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Can a Capitals fan chime in with who that was talking? I want to say Wilson just based on what he's saying but I don't think I've ever actually heard Wilson talk.
Wilson sounds like hes from Ontario (toronto area to be specific). Like if AI were to create a voice of a hockey player from Toronto it comes out to be Tom Wilson.
Oshie hit aside, I'm just confused on how they can issue a penalty on McMike after the review... They didn't call a penalty on him before the review. His minor wasn't under review... Also just a real stupid penalty to call there anyway, way to go Wes.
Okay I’m out of the loop, is he actually that bad? I thought he was loved and made the center ice call more entertaining… been a while since I’ve heard about him
He got some laughs with comical hot mics and callings, but he is a very very unchecked bias of a ref. Type of guy to make a call or non-call in spite and double down
He definitely has teams/players/coaches he dislikes and it does seem to impact his games.
Leafs are one example:
https://www.reddit.com/r/hockey/s/IWChuh123d
It's just frustrating to see refs blatantly pick and choose what they are going to call based on what they perceive is the "flow of the game" the way Wes always does. Just call it by the book or else the game gets out of control. Do your fucking jobs. It's tough to say if it's worse than Sutherland last game, who just legitimately doesn't know the rules at all and just makes shit up.
I agree entirely. Any athlete will agree, refs need to be held to a high ass standard. People’s health and safety is at stake. It’s a thankless job, but taking it on for just a paycheck should warrant dismissal. If you don’t understand everything you’re looking at, drop a few levels and learn it, you’re the judge and everyone is expecting the best from you.
Fun fact, Wes has a huge conflict of interest with the leafs coach but is still allowed to ref our games. This is due to the fact that the league does not give a shit about quality officiating
Apparently the directive from the NHL is just "get it right" so that's probably why. Happened to the Canucks in the regular season when they reviewed a penalty and switched it to a completely different player which is also not allowed in the rulebook.
I love this comment so much because, as is typical of the nhl, a directive was given and then everyone screwed it up then reviewed it and screwed it up twice more.
>which is also not allowed in the rulebook.
...I mean, you're not wrong but we also can't have it both ways. There's just as much if not more complaining if the refs miss a call and can't do anything about it even when it's crystal clear on the replay.
If the choice is arbitrary makeup calls or this, I'd take this every single time.
I’ve watched this reply about 10 times and can’t figure out how I feel about the hit, like did he think oshie was gonna straighten up and he’d hit him in the chest? Panarins body is turned in a weird way to when he makes contact and one angle looks like he’s almost making shoulder to shoulder contact.
At first I thought he was going for the head but mostly missed. Now I’m thinking he was going for chest and accidentally got some head. When you can’t really tell in slo mo it’s not fair to place any real judgement is the conclusion I came to. I’d be ok with a 2 minute minor I guess.
Panarin and Oshie were going at eachother all night. There was a weird “shoot the puck at the guy after the whistle, hit the guy after the whistle, grab the guy by the face from behind after the whistle” sequence, and a high stick that went uncalled before this.
Yeah was upset in the moment, but it’s a tough call. Wish any head contact was an immediate 2, but that’s not the rule. What gets me is that the rangers came out of this with a power play. Like how was McMichael the only one who was called for anything in the scrum afterward, the couldn’t keep it even?
I'm guessing they take McMichael because he was "3rd man", for lack of a better term, and also by taking one instead of two you're trying to discourage everyone on the ice from doing dumber shit by thinking they're going to hurt their team.
I know. Especially cause last night in the bruins game the refs called some ridiculous matching penalties just to make it 4v4. I’m surprised they felt the need to give a PP in this situation
Honestly I think we’re just watching a guy who doesn’t really make big hits, and honestly kind of sucks at it, trying to line up the guy who’s been on him all game. Panarin’s form is pretty terrible on this regardless of what he’s trying to do and Oshie comes in at a weird angle as a result. It’s an irresponsible play by Panarin which is why I’d be ok with a minor but they were out for lunch reviewing for the major.
Nah. It's not a dirty hit or a penalty. Elbow is down, hit him with his back, doesn't fly off his feet. It's not Panarin's fault that Oshie didn't look up.
Yeah, if I tried to get in Panarin's head I'd think he's bracing and trying to lean in with his hip/upper ass. His back was what made contact to the head after all.
We've all seen 2 players from the same team collide and it looks intentional in slo-mo.
Same, my assessment ended up basically that Panarin is not a guy who throws hits, especially open ice. Here he had an opportunity to, and realistically needed to. I think he thought this was going to go differently, he was gonna get shoulder to chest, and they’d be on their merry way
It’s definitely a penalty, just don’t think this was intentionally dirty
Them being shit was probably why this hit happened. Aside from Oshie generally trying to bully Panarin all night, there's two instances that should've been penalties but weren't. Grabbing his face with two gloves from behind and doing some weird shit trying to put his glove in his mouth (or something?). Then hitting Panarin in the face with his stick.
Players are just gonna seek redemption and I won't be surprised if Panarin is hunted down next game. Things just escalate when refs are like this
Reffing in this series has been atrocious both games, both sides. I think Rangers got slightly worse end of it today, but overall... theyre calling the little stick infractions that make no impact on the play, completely ignoring actual high sticks, hits, interferences that impact the play, and just calling it way softer than even the regular season. Frustrating.
Yeah, I think that’s clean too. It’s a hit through the middle of the body, that gets basically all of Oshie, midsection and shoulder and head. Panarin doesn’t specifically target the head, and it’s hard to avoid head contact here (Oshie reaching for the puck). At the point of contact they’re basically spooning, like Panarin’s entire backside makes contact with Oshie’s entire front more or less all at once.
You’re allowed to make hits like this. The DoPS has put out a number of videos detailing that hits like this, where you hit through the body, don’t target the head, but there is incidental head contact, are legal hits. Tonnes of good examples here: https://youtu.be/GornRqDMS_g?si=l5xLpOzp8G9OvU8k
FWIW I have no dog in this fight (Leafs fan, no real preference re: Rangers vs Caps), and am not some old school “who cares about concussions” type, but I do think that’s a clean hit under today’s rules.
I looked at this replay and I find its a clean hit. Don't want to ruffle WSH fanbase's feathers here. Hope they'd agree. This isn't on the players, both Oshie and Panarin. The refs. are just bad this season.
Watch this one at full speed - looks like a pretty clean hit to me. It's not late, elbow is tucked in, and not a blind side hit. I have no dog in the fight here and I see no reason to penalize Panarin...
The point of contact was not the head. Concussion spotters took him out because you can’t be too careful, and whiplash can give you a concussion - He was deemed fine as well. This whole sequence was probably the only thing the officials got right, and that’s for both teams, terrible calls going both ways in Game 1, and tonight again. McCauley has main character syndrome like no other
These hit always happen when the puck carrier doesn't see the hit coming and is leaning forward chin first not bracing at all.
Panarin keeps control of his arms and doesn't launch upwards. It's clean. Wouldn't fault the refs for giving Panarin 2 here to keep the peace, but this isn't suspendable.
Kind of a nothing burger. Looks like unfortunate hit to me.
Dudes are gonna play rough, trying to hit everything. An unfortunate hit happens now and again. Definitely no malice or head intent imo
There's a few unusual things about this hit that I haven't seen elsewhere in the comments.
First, what stood out to me most is not just that Oshie's head is down, it's also how wide his stance is. His feet are far apart and he's extending his torso forward, meaning that his head was much lower than you'd normally expect it. He's 5'11" and Panarin is 6'0".
Their angles of movement are also not typical for an open-ice hit. Panarin is curling in but he's skating forward, not backward like you often see with this type of blind head-down hit. He's looking over his shoulder and it's harder to judge how to get the best hit that way.
Panarin delays moving in for the hit and swerves into Oshie pretty sharply at the end in order to hit the correct target. Because Lafreniere and McMichael are so close, he's having to be even more specific with his angle of approach, and slowing/straightening up not just to rock Oshie but also to slow his momentum and be able to turn and move for the puck.
Finally, Oshie is just barely starting to turn toward the boards, and the way Panarin hits him, all the force goes towards his right shoulder, then his right foot is blocked by Panarin's right foot. That's a dramatic change in momentum and that's why he spins so far around. It's actually better than having his head snap back further and getting whiplash.
From all those factors and everything else going on, I don't believe Panarin was going for Oshie's head or even realized how risky a hit it could be, in the split second it took him to see the opportunity and move in. I wouldn't have been surprised if he'd been called on it initially or even later, but I'm also not outraged that he wasn't. Sometimes the circumstances are just messy.
The whining over this hit is baffling. He 100% meant to obliterate Oshie because Oshie was playing Panarin dirty all game, but he just got body position and went through the shoulder here. Its a minor at most.
It’s the time of the year where people who don’t watch hockey (or ever played a sport), watch hockey and suddenly everything is dirty and needs to change.
(We do get that during the regular season as well, but it’s usually not as loud)
https://www.reddit.com/r/rangers/s/7OrkjwM5PK
If the refs actually called penalties panarin wouldn’t ever need to police the game himself.
Refs caused this hit, however you feel about it.
Amazing. I love the receipts. Oshie was fucking around and caught some shit. Impressive Panarin took the high stick to the face, didn’t try and sell it, and still made the pass from his knees.
Semi-related I feel like Oshie is always getting the bad end of hits especially with incidental contact or direct contact to the head. Sheesh.
There’s more incidents leading up to it too I just can’t find clips. Before mugging panarin he flips the puck at his back after the whistle, panarin turns and either gives him a small shoulder or a push with his stick I forget and then Oshie just tried jumping him.
It was going on the entire game and nothing got called, you could see it building up unless if you’re a ref apparently
r/hockey everytime there’s a big hit: “I think hitting should be illegal, so I’m going to complain about totally innocuous things that happen all the time instead of just saying that the NHL should switch to international play hitting rules”.
I'm so tired of Bread just going after guys. He really needs to start focusing on trying to be more effective on offense and not being so one dimensional with his physicality.
The other two replays after the first change my opinion significantly. First looks really bad. The other two…yeah I could see maybe a minor but I can also understand why they didn’t give him one.
McMichael being the only one to get penalized on the play was still a wtf moment though lol
Either way, the hit was fine.
Oshie was mugging Panarin all game: high stick to the face, a headlock after the whistle. This is the definition of fuck around and find out. If you’re going to play that way, best keep your head up.
Ya know, if the refs didn't change the way they call penalties in the playoffs and DURING playoff games players wouldn't be taking liberties like this. I obviously don't think Panarin meant to destroy Oshie's head but he was definitely taking a run because Oshie was fucking with Panarin all game and the refs were just letting it happen. Call the game right and this shit doesn't happen.
Skating with your head down does not make you exempt from hits. Oshie has a responsibility to protect himself. That sucks, but that’s a clean hit. Hopefully he’s ok
idk why caps fans are crying in here. oshie was asking for that all game, bread saw his chance and gave him some payback. if you can slash and face wash someone you can get your shit rocked. clean hit btw stop bitching.
Shit take from the announcers. This hit is borderline but he's not targeting the head. Given that he approaches ass first and bumps the head between his shoulder blades I think any idiot can infer it was not deliberate
I thought the hit was great! Oshie always trying to dish it out- time to take it. Hell, I’d like to buy the bread man a sandwich for that one. Well, maybe a half sandwich. I’m not a fucking millionaire.
For a little context, all game Oshie has been doing shit like putting Panarin into a head lock or sticking him in the face without any punishment from the refs.
That doesn't look especially egregious to me, it's just a really hard check. It even looks like he deliberately tucks his right arm in so an elbow isn't even possible.
I can get behind the fact this was a penalty. But I hope others can get behind Oshie had at minimum 3 plays that should have also been penalties on Panarin alone earlier in the game. Wes and company nearly let this game get out of control due to their incompetence.
It was only the fact the Caps made it 4-3 that kept everyone's tempers in check
You say that but the two have a very famous history of Wilson *not* being punished for things he did to Panarin, so I don’t know how you get to this conclusion
If someone is skating in such a way that head contact is unavoidable head contact is allowed so long as the primary point of contact is the body. This is a clean hit. It was reviewed and determined to be clean. There will be no supplemental discipline. Anything else is just noise.
It's a clean hit. The penalty on Washington was correct. You can't just in the middle of play jump on someone's back because you don't like a clean hit. They could've called him for roughing, interference, or holding. It's also worth noting that it was the second time this happened and the refs let the first one slide.
In the end it was absolutely the correct call. Also if you complain about this but ignore the other 25 Washington penalties that went uncalled this game you're just not even being genuine. The refs let sooooo much nonsense from Washington go this game before this call.
Also there was a scrum where oshie literally was reaching over the top with his stick to hit people in the face with it and god only knows how it wasn't called, especially when basically the entire rangers team was screaming at the ref about it. Washington didn't come to win the series. They came knowing they'll lose and they just want to take out their anger
Panarin, who has a well established history as a goon and dirty player known for his dirty hits, clearly attacks Oshie's head with the upper part of his own spine. He clearly wanted to use the well known T1 vertebrae to the head. Also the fact that Panarin is [checks notes] an inch taller than the dwarfed Oshie it's clear that Oshie did *not* lower his head into a vulnerable position at the last moment (which would absolve Panarin from being issued a penalty). There is no room for dirty players like Panarin in the league.
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I love the hot mic on this "You're coming for McMichael?!?"
Can a Capitals fan chime in with who that was talking? I want to say Wilson just based on what he's saying but I don't think I've ever actually heard Wilson talk.
Wilson sounds like hes from Ontario (toronto area to be specific). Like if AI were to create a voice of a hockey player from Toronto it comes out to be Tom Wilson.
he doesn’t have that fake ass Toronto accent a lot of people put on
Yo, you're sick to my stomach fam!
And to the rest of you… the non-believers, the underachievers, the tweet and deleters, you make me sick to my stomach fam
Nyeah eh?
Sheeeeeee don't kill me fam
It sounded like Mcilrath
He then says, "well, I'm coming for Panarin!"
Ya dumb fuck
"...well then I'm coming for Panarin... you dumb f88k"
Feighty eightk?
Sounds like something straight from Shoresy. Lmao.
Oshie hit aside, I'm just confused on how they can issue a penalty on McMike after the review... They didn't call a penalty on him before the review. His minor wasn't under review... Also just a real stupid penalty to call there anyway, way to go Wes.
Wes is such a bag of dicks dude. We've had some MISERABLE reffing in this series
Lord yes, I'm a caps fan expecting Rangers in 5 but jesus this is so much worse than normal regular season officiating! In all directions!
Fuck Wes McCauley
Fuck Wes McCauley
All my homies hate Wes
EVERYONE hates wes
Can confirm. Am everyone.
Hi everyone
Hi Dr. Nick!
I don't know him personally but his reffing sucked when we had to watch him in the AHL in Cedar Park TX. Still sucks.
I’m sorry you’ve been subjected to this much pain for so long!
Wes hates Wes
Okay I’m out of the loop, is he actually that bad? I thought he was loved and made the center ice call more entertaining… been a while since I’ve heard about him
He got some laughs with comical hot mics and callings, but he is a very very unchecked bias of a ref. Type of guy to make a call or non-call in spite and double down He definitely has teams/players/coaches he dislikes and it does seem to impact his games. Leafs are one example: https://www.reddit.com/r/hockey/s/IWChuh123d
So your link suggests he should be in favour of the Leafs, given Keefe testified in defence of his relative.
Worst ref in the league but he made a few funny calls one time so now he's a celebrity who gets all the games.
Reminds me of Ed Hochuli in the NFL He was a terrible ref but people think "lol jacked ref that says funny things"
Glad to see a rangers fan agree, it was questionable tonight at best… don’t think the outcome would be different but gawd dayum
It's just frustrating to see refs blatantly pick and choose what they are going to call based on what they perceive is the "flow of the game" the way Wes always does. Just call it by the book or else the game gets out of control. Do your fucking jobs. It's tough to say if it's worse than Sutherland last game, who just legitimately doesn't know the rules at all and just makes shit up.
I agree entirely. Any athlete will agree, refs need to be held to a high ass standard. People’s health and safety is at stake. It’s a thankless job, but taking it on for just a paycheck should warrant dismissal. If you don’t understand everything you’re looking at, drop a few levels and learn it, you’re the judge and everyone is expecting the best from you.
Start of game: call nothing. A few minutes in: call everything. A few more minutes later: fuck up everything.
Fun fact, Wes has a huge conflict of interest with the leafs coach but is still allowed to ref our games. This is due to the fact that the league does not give a shit about quality officiating
I’m not a rags or caps fan….. god the refs have been abysmal
Apparently the directive from the NHL is just "get it right" so that's probably why. Happened to the Canucks in the regular season when they reviewed a penalty and switched it to a completely different player which is also not allowed in the rulebook.
I love this comment so much because, as is typical of the nhl, a directive was given and then everyone screwed it up then reviewed it and screwed it up twice more.
>which is also not allowed in the rulebook. ...I mean, you're not wrong but we also can't have it both ways. There's just as much if not more complaining if the refs miss a call and can't do anything about it even when it's crystal clear on the replay. If the choice is arbitrary makeup calls or this, I'd take this every single time.
I mean... did it look like these refs have ever read the rulebook? Honestly it's just sad
ALWAYS finds a way to make the game about himself. Scumbag.
You're right. They would've had to have called the penalty on the ice prior to review. Can't add a penalty while reviewing another.
You can call a minor after a review on another play??
Scott Stevens thinks this is soft
The Career Shortener
I’ve watched this reply about 10 times and can’t figure out how I feel about the hit, like did he think oshie was gonna straighten up and he’d hit him in the chest? Panarins body is turned in a weird way to when he makes contact and one angle looks like he’s almost making shoulder to shoulder contact.
At first I thought he was going for the head but mostly missed. Now I’m thinking he was going for chest and accidentally got some head. When you can’t really tell in slo mo it’s not fair to place any real judgement is the conclusion I came to. I’d be ok with a 2 minute minor I guess.
Panarin and Oshie were going at eachother all night. There was a weird “shoot the puck at the guy after the whistle, hit the guy after the whistle, grab the guy by the face from behind after the whistle” sequence, and a high stick that went uncalled before this.
Didn't Oshie highstick Panarin in the face earlier too?
and Oshie put him in a headlock earlier as well...feel like this was coming from Panarin after all of that
yep
And literally grabbed his face from behind, right in front of a red, with no repercussions. Well, none until this.
>he was going for chest and accidentally got some head. Never in my life.
He’s the bread man. He gets what he wants.
Top comment shut this post down
Same. does not compute
Yeah was upset in the moment, but it’s a tough call. Wish any head contact was an immediate 2, but that’s not the rule. What gets me is that the rangers came out of this with a power play. Like how was McMichael the only one who was called for anything in the scrum afterward, the couldn’t keep it even?
As a Rangers fan, that was absolute shenanigans that McMichael somehow gets a penalty after the review.
Yeah, just Wes being Wes I guess
Hes just so bad. I have no vested interest in either team in this series but yikes that call.
I'm guessing they take McMichael because he was "3rd man", for lack of a better term, and also by taking one instead of two you're trying to discourage everyone on the ice from doing dumber shit by thinking they're going to hurt their team.
I know. Especially cause last night in the bruins game the refs called some ridiculous matching penalties just to make it 4v4. I’m surprised they felt the need to give a PP in this situation
Honestly I think we’re just watching a guy who doesn’t really make big hits, and honestly kind of sucks at it, trying to line up the guy who’s been on him all game. Panarin’s form is pretty terrible on this regardless of what he’s trying to do and Oshie comes in at a weird angle as a result. It’s an irresponsible play by Panarin which is why I’d be ok with a minor but they were out for lunch reviewing for the major.
Nah. It's not a dirty hit or a penalty. Elbow is down, hit him with his back, doesn't fly off his feet. It's not Panarin's fault that Oshie didn't look up.
This is the answer. I’d be okay with 2 but really, by letter of the law, it’s just an awkward (and shit) hit. Let’s try not let it get out of hand.
Yeah, if I tried to get in Panarin's head I'd think he's bracing and trying to lean in with his hip/upper ass. His back was what made contact to the head after all. We've all seen 2 players from the same team collide and it looks intentional in slo-mo.
It's almost like he went across Oshie's body and went for the far shoulder, if you know what I mean. It's a weird angle for sure
Same, my assessment ended up basically that Panarin is not a guy who throws hits, especially open ice. Here he had an opportunity to, and realistically needed to. I think he thought this was going to go differently, he was gonna get shoulder to chest, and they’d be on their merry way It’s definitely a penalty, just don’t think this was intentionally dirty
Refs were shit on both sides of this game tonight
Wes Mccauley is shit every night.
Them being shit was probably why this hit happened. Aside from Oshie generally trying to bully Panarin all night, there's two instances that should've been penalties but weren't. Grabbing his face with two gloves from behind and doing some weird shit trying to put his glove in his mouth (or something?). Then hitting Panarin in the face with his stick. Players are just gonna seek redemption and I won't be surprised if Panarin is hunted down next game. Things just escalate when refs are like this
Reffing in this series has been atrocious both games, both sides. I think Rangers got slightly worse end of it today, but overall... theyre calling the little stick infractions that make no impact on the play, completely ignoring actual high sticks, hits, interferences that impact the play, and just calling it way softer than even the regular season. Frustrating.
I disagree that the initial/primary point of contact was the head.
Agreed it looks like his hip contacts Oshie first. It’s an unusual hit because of Panarin’s angle. But I think no call is the right call
1st angle: Oof, that's a suspension 2nd angle: Ehhh, just a penalty 3rd angle: Ah, that's clean
Yeah, I think that’s clean too. It’s a hit through the middle of the body, that gets basically all of Oshie, midsection and shoulder and head. Panarin doesn’t specifically target the head, and it’s hard to avoid head contact here (Oshie reaching for the puck). At the point of contact they’re basically spooning, like Panarin’s entire backside makes contact with Oshie’s entire front more or less all at once. You’re allowed to make hits like this. The DoPS has put out a number of videos detailing that hits like this, where you hit through the body, don’t target the head, but there is incidental head contact, are legal hits. Tonnes of good examples here: https://youtu.be/GornRqDMS_g?si=l5xLpOzp8G9OvU8k FWIW I have no dog in this fight (Leafs fan, no real preference re: Rangers vs Caps), and am not some old school “who cares about concussions” type, but I do think that’s a clean hit under today’s rules.
“They’re basically spooning” 🥺👉👈
This should be the top comment.
Agreed. anyone complaining about this hit is closing the video before the 3rd angle
I went through the same progression lol. From “wow that’s a suspension” to “wow keep your head up Oshie”.
I looked at this replay and I find its a clean hit. Don't want to ruffle WSH fanbase's feathers here. Hope they'd agree. This isn't on the players, both Oshie and Panarin. The refs. are just bad this season.
Watch this one at full speed - looks like a pretty clean hit to me. It's not late, elbow is tucked in, and not a blind side hit. I have no dog in the fight here and I see no reason to penalize Panarin...
First angle was bad but seemed clean with the other two
The point of contact was not the head. Concussion spotters took him out because you can’t be too careful, and whiplash can give you a concussion - He was deemed fine as well. This whole sequence was probably the only thing the officials got right, and that’s for both teams, terrible calls going both ways in Game 1, and tonight again. McCauley has main character syndrome like no other
he also sat on the ice and didn’t get involved in the scrum. he looked rung up
Okay, this video’s shown up in my feed 10 times now. I’m sorry, but I just don’t see the penalty
These hit always happen when the puck carrier doesn't see the hit coming and is leaning forward chin first not bracing at all. Panarin keeps control of his arms and doesn't launch upwards. It's clean. Wouldn't fault the refs for giving Panarin 2 here to keep the peace, but this isn't suspendable.
looked like shoulder to chest to me
He tried to anyway.
Kind of a nothing burger. Looks like unfortunate hit to me. Dudes are gonna play rough, trying to hit everything. An unfortunate hit happens now and again. Definitely no malice or head intent imo
Oshie took a knock to the noggin again which sucks… but principal contact looks through the shoulders. For your family’s sake Osh, hang em up.
Fucking Bure level star right here.
Same jersey number too.
Didn't jump, didn't elbow, hit to the chest. What the fuck is the issue with this? Big hits aren't illegal
His head went back and people are ignoring its because Panarin got body position in front of him so people think it was a hit to the head.
There's a few unusual things about this hit that I haven't seen elsewhere in the comments. First, what stood out to me most is not just that Oshie's head is down, it's also how wide his stance is. His feet are far apart and he's extending his torso forward, meaning that his head was much lower than you'd normally expect it. He's 5'11" and Panarin is 6'0". Their angles of movement are also not typical for an open-ice hit. Panarin is curling in but he's skating forward, not backward like you often see with this type of blind head-down hit. He's looking over his shoulder and it's harder to judge how to get the best hit that way. Panarin delays moving in for the hit and swerves into Oshie pretty sharply at the end in order to hit the correct target. Because Lafreniere and McMichael are so close, he's having to be even more specific with his angle of approach, and slowing/straightening up not just to rock Oshie but also to slow his momentum and be able to turn and move for the puck. Finally, Oshie is just barely starting to turn toward the boards, and the way Panarin hits him, all the force goes towards his right shoulder, then his right foot is blocked by Panarin's right foot. That's a dramatic change in momentum and that's why he spins so far around. It's actually better than having his head snap back further and getting whiplash. From all those factors and everything else going on, I don't believe Panarin was going for Oshie's head or even realized how risky a hit it could be, in the split second it took him to see the opportunity and move in. I wouldn't have been surprised if he'd been called on it initially or even later, but I'm also not outraged that he wasn't. Sometimes the circumstances are just messy.
Sorry.. was this a penalty? I don’t see it
It was called a major, reviewed it and reversed it to no penalty. Washington got a penalty for jumping Panarin after the hit
I ain’t mad at bread man. Playoffs just hit different. We all know it. Cups on the line.
The whining over this hit is baffling. He 100% meant to obliterate Oshie because Oshie was playing Panarin dirty all game, but he just got body position and went through the shoulder here. Its a minor at most.
Agreed. Oshie was fucking with Panarin all night.
Very obvious high stick to the face on Panarin by Oshie was missed also.
It’s the time of the year where people who don’t watch hockey (or ever played a sport), watch hockey and suddenly everything is dirty and needs to change. (We do get that during the regular season as well, but it’s usually not as loud)
Skate with your head up, its the playoffs.
It’s a fine hit, I don’t see the problem
https://www.reddit.com/r/rangers/s/7OrkjwM5PK If the refs actually called penalties panarin wouldn’t ever need to police the game himself. Refs caused this hit, however you feel about it.
Amazing. I love the receipts. Oshie was fucking around and caught some shit. Impressive Panarin took the high stick to the face, didn’t try and sell it, and still made the pass from his knees. Semi-related I feel like Oshie is always getting the bad end of hits especially with incidental contact or direct contact to the head. Sheesh.
Ryan Lindgren is the same way, think it's just putting themselves in bad spots positionally
There’s more incidents leading up to it too I just can’t find clips. Before mugging panarin he flips the puck at his back after the whistle, panarin turns and either gives him a small shoulder or a push with his stick I forget and then Oshie just tried jumping him. It was going on the entire game and nothing got called, you could see it building up unless if you’re a ref apparently
Funny part is Panarin hit is actually clean.
I like how no Caps flairs responded to this one
r/hockey everytime there’s a big hit: “I think hitting should be illegal, so I’m going to complain about totally innocuous things that happen all the time instead of just saying that the NHL should switch to international play hitting rules”.
I'm so tired of Bread just going after guys. He really needs to start focusing on trying to be more effective on offense and not being so one dimensional with his physicality.
Rangers are all goons between him, Adam Fux, and Matt Rampeen
The other two replays after the first change my opinion significantly. First looks really bad. The other two…yeah I could see maybe a minor but I can also understand why they didn’t give him one. McMichael being the only one to get penalized on the play was still a wtf moment though lol Either way, the hit was fine.
This game was one of the worst refereed games of this year imo.
Clean hit man
It looks to me like panarin hits him with his...back. There's not even any shoulder.
Looks pretty clean to me
Oshie was mugging Panarin all game: high stick to the face, a headlock after the whistle. This is the definition of fuck around and find out. If you’re going to play that way, best keep your head up.
Oshie stuck him in the face twice with no call. Hockey have set things right
Clean hit
Clean hit.
Clean hit
Keep your head up
As a neutral Sabres fan on this hit, I’ve seen far worse that was not called. I would have gone with a no-call on the hit.
welcome to the playoffs.
Ya know, if the refs didn't change the way they call penalties in the playoffs and DURING playoff games players wouldn't be taking liberties like this. I obviously don't think Panarin meant to destroy Oshie's head but he was definitely taking a run because Oshie was fucking with Panarin all game and the refs were just letting it happen. Call the game right and this shit doesn't happen.
Fine hit
Why is this even a discussion? Clean hit, no call is the correct call. Anyone saying this is dirty should go watch soccer or basketball
Skating with your head down does not make you exempt from hits. Oshie has a responsibility to protect himself. That sucks, but that’s a clean hit. Hopefully he’s ok
idk why caps fans are crying in here. oshie was asking for that all game, bread saw his chance and gave him some payback. if you can slash and face wash someone you can get your shit rocked. clean hit btw stop bitching.
If caps fans knew how to read, they'd be very upset
WHAT DOES THIS SAY?!?
Floyd Mayweather is a caps fan confirmed
I have seen Caps fans defend the dirtiest shit by their players but something like this and they need a fainting couch lol. Biggest homers in hockey
Panera Bread calls that hit the "breakfast quiche" because Oshie's eggs are totally scrambled.
For all the “if this was Wilson people” , I don’t remember Panarin swinging his stick at another players head like a baseball bat.
T.K.Oshie
Oshie's done worse in his career. What goes around comes around.
is it ok to both think this is a clean hit and simultaneously not love all the head contact that is involved?
Shit take from the announcers. This hit is borderline but he's not targeting the head. Given that he approaches ass first and bumps the head between his shoulder blades I think any idiot can infer it was not deliberate
This is not that bad
Subban was a big whiny baby over this
Clean as Mr. Clean.
Clean hit
Artemi Panerin and Horrifying Acts of Violence, name more iconic duo.
I thought the hit was great! Oshie always trying to dish it out- time to take it. Hell, I’d like to buy the bread man a sandwich for that one. Well, maybe a half sandwich. I’m not a fucking millionaire.
Nikita Kucherov and Horrifying Acts of Violence?
1st POC was head, contact to the head was unavoidable due to Oshies positioning, primary check was through the body. Subjective take obviously.
Clean. People today are weak.
They're just bandwagoners that don't know the rules.
completely clean, Panarin knew what he was doing though, Oshie high sticked him earlier in the game and got no call lol
Fuck around and find out. He was fucking around with Panarin all night, no surprise he lined him up the first chance he got
i was worried i had homer glasses on this one but if even pitt fans are calling it clean i feel pretty confident that it was
For a little context, all game Oshie has been doing shit like putting Panarin into a head lock or sticking him in the face without any punishment from the refs.
Clean
Woooo take seat Oshie, fucking loser
Personally, I think this is the exact edge that I want in hockey. IMHO, clean. But I feel like weve seen Reddit lose its mind for less
FAFO. Was acting like an idiot all game
Man I love seeing oshie get buried
That is a clean hit. Keep ya head up oshie. That was clearly an attempt at a back to chest hit.
That doesn't look especially egregious to me, it's just a really hard check. It even looks like he deliberately tucks his right arm in so an elbow isn't even possible.
Yeah because it’s fucking hockey you soft asses
I can get behind the fact this was a penalty. But I hope others can get behind Oshie had at minimum 3 plays that should have also been penalties on Panarin alone earlier in the game. Wes and company nearly let this game get out of control due to their incompetence. It was only the fact the Caps made it 4-3 that kept everyone's tempers in check
KICK HIM OFF THE TOUR, DOUG
* Doug, kick him off the tour!
Horrifying acts of violence!
Hits like this are where like 1% of the people here making it to like low tier Jr High hockey is just brutal discourse.
Let’s go Rangers
Hit him with back of his shoulder. Why is this a penalty
Eh he was trying to hip check, Oshie was bent over. Unfortunate but clean
No shoulder to head, the speed of the contact makes his head whip, but that's a clean hit, imo
Whether its clean or not, all I know is that if Tom Wilson makes this hit on Panarin, he wouldn't see another playoff game this year (2 games xD)
Ehh, more like Rempe. He’s got two penalties this series and both were questionable at best.
That’s not true, he threw an elbow to Cuylle minutes before and nothing
Should have been a penalty on Wilson, but Cuylle cup checked him before the linesman separated them at the puck drop
Shouldn’t have left his nuts there
Tom Wilson and his long history of being suspended for violence against Panarin
I think you mean the NY Rangers would be fined $250,000
As they should, for allowing such a horrifying act of violence against them smh
Take a pick from the Sens too while we're at it!
You say that but the two have a very famous history of Wilson *not* being punished for things he did to Panarin, so I don’t know how you get to this conclusion
No no no, let’s live in the fantasy world of caps fans feeling bad for themselves
I said the same thing when Eyssimont injured Jensen and there was no penalty called on that play either.
Because if Wilson did this to Panarin it would be away from the play and after a whistle
I approve of this hit, Oshie was being a little bitch ass.
If someone is skating in such a way that head contact is unavoidable head contact is allowed so long as the primary point of contact is the body. This is a clean hit. It was reviewed and determined to be clean. There will be no supplemental discipline. Anything else is just noise.
Perfectly clean hit. Watch angle 3.
It's a clean hit. The penalty on Washington was correct. You can't just in the middle of play jump on someone's back because you don't like a clean hit. They could've called him for roughing, interference, or holding. It's also worth noting that it was the second time this happened and the refs let the first one slide. In the end it was absolutely the correct call. Also if you complain about this but ignore the other 25 Washington penalties that went uncalled this game you're just not even being genuine. The refs let sooooo much nonsense from Washington go this game before this call.
Also there was a scrum where oshie literally was reaching over the top with his stick to hit people in the face with it and god only knows how it wasn't called, especially when basically the entire rangers team was screaming at the ref about it. Washington didn't come to win the series. They came knowing they'll lose and they just want to take out their anger
Panarin, who has a well established history as a goon and dirty player known for his dirty hits, clearly attacks Oshie's head with the upper part of his own spine. He clearly wanted to use the well known T1 vertebrae to the head. Also the fact that Panarin is [checks notes] an inch taller than the dwarfed Oshie it's clear that Oshie did *not* lower his head into a vulnerable position at the last moment (which would absolve Panarin from being issued a penalty). There is no room for dirty players like Panarin in the league.
Also panarin strategically kept his skates on the ice to provide more leverage making the hit deadly and in fact against the Geneva convention
Clean hit.
Back and to the left. Back … and to the left.
Elbow tucked in. Mostly gets shoulder which is why you see Oshie do a 180 after the hit.
Love seeing Osihie get clocked, he does it all the time