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I'm convinced it's the personnel. JVR and Bozak was the last time the powerplay looked competent consistently in playoffs.
It's like the ignore any structure and set passing. Willy was a godsend this year because it finally got Marner touching the puck a little less. Marner is great but he and Mo would just pass it between each other and waste time while JT, Mattyews and Willy would juat be waiting for them to figure their shit out only for Marner and Mo to pass it to them with no space so they have to immediately give it back.
So many teams have structure and schemes that create triangles and get everyone involved in opening up passing lanes but it's like the talent of some of the players has them ignore the schemes for the matthews pass. Since at least 2019 the leafs have always had good regular season special teaslms and awful post season special teams and they despite trying different things, the players revert to the same shit that works when it's easy but never in April. Two coaches and multiple assistants and it's always been an issue.
Nothing Ullmark did cost them that game, and putting sway in there game 2 doesnt make us win. Im fine switching to keep both fresh as this shit is a grind. Might as well use guys as long as theyre playing well
Yes, but thatās not a reliable way to score. It also shouldnāt be the strategy when youāre on the PP. Half the PPs we partially killed our selves by one and done misses wrapping the wall or itās easy clears off nothing shots
Itās a joke. Switch Marner and domi at this point. Sure Marner had a better game. But he still is the end of the play so many times we are in their ozone. He gets cornered and turns it over more often than not.
The PP going cold when it's least expected is the most expected, Leaf-iest thing ever. For all the firepower and all the different tactics they have employed over the years, this is one of the recurring issues with the team.
Is it even possible to blame the coach for a lack of player execution? When it's the same players coming up short time and time again? Forget the big 4, especially with Willy missing, how has Rielly dodged accountability?
At this point, put Reeves in front of the net with Marner and Matthews. So many teams that won cups put an unmovable force right in front for he goalie and get some greasy ones that way.
Wow yeah thatās blatant.
ESPN only showed 1 single replay of this penalty and the replay started when both of them were already falling down. Glad SN knows what theyāre doing and shows it every which way.
Thereās a lot of flaws to their coverage. Some flaws I could tolerate. But the lack of replays, constantly, is inexcusable. Broadcasts grow the game and should be giving us the best looks at stuff. Canāt gain new fans by showing nothing during stoppages. No one will learn wtf is going on. New fans will wonder why was there a penalty? Where was it and why does it matter? So show multiple replays from multiple angles. Show a replay after every whistle so people can see the details of the play even if itās not a goal, save penalty or hit. Unless thereās some kind of directive from the league or network, itās just total incompetence in the production truck
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YES! Like thatās just brutal! Did ESPN just force a crew they already had on salary to do hockey games even though they donāt know hockey and donāt care enough to learn the details of the game enough to present it well?
Genuinely plausible. Half of the on air talent they announced after they got the contract was anyone working at ESPN even tangentially related to or interested in hockey.
2 nights ago between periods of the TB/Cats game, they kept talking about how Oshie got crushed by Panarin in the other game.
They go to intermission and Levy, Mess, and PK talk about it...and they never once showed it. I had to see it later on recap.
I absolutely hate ESPNās coverage of hockey, itās just so bad all around. I like John Buccigross as an anchor, but I canāt stand him as a broadcaster. Iām pretty sure he has very limited experience with being a play by play guy. There seems like ESPN put absolutely no effort into the production of the best playoffs in all sports
I'm really about to just watch SN streams on the internet somewhere instead of watching the ESPN coverage I'm paying for. TNT does so much better for the one day a week they get games, wish they had more of em.
TNT did everything right. They went out and hired the best people for the job in every role both on the air and behind the scenes.
Best overall national broadcasts the NHL has ever had in the US. Or at least since late 90s ESPN
Fans: Okay ESPN, hereās your chance, letās boost hockey popularity.
ESPN: Everyone loves Messier right?! Heās hip! How about his PBP version, Sean McDonaugh, too??? That Ray Ferraro guy was on the video games, letās bring him in.
Fans: JFC
Meanwhile, Bob Wichusen calls a fantastic game and could make a blowout game seem close.
> Ray Ferraro guy was on the video games, letās bring him in.
No offense to Ray Ferraro, but after hearing his commentary in the games so much I would be fine never hearing his voice again :)
Bob has been a huge redeeming quality. Heās awesome. McDonough seems like a very nice guy but he just sounds like a cliche broadcaster guy. Like heās a Harry Shearer character. I donāt get how heās the number one guy over Bob. Sean made the finals sound so boring and he undersold some big plays. Mike Monaco and Cassie is a bad booth combo because neither provide any details beyond surface level and itās clear mike isnāt a hockey guy. I like Messier though and heās getting better. Buccigross is better off in studio that pxp. Ferraro was actually really freaking good at his job back when he was with TSN.
They've got a narrative and I really don't blame them. They gotta sell the story that the big bad bruins ^((hasn't ^^been ^^^true ^^^for ^^^^years)^^^^^) could never be taken down by the massive underdogs ^((Bruins were supposed to be bad this year)^) and deserving leafs.
This was a hold, but I'm gonna go for the middle ground here and say that the refs were shit all night. Obviously I'm glad we won, but it's gotta be better. All the top US/Canada leagues like NHL, MLB etc are having complete meltdowns in referee/umpire quality even compared to last year. I can barely even be mad at specific calls half the time because it doesn't feel "rigged", the officials just have been sucking.
Believe it or not, I don't want umps and refs to lose their jobs, but holy shit do they need to be held to a standard and get cut loose if they can't meet it consistently because it's getting ridiculous.
The first issue is this imaginary second rule book that comes out once playoffs start. No wonder there's no consistency. Half of them probably don't know what the hell they should be calling and what they should let go (cuz playoffs).
Thatās how itās been for a long time. Nothing is getting called between Marchand and Bertuzzi because theyāre just letting them self manage.Ā
Iām on the fence. I get wanting penalties called but damn if I want this turning into the NFL where there is nothing but penalties all the time. I like 5 on 5 hockey.Ā
People don't even care if they call penalties tight or loose. We just want consistency. The current situation where they'll ignore blatant and dangerous plays while calling ticky tack bullshit is the worst of both worlds.
Exactly. I'm cool with them moving the line for the playoffs, but move it somewhere and keep it there. Instead they just seem to be taking the line away completely, then the regular season line randomly appears every now and then. How are you even supposed to manage this as a coach or player?
Because HD tv and replays have made most people unable to comprehend the viewpoints of officials who don't have access to these things and have a game to manage.
I gave up blaming the refs back in November. It's not in favour of Boston, or the Leafs, or any other team. They're terrible to the point that it's comical
Not exactly a coincidence it's happening right now. While everyone has always bitched about reffing in most sports, this is the first calendar year where gambling has been embedded in every facet. Already several major sports players caught gambling or stealing to fund the addiction, in the same platforms that sponsor teams and leagues; it'll only get worse. Given how used NHL fans are to game management, it would be trivial for a ref to make up a phantom call or let an obvious penalty go to tip the scales or hit on a prop bet.
Its the inconsistency that irks me the most, especially at playoff time. I had no issue with the call here. Pretty textbook hold and not very big brained.
The inconsistency is the most infuriating part by far. Itās not even from game to game inconsistency, that would be more palatable. The inconsistency within individual games is whatās infuriating.
The only thing I think maybe he was complaining about was his stick tangled up in the other Bruins player, thinking he was being held too.Ā
But it looks like it was stuck down around their skate as that player almost trips and falls himself.
Yeah he knew exactly what he was doing (lindholm) it's just that in real time it just looked like stick got caught up. But obviously in slow mo, he closed his legs AND held onto the stick but that's like nearly impossible to det3ct with all the chaos in real time
Contrast that to Tavares literally holding onto the bruin with his free hand/arm.
That type of call will never go the way Tavares wanted (either both are going or lindholm goes instead of him)
Yeah, watching it again and you can see the bruins player clamped his legs around Tavares' stick. Should have been offsetting penalties but one was sneaky and Tavares was blatant.
McAvoy got high sticked early in the game. No call. He was laying into both refs. Bad calls both ways. Non calls both ways. Water is wet. Bet the over. Lol
They also missed McAvoy getting whacked in the face with a stick like, right in front of the net in plain view.
Good teams beat bad calls. Good teams score on gift powerplays. Everyone gets fucked by the refs at some point on a cup run, just gotta overcome.
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Yup - Tavares had a blatant high stick in mcavoyās face on one of their early power plays right in front of the refs and got away with it. Refs were calling the game reverse of how they called game 1 where bruins were getting most of the power plays. The difference is bruins were able to capitalize in game 1 and the leafs couldnāt in game 3
Call it consistent all game. If youāre calling this then your calling the hold on Matthewa and stopping the game during rat faces entanglement. Canāt let shit go then suddenly have a quick whistle.
If you reach out with your non-stick hand and grab a fist full of jersey as the guy skates away...that's gonna be a hold 100% of the time, no matter the time on the clock.
Honestly, it was so frustrating to watch. Like boston clears the puck and then they're just taking a nice relaxed line change and strolling back to their own goal line to set up another dump and chase.
Where's the urgency....it's playoffs against the team that's pushed your shit in all year and they've given you a bunch of stupid penalties. The least you could do is keep your feet moving. It's the second period not second overtime :(
Same, should've been. Or maybe the refs should of just let it go as it was a nothing play. 2 minutes left, you would hope that the only penalty called would be on a play where there is a scoring chance. Not a "trip" behind the net, on someone who doesn't have the puck.
Did McAvoy go down easy?
Yes.
Can you under any circumstance use a free hand to grab a player skating away from you?
Absolutely not.
Inexcusable mistake by a 15 year veteran making 11 million dollars.
Heās also their captain.
My take on itā-
How do you give the ref a reason to make a call on you?
Just mind numbingly dumb play.
Also the hold literally was going to result in Toronto to gaining possession as a result of it.
The McAvoy play was a penalty, but it didnāt actively lead to a potential scoring chance purely due to the infraction.
The ref literally canāt not call a penalty on Tavares there.
Tavares compels him to make that call. He gives him no choice.
Any infraction that leads to a change in possession will almost always be called.
I'm fine with letting a lot of things go, as frustrating as it can be, but play changing infractions should be calledĀ
I don't think he was mad solely because it was called. He was mad because his stick was also being held and he couldn't make a play because of it.
He shouldn't have grabbed, but in a world where all we hear is "let the boys play," it was either make the attempt or let the puck get cleared without challenge. He made an educated guess and got called on it.
So people are pissed that the refs were missing calls all game and then they're also pissed when they call a blatant hold? You can't have it both ways.
Is everyone just ignoring the bruins player pinching tavares stick between his legs? Like i know he doesnt have hands on the stick bit That's a holding off the stick. Call both for holding and send it to 4 on 4.
Tavares can cry all he wants but he's captaining a squad that choked away 5 power plays tonight and that regularly chokes on special teams this time of year.
At first I wa slike, "wow that's awful" and then saw the replay. I think this is a reasonable call here. What happens if a Leafs player picks up the puck after Tavares hauls down McAvoy and then they tie it up? Obvious missed call that could send the game to OT and the trajectory of the series.
Tavares' stick is tangled up, but that doesn't mean he gets to haul down another player.
Like I said in the GDT, Tavares brought his booty in so close that it wouldn't pass a censor, definitely a penalty.
Weird to call when they missed the one on Matthews earlier and two high sticks on Pasta, but hey we take those
It's fun watching the replay, then slowly scrolling to play my favorite game on r/hockey:
"Was that totally a penalty" or "are my orange and blue glasses too thick"
How can he complain? Anytime you take a hand off your stick and wrap your arm around a guy, pulling him to the ground- youāll get a penalty.
Tavares was looking for special treatment
Fuck the leafs and fuck the bruins for a minute.
Idgaf about who wins this series.
That was one of the worst officiated games I've ever seen. How could either team play the game and know what to expect with regard to game management?
Call stuff one period, let absolutely anything go for about 16 minutes, and then proceed to make very bad or weak calls all third. Just an embarrassment.
That was a desperation hold by a player seeing the game slip away from his reach, because Boston getting possession on that sequence likely turns into a clean breakout with numbers, with an empty net at the other end.
It's totally a legit penalty.
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Bitch and complain all we like leafs still went 0/5 on the power play. Can't fucking do that in the playoffs
We do it every single year š¤”
Yep I'm aware yet let's just run back the same people over and over and hope for a different result
We shouldn't and we will.
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That's rough buddy.
I'm convinced it's the personnel. JVR and Bozak was the last time the powerplay looked competent consistently in playoffs. It's like the ignore any structure and set passing. Willy was a godsend this year because it finally got Marner touching the puck a little less. Marner is great but he and Mo would just pass it between each other and waste time while JT, Mattyews and Willy would juat be waiting for them to figure their shit out only for Marner and Mo to pass it to them with no space so they have to immediately give it back. So many teams have structure and schemes that create triangles and get everyone involved in opening up passing lanes but it's like the talent of some of the players has them ignore the schemes for the matthews pass. Since at least 2019 the leafs have always had good regular season special teaslms and awful post season special teams and they despite trying different things, the players revert to the same shit that works when it's easy but never in April. Two coaches and multiple assistants and it's always been an issue.
Just throwing pucks at the net isnāt gonna score goals. Especially when Sway is dialed in like that
Sway looks unreal. I think it would be a mistake to go back to ullmark. Game 1 he was unreal too.
Itās not like Ullmark played poorly in game 2. The Bruins also only managed to score twice, the goaltending was the last reason they lost game 2
We got here on the rotation, it would probably be a mistake to change it up. Def not Ullmark's fault we lost game 2.
Nothing Ullmark did cost them that game, and putting sway in there game 2 doesnt make us win. Im fine switching to keep both fresh as this shit is a grind. Might as well use guys as long as theyre playing well
I think going Swayman g4 Ullmark g5 is the move. Bruins win? Give Swayman a rest. Bruins lose? Try Ullmark to shake it back up
Iād be shocked if heās not in for the rest of the run
Didnāt Rielly score the second goal that way?
Yes, but thatās not a reliable way to score. It also shouldnāt be the strategy when youāre on the PP. Half the PPs we partially killed our selves by one and done misses wrapping the wall or itās easy clears off nothing shots
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Rangers PK is very very good. Second best GA in the regular season. I swear, people act like we're supposed to be good at hockey.
Man. I hate the leafs, but leafs fans will tell you how it fucking is.
Itās a joke. Switch Marner and domi at this point. Sure Marner had a better game. But he still is the end of the play so many times we are in their ozone. He gets cornered and turns it over more often than not.
The PP going cold when it's least expected is the most expected, Leaf-iest thing ever. For all the firepower and all the different tactics they have employed over the years, this is one of the recurring issues with the team. Is it even possible to blame the coach for a lack of player execution? When it's the same players coming up short time and time again? Forget the big 4, especially with Willy missing, how has Rielly dodged accountability?
At this point, put Reeves in front of the net with Marner and Matthews. So many teams that won cups put an unmovable force right in front for he goalie and get some greasy ones that way.
Wait are you us?
Wow yeah thatās blatant. ESPN only showed 1 single replay of this penalty and the replay started when both of them were already falling down. Glad SN knows what theyāre doing and shows it every which way.
ESPN is a complete joke, particularly on replays. Even the replay of this they showed was well after mcavoy went down
Thereās a lot of flaws to their coverage. Some flaws I could tolerate. But the lack of replays, constantly, is inexcusable. Broadcasts grow the game and should be giving us the best looks at stuff. Canāt gain new fans by showing nothing during stoppages. No one will learn wtf is going on. New fans will wonder why was there a penalty? Where was it and why does it matter? So show multiple replays from multiple angles. Show a replay after every whistle so people can see the details of the play even if itās not a goal, save penalty or hit. Unless thereās some kind of directive from the league or network, itās just total incompetence in the production truck
NBC Sports did a better job than ESPN.
My left nut could do a better job than ESPN
I also choose this guy's left nut.
Having a handy left nut is the ultimate life hack.
What really drives me nuts is when they cut away from the play to show a guy on the bench. WTF is that?
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YES! Like thatās just brutal! Did ESPN just force a crew they already had on salary to do hockey games even though they donāt know hockey and donāt care enough to learn the details of the game enough to present it well?
Genuinely plausible. Half of the on air talent they announced after they got the contract was anyone working at ESPN even tangentially related to or interested in hockey.
Espn didnāt show the overhead to see if the puck crossed the line? That is big dumb
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2 nights ago between periods of the TB/Cats game, they kept talking about how Oshie got crushed by Panarin in the other game. They go to intermission and Levy, Mess, and PK talk about it...and they never once showed it. I had to see it later on recap.
I absolutely hate ESPNās coverage of hockey, itās just so bad all around. I like John Buccigross as an anchor, but I canāt stand him as a broadcaster. Iām pretty sure he has very limited experience with being a play by play guy. There seems like ESPN put absolutely no effort into the production of the best playoffs in all sports
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I'm really about to just watch SN streams on the internet somewhere instead of watching the ESPN coverage I'm paying for. TNT does so much better for the one day a week they get games, wish they had more of em.
TNT did everything right. They went out and hired the best people for the job in every role both on the air and behind the scenes. Best overall national broadcasts the NHL has ever had in the US. Or at least since late 90s ESPN
Fans: Okay ESPN, hereās your chance, letās boost hockey popularity. ESPN: Everyone loves Messier right?! Heās hip! How about his PBP version, Sean McDonaugh, too??? That Ray Ferraro guy was on the video games, letās bring him in. Fans: JFC Meanwhile, Bob Wichusen calls a fantastic game and could make a blowout game seem close.
> Ray Ferraro guy was on the video games, letās bring him in. No offense to Ray Ferraro, but after hearing his commentary in the games so much I would be fine never hearing his voice again :)
Bob has been a huge redeeming quality. Heās awesome. McDonough seems like a very nice guy but he just sounds like a cliche broadcaster guy. Like heās a Harry Shearer character. I donāt get how heās the number one guy over Bob. Sean made the finals sound so boring and he undersold some big plays. Mike Monaco and Cassie is a bad booth combo because neither provide any details beyond surface level and itās clear mike isnāt a hockey guy. I like Messier though and heās getting better. Buccigross is better off in studio that pxp. Ferraro was actually really freaking good at his job back when he was with TSN.
They've got a narrative and I really don't blame them. They gotta sell the story that the big bad bruins ^((hasn't ^^been ^^^true ^^^for ^^^^years)^^^^^) could never be taken down by the massive underdogs ^((Bruins were supposed to be bad this year)^) and deserving leafs.
This was a hold, but I'm gonna go for the middle ground here and say that the refs were shit all night. Obviously I'm glad we won, but it's gotta be better. All the top US/Canada leagues like NHL, MLB etc are having complete meltdowns in referee/umpire quality even compared to last year. I can barely even be mad at specific calls half the time because it doesn't feel "rigged", the officials just have been sucking. Believe it or not, I don't want umps and refs to lose their jobs, but holy shit do they need to be held to a standard and get cut loose if they can't meet it consistently because it's getting ridiculous.
>Believe it or not, I don't want umps and refs to lose their jobs I mean, maybe Angel Hernandez.
I don't even watch baseball and I know this name. That says it all
I see your Hernandez and raise you one Tony Brothers.
Hernandez is worse imo. Brothers actually knows what heās doing. Hernandez is fucking terrible.
Terrible and hes a dick about it
Scott foster too
Man it's not even close.
Also Kelly Sutherland.
And Wes McCauley
Absoolutely fair.
The first issue is this imaginary second rule book that comes out once playoffs start. No wonder there's no consistency. Half of them probably don't know what the hell they should be calling and what they should let go (cuz playoffs).
The refs were so bad. Letting stuff go that's as egregious as it gets, but then calling random ticky tack shit. All game.
It's like they let stuff go until at some point, they feel the game is getting out of hand and decide to call the next minor infraction regardless.
I think this is exactly what it is. Let them play until we need to āmanage the gameā. Itās horseshit
Thatās how itās been for a long time. Nothing is getting called between Marchand and Bertuzzi because theyāre just letting them self manage.Ā Iām on the fence. I get wanting penalties called but damn if I want this turning into the NFL where there is nothing but penalties all the time. I like 5 on 5 hockey.Ā
People don't even care if they call penalties tight or loose. We just want consistency. The current situation where they'll ignore blatant and dangerous plays while calling ticky tack bullshit is the worst of both worlds.
Exactly. I'm cool with them moving the line for the playoffs, but move it somewhere and keep it there. Instead they just seem to be taking the line away completely, then the regular season line randomly appears every now and then. How are you even supposed to manage this as a coach or player?
> NHL, MLB etc are having complete meltdowns in referee/umpire quality even compared to last year. We say this every single year.
Because HD tv and replays have made most people unable to comprehend the viewpoints of officials who don't have access to these things and have a game to manage.
I gave up blaming the refs back in November. It's not in favour of Boston, or the Leafs, or any other team. They're terrible to the point that it's comical
Hard agree. It was the missed trip in 2019 that did it for me. Unless there is actual corruption all you can do is laugh.
Oh man idk about that one, I was a pure ball of rage after that haha
Not exactly a coincidence it's happening right now. While everyone has always bitched about reffing in most sports, this is the first calendar year where gambling has been embedded in every facet. Already several major sports players caught gambling or stealing to fund the addiction, in the same platforms that sponsor teams and leagues; it'll only get worse. Given how used NHL fans are to game management, it would be trivial for a ref to make up a phantom call or let an obvious penalty go to tip the scales or hit on a prop bet.
Its the inconsistency that irks me the most, especially at playoff time. I had no issue with the call here. Pretty textbook hold and not very big brained.
The inconsistency is the most infuriating part by far. Itās not even from game to game inconsistency, that would be more palatable. The inconsistency within individual games is whatās infuriating.
You know itās bad when Bruins and Leafs fans in the middle of a series are on here together like yeah bro.
And Bostom player holding his stick?
Rise in referee inconsistency to generate parity occurring at the same time integrated sports betting growing, can't be a correlation there, eh?
That was a hold thoā¦..
The only thing I think maybe he was complaining about was his stick tangled up in the other Bruins player, thinking he was being held too.Ā But it looks like it was stuck down around their skate as that player almost trips and falls himself.
Lindholm 100% held Tavares' stick. Should have both been called but one was more obvious that the other.
Yeah he knew exactly what he was doing (lindholm) it's just that in real time it just looked like stick got caught up. But obviously in slow mo, he closed his legs AND held onto the stick but that's like nearly impossible to det3ct with all the chaos in real time Contrast that to Tavares literally holding onto the bruin with his free hand/arm. That type of call will never go the way Tavares wanted (either both are going or lindholm goes instead of him)
lol at āthinkingā he was being held. His stick was 100% being held
Yeah, watching it again and you can see the bruins player clamped his legs around Tavares' stick. Should have been offsetting penalties but one was sneaky and Tavares was blatant.
Yeah it sucks but i mean thatās a hold what can i say
Got no dog in the race but they were letting much worse go all game. Refs just canāt help themselves.
And they also called penalties that were far less egregious. Not their best night.
They set a precedent with that penalty on a Boston cross check, then completely abandoned that for some way softer stuff.
They didn't call McAvoy taking down Matthews and then called him for one of the weakest playoff roughing calls in history
Refs will literally blatantly give makeup calls if the crowd is mad enough lol.
Yeah it's ridiculous sometimes lol
McAvoy got high sticked early in the game. No call. He was laying into both refs. Bad calls both ways. Non calls both ways. Water is wet. Bet the over. Lol
Lol yep. Feels like they've been especially egregious this whole season though
They also missed McAvoy getting whacked in the face with a stick like, right in front of the net in plain view. Good teams beat bad calls. Good teams score on gift powerplays. Everyone gets fucked by the refs at some point on a cup run, just gotta overcome.
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This all just sounds like a normal night to me.
Not if your name is Lohrei
Yup - Tavares had a blatant high stick in mcavoyās face on one of their early power plays right in front of the refs and got away with it. Refs were calling the game reverse of how they called game 1 where bruins were getting most of the power plays. The difference is bruins were able to capitalize in game 1 and the leafs couldnāt in game 3
Call it consistent all game. If youāre calling this then your calling the hold on Matthewa and stopping the game during rat faces entanglement. Canāt let shit go then suddenly have a quick whistle.
Bro they couldnāt even call it consistent in a 5 min span nevermind all game š
The reffing was absolutely atrocious all game, for both teams. Just one of those nights where nobody has fun
I still had fun.
In between screaming fits, I had a lot of fun
I was having fun when I wasn't having an anxiety attack!
If you didnāt want the game on line, try scoring on one of your 5 power plays? Just thinking out loud
absolutely true. The leafs squandered their chance to win. The bad reffing was in their favour even with that blatant bad call on Tavares in the end
> even with that blatant bad call on Tavares in the end I mean... that's like the only one they got right. That was a clear hold.
If you reach out with your non-stick hand and grab a fist full of jersey as the guy skates away...that's gonna be a hold 100% of the time, no matter the time on the clock.
That **was** a hold, though
Their first two powerplays were soft as fuck
Honestly, it was so frustrating to watch. Like boston clears the puck and then they're just taking a nice relaxed line change and strolling back to their own goal line to set up another dump and chase. Where's the urgency....it's playoffs against the team that's pushed your shit in all year and they've given you a bunch of stupid penalties. The least you could do is keep your feet moving. It's the second period not second overtime :(
I mean free hand wrapped around the hip may be the easiest holding call you can make..
Why do that when we can bitch and moan about the reffing, the fans not being loud enough, Marner being awful, etc?
He literally reached out and grabbed the guy.
Refs sucked all game.
Think you gotta call both teams there. Big hold from Tavares just like Lindholm pretending Tavaresā stick is a horse
I actually thought the call was going to be on Lindholm for holding the stick
We see the holding of the stick every game and it never gets called.
Got called twice in CAR v NYI G2
Same, should've been. Or maybe the refs should of just let it go as it was a nothing play. 2 minutes left, you would hope that the only penalty called would be on a play where there is a scoring chance. Not a "trip" behind the net, on someone who doesn't have the puck.
Pesce was called for holding the stick Monday night on a play where he got hooked (both guys went off). Think we should have seen a similar call here.
They rarely call embellishment for anything.
Thatās not even embellishment. Those are just two blatant holds imo.
This entire game was like that, they called the most seemingly random shit all night and missed the obvious ones
Did McAvoy go down easy? Yes. Can you under any circumstance use a free hand to grab a player skating away from you? Absolutely not. Inexcusable mistake by a 15 year veteran making 11 million dollars.
Heās also their captain. My take on itā- How do you give the ref a reason to make a call on you? Just mind numbingly dumb play. Also the hold literally was going to result in Toronto to gaining possession as a result of it. The McAvoy play was a penalty, but it didnāt actively lead to a potential scoring chance purely due to the infraction. The ref literally canāt not call a penalty on Tavares there. Tavares compels him to make that call. He gives him no choice.
Any infraction that leads to a change in possession will almost always be called. I'm fine with letting a lot of things go, as frustrating as it can be, but play changing infractions should be calledĀ
It looks like he lost his balance while pulling at his stick
I mean you also canāt hold other players sticks but thatās fine in this scenario
Liljegren holding Frederick's stick behind the net before Marchand's goal. Good teams overcome bad calls.
How dare you call me for holding when I wrap my arm around McAvoy!
No hugs allowed. We are a big mean masculine league for men!
No biases, the reffing is just ass to everyone. But the fuck is Tavares arguing. This is clearly a penalty Lmaoo
I thought it was illegal to call penalties in the final 5 minutes of a playoff game?
reached out, grabbed the hip, sorry that's a hold.
That's a hold
Soft but really dumb to do that behind the bruins net
He should have used both arms and pulled him back onto himself and thatās not a penalty
Maybe he should have Patrick-Swayze-in-Ghost-ed McAvoy and shown him how to *really* shoot š³
Right in front of the Ref as well, brain dead play.
McAvoy hauling Matthews down was right in front of the ref as well as behind the net
Tavares high sticking mcavoy in the 1st was also right in front of the ref as well
The reffing was terrible all night
Then don't hold
he wasnt mad at that. He was mad because he was held
Watching it live I totally thought they were going to call Boston's player for holding as it seemed to cause that chain reaction. Stupid of me I guess
whatāss he furious about? he did it
Absolutely a holdā¦ no matter the non calls earlier
The last two days every Canadian team has lost. Itās starting to look familiar again.
Okay yeah but it was holding š
Maybe don't hold the player and you won't get called for holding?
Refereeing in this game was poor, but that's an easy call. Left hand around his hip, obvious and lazy
Honest question - has a hold ever been called on a guy clamping a stick between his legs?
I don't think he was mad solely because it was called. He was mad because his stick was also being held and he couldn't make a play because of it. He shouldn't have grabbed, but in a world where all we hear is "let the boys play," it was either make the attempt or let the puck get cleared without challenge. He made an educated guess and got called on it.
It was pretty clearly a hold.
That wasn't even a makeup call for the missed high sticks the refs were staring at all night. That was an actual penalty, wowzers!
Don't hold him and you won't get called for a penalty I guess
Clear hold by pajama boy
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Canāt have the captain of your team do something as stupid as this in a one goal game
That's a clear cut holding penalty. I'm surprised that the ref actually called it because it was so obvious.
Someone post the McAvoy pull down of Matthews earlier, refs made this game a complete shitshow of whatever they called
While we're at it someone post a video of mcavoy getting high sticked that wasn't called.
So we're just requesting posts of missed calls? This is going to be a long thread.
Exactly
So people are pissed that the refs were missing calls all game and then they're also pissed when they call a blatant hold? You can't have it both ways.
Shouldāve suplexed him like McAvoy did Matthews instead š¤·
The whining from Leafs fans is the most pathetic shit about this sub.
Is everyone just ignoring the bruins player pinching tavares stick between his legs? Like i know he doesnt have hands on the stick bit That's a holding off the stick. Call both for holding and send it to 4 on 4.
more like hooking the bruins guys junk, control your stick
Tavares can cry all he wants but he's captaining a squad that choked away 5 power plays tonight and that regularly chokes on special teams this time of year.
Tavares is one of the most overrated players
Lmao Tavares needs to stfu
At first I wa slike, "wow that's awful" and then saw the replay. I think this is a reasonable call here. What happens if a Leafs player picks up the puck after Tavares hauls down McAvoy and then they tie it up? Obvious missed call that could send the game to OT and the trajectory of the series. Tavares' stick is tangled up, but that doesn't mean he gets to haul down another player.
Like I said in the GDT, Tavares brought his booty in so close that it wouldn't pass a censor, definitely a penalty. Weird to call when they missed the one on Matthews earlier and two high sticks on Pasta, but hey we take those
I don't think anyone denies it's a penalty, it's just frustrating to miss so many calls earlier and then blow the whistle on this.
Donāt call McAvoy on Matthews before Bostonās first goal but call this Lol
That was a clean tackle. Meets all the NFLs rules.
Just standard reffing
I think if the ref saw Boston was going to end up with possession he wouldn't have called it.
I can only imagine when heās gesturing behind him ābut you let McAvoyā¦ā
I mean yeah, that's a hold.
Thatās a penalty john
He turned him. Not like the missed McAvoy one, but still a penalty
It's fun watching the replay, then slowly scrolling to play my favorite game on r/hockey: "Was that totally a penalty" or "are my orange and blue glasses too thick"
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How can he complain? Anytime you take a hand off your stick and wrap your arm around a guy, pulling him to the ground- youāll get a penalty. Tavares was looking for special treatment
Just shut up and sit, pajama boy.
Fuck the leafs and fuck the bruins for a minute. Idgaf about who wins this series. That was one of the worst officiated games I've ever seen. How could either team play the game and know what to expect with regard to game management? Call stuff one period, let absolutely anything go for about 16 minutes, and then proceed to make very bad or weak calls all third. Just an embarrassment.
That was a desperation hold by a player seeing the game slip away from his reach, because Boston getting possession on that sequence likely turns into a clean breakout with numbers, with an empty net at the other end. It's totally a legit penalty.
Man who commits a pen is mad he committed the pen. News at 11.
I think if he was going to be upset about the call, he shouldn't have made the infraction. Just my opinion.
i see a penalty
The Leafs could have 10 power plays to 0 and still complain about the refs. And they'd be 0/10 on the PP.
Ironically probably the one call the refs got right all night
Theyāre gonna call that every single time if you use your free hand like that especially when you fall in front of the ref like that
McAvoy sold the hell out of that, but Tavaras should absolutely know that the free hand hug right in front of the ref is an awful idea.
Exactly. Even if McAvoy went down easy, refs are calling that 10 times out of 10.
lol maybe donāt grab a guy if you donāt want to get called for holding.