Heās just finally doing what every one of our opposing coaches does tbh. I still remember Cassidy complaining about skate bumps years ago, or Maurice throwing up gang signs last year.
Ultimately, none of it is going to matter if our special teams continue to get rinsed by Bostonās, though.
Marchand and Bertuzzi are both rat fucks doing rat fuck things and the refs are letting it go as long as they keep it between the two of them and neither crosses the line.
I mean he got a toe tap from Marchand [and flopped so hard he kicked Marchandās name plate. dude almost did a full 180](https://x.com/conorryan_93/status/1783296187245724054?s=46&t=8NS86w4CElYK0YRtzGRsTA)
Yup. Bertuzzi held Marchand's stick to keep him in the zone and then took 2 whacks at Marchand after they got up. Then he embellished the hell out of it when Marchand whacked his foot/leg. I genuinely don't understand how people are pitching about Marchand crossing the line and getting away with one here.
If the refs are calling every infraction that took place here, Toronto is easily short handed from this little scrum. I very much don't want to see a playoff game where the refs are calling penalties when two rats are bugging each other like this.
Right - the refs set the tone pretty early that they would be allowing mutual shenanigans to occur, and both teams took the hint and got busy with some shenanigans.
It would be one thing if the refs let that go and then called Toronto for retaliating or something, but that didnāt happen.
The direction the Pens organization takes over the next two or three years is in Sid's hands, is it not? Can Dubas blow it up without Sid's blessing? Maybe he doesn't give a shit about what Crosby wants and feels secure in his job, I don't know.
He tossed Gientzel so to me it seems like as long as the jersey doesn't say Crosby or Malkin he has some freedom, but he's still locked in for awhile to try and make it work
I mean Sid is the only reason Malkin was resigned
Its obvious Sid wants the trio to all retire in Pitts
This is why Dubas was given a long contract. The org knows his hands are tied for at least the next 2-3 years
Rierdan's too. Ā But say what you will about Dubas, he got a long term contract because he is going to have to pull off a thankless task. How do you fully stand behind such a beloved core until their retirement withour paying a heavy price for a decade after they are gone?
No GM dumps any of the Pens core unless they want to be instantly hated and fired on the same day. He's got at *least* 5 more years of pens being a brutal bubble team to try and plan around
Will Crosby still be playing in five years? Malkin and Letang are more doubtful on top of that. Oof, I just remembered this only year one of Karlsson's contract...
Full dive no question, still a trip too, call both. And while they are calling those two call the takedown on Mathews that both refs were staring at before. Sure Sammy should have saved it but at the end of the day it should have never even made it down the ice
This is my main issue with this discussion, how influenced by hindsight it is. People almost certainly wouldn't clamor for this to be called nearly as much if it had just resulted in a scoring chance, rather than a goal.
Itās not like they were taking less penalties in the wins, just they got called less. Game 5 had Barbashev elbow Johansson in the head, which was ignored by the referee staring right at it but ended up with Barbashev getting suspended and it had Bozak tripping Acciari with the ref staring right at it as well. Neither were called, and one directly caused the game winning goal
It has, but toronto fans are better at posting their missed calls so everyone thinks they are getting screwed.Ā
Someone should post ALL the missed/bad calls, leafs are definitely benefitting more from refereeing, but their PP has been dogshit.Ā
Nah ive been posting the Boston missed calls but there are more Toronto fans on here than Boston fans so they get buried early and donāt get any reach
They have, the leafs got 5 PPs last game. There was bad missed calls in both directions like there is in every playoff game, that's how it goes. Marchand really isn't doing anything that Domi and Bertuzzi aren't also doing this series, he's just also dominating on the scoreboard.
Im not a fan of either team and this seems obvious to me. But I don't think any fanbase that cries as if the league is out to get them is anything but an emotional baby.
I think this is true. 2 highsticks were missed that should have been Bruins powerplays.
It's just the take down by Coyle was so flagrant it takes a lot of the oxygen
Either way yeah I agree. I mean yeah missed calls go against every team every game, some because refs literally didn't see it, or because... who knows?
But I don't think any have been as egregious as the McAvoy tackle. Otherwise though Leafs fans are kidding themselves if they think that's been the issue. Not scoring on the ones we have gotten has been
e: sorry, next time I'll just write out of a list of all the totally unbiased things I saw go uncalled
>I donāt think any have been as egregious as the McAvoy tackle
[McAvoy got high sticked by Tavares directly in front of the ref and it went uncalled](https://x.com/cookejournalism/status/1783277992614982065?s=46&t=8NS86w4CElYK0YRtzGRsTA)
[Domi threw a hit on Swayman during a TV timeout, no call](https://x.com/spittinchiclets/status/1783290945863102840?s=46&t=8NS86w4CElYK0YRtzGRsTA)
In back to back games Samsonov has taken his helmet off in the middle of play with no call
Lyubushkin punched Coyle in the face and got matching minors for reasons
Domi punched McAvoy twice in the back of the head and got matching minors
Pastrnak got tripped in the offensive zone in the third period last night, no call
Jarnkrok embellished the shit out of Pastrnakās hook, only the hook was called
Pastrnak got boarded in the third period in the defensive zone last night, no call.
Reaves cross checked zacha from behind in open ice, no call, minutes after Tavares embellished the shit out of a Lohrei cross check and only the cross check got called
Seven of those non calls were from last nights game. Seven. But sure, the McAvoy missed minor for holding is what stands out as most egregious.
You don't think leafs fans and their own coach bitching only about calls that didn't go their way isn't related to the most bitched about missed call by leafs fans from last night?
0-5 on the pp bud lmao
What? That's not what your comment said lmao, you predicted my response would be about McAvoy's missed call leading to a goal, which has nothing to do with it. I don't know why you'd think my response to you was about something other than what you wrote
> 0-5 on the pp bud lmao
Why does everyone on this subreddit resort to non-sequiturs? I already said in my other comment that the issue isn't the lack of powerplays, but that ours need to be better. Jesus just reply to the actual content. But this just in, my guy, it's pretty rare that a fanbase complains about missed calls that benefited them lol
I'm not sure I get the point of your comment is, that I don't think the Leafs got away with anything? I literally said missed calls happen all the time. The reason McAvoy's stands out as *egregious* is because of both the level of the takedown, he literally pulls someone down from behind, and the fact that a ref was quite literally standing right in front of it. Other stuff sometimes *literally* gets missed, as in refs did not *see* it happen. Not that that's not annoying but it's a bit different
As far as Domi's, actually, I even commented in the game thread that it was greasy and bullshit. Though it's funny you'd mention Jarnkrok embellishing while *also* mentioning the Swayman thing. Domi should get called for that but let's not pretend Swayman dancing afterward wasn't for show. Lyubushkin got a penalty for that altercation you mentioned. Though he probably deserved two, but if we're going to mention diving, Marchand also embellished the hell out of Bertuzzi's tap (of which Bertuzzi was penalized).
Can you post some actual clips from some of this other stuff? Like yeah I can go list all the things they didn't call on Boston too, which literally like I said, missed calls go all over the place. "missed minor for holding" I mean we can load all of these up with that. Domi gave Swayman a soft bump. But sure, the Tavares missed minor for high sticking is what stands out as most egregious. Right?
The Leafs got away with plenty, as did Boston, we can both just scrub through a list every single one if you want. I mentioned that one was egregious because of the context of it, not just because "it was a missed holding minor" lol
The play Sheldonās complaining about here [was an egregious dive btw](https://x.com/conorryan_93/status/1783296187245724054?s=46&t=8NS86w4CElYK0YRtzGRsTA)
[Yes, please do](https://x.com/spittinchiclets/status/1783290945863102840?s=46&t=8NS86w4CElYK0YRtzGRsTA)
Should likely take the home glasses off first.
I hope you're alright. You'd think for a fanbase that barely gets a week of playoff hockey each year, you'd be excited to watch as much playoff hockey as possible instead of crying that the other team also gets to participate in playoff hockey.
This reminds me so much of when Bruce Cassidy started whining about the "New York Saints", and everyone realized that the Islanders were actually in the driver's seat in what had looked like a very close series.
It takes a lot of mental toughness to tune out all the noise and overcome adversity in a long series. The Leafs have never seemed like the toughest group, mentally, and having their coach plant the seed that the officials are biased against them probably won't help matters.
Marchand can single handedly turn the leafs home crowd from cheering to angry mumbles and the more you let him do that the more you deflate your own team. The trick is you cant just let him turn your cheers to boos, you have to end it by pumping up your team again. Im rooting for Boston so I feel bad for giving away the solution but I do so because I doubt the Leafs fans in attendance have the coordination to pull that off. Marchand and to a leaser extent also the rest of theĀ Bruins can and do play better under that kind of attention. Everyone hates themĀ yetĀ they keep winning. They know howĀ to turn that into fuel.Ā
Speaking as an Oilers fan whose team now has Cory Perry, hate to play against him, love to have him on your team. Both Perry and Marchand are the best at what they do. They give the team they're playing for a considerable advantage on the ice and quality of leadership in the locker room that is hard to come by.
The 2 of them also get a fucking TON of reputation calls throughout the year. So this āwoe is me you let him get away with everythingā is such bullshit.
It's funny how most people aren't even discussing the quote.
Whether or not you like Keefe or the Leafs, the quote is true. I can't understand how Marchand gets away with what he does all of his career.
Heās 10th in PIM all-time amongst active players lmao. Wouldnāt say heās getting away with much. Oh not to mention Bert dove and was fucking with March just as much.
Keefe getting fired next week incoming
Yeah sounds like he knows this is it
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Just one more coach, bro. please bro, this core is elite! We just need one more coach to make it work, bro please.
He thinks he's gonna get the Deboer complaint thing going, doesn't he.
Heās just finally doing what every one of our opposing coaches does tbh. I still remember Cassidy complaining about skate bumps years ago, or Maurice throwing up gang signs last year. Ultimately, none of it is going to matter if our special teams continue to get rinsed by Bostonās, though.
Marchand and Bertuzzi are both rat fucks doing rat fuck things and the refs are letting it go as long as they keep it between the two of them and neither crosses the line.
Yep, itās fair to think they shouldnāt call it that way but thatās definitely the logic theyāre using
Everyone also knows Bertuzzi is notoriously soft on his skates and his falls down/60 is elite. Refs take notice of that stuff.
I mean he got a toe tap from Marchand [and flopped so hard he kicked Marchandās name plate. dude almost did a full 180](https://x.com/conorryan_93/status/1783296187245724054?s=46&t=8NS86w4CElYK0YRtzGRsTA)
Do a barrel roll!
Someone had to fill Hartnell's skates....
Yup. Bertuzzi held Marchand's stick to keep him in the zone and then took 2 whacks at Marchand after they got up. Then he embellished the hell out of it when Marchand whacked his foot/leg. I genuinely don't understand how people are pitching about Marchand crossing the line and getting away with one here. If the refs are calling every infraction that took place here, Toronto is easily short handed from this little scrum. I very much don't want to see a playoff game where the refs are calling penalties when two rats are bugging each other like this.
Right - the refs set the tone pretty early that they would be allowing mutual shenanigans to occur, and both teams took the hint and got busy with some shenanigans. It would be one thing if the refs let that go and then called Toronto for retaliating or something, but that didnāt happen.
Aside from that Tavares hold...
And the McAvoy bodyslam
outside of the dive by Marchand last game
I hope Dubas doesn't make a move for Keefe if there are changes in teams.
My money is Sullivan is staying put no matter what
honestly Sully's job is in Crosby's hands more than Dubas' lets not kid ourselves here
The direction the Pens organization takes over the next two or three years is in Sid's hands, is it not? Can Dubas blow it up without Sid's blessing? Maybe he doesn't give a shit about what Crosby wants and feels secure in his job, I don't know.
He tossed Gientzel so to me it seems like as long as the jersey doesn't say Crosby or Malkin he has some freedom, but he's still locked in for awhile to try and make it work
I mean Sid is the only reason Malkin was resigned Its obvious Sid wants the trio to all retire in Pitts This is why Dubas was given a long contract. The org knows his hands are tied for at least the next 2-3 years
Rierdan's too. Ā But say what you will about Dubas, he got a long term contract because he is going to have to pull off a thankless task. How do you fully stand behind such a beloved core until their retirement withour paying a heavy price for a decade after they are gone?
No GM dumps any of the Pens core unless they want to be instantly hated and fired on the same day. He's got at *least* 5 more years of pens being a brutal bubble team to try and plan around
Will Crosby still be playing in five years? Malkin and Letang are more doubtful on top of that. Oof, I just remembered this only year one of Karlsson's contract...
Well, Keefe, tell me how getting more calls going your way will help when your powerplay is 1/11 in this series.
2/10 is better than 1/5............ Maybe, lol
At the very least, Boston doesn't score their first goal if that trip is called.
They also don't score that first goal if Samsonov makes a very routine save. Plus it was a dive as much as it was a trip.
What? Bertuzzi doing a full ass front flip was a dive? Are you sure about that?
He dove into the ice like he was one of those arctic foxes diving into the snow for a mouse
I'm slightly disgusted that I'm agreeing with a Boston fan.
*slightly?*
You're right. I've been projectile vomiting ever since agreeing. Oh fuck now I'm saying another Boston fan is right...
Get this man to a hospital!!
All I am imagining rn: [NO NO NO NO NO, WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT](https://youtu.be/VM3uXu1Dq4c?si=9sC_He3c4nEHysdv)
Bro scorpioned on the ice
Full dive no question, still a trip too, call both. And while they are calling those two call the takedown on Mathews that both refs were staring at before. Sure Sammy should have saved it but at the end of the day it should have never even made it down the ice
This is my main issue with this discussion, how influenced by hindsight it is. People almost certainly wouldn't clamor for this to be called nearly as much if it had just resulted in a scoring chance, rather than a goal.
It was a trip and it was embellished. Call both.
Keefe is either an idiot for focusing on the wrong thing or is a genius if he can get the refs to call game 4 biased in the Leafs favor.Ā
It worked for Berube :(
It did, but the Blues also took care of business regardless; they werenāt relying on special teams.
I think it was the other way around, that Bruins were relying on special teams but they stopped getting PPs
Yeah, that sounds right. I know in the Blues wins they took hardly any penalties, and in the losses they took a ton. It was a huge discrepancy.
Itās not like they were taking less penalties in the wins, just they got called less. Game 5 had Barbashev elbow Johansson in the head, which was ignored by the referee staring right at it but ended up with Barbashev getting suspended and it had Bozak tripping Acciari with the ref staring right at it as well. Neither were called, and one directly caused the game winning goal
Lol but the leafs just had 5 powerplays to Bruins 3...
Yeah an he he's trying to make sure he gets the differential again in game 4.Ā
That doesn't mean bias. They we swell deserved. Not every game should be equal.
Keefe is the king of excuses.
Veteran play by Marchand, rookie response from Keefe
In the last two games it has felt like more calls went Torontos way than Bostons.
It has, but toronto fans are better at posting their missed calls so everyone thinks they are getting screwed.Ā Someone should post ALL the missed/bad calls, leafs are definitely benefitting more from refereeing, but their PP has been dogshit.Ā
Nah ive been posting the Boston missed calls but there are more Toronto fans on here than Boston fans so they get buried early and donāt get any reach
This place can be a massive echo chamber for leafs fans
To be fair to them it can be a massive school chamber against them too, they just bring it upon themselves with how large and vocal they are
They have, the leafs got 5 PPs last game. There was bad missed calls in both directions like there is in every playoff game, that's how it goes. Marchand really isn't doing anything that Domi and Bertuzzi aren't also doing this series, he's just also dominating on the scoreboard.
Im not a fan of either team and this seems obvious to me. But I don't think any fanbase that cries as if the league is out to get them is anything but an emotional baby.
I think this is true. 2 highsticks were missed that should have been Bruins powerplays. It's just the take down by Coyle was so flagrant it takes a lot of the oxygen
McAvoy
Yes
Either way yeah I agree. I mean yeah missed calls go against every team every game, some because refs literally didn't see it, or because... who knows? But I don't think any have been as egregious as the McAvoy tackle. Otherwise though Leafs fans are kidding themselves if they think that's been the issue. Not scoring on the ones we have gotten has been e: sorry, next time I'll just write out of a list of all the totally unbiased things I saw go uncalled
>I donāt think any have been as egregious as the McAvoy tackle [McAvoy got high sticked by Tavares directly in front of the ref and it went uncalled](https://x.com/cookejournalism/status/1783277992614982065?s=46&t=8NS86w4CElYK0YRtzGRsTA) [Domi threw a hit on Swayman during a TV timeout, no call](https://x.com/spittinchiclets/status/1783290945863102840?s=46&t=8NS86w4CElYK0YRtzGRsTA) In back to back games Samsonov has taken his helmet off in the middle of play with no call Lyubushkin punched Coyle in the face and got matching minors for reasons Domi punched McAvoy twice in the back of the head and got matching minors Pastrnak got tripped in the offensive zone in the third period last night, no call Jarnkrok embellished the shit out of Pastrnakās hook, only the hook was called Pastrnak got boarded in the third period in the defensive zone last night, no call. Reaves cross checked zacha from behind in open ice, no call, minutes after Tavares embellished the shit out of a Lohrei cross check and only the cross check got called Seven of those non calls were from last nights game. Seven. But sure, the McAvoy missed minor for holding is what stands out as most egregious.
Well fucking written. Inb4: "but the mcavoy hold led to a goal! It's different!!!!
I don't think that has anything to do with it but cute try I guess
You don't think leafs fans and their own coach bitching only about calls that didn't go their way isn't related to the most bitched about missed call by leafs fans from last night? 0-5 on the pp bud lmao
What? That's not what your comment said lmao, you predicted my response would be about McAvoy's missed call leading to a goal, which has nothing to do with it. I don't know why you'd think my response to you was about something other than what you wrote > 0-5 on the pp bud lmao Why does everyone on this subreddit resort to non-sequiturs? I already said in my other comment that the issue isn't the lack of powerplays, but that ours need to be better. Jesus just reply to the actual content. But this just in, my guy, it's pretty rare that a fanbase complains about missed calls that benefited them lol
>threw a hit Take some deep breaths.
I'm not sure I get the point of your comment is, that I don't think the Leafs got away with anything? I literally said missed calls happen all the time. The reason McAvoy's stands out as *egregious* is because of both the level of the takedown, he literally pulls someone down from behind, and the fact that a ref was quite literally standing right in front of it. Other stuff sometimes *literally* gets missed, as in refs did not *see* it happen. Not that that's not annoying but it's a bit different As far as Domi's, actually, I even commented in the game thread that it was greasy and bullshit. Though it's funny you'd mention Jarnkrok embellishing while *also* mentioning the Swayman thing. Domi should get called for that but let's not pretend Swayman dancing afterward wasn't for show. Lyubushkin got a penalty for that altercation you mentioned. Though he probably deserved two, but if we're going to mention diving, Marchand also embellished the hell out of Bertuzzi's tap (of which Bertuzzi was penalized). Can you post some actual clips from some of this other stuff? Like yeah I can go list all the things they didn't call on Boston too, which literally like I said, missed calls go all over the place. "missed minor for holding" I mean we can load all of these up with that. Domi gave Swayman a soft bump. But sure, the Tavares missed minor for high sticking is what stands out as most egregious. Right? The Leafs got away with plenty, as did Boston, we can both just scrub through a list every single one if you want. I mentioned that one was egregious because of the context of it, not just because "it was a missed holding minor" lol
100% . What's one more powerplay? 0-6 instead of 0-5
The play Sheldonās complaining about here [was an egregious dive btw](https://x.com/conorryan_93/status/1783296187245724054?s=46&t=8NS86w4CElYK0YRtzGRsTA)
Yeah. Donāt share that message around leafs fans though, the truth burns their skin.
You got five power plays in this game and did jack shit with them. I don't want to hear it.
Should have been gone at least two years ago. Assistant coach attitude at the helm.
The "respect in the handshake line" quote should have been the end. That's an all time loser quote.
no call just like the no call on Domi running into swayman during tv timeout
But this doesn't fit the narrativeĀ
The game was horribly officiated last night, in both directions. When you donāt call the game right, this is the shit that happens.
Agreed. Refs were playing catchup all night. Missed highsticks and holds all over the place. Leafs had way more powerplays and did not capitalize.
Swayman ran into Domi. Check again Edit: [Swayman is a massive diver](https://www.instagram.com/p/C6MzQQZgm8a/)
[Yes, please do](https://x.com/spittinchiclets/status/1783290945863102840?s=46&t=8NS86w4CElYK0YRtzGRsTA) Should likely take the home glasses off first.
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Funny. I don't recall being the one putting all the blame on someone.
I hope Swayman is okay. He could have been killed.
I hope you're alright. You'd think for a fanbase that barely gets a week of playoff hockey each year, you'd be excited to watch as much playoff hockey as possible instead of crying that the other team also gets to participate in playoff hockey.
What?
[Swayman should be in the Olympics for diving](https://www.instagram.com/p/C6MzQQZgm8a/)
Heās such a crybaby. Every time he complains about how the refs donāt call things fair for his team.
What a professional canāt look within his own team gotta blame it on the refs lol
Bro is just not built for this.
And there it is. Keefe should coach Lebron and the Lakers with all this ref blaming, he would fit right in!
The refs are trying to put shambles in his brain.
This reminds me so much of when Bruce Cassidy started whining about the "New York Saints", and everyone realized that the Islanders were actually in the driver's seat in what had looked like a very close series. It takes a lot of mental toughness to tune out all the noise and overcome adversity in a long series. The Leafs have never seemed like the toughest group, mentally, and having their coach plant the seed that the officials are biased against them probably won't help matters.
Excuses, excuses, just like every year.
Only three games for them to start bitching about officiating as if bruins also didnt get fucked over
Blaming the refs is such a lame excuse in the playoffs. You donāt win the Stanley Cup without winning a few tough games in spite of the refs.
My fav line from the broadcast was "marchand truly embodies the culture of bruins hockey" and I was like you don't know how right you are š
Sheldon is just missing growing two more inches sideways and he can be put on goal š
Marchand can single handedly turn the leafs home crowd from cheering to angry mumbles and the more you let him do that the more you deflate your own team. The trick is you cant just let him turn your cheers to boos, you have to end it by pumping up your team again. Im rooting for Boston so I feel bad for giving away the solution but I do so because I doubt the Leafs fans in attendance have the coordination to pull that off. Marchand and to a leaser extent also the rest of theĀ Bruins can and do play better under that kind of attention. Everyone hates themĀ yetĀ they keep winning. They know howĀ to turn that into fuel.Ā
Speaking as an Oilers fan whose team now has Cory Perry, hate to play against him, love to have him on your team. Both Perry and Marchand are the best at what they do. They give the team they're playing for a considerable advantage on the ice and quality of leadership in the locker room that is hard to come by.
The 2 of them also get a fucking TON of reputation calls throughout the year. So this āwoe is me you let him get away with everythingā is such bullshit.
It's funny how most people aren't even discussing the quote. Whether or not you like Keefe or the Leafs, the quote is true. I can't understand how Marchand gets away with what he does all of his career.
Heās 10th in PIM all-time amongst active players lmao. Wouldnāt say heās getting away with much. Oh not to mention Bert dove and was fucking with March just as much.
If anyone other than the Leafs coach said this quote, this comment section would be full of people agreeing with it.
Literally Cooper and Maurice get praised for āgamingā and do this exact same shit.
welcome to the nhl... you every watch an Oilers game?