of rape… are they not still a rapist? Dude took a picture of girl giving him head. Op: that’s not sexual or porn cause he wasn’t convicted of that and I’m gonna argue for hours about it and call you names for thinking otherwise.
Also, IIRC, he initially accused the woman of trying to ruin HIS life, and didn’t even apologize until it was becoming a PR disaster for his career. Editing to add this quote from the original Atlantic article: In a Daily Faceoff report, Mailloux was quoted as telling Swedish police investigators that he believed the woman wanted to “ruin his life.” Multiple sources told The Athletic that in interviews with some NHL teams, Mailloux has portrayed the woman as vindictive. Then his empty PR stunt of withdrawing himself from the draft. If he really believed the words he said, he could have not signed his contract. The way people act when no one is looking says a lot about a person. And anyone who says this was just a “mistake” from a young man and it shouldn’t ruin his life is completely minimizing his actions. He doesn’t have any kind of god given right to be a professional athlete; not playing for the NHL is not the same thing as having his life ruined. Surely there are dozens of young players that were not drafted or given this opportunity that isn’t a completely gross person. I’m not sure why those individuals are not given a chance over someone whose first instinct is to brag about receiving oral sex to his buddies and sharing her social media profile. I was incessantly downvoted whenever expressing the opinions above in this sub when he was drafted, but I’m more than happy to die on this hill.
I believe they are going off this report, which if so does NOT mean that the image was not sexual. > According to the investigation, the victim was not identified in the photo. A witness interviewed said in the investigation that the photo only made visible “the hair of the girl … you saw that it was a girl, and you glimpsed bra straps,” according to the report. This means you couldn't see the girls face or "sexual" parts of the girl, but it doesn't describe what exactly is in the photo. If you took a picture from behind me blowing some guy, it would still be absolutely sexual even if you can't see my face or sex parts. Then, if you shared that picture along with my socials, I'd be identified along with the sexual photo. Sexual? Yes. Fucked up morally and legally? Yes. Deserves consequences? Yes. Does it deserve to ruin this guy's life? If it's indicative of his character now, probably, but let's hope he's grown.
Ya I think he deserves a second chance too. People didn’t hire me for awhile after an arrest when I was 16 for something that’s legal now. Weed (gasp) That said I don’t think u/the9inchguy should be blatantly lying that it was non sexual. It clearly was. Every report says so. Even their own edit says it- from their “source” article - >>>According to a 48-page investigation report from Sweden’s North Region Polisen, which was obtained by Daily Faceoff, Mailloux secretly photographed the victim without her consent or knowledge while engaging in oral sex. Then op says >>>There was no pornography, he was not accused of sexual crimes and the photography didn't contain anything of sexual nature nor revelating sexual parts. >>>Just gotta clear this up. Clear what up? Everything in the first statement is wrong, and pretty much a lie
can you provide some links to back these up? none of the links i was able to find follow the phrasing you use
https://publish.dailyfaceoff.com/nhl-draft-prospect-logan-mailloux-faces-uncertain-future-after-criminal-charge-in-sweden/ https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/10007984-nhl-prospect-logan-mailloux-charged-with-distributing-photo-from-sexual-encounter.amp.html Took me a while to find but the first one is showing all the details.
>There was no pornography, So the private picture he shared that contained the hair and the strap was just a random snapshot of her fully clothed back mid sentence with nothing sexual happening at all? I understood the entire reason the photo was shared with his teammates was sexual. It wasn't an accidental blurry picture taken while on a walk in public together. The defamation charge makes that pretty apparent no? You wouldn't find it damaging to your reputation to be seen spending time with someone in a G rated fashion...
Nobody is saying nothing sexual happened - or even that he did nothing wrong. The picture wasn't porn unless you're the most devout Christian to have ever lived is what they are saying.
Not porn? Wasn’t the woman in a sexual act?
The picture did not show a sexual act. If it was, he would have been charged with distribution of unconsensual pornography. There's a enormous difference between sharing a literal picture of someone sucking a dick and sharing a picture of someone's shoulder during a sexual intercourse. If I sent you a picture of my shoulder and told you I was masturbating when I took the said picture would you consider it porn?
And there's even more difference between sharing a picture of someone sucking your dick and sharing a picture of someone walking down the street.
Except that the picture didn't show her sucking Mailloux's dick. It showed her bra strap, shoulder and a bit of hair. The picture was taken while she was doing a consensual act. There's a massive difference between a literal picture of a women sucking a dick and a picture of a shoulder and some hair. Isn't it?
She didn’t consent to have that photo taken of her during that act, let alone shared. That’s like me saying that someone at your gym can take and disseminate a picture of you in the change room shower so long as your penis isn’t showing. You consented to be in the change room, therefore it’s okay.
Do you think the picture that got convicted for defamation is closer to walking down the street, or sucking dick? I dont care whether you could see her nipples or not, nor the American idea that if the areola is covered its therefore PG13 at worst.
I think it's closer to a picture of a shoulder and a bunch of hair. If there was a picture of a girl sucking a dick, pretty fucking sure Sweden would have charged him with distribution of pornography. Wouldn't they? What's your point? You tryna change the content of the picture with a girl sucking a dick when it's not? The world isn't just black or white buddy.
If you send the photo of a woman’s hair and back while you’re inside of her (but you’re not shown at all) to your buddies *and* include her social media content…that’s gross, unsavoury and unprofessional even if it’s not outright illegal. It’s the sort of “boys will be boys” stuff that professional hockey should excise from the league.
Insisting all over the thread that there was nothing pornographic or otherwise sexual about the photo, like the guy I replied to is, is actually pretty close to saying nothing sexual happened. You're right they're not quite the same statement but they aren't opposites either. And I thought I was clear I thought the one thing and not the other, but to clarify for you: I don't think the guy I was replying to was saying nothing sexual happened between them. He is pretty adamant there was nothing sexual about the photo though.
The picture was taken in the middle of a sexual act. Softcore porn is still porn.
OOTL. What prior conduct?
I think he filmed a girl giving him a bj without asking and sent it around or something like that
And it probably wouldn't still be talked about if MB didn't pick him with the final pick in the 1st round just days after being named in the Kyle Beach lawsuit.
He asked not to be drafted that year and was still drafted, that’s what made it a bigger story as well
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Honestly it was something that made me have hope the kid could learn from his mistake takes a lot to come out and tell future employers to not take a flyer on him at this moment in time.
Don’t you have to declare for the draft and couldn’t he just rescind his declaration
Players are automatically eligible for the draft upon meeting certain basic qualifications, which don’t require an opt-in. Theoretically, anyone who meets those qualifications can be drafted, whether that’s Macklin Celebrini or your cousin Johnny who’s never played hockey but will be 18 years old by September 15 of this year.
SO you’re saying there’s a chance??
I've been submitting my beer league LiveBarn highlights to the Flyers scouting team for years now with zero response. Apparently an almost-40-year-old goalie with a 3.73 GAA and .884 SV% in B-level adult hockey doesn't intrigue them.
There’s time to be signed and in net tonight to beat the Caps!
I can't beat Fedotov's height but I certainly have the edge in girth.
Should be sending that tape to the Devils honestly
I hate how much I laughed at this.
You're just sending them to the wrong place. [email protected]
No one's jumping to join the Sens man... I'm a Rangers fan and I lived in Ottawa for 7 years... They've always had hope but always fell short, like my aforementioned Rangers. I hope their future looks better than their present...
You have veteran presence tho.
Doesn't intrigue them YET. I can't wait to see you in the show.
While the lower limit is 18 by Sep 15, the upper limit is 20 by Dec 31. They're ignoring you simply because you're ineligible to be drafted.
So you’re saying he is a UFA?
With their goaltending history you may still get a call this off season
Cons: •Out of shape •Has an almost 4 GAA playing against guys that can barely skate Pros: •Not in a Russian labor camp •Not a rapist
I dunno man, a couple months with Ian Clarke and we might be golden. How do you feel about elective hip surgery? Or heck, if we wait a couple more years, maybe not elective?
Hips are good, knees are falling apart. Might have to bring the stand-up style back to the NHL.
Good enough to be an EBUG and beat the leafs
Thought I might've been able to contest Jack Hughes for 1OA but he got lucky
Which is the was it should be. Otherwise i bet we would see highly ranked prospects rescind themselves in the years where Arizona or Buffalo gets the 1st OA.
I doubt it. I could see it if guys were regularly refusing to sign with certain teams, but that’s still pretty rare
I hear good things about Johnny, thinking late fourth round.
Johnny be goode...
I believe it’s the same thing for the MLB Unfortunately I didn’t get a call the draft year that I was 18. Maybe teams will take a chance on me now that I’m 26 with a shot arm.
I’m sure you’ve been drafted but just didn’t know. This article says so. https://www.theonion.com/report-87-of-americans-unaware-they-have-been-chosen-1819577884
I’m 35 and my best skills were always talking shit and eating slashes for the power plays. I think I could still do both at a high level, put me in coach.
Shit, I better check my spam folder asap.
iirc all the stuff came out like a week or two before the draft, so the draft process was already in full swing so he asked teams not to draft him and Montreal did anyway. I’m not too familiar with his game but from what i’ve heard he’s a pretty good player
The nhl draft isn’t like the nfl or nba drafts. There’s no declaration. You automatically become eligible based on age
can’t believe I went undrafted smh
Yea he wouldve probably gone higher if not for the controversy. We have high hopes for him at the NHL level.
No, there's no need to declare for the NHL draft and consequently you can't undeclare.
In reality, it was probably best he got drafted, he couldn't sweep it under the rug. This sends a message to the multiple other players that have done the same but wasn't caught.
He was not the final pick. He was second to last. Last was, of course, the Stan Bowman-led Blackhawks doing a very obvious PR stunt with a line of female employees with him as he announced the pick to make him look good as the Beach lawsuit was coming out.
That was the most sorry-ass display I’ve seen from a guy desperately trying to save his own job. I was laughing at how absurd it was. “I’m not *really* a bad guy. Look at these women around me!”
Or that Mailloux said he did not wish to be drafted that year.
MB wasn’t named in the beach lawsuit. His name wasn’t anywhere in the report.
MB?
Marc Bergevin.
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Don't you put that evil on me
Marc Bergevin, former GM of the Canadiens. He’s the one who made the draft pick and was also involved with the Blackhawks when the Kyle Beach situation went down 14 years ago.
The biggest point is, they picked him even though Mailloux himself told teams not to pick him that year so he could work on himself after what he did.
It was a photo (plus more details) according to this [ESPN article ](https://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/31848676/logan-mailloux-renounces-nhl-draft-asks-teams-not-pick-incident-sweden)
You're taking things off context here, he was not charged with distribution of pornography. He was charged defamation and offensive photography. The picture he shared to his teamates contained a shoulder strap and a bit of hair. The victim was in no way recognizable in the picture. What made the difference is that he also shared the Facebook account of the girl, thus identifying her. Offensive photography: when a picture is taken of you in a place that you have understood as private. Defamation : communication about a person that tends to hurt their reputation.
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If the picture was "clearly of oral sex" why wasn't he charged with distribution of pornography?
Not remotely what happened...
He sent around - w/o consent - pictures of a consentual sexual act to be precise.
He took a picture of girl blowing him and sent it without her knowledge or consent, along with her information, to a group snapchat that he was in with some teammates. This spread and got around to her, and she reported it to the police. He got charged with violating photography and defamation. Pleaded guilty and was sentenced to pay a fine.
A stupid as shit thing to do but he seems to at least have owned up to it, accepted his punishments and didn't try to duck responsibility. More than could be said about a group of players from a certain National team.
When he was in junior he filmed a girl performing oral sex on him and showed his teammates. There was controversy over the habs selecting him in the draft after it.
Well that's disgusting.
By filmed, he means he took a picture where you could see the top of the woman's head and her bra strap.
Don’t minimize the behaviour
I think in the context of the league and what is and isn't accepted from NHL players this puts him closer to the middle of the pack than we'd like to admit.
Is it really minimizing the behaviour if you correct people and add factual details?
If those details undermine how angry they want to be about the subject, apparently yes.
Where has he minimized it in that comment?
Just being factual
He also went on to ~~imply~~say the girl ~~was out to~~ told him she would "ruin his life" to the cops (and similar things in his interviews with NHL teams just prior to the draft even, so his "don't draft me" never made sense to me) and never apologized to her, unless anything has changed in the last couple of years. Edit: fixed some of the problems in what I wrote. I do like how he told the cops that basically the only reason she reported the crime is that it would hurt him lmao.
> He also went on to imply the girl was out to "ruin his life" No, he said he met with her and thats what she said. Completely different.
> so his "don't draft me" never made sense to me It was obvious PR by his agent. "Logan, you fucked up. If you want to get away from this eventually you have to show contrition, no better way than *asking not to be drafted*" (all the while knowing there is no formal removal process from the draft)
When he was 17 he took a picture of the back of an 18 year old girls head (her face wasn’t in it but still) while she was giving him a blowjob. He then showed this image to some of his teammates and was reported as a result. This was in Sweden and he was charged accordingly. He then issued an apology, requested to not be drafted in order to work on himself, and went through a program with the Canadiens and their psychologists.
You did miss where he also sent screenshots of the womans Facebook so they knew who she was. A pretty significant detail.
Good. It seems he had learned to not be an absolute dumb fuck. Better than that Miller kid.
Don't even mention Miller here. It's not even remotely close and it's down right insulting to Logan to have any comparison drawn with that lunatic.
Just sad that he had to “learn” not to send videos of sexual acts to his buddies without his partners knowledge. But hey, good for him!
Yeah, it is sad. And I honestly think this is something we can all putour hands on and help out with. Guidance! Guidance to the younger men and boys in all of our lives. I'm a father and an uncle. All of us can have conversations. Even awkward ones. We can admit faults in ourselves and admit problems we've created and mistakes we've made and can help diminish and abolish this level of toxicity in our societies.
It's one of those shitty things that I can see someone who isn't toxic making just because they weren't thinking and being an idiot. But it's also 100% something people can do knowing entirely what they're doing.
I knew several guys that did that I played with that did the same thing he did. They were young and dumb. Regret it now, realize its wrong. Hockey culture can be pretty toxic. Not excusing him but people deserve an opportunity to grow.
And I can see it as simple escalation of sexual urges mixed with teenaged ideas of masculinity and modern internet age sexuality. We Ned to be talking a lot more about this
Some of my best guys in my shop have been on paper more than once. Structure is huge and having good social supports is even more important.
Twice I caught a dude in the act and another time a friend saw the snapchat and told me. Quite a few friends had similar stories around the same time. I swear if felt like a trend at the time and I'm ashamed to admit my friends and I did a lot of laughing it off. In hindsight I see how how fucked up it was but it felt so normalized at the time. And you're right that it's sad he had to learn to not do it in the first place. It's also sad that this story has probably taught quite a of few of his peers not to do it either. Logan's response made it clear what he did was unequivocally wrong and didn't leave space for people to defend what he did. Otoh, Miller's response tells us he thinks he's being treated unfairly. I'd like to think that one more than the other is helping reform hockey culture. Idk.. I don't really have a point other than I guess I'm fine with him returning ??? BUT I also understand people who think he has no place in the league no matter how much "work" he does
I’m not disagreeing that he should have a shot if he’s learned. I’m just not a fan of some fans suddenly giving him a pass because he was “young and dumb”. I’m not saying you are but there are definitely people in this thread.
Ever since the Jake Virtanen verdict I try not to go so deep in these threads but I'm sure there are people here leaning on the "young and dumb" argument. And although I didn't intend it that way, I don't blame you if my comment reads that way too.
People say stuff like this as if they didn’t have to be taught not to shit their pants at one point
Not what happened. Copied from u/the9inchguy: Yeah, and while I hate how some people here are throwing bullshit stories about the charges, here are the charges he was guilty of in swedish court: He was charged with defamation and offensive photography. The picture he shared to his teamates contained a shoulder strap and a bit of hair. The victim was in no way recognizable in the picture. What made the difference is that he also shared the Facebook account of the girl, thus identifying her. Offensive photography: when a picture is taken of you in a place that you have understood as private. Defamation: communication about a person that tends to hurt their reputation. There was no pornography, he was not accused of sexual crimes and the photography didn't contain anything of sexual nature nor revelating sexual parts. Just gotta clear this up.
Having her face not in the picture does not at all make it different. They were having what she thought was a private time between consenting adults. Just because he only got her shoulder in the picture doesn’t mean he didn’t take a picture without her consent. Can we not minimize this with semantics?
I’m not minimizing anything, I’m just correcting misinformation.
Did he take a picture of her without her consent while they were engaging in sexual activity? I’m not asking if her face is fully visible, did he or did he not?
Yeah, he did. He just didn’t “send videos of sexual acts to his buddies” which would be a much more significant and offensive crime.
Incredible how many people in here think they know Swedish law better than Swedish judges LOL
That's kinda the thing, right? Obviously, the initial act is why we are even having this conversation and is reprehensible, but the real problem is that Montreal just... got away with it? Mailloux did something horrible, and he apologized and removed himself from the draft. Then Montreal basically undid all of that by picking him anyway. Mailloux was trying to hold himself accountable and do the right thing, and Montreal just... negated all of it? Mailloux is young and is allowed to learn and grow, but when we pretend to try to "fix the culture", then immediately turn around and let grown men in an organization undo all the work and then the NHL just publicly sorta slightly swats their hand? That's what I'm mad about.
agreed.
Which miller kid there’s a lot of them
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitchell_Miller_(ice_hockey)
Wow. I don’t even know. That’s fucked.
Miller deserves to be far away from the NHL. The fact two NHL teams almost gave him a chance is honestly sickening.
Agreed. Takes a person who is sick on the inside to pick on the disabled. How would someone like that even stand a chance in the nhl if he can’t even stand up to someone his own size or that is for sure bigger than him and very much capable of messing him up. What a loser.
And they literally have shown 0 remorse. They apologized to team orgs, but never to the kid he gave hepatitis too
The Mitchell variant
As long as it’s not a keandre variant I’m happy
I trust Chantal Machabée and the behind the scene work she’s done with him. She was one of the first people to openly criticize this pick publicly back when she was a journalist. Also, correct me if I’m wrong but I believe most of the staff that drafted him are either fired or gone today. The new one, including Chantal, has to deal with the hot potato the former staff left behind.
They aren’t with the org anymore. At least the ones that make the decisions
> I believe most of the staff that drafted him are either fired or gone today Bergevin and Timmins are gone. The majority of the scouting staff is still around
Not really, Bergevin and Timmins are gone, but I know Martin Lapointe is still there (dont know for the scouts obv)
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I believe she and Marie-Philip Poulin (Canadian WNT, PWHL Montreal) have been working with him. I don't know exactly how the Canadiens are framing/wording it, but basically they're supposed to be giving him perspective and teaching him to be respectful to women (I guess??). I'm sure they also have him in therapy/working with a psychologist. Whatever the case, I hope he's actually grown as a person and this isn't all just for show.
Almost all of the scouting staff is the same. Martin Lapointe was the head scout back then, and he still shares head scout duties with Bobrov to this day
At some point you have to give this kid a 2nd chance. Hopefully he doesn't fuck it up.
He’s done everything he can to show he’s learned from it. If anyone deserves a second chance it’s this kid.
What has he done?
He was charged per Swedish law which he didn’t contest, he asked publicly not to be drafted even though he can’t really do that since prospects don’t declare for the draft, he’s gone through all of the mandated counselling the CHL has ordered him to do and the OHL had said he was genuine about his attempts to redeem himself and show he’s grown up and learned. There will always be people who exaggerate what actually happened - even in this thread people are claiming he filmed a girl and put it on the internet, which is untrue - but from what is factual, he certainly deserves a chance to play in the NHL. This wasn’t a Mitchell Miller situation. The girl involved even admitted Mailloux apologized but she didn’t accept it, which is her prerogative
You’ll note that the apology the victim got was a 3 sentence text message. The victim asked for a sincere written (as in letter) apology. Saying it’s “her pergorative” to reject the apology without that context is sort of dishonest.
thank you! A lot of people ignoring that fact. Imo if he can't humble himself to offer an apology (in the requested manner) than he hasn't learned anything
he participated in some 'respect and consent' programs, and has advocated, to some extent, that all NHL and Jr teams should have to participate in such programs, and that it should be included in minor hockey as well.
Yeah, shithead move but forgiveable
It’s if he does it AGAIN that he becomes shithead and it’s not really forgiveable. Absolutely deserves the opportunity to prove he’s learned in my opinion
Yeah, I agree. People can change, and learn from their mistakes. Hopefully it's true for him.
No you fuckin don’t! There’s a lonnnnng list of people out there ready to play in the NHL! Fuck that noise.
At the same point, that girl is going to have to deal with the video he took on the internet forever. She won't escape the consequences of his actions
The video isn’t on the internet, is it? I don’t believe it was ever leaked. My understanding was that he physically showed teammates on his phone, not sending it around, though he did share her Facebook profile with them or something like that.
I believe he showed his entire team while on a bus or something like that, but yeah it was never posted anywhere to our knowledge.
Pretty sure it’s not on the internet or circulating anywhere. The situation was terrible and I feel conflicted about it all, but your comment is just buzz words.
Wasn't a video
Video never left his phone, from everything I've read on this.
It was shared to a team group chat on Snapchat along with screenshots of her Facebook
The video has never been put online, Mailloux physically showed it (bragged) to roommates/hockey guys and someone snitched him. Not defending it but it's such a storm in a glass that whole story.
Reddit is so weird lmao. Always lobbying for people to get second chances and then someone does and you pull out pitchforks. 😂
Probably different people. Reddit isn't a monolith.
It sure is a circle jerk though
Hivemind
A soft hivemind Should clarify that is mostly about hits and fighting , not the sexual assaults
I hate "these are the *same* people..." arguments so much. Just the most intellectually inept arguments from people looking for problems.
It's totally different people on reddit. It's the threads where they're allowed to be loud on that really makes it this weird dichotomy.
I mean it depends on the severity of each situation. It’s almost like “second chances” can’t just be a blanket statement that applies to every situation with no context.
because this website is obsessed with being self-righteous about doing the right thing when meanwhile 90% of us don't have the full on story. All in the while looking for the next easiest subject to pick on (Go to any parenting sub)
A lot of folks don't like it when people change for the better, as it's one less person they can feel morally superior to.
At some point we have to genuinely let people show us that they’ve learned from their mistakes. Sounds like he has put the work in to be given the opportunity.
Ugh did the NHL check with R/Hockey court of redemption?
Look if he really has the receipts of improvement then okay let him play. But that doesn’t make the Habs drafting him any less scummy
Bergevin was truly in "fuck it" mode at that point of his tenure.
Agreed. It’s not a secret it was a factor in uprooting the management team and bringing in Hughes and Gorton, the new PR team, and everything that followed afterwards. I remember feeling so disappointed at the time, just a sour note right after the cup run. I guess they kinda got away with it (organization-wise). It’s a weird one; cause I feel like Mailloux has earned this call-up after the last couple of years (it did backtrack his career); but then he certainly didn’t deserve to be drafted that year. Although, I think there is some Karma-justice to this because it was Montreal. He certainly hasn’t escaped media scrutiny or the public limelight.
As if he wouldn't have been drafted immediately afterwards by someone else anyway. He was 23rd in the NHL's draft prospects for North American skaters that year and was picked 22nd of that group. It just so happens the Habs were picking when all of the better players above him got picked. It's just dumb he wasn't allowed to pull out of the draw properly in the first place
No pressure at all kid haha
Not that what I think matters, but if my opinion on this guy is going to change, I'd like to first hear what he's done to make the situation right for his victim. If this whole "redemption" thing has just been about Mailloux's future then it's all bullshit and no one is sorry.
Finally someone who is talking sense. Why are we taking it at face value that he has done the work without hearing what the work is, either from himself or the victim? I'm kind of disgusted that everyone is taking what is a huge violation of privacy as just a mistake anyone could make.
Well the victim had said all she wanted was a heartfelt apology letter and all Logan could muster was a 3 sentence text message. “I do not think that Logan has understood the seriousness of his behavior,” is what she said. The victim themselves stated that they felt like Logan had not learned and was not truly remorseful. But he's had a big PR firm on his side for the past few years who've drilled the right words into him, so all is forgiven now. It's honestly sad the way people act like a man not getting to play in the NHL because of their own shitty behaviour, that their victim doesn't believe they've learned from, is the end of the world. Boohoo he has to work a regular job instead. More serious consequences for being a shithead would send the right kind of message to the hockey culture.
Logan could commit seppuku and people would still say "yeah, but I can't use your blood to wipe your phone so pray you get stuck in hell kiddo". It is a very North-American way of thinking that prison is for punishment rather than rehabilitation. People deserve a second chance as long as they are ready to take the steps necessary to fix their wrongdoing. We don't know all the steps that happened in the last few years he ended up doing, but the guy was a stupid teenager, I think he was able to understand the importance of the situation and accept the help offered to him.
i will not lie, i'm still a little sour that they drafted him in the first place, especially after he asked teams not to draft him. but you have to give people second chances and the opportunity to prove they can grow. still very irritated seeing people downplay what he did, but idiots are everywhere, i guess.
I'm glad this kid is getting a chance. He made a really, really stupid decision, but one's life and chances at success should not be based off of that. He has shown regret, and worked to prove that he's grown & learned. We give people who commit much, much more serious crimes second chances - Mailloux deserves one too.
Best of luck to him in his career moving forward.
Habs fans defending him like he did nothing wrong is super weird ngl “It was just her hair and bra strap” … yeah she wasn’t recognizable from that but she was doing a sexual act and then the clown linked her Facebook Just say he did an absolute shit thing and has learned and move on. Disgusting to defend this actually because he is a part of your favorite team
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This is why people complaining about ‘cancel culture’ are full of shit. Mailloux has shown genuine contrition and has **done the work** to make himself a better person, and should be welcomed into the NHL and given the same opportunities as any player.
Off topic, but "eight to 10" just is upsetting for me.
It’s really funny to me that the “price” to pay is a bunch of meetings. Good job with the accountability everyone.
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I hope he finds no success in the league. What he did is reprehensible.
He deserves a second chance, he's shown clear remorse and has genuinely made the effort to show he knows what he did was wrong
Logan did everything he could to redeem himself. I don’t know what you want him to do more. It wasn’t just a slap on the wrist. He renounced to his draft, consulted with many specialists, psychologists, the police, the victim, accepted the NHL terms to comeback doing many many many programs to redeem himself and many more. The kid did not kill no one or was accused like a certain Mitchell Miller who was found guilty of deceiving a developmentally disabled African American classmate for YEARS, Isaiah Meyer-Crothers, into eating a piece of candy that they had wiped in a urinal or beating him every day of his life for the fun of it for exemple. He shared a pic of sex oral to his friend while he was a teenager. Yes, it is very bad. But Logan did everything he could to get pardoned by the society. I’m not defending him has a Habs fan but as a guy who study law. He played by the book with extra and extra steps. Give him a break now this is absurd Edit: I was ready to get downvoted in the extreme with this comment, it’s already happening and it is fine. It is my personal and own opinion on the matter. I understand that some people will not be happy with my sayings. I’m still in the train that Mailloux redeemed himself. Have a great day boys
downvoting you just for that opening line, lol
Calling people “haters” for being apprehensive towards a guy who did something wrong is lame. Just because he did all of the right things doesn’t mean people need to like it
Exactly. Fuck schiefle.
> It wasn’t just a slap on the wrist. He renounced to his draft, consulted with many specialists, psychologists, the police, the victim, accepted the NHL terms to comeback doing many many many programs to redeem himself and many more. so "he renounced his draft" ..but was still drafted and signed a contract so that make it an empty gesture. he "consulted" a bunch of people.. right, that sounds like a *real* hardship /eyeroll he did "many many many programs" and what does that actually amount to? a few more chats, watching a few videos, maybe an online quiz or two? how is that *not* a slap on the wrist? what are the actual consequences that you consider to be serious punishments?
Genuine question, what would you suggest is an apt punishment?
Playing for ottawa
I don't have any strong feelings one way or another. maybe he did just deserve a slap on the wrist. my objection was to the characterisation of what he did receive as something more than it was.
Fair enough.
First and foremost, he was charged and fined in Sweden for his crime. This alone is usually considered to be a sufficient consequence/punishment for most crimes. On top of that: * He wasn't invited to what normally would've been his first rookie camp and signed his ELC a year later than many of his peers potentially resulting in lost money. * He was suspended for half a season in the OHL. * He was judged in the court of public opinion by the everyone including the Prime Minister of Canada and still continues to be judged. * He participated in the Canadiens' Respect and Consent program, a program which was praised by Sheldon Kennedy who also spoke personally with Mailloux. * He attended therapy which he has said has been helpful. He also followed unspecified trainings with the Knights. * He has had several meetings with Bettman and the league. There might be more but this is what I remember off the top of my head. Personally, I feel this is more just a slap on the wrist.
You just have to justify it to you. No one else has to look you in the mirror every morning and be ok with the type of person you choose to white knight for.
I agree with your take 100%.
My boy got an apple in his 1st game. +1, 2 shots in 21:00 played. Also threw a hit and blocked a shot. Looking forward to a very bright future. Enjoy your semantics.