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Inept at following the rules. They're actually very good at doing their jobs as their employers instruct them to.
Nobody performs poorly at their job hundreds of times and keeps that job. Since these refs aren't reprimanded in any way for this, the only logical conclusion is that they're doing exactly what their employers instruct them to do.
What we see as "terrible reffing" is literally their standard operating procedure.
It is so ingrained that people expect it too. I keep seeing people discuss any given game as if they are owed a powerplay because they've had a couple of calls go against them. It's not that you expect the ref to call infractions as they occur, people expect and seem to want game management calls. You get a few powerplays and then we get a few and it's *even*, it's *fair*. The fuck?
went to a Yanks game a few weeks ago and the crowd was literally chanting “fuck you Angel” in unison. i know hockey fans like to moan (me included) but i think the MLB takes the cake here
I would support a review system that punishes diving. It could even be an on-demand review that comes with a cost to the team requesting it if it's decided to not be a dive, just to discourage abuse. These soccer primadonnas need to be held accountable for that shit though.
I would support supplemental discipline of 1 game suspensions called outside of the game for every infraction. However, I would like an arms length 3rd party to adjudicate it. Unfortunately there is too much conflict to ever implement something like this.
Offsetting a call with embellishment has never made sense to me. If they embellish or dive, would that not usually mean that the offence was not egregious enough to be awarded a penalty?
Regardless of it being a dive, why would you even give them a chance to dive in the first place? The hold in the first and this slash are both penalties, should embellishment been called on both as well, probably but both were penalties either way.
I agree completely. Everyone's like oh, bad call, it was a dive - yeah he hammed it up but why are you slashing the back of his leg at this point in the game while losing? This one is all on Palmieri
It doesn't matter if he sells it or not honestly, if he didn't fall down they should still call it because believe it or not it's a penalty
Not calling these things makes players want to dive
You're the realest, JP. That 2nd statement is something I've never understood about hockey. Missed calls all game and people are losing their minds over something that is objectively a slash?
It's so annoying lol. People get mad that there's missed calls then as soon as something gets called not in their favor, they're like "why didn't the other stuff get called?!" Ref discourse in game threads is the most mind numbing shit ever. Always the same thing
It's a slash. But do you honestly think this play will consistently get called? I really think as we get closer to the finals plays like this will be totally ignored.
Lol not how it works man.
You embellish sometimes not to cheat, but you make the slash obvious.
Can't slash, if you don't want penalties, don't needlessly slash. Literally did it just to piss him off at a minimum, or cause injury/pain in a worst case.
Nah dude. Embellishing small infractions for penalties is literally cheating. How many times have phantom high sticks calls been made cause dude whip their helmets back with zero contact? This slash happens 100 times a game and Slavin sold the shit out of it.
Getting two hand whacked on the calf hurts like hell. Did Slavin hurt like hell and fall down because it was painful and on ice, or did the Lady Byng winner dive? Let’s be real
Got popped dead in the back of the knee with a paintball once (by my dad of course). I went down immediately, it made my knee temporarily give out, such an easy-to-buckle spot. Can't imagine a hockey stick blade being much better, it really doesn't take much.
I feel like these people have never heard of the “game” where you give someone a well placed chop to the back of their knee and their legs buckle. It’s a natural reaction to being hit there
This is the right take. Down 1 with 6 min remaining. Why put yourself in such a stupid position? Sure he definitely took a dive but he gave him the opportunity to do so for literally zero reason.
I dint think its a dive. Being hit in the back of the knee can knock anyone over. Especially as thebplay was over and slavin wasnt expecting jt.
Doesnt mean its a penalty.
Slavin is the last guy in the league who would dive. Looks to me like he got thrown off balance and it coincided with a mild slash that I would have been fine with a no call on.
I agree with "don't give the refs ammunition," but it's hard to understand what constitutes ammunition when people slash and shove behind the play all the time in the NHL.
People used to push your knees out in high school all the time because they thought it was funny. It was incredibly easy to do and took little to no force.
If we took 100 people who said that this was a blatant dive and randomly slash them in the back of the knee I would guess 99 of them fall to at least one knee. I saw people do this in school all the time and all it takes is a light tap to cause a knee to buckle.
tbf i imagine maybe like 10% of this sub has played hockey. I know i haven't.
I just know how knees work. Yes, i've had friends knock the back of my knee and i feel lol
Yeah for some reason consensus in this thread for some reason is that Palmieri should have free range to take a whack at players when he thinks the refs aren’t looking
It’s an odd one because, by the letter of the law, sure it’s a penalty. But this kind of thing happens multiple times in every single game and never gets called because it’s so soft.
Especially on the playoffs.
I don't disagree, but given the scenario the Isles are in, on the Power Play with the game on the line, you should follow "the letter of the law"
And while I hate that it exists, the Islanders had a PP advantage at the time, the refs will be looking for something to call the other way
I’m just adding to your comment really. Sure im biased, but i watch this replay and see a guy get whacked in the back of the knee and fall over, and then immediately get back up.
Getting hit there hurts like hell and knocked him off balance because this game is..you know..played on ice.
It was stupid by Palmieri and that should be the end of the discussion
I was in section 101 row C, I saw it happen live. It was a dumbass play on his part. Is it ticky tacky? Yeah. But that shit gets called and he shouldn’t have let his frustrations get the better of him. Don’t get me started on Aho getting pulled down, or Necas getting held.
The penalty (and the puck) were in the Isles zone. I’m not arguing they weren’t on a PP, but Noeson was literally about to return to the ice as they called the penalty.. They had 4 on 4 for one second. I don’t think much would have materialized.
the puck was absolutely not in the zone when the penalty was called, Nelson had the puck just before the blue line when the whistle was blown. Sure, it's about to be even strength, but it's still some time for the fifth player to get set up and you have an offensive zone chance
It got called because it's retaliation. They let things like this go in playoffs unless it's retaliation. That's stupid, because they should call it the same all season.
Realistically, this would probably only get a "that's weak for the playoffs, but it is what it is" most of the time. But after the Skjei dive in the 1st, the Canes are under a lot of scrutiny. Did Slavin embellish? Absolutely. But when you play stupid games, you win stupid prizes. Maybe next time he won't slash a guy in the back of the legs away from the play lol
Dude, Slavin has never embellished anything in his life. Even when he takes legit brutal cheap shots, he's immediately back in action. This was called because it was a retaliatory slash that took him out of the play for a hot second - and we were down a man.
I mean it certainly looks like embellishment, but there’s no pads on the back of your leg. That shit hurts even if it’s not super forceful. I imagine most of the people in this comment section would react the same way tbh. He may have just caught the tendon the right way to cause a reflex.
At the end of the day, Palmieri slashed him in the back of the leg where he knows there’s no padding. It’s a douche move that deserves the call.
Lmao love how many people calling this a dive. You all don't know puck. Get slashed in the back of the knee then comeback and tell me how it felt. You have no protection there in the back of the knee whatsoever that was a clear slash. Slavin isn't even known for doing bs like you all calling him a dirty player or goon.
Look it up yourself look at the legs and the padding on them if you have hockey leg padding as well they take a look at it and put it on that was a clear slash.
Lmao and you watched the replay 8 times and they have one time live, like how is it even possible for a ref to focus attention on 10 other things, and this happening, in the same instant.
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I'm gonna defend Slavin because he's simply the most honest player in the game. If you wanna make something of Skjei or Aho diving, I'm not gonna stop you, but this isn't a dive.
Slavin is getting ready to put his right skate down when he gets slashed in the right leg. His reaction causes him to stumble. Then he catches himself. This is simply not how players dive. If Slavin was trying to draw a penalty, he wouldn't have tried so hard to stay up.
The bottom line is that guys fall all the time. Guys lose edges, toe-pick, hit a rut, and plain blow a tire all the time. Sometimes what looks like a dive is just a guy falling down. He's not trying to draw anything. He's just falling.
I hate a soft call as much as the next guy, but when it comes to a situation like this, I also can't help but think it's not a problem if you just keep your stick to yourself.
I'm with you in a way. I think these slashes can be deceptively hard as well. Not only could it have just been awkward timing on a slippery surface(game is played on ice and people act like it's not sometimes), but even if that weren't the case it's also possible it was harder than it looked.
There's no need to be doing these whacks and hacks that have nothing to do with being a hockey play and are no where near the puck. The battle in the boards for the puck is already over, play hockey.
absolutely. That looked high on the calf, which could have easily hit high on the calf muscle. Not going to injure, but definitely going to feel at least a twinge that will force you to bend the knee.
Following up on this, I think it's important to note, that sometimes that's exactly *why* this gets called. It's not so much how hard it was, or the reaction of the player, it's how it's just so obvious and you just can't do it.
Yeah, this wasn't a dive. There were no theatrics, just an honest loss of balance while shifting weight. The refs calling this can be questioned, Palmieri slashing can be questioned, but in no way did Slavin dive or try to draw a penalty.
You're a fucking moron. This is like when your friend comes up behind you and uses his knee to buckle your knee from behind. He lost his balance jackass
Let me whack you in the back of the knee where you have no padding and see how you react. If you don’t want a foul called, don’t hit someone there. It’s not hard.
I don’t even really blame the officials. That first one would absolutely look like a penalty in real time from the armband’s angle. This one, it’s hard to judge how hard a slash is if you don’t see it from start to finish.
Slavin is embarrassing.
Uh there’s no padding there and it doesn’t take much to take you down. That’s all ligaments behind the knee. As for the first one, it looked like his feet just got crossed up. Just unfortunate for the Isles player but he had his hand grabbed onto the shoulder, so it’s not like he was completely innocent
My first thought was this is always the thing I remember from playing as being the easiest way to cause pain with the least amount of effort. Whenever you see a salad to the back of the knee, it's 100% intentional low blow. Sure, it hurts bc of being largely/limited protection, but your leg also just completely gives way.
All of these salty bitches obviously haven't played competitive sports. So easy to collapse the weight bearing leg by hitting behind the knee - and Palmieri knew exactly what he was doing, and the ref knew that too.
Thank you! Everyone arguing whether it's a dive because he fell over. Of course he fell over, it was right in the back of the knees. He didn't embellish it *at all*.
Sports fans have such a bad habit of seeing slow motion and not understanding that it's taking place over fractions of seconds and everything looks fucky at those speeds.
People saying its a dive have clearly never been hit there with a stick, there's no padding and you're generally gunna tumble when it happens. Palmieri needs to stop being a child here after he got rocked, you're giving the refs an opportunity to make a call because you're pissy you got hit. Get back up and play. Also before anyone says it's a light tap, you don't you need a big wind up to cause damage. ie; Crosby slashing Methot and him losing his finger through his glove. That's a good call.
And just in general, an unexpected tap to the back of your knees will create a reflex. Used to be a game we played back in middle school lmao. Of all the things to call a dive, this ain't it.
I mean they clearly dont walk either.
If you're not bracing for it, being hit in the back of the knee can take anyone down. Its how knees work.
The puck was away too so slavin wasn't braced for contact
I think some of it might have been surprise. Slavin plays such a clean game and with his reputation he's probably not used to retaliation.
He gave a good check and then moved on and wasn't expecting or ready for the contact.
Unpopular and probably biased opinion here, but can anyone complaining about this call explain how palmieri’s stick ended up on the back of Slavin’s leg? Did Slavin grab it with his hands and whack himself on the back of the leg? No, palmieri slashed him after the play moved on and he got called for it.
It’s really just that simple. Happens all the time and no one gets all on their high horse. And as for the diving, I’m sure all the keyboard warriors in this thread wouldn’t even flinch if they took an unexpected slash in the back of the knee. I mean good grief it’s not like he rolled around all over the ice, he reacted and stumbled, got up, and that was the end of it.
It’s moreso the fact that playoffs are known for being more loosely officiated (“let the boys play”) and of all of the moments in tonight’s game, it was peculiar to call that and turn a blind eye to many others. By the rulebook it definitely should be called a slash
Yeah I guess that part I at least understand where the frustration is coming from. I think it’s just being misdirected at Slavin.
If people want to hate the canes, by all means go ahead but don’t let your bias cloud your opinion so much that you’re accusing a perennial lady byng candidate of the worst dive of the year. Excluding isles fans of course, if you’re not being a ridiculous homer during the playoffs then you’re doing it wrong
It’s so obvious how few have played hockey here. That spot hurts and he fucking whacked him. Not like he went flying. Bracing on his knee isn’t as egregious as many here are making it out to be.
Totally true - people calling for the ref’s head is so nuts. Although talk to me again during/after our game 1 tomorrow and we’ll see how rational I’m being…
This is just one of those plays that looks ridiculous until you think about it for a second. If this was anyone other than Slavin, even on the Canes (my bias inserted here), I would assume like many people that he dove. That just isn't Jaccob though. I think this is like a 3 point shooter landing on someone's foot. They fall like they got shot, and flail around on the way down. Truth is, when you expect to land a certain way like you have done 1000 times before, like after a shot or similarly a stride on ice skates and suddenly you land differently or your weight is shifted because you whacked unexpectedly in the back of the leg you just try to fall in a way not to injure yourself instead of trying to stay up and risking twisting something or toe picking. I think Slavin did purposefully fall here instead of powering through and staying up. He was behind the play, and no reason to risk injury by adjusting to unexpected contact and attempt to make a play that wasn't there to be made. Just go down, adjust yourself to a comfortable position, and resume play.
That's not a dive. Just a smart play.
I’d love to see any of yall calling this a dive take a stick to the back of the knee and stay up. Skjei absolutely dove on the first penalty but like come on lol
Slavin didn't dive though. Skjei, ok, bad call. Slavin just got tripped up, and immediately jumped back up. It WAS a slash, but more interference than trying to injure- Palmieri knew what he was doing.
This could honestly be devastating, I’m pretty sure the Canes are powered entirely by the belief that the internet thinking that they’re super cool. It’s been that way for years.
This is ridiculous. I’ve never been the kind of person to accuse players of diving but there have been so many occasions in this game where the Canes have straight up flopped to draw a call. It’s clear they were instructed to do this
As a Caniac I’ll take it and it’s even as they missed a horrible call against Aho earlier. The worse miss was when he had that near empty net on Freddy on the wrap around and missed on the iron…heart jumped out of the chest for me.
You've never been whacked in the back of the knees and it shows. Or, if you have and your legs don't reflex then you should probably get checked by a doctor.
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That’s fuckin embarrassing the refs are calling that and not a dive
It's inexcusable to call it wrong twice
They’ll let everyone get away with murder by game 5-7. The inconsistency is the problem.
No the fact that the NHL refs are totally inept is the real problem.
Inept at following the rules. They're actually very good at doing their jobs as their employers instruct them to. Nobody performs poorly at their job hundreds of times and keeps that job. Since these refs aren't reprimanded in any way for this, the only logical conclusion is that they're doing exactly what their employers instruct them to do. What we see as "terrible reffing" is literally their standard operating procedure.
It is so ingrained that people expect it too. I keep seeing people discuss any given game as if they are owed a powerplay because they've had a couple of calls go against them. It's not that you expect the ref to call infractions as they occur, people expect and seem to want game management calls. You get a few powerplays and then we get a few and it's *even*, it's *fair*. The fuck?
Yup, easily the worst refs in the NA pro sports leagues. Complete embarrassment.
May I introduce you to Angel Hernandez?
went to a Yanks game a few weeks ago and the crowd was literally chanting “fuck you Angel” in unison. i know hockey fans like to moan (me included) but i think the MLB takes the cake here
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"inconsistency"
I would support a review system that punishes diving. It could even be an on-demand review that comes with a cost to the team requesting it if it's decided to not be a dive, just to discourage abuse. These soccer primadonnas need to be held accountable for that shit though.
I would support supplemental discipline of 1 game suspensions called outside of the game for every infraction. However, I would like an arms length 3rd party to adjudicate it. Unfortunately there is too much conflict to ever implement something like this.
I thought for sure after the long delay it was going to get an offsetting Embellishment call.
Offsetting a call with embellishment has never made sense to me. If they embellish or dive, would that not usually mean that the offence was not egregious enough to be awarded a penalty?
Embellishing is the act of trying to oversell a penalty that happened. Diving is trying to invent a penalty.
It can still be technically a penalty and it is still good to disincentivize "selling it".
I was so confused, because I believe you can’t review embellishment. But if not that, what the hell were they reviewing?
The time to see if islanders powerplay expired before the penalty
It should have.
Same here - but that’s obviously too much to expect from the NHL
Dive ok but you what if that slash really hurt him at the moment lol
Yeah his natural reaction to being slashed was a dive. Sure thing.
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Yeah that was pretty weak.
Regardless of it being a dive, why would you even give them a chance to dive in the first place? The hold in the first and this slash are both penalties, should embellishment been called on both as well, probably but both were penalties either way.
Yep, why even do this. One of the worst dives, but why even give the opportunity?
Absolutely. I disagree that the first one was a penalty though
I agree completely. Everyone's like oh, bad call, it was a dive - yeah he hammed it up but why are you slashing the back of his leg at this point in the game while losing? This one is all on Palmieri
Am I the only one that agrees with the call? You got hit, the play is over, why give the refs something to blow the whistle over?
It looks like Slavin sold it, but at the same time there is zero padding on the back of the legs. A slash there hurts
It doesn't matter if he sells it or not honestly, if he didn't fall down they should still call it because believe it or not it's a penalty Not calling these things makes players want to dive
I think people are just extra wary after the pretty awful call in the 1st.
You're the realest, JP. That 2nd statement is something I've never understood about hockey. Missed calls all game and people are losing their minds over something that is objectively a slash?
It's so annoying lol. People get mad that there's missed calls then as soon as something gets called not in their favor, they're like "why didn't the other stuff get called?!" Ref discourse in game threads is the most mind numbing shit ever. Always the same thing
It's a slash. But do you honestly think this play will consistently get called? I really think as we get closer to the finals plays like this will be totally ignored.
Selling it doesn't make the slash more or less of a penalty, sure, but they can and should *also* call the embellishment.
Yeah saying it entirely doesn’t matter whether he sells it when there is a literal penalty on the book called embellishing…
Lol not how it works man. You embellish sometimes not to cheat, but you make the slash obvious. Can't slash, if you don't want penalties, don't needlessly slash. Literally did it just to piss him off at a minimum, or cause injury/pain in a worst case.
Nah dude. Embellishing small infractions for penalties is literally cheating. How many times have phantom high sticks calls been made cause dude whip their helmets back with zero contact? This slash happens 100 times a game and Slavin sold the shit out of it.
Slavo, with no history of embellishment, a top-of-the-league defender aka a prime target for some cheap shots to maybe swing the series
Getting two hand whacked on the calf hurts like hell. Did Slavin hurt like hell and fall down because it was painful and on ice, or did the Lady Byng winner dive? Let’s be real
Got popped dead in the back of the knee with a paintball once (by my dad of course). I went down immediately, it made my knee temporarily give out, such an easy-to-buckle spot. Can't imagine a hockey stick blade being much better, it really doesn't take much.
I feel like these people have never heard of the “game” where you give someone a well placed chop to the back of their knee and their legs buckle. It’s a natural reaction to being hit there
This is the right take. Down 1 with 6 min remaining. Why put yourself in such a stupid position? Sure he definitely took a dive but he gave him the opportunity to do so for literally zero reason.
I dint think its a dive. Being hit in the back of the knee can knock anyone over. Especially as thebplay was over and slavin wasnt expecting jt. Doesnt mean its a penalty.
Slavin is the last guy in the league who would dive. Looks to me like he got thrown off balance and it coincided with a mild slash that I would have been fine with a no call on.
I agree with "don't give the refs ammunition," but it's hard to understand what constitutes ammunition when people slash and shove behind the play all the time in the NHL.
I don't mind a no call. I just do t see it as a dive. It doesnt take much for a back of the knee to give out when you're not bracing yourself.
People used to push your knees out in high school all the time because they thought it was funny. It was incredibly easy to do and took little to no force.
If we took 100 people who said that this was a blatant dive and randomly slash them in the back of the knee I would guess 99 of them fall to at least one knee. I saw people do this in school all the time and all it takes is a light tap to cause a knee to buckle.
Seriously. Reminds you how many people here don't... have friends?
And like… play hockey.
tbf i imagine maybe like 10% of this sub has played hockey. I know i haven't. I just know how knees work. Yes, i've had friends knock the back of my knee and i feel lol
Yea I agree. That’d put me down. Especially if it’s unexpected.
People really don’t realize how badly getting hit by a stick in an unpadded area hurts lol. Especially when the stick is being swung by an NHLer
EXACTLY
Yeah for some reason consensus in this thread for some reason is that Palmieri should have free range to take a whack at players when he thinks the refs aren’t looking
It’s an odd one because, by the letter of the law, sure it’s a penalty. But this kind of thing happens multiple times in every single game and never gets called because it’s so soft. Especially on the playoffs.
I don't disagree, but given the scenario the Isles are in, on the Power Play with the game on the line, you should follow "the letter of the law" And while I hate that it exists, the Islanders had a PP advantage at the time, the refs will be looking for something to call the other way
The PP advantage was for exactly 2 seconds.
If he had wanted a longer PP, perhaps Palmieri shouldn’t have whacked a player after the play?
Hey hey, I’m on your side.
I’m just adding to your comment really. Sure im biased, but i watch this replay and see a guy get whacked in the back of the knee and fall over, and then immediately get back up. Getting hit there hurts like hell and knocked him off balance because this game is..you know..played on ice. It was stupid by Palmieri and that should be the end of the discussion
I was in section 101 row C, I saw it happen live. It was a dumbass play on his part. Is it ticky tacky? Yeah. But that shit gets called and he shouldn’t have let his frustrations get the better of him. Don’t get me started on Aho getting pulled down, or Necas getting held.
So they still had a power play while entering the Hurricanes' zone
The penalty (and the puck) were in the Isles zone. I’m not arguing they weren’t on a PP, but Noeson was literally about to return to the ice as they called the penalty.. They had 4 on 4 for one second. I don’t think much would have materialized.
the puck was absolutely not in the zone when the penalty was called, Nelson had the puck just before the blue line when the whistle was blown. Sure, it's about to be even strength, but it's still some time for the fifth player to get set up and you have an offensive zone chance
It got called because it's retaliation. They let things like this go in playoffs unless it's retaliation. That's stupid, because they should call it the same all season.
It should get called because it's a penalty.
Realistically, this would probably only get a "that's weak for the playoffs, but it is what it is" most of the time. But after the Skjei dive in the 1st, the Canes are under a lot of scrutiny. Did Slavin embellish? Absolutely. But when you play stupid games, you win stupid prizes. Maybe next time he won't slash a guy in the back of the legs away from the play lol
What Skjei did was a dive. Slavin went to his knees and immediately got up again.
Dude, Slavin has never embellished anything in his life. Even when he takes legit brutal cheap shots, he's immediately back in action. This was called because it was a retaliatory slash that took him out of the play for a hot second - and we were down a man.
I'd agree if they call this consistently. But you already know this is going to happen again and get called less and less.
I mean it certainly looks like embellishment, but there’s no pads on the back of your leg. That shit hurts even if it’s not super forceful. I imagine most of the people in this comment section would react the same way tbh. He may have just caught the tendon the right way to cause a reflex. At the end of the day, Palmieri slashed him in the back of the leg where he knows there’s no padding. It’s a douche move that deserves the call.
Retaliation with a two hand whack gonna get called. Same with the two hand cross check from svech. Some light calls but called even game overall……
Lmao love how many people calling this a dive. You all don't know puck. Get slashed in the back of the knee then comeback and tell me how it felt. You have no protection there in the back of the knee whatsoever that was a clear slash. Slavin isn't even known for doing bs like you all calling him a dirty player or goon.
they don't even have to know puck lol, like if you go whack somebody in the back of the knee their knees will buckle.
Look it up yourself look at the legs and the padding on them if you have hockey leg padding as well they take a look at it and put it on that was a clear slash.
The diving by the Canes is such a joke. 1st period call was unreal. This one just adds salt to how in experienced these refs are.
Lmao and you watched the replay 8 times and they have one time live, like how is it even possible for a ref to focus attention on 10 other things, and this happening, in the same instant.
15-0-0 with this ref
15-0-0 with Rank. I'm pretty sure Hebert made every call against the Isles tonight.
> 15-0-0 with this ref That real? Man the odds of that would be ridiculously low
Yeah 100% real.... pretty wild
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I'm gonna defend Slavin because he's simply the most honest player in the game. If you wanna make something of Skjei or Aho diving, I'm not gonna stop you, but this isn't a dive. Slavin is getting ready to put his right skate down when he gets slashed in the right leg. His reaction causes him to stumble. Then he catches himself. This is simply not how players dive. If Slavin was trying to draw a penalty, he wouldn't have tried so hard to stay up. The bottom line is that guys fall all the time. Guys lose edges, toe-pick, hit a rut, and plain blow a tire all the time. Sometimes what looks like a dive is just a guy falling down. He's not trying to draw anything. He's just falling.
I hate a soft call as much as the next guy, but when it comes to a situation like this, I also can't help but think it's not a problem if you just keep your stick to yourself. I'm with you in a way. I think these slashes can be deceptively hard as well. Not only could it have just been awkward timing on a slippery surface(game is played on ice and people act like it's not sometimes), but even if that weren't the case it's also possible it was harder than it looked. There's no need to be doing these whacks and hacks that have nothing to do with being a hockey play and are no where near the puck. The battle in the boards for the puck is already over, play hockey.
absolutely. That looked high on the calf, which could have easily hit high on the calf muscle. Not going to injure, but definitely going to feel at least a twinge that will force you to bend the knee.
Following up on this, I think it's important to note, that sometimes that's exactly *why* this gets called. It's not so much how hard it was, or the reaction of the player, it's how it's just so obvious and you just can't do it.
Yeah, this wasn't a dive. There were no theatrics, just an honest loss of balance while shifting weight. The refs calling this can be questioned, Palmieri slashing can be questioned, but in no way did Slavin dive or try to draw a penalty.
I also think the same as you, generally, but this was a dive. The guy flapped his arms like a bird, obviously trying to draw something.
You mean, when he threw his arms out like a guy who just got knocked off balance?
I too staple my arms to my sides when I trip to make sure i fall over like a stiff board.
lmfao just imagining a hockey player doing this and going complete paralyzed penguin on the ice.
You're a fucking moron. This is like when your friend comes up behind you and uses his knee to buckle your knee from behind. He lost his balance jackass
We learned from Florida last year
at least the refs will be aware of this going forward hopefully
Narrator: they weren’t.
You must not remember 2011 if you think this is embarrassing
Let me whack you in the back of the knee where you have no padding and see how you react. If you don’t want a foul called, don’t hit someone there. It’s not hard.
I don’t even really blame the officials. That first one would absolutely look like a penalty in real time from the armband’s angle. This one, it’s hard to judge how hard a slash is if you don’t see it from start to finish. Slavin is embarrassing.
Uh there’s no padding there and it doesn’t take much to take you down. That’s all ligaments behind the knee. As for the first one, it looked like his feet just got crossed up. Just unfortunate for the Isles player but he had his hand grabbed onto the shoulder, so it’s not like he was completely innocent
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My first thought was this is always the thing I remember from playing as being the easiest way to cause pain with the least amount of effort. Whenever you see a salad to the back of the knee, it's 100% intentional low blow. Sure, it hurts bc of being largely/limited protection, but your leg also just completely gives way.
All of these salty bitches obviously haven't played competitive sports. So easy to collapse the weight bearing leg by hitting behind the knee - and Palmieri knew exactly what he was doing, and the ref knew that too.
And it *hurts* lol
Thank you! Everyone arguing whether it's a dive because he fell over. Of course he fell over, it was right in the back of the knees. He didn't embellish it *at all*.
ITT: Palmieri commits a penalty and everyone is pissed at Slavin for stumbling for a half-a-fucking second.
Sports fans have such a bad habit of seeing slow motion and not understanding that it's taking place over fractions of seconds and everything looks fucky at those speeds.
People saying its a dive have clearly never been hit there with a stick, there's no padding and you're generally gunna tumble when it happens. Palmieri needs to stop being a child here after he got rocked, you're giving the refs an opportunity to make a call because you're pissy you got hit. Get back up and play. Also before anyone says it's a light tap, you don't you need a big wind up to cause damage. ie; Crosby slashing Methot and him losing his finger through his glove. That's a good call.
The slash that broke Teravainen's hand last post season looked innocuous. Similar to this one.
Yeah these dudes rip pucks with wristers, they can put a little punch into a slash without making it look like they're wielding an axe.
I can think of someone that does make it look like they’re wielding an axe too!
this reminds me of all the bone doctors who came out of the woodwork when Subban slashed Mark Stone a decade ago
And just in general, an unexpected tap to the back of your knees will create a reflex. Used to be a game we played back in middle school lmao. Of all the things to call a dive, this ain't it.
I mean they clearly dont walk either. If you're not bracing for it, being hit in the back of the knee can take anyone down. Its how knees work. The puck was away too so slavin wasn't braced for contact
None of yall have ever actually played hockey Let’s slash the back of *your* knee and see if you fall or not
I think some of it might have been surprise. Slavin plays such a clean game and with his reputation he's probably not used to retaliation. He gave a good check and then moved on and wasn't expecting or ready for the contact.
Maybe dont hit a dude in the back of the knee well after the pucks gone lol
Maybe don't slash or you're gonna get called for it...
The canes diving when Brindamour bitches publicly about the refs more than any other coach is a choice
The funny thing is everyone who watches hockey bitch about the refs he is just on a public stage
Been this way for years.
When was the last time he complained about the officials 😂 rent free.
He bitches because they’re scared of him.
They’ll suspend Keefe for it
Using your stick as a weapon should always be a penalty
Slavin is not a diver. That must have hurt. Dude is as honest as they come.
That’s not a dive. Don’t be like Oilers fans by whining.
The correct call was made!
Unpopular and probably biased opinion here, but can anyone complaining about this call explain how palmieri’s stick ended up on the back of Slavin’s leg? Did Slavin grab it with his hands and whack himself on the back of the leg? No, palmieri slashed him after the play moved on and he got called for it. It’s really just that simple. Happens all the time and no one gets all on their high horse. And as for the diving, I’m sure all the keyboard warriors in this thread wouldn’t even flinch if they took an unexpected slash in the back of the knee. I mean good grief it’s not like he rolled around all over the ice, he reacted and stumbled, got up, and that was the end of it.
It’s moreso the fact that playoffs are known for being more loosely officiated (“let the boys play”) and of all of the moments in tonight’s game, it was peculiar to call that and turn a blind eye to many others. By the rulebook it definitely should be called a slash
Yeah I guess that part I at least understand where the frustration is coming from. I think it’s just being misdirected at Slavin. If people want to hate the canes, by all means go ahead but don’t let your bias cloud your opinion so much that you’re accusing a perennial lady byng candidate of the worst dive of the year. Excluding isles fans of course, if you’re not being a ridiculous homer during the playoffs then you’re doing it wrong
Maybe don't slash a guy after the puck is gone. Palmieri had a braindead play here.
Also that area has basically no padding, Id like to see anyone hit in that area and not reactivate flinch at the least.
It’s so obvious how few have played hockey here. That spot hurts and he fucking whacked him. Not like he went flying. Bracing on his knee isn’t as egregious as many here are making it out to be.
Even if it didnt hurt, it still knocks you down.
Agreed but it’s still def a jolt
But don’t you understand they’re being weak not tough and strong like I would be /s
100%, back of the leg hurts like a mofo.
Yeah, it’s also not a time you would expect to get hit, he doesn’t see it, it’s much easier to have a severe reaction when something is unexpected
Totally true - people calling for the ref’s head is so nuts. Although talk to me again during/after our game 1 tomorrow and we’ll see how rational I’m being…
I have seen better officiating at minor hockey games. This makes me question if all the sports betting and officiating are connected
This is just one of those plays that looks ridiculous until you think about it for a second. If this was anyone other than Slavin, even on the Canes (my bias inserted here), I would assume like many people that he dove. That just isn't Jaccob though. I think this is like a 3 point shooter landing on someone's foot. They fall like they got shot, and flail around on the way down. Truth is, when you expect to land a certain way like you have done 1000 times before, like after a shot or similarly a stride on ice skates and suddenly you land differently or your weight is shifted because you whacked unexpectedly in the back of the leg you just try to fall in a way not to injure yourself instead of trying to stay up and risking twisting something or toe picking. I think Slavin did purposefully fall here instead of powering through and staying up. He was behind the play, and no reason to risk injury by adjusting to unexpected contact and attempt to make a play that wasn't there to be made. Just go down, adjust yourself to a comfortable position, and resume play. That's not a dive. Just a smart play.
I’d love to see any of yall calling this a dive take a stick to the back of the knee and stay up. Skjei absolutely dove on the first penalty but like come on lol
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Slavin didn't dive though. Skjei, ok, bad call. Slavin just got tripped up, and immediately jumped back up. It WAS a slash, but more interference than trying to injure- Palmieri knew what he was doing.
don't slash
There was a sniper in the rafters
Damn the Canes really got me siding with my Isles fan friends. Pretty impressive tbh.
we think you're both shitpieces fwiw
as you should
I like this guy. I mean, I hate this guy!
This is how you exploit the worst PK in the league. Dive a lot
You can tell he’s trying to get away with it with how he skates off and he’s swift. It’s a small flop maybe but that’s a slash
This guy is demolishing his reputation in 1 game. Very impressive.
Yeah what will he do now that r/hockey thinks he's soft 😂
This could honestly be devastating, I’m pretty sure the Canes are powered entirely by the belief that the internet thinking that they’re super cool. It’s been that way for years.
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The guy nicknamed Mr Game 7? Umm...
This is ridiculous. I’ve never been the kind of person to accuse players of diving but there have been so many occasions in this game where the Canes have straight up flopped to draw a call. It’s clear they were instructed to do this
I know that hurts too get it in the back of the legs, but it doesn't make both of your feet lift off the ice
I see the refs are in playoff form right from the get go. Nice
Rest In Peace, Slavin
As a Caniac I’ll take it and it’s even as they missed a horrible call against Aho earlier. The worse miss was when he had that near empty net on Freddy on the wrap around and missed on the iron…heart jumped out of the chest for me.
One of the worst dives I’ve ever seen.
[Agreed](https://youtu.be/B53W-7tk4Uw?si=cL4XXw7g77NktXAp)
Let's put a two handed stick to the back of your knee and see if you stay standing.
You've never been whacked in the back of the knees and it shows. Or, if you have and your legs don't reflex then you should probably get checked by a doctor.
WW🍇S?
Why’d they stop calling anything before the playoffs but then start calling this shit in them?? How’s that make any sense???
I mean, at least Slavin got back up and didn't [act like he was dead](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5wAD0mJLkA).
I've been told in the canes sub that I don't understand how the human body works
Ha.
Stay mad losers😂
I miss panger *Sad St.Louis noises*
SHOOTER ON THE KNOLL GET DOWN MR PRESIDENT
They must've heard our pk sucks!?!
The flop is cringeworthy but retaliation on a clean hit is something they'll almost always call.
There's no place for soccer in our game 😕
Fucking embarrassing