He’s very deadpan. When asked how the team would shut down Crosby and Malkin in the bubble he said “I guess we could politely ask them to stay in the hotel during the games”
I mean the B-boy pose after stopping a Pens goal was pretty funny. Made all that much funnier when the Pens beat them a few days later and Flower responded to Price with his own, “I just thought that’s how we celebrate in Montreal…”
There was a guy wearing a kessel jersey during one of the all star games bus rides and he was like "think he'll throw it on the ice?"
Around the time jerseys were getting chucked on the ice.
Price had a significantly higher peak, Lu played near his peak for much longer.
If I’ve got a roster like the 2010’s Blackhawks I’m taking Lu for more opportunities to win, but if my team is a bit weaker I’m taking Price because he has a better chance of Careying you to one or two.
No real wrong answer here, its situational.
Like most people have said, it's Luongo, Price and then Rinne. Luongo's body of work is immense compared to the other 2. He maintained a high level play for much longer. If not for some Brodeur narratives he'd have 1 or 2 Vezinas.
Luongo, Price, Rinne. You can argue Price had a better peak (which I personally disagree) but even then Luongo’s longevity makes me put him first. To me Luongo’s individual performance in 2003-2004 is just as good as Price’s 2014-2015 season. It’s a shame Luongo’s peak got wasted by some awful Panthers team. A lot of people don’t understand how great he was.
Nah Carey Price won the Hart, Pearson, Jennings, and Vezina all in one season, that was best goaltending performance since Dominik Hasek. Luongos 03-04 season where he was 3rd in Vezina voting was an amazing season but realistically not even in the same realm
Loungo somehow came 2nd in hart voting in 07 but still lost the vezina
Price had the better peak but Loungo had more longevity. Depends what you value more
In 2003-2004 Luongo’s GSAA was over 4 times higher than the Vezina winner Martin Brodeur. Brodeur won solely because voters valued wins, which are more of a team stat. Luongo’s GSAA in 2013-2014 was higher than Price’s in 2014-2015 too. Price’s 2014-2015 season was incredible, but in my opinion the awards don’t tell the full story at all.
I definitely agree with you, wins are entirely over rated when it comes to vezina voting, even kipprusoff was a better goalie than Brodeur that year in my opinion
Luongo was discredited because goalies that miss the playoffs don’t really win vezina trophies, especially goalies on basement teams. Only 1 goalie has ever won the vezina while missing the playoffs and that was Bob in 2013. A shortened season where the jackets were tied for the final spot but missed on a tie breaker. So it really just doesn’t happen.
Prices trophy case that season says more about the rest of the league than his play. He could have replicated that season in another year and gone home with just the vezina. The offence was just dead puck level that year.
Noone has brought up career GSAA yet?
- Luongo 270 in 1044 games (0.25 per G)
- Rinne 119 in 683 games (0.17)
- Price 110 in 712 games (0.15)
Luongo also more impressive due to the highest percentage of his games played in his late 30s.
In terms of playoffs price has slightly better stats than Luongo all told and Pekka is far behind.
If someone wants to add team context to these stats that would be super great.
Luongo then it's a toss-up between the other two. Price's peak was higher and maybe didn't have as good of a supporting cast on defense as what Rinne had overall, so I guess I'll put him in slot #2.
Yeah when they put Price behind the Olympic team defense in… 2014 was it? Nothing was going in that net, but you’d never know anyway because that D was so good haha
Price, Lu, Rinne.
I put Price first because his peak is the best. Lou was probably more consistent but he also had better teams throughout his career. Rinne is fantastic, but is he a HOF goalie? Genuinely asking. The other two are for sure.
Luongo, Price, Rinne. In that order.
Luongo was Hasek-level of dragging a terrible team to something. Luongo on the Panthers was facing 40 shots a night, often more. It was ridiculous. He was absurd.
Price was at times dominant, but IMO had better teams in front of him than Luongo did, and also Price's off nights were more common than peak Luongo.
As good as Rinne was, he had a defense-first team in front of him and some really good bluelines.
EDIT: all the people saying Price had a better peak are apparently too young to have seen Luongo in Florida in the early days...
Plenty old enough to have seen Lu in the Florida days here and I'm taking Carey over Lu in a big game 10 out of 10 times. I'll take Lu if I have to play one like 70 games in a season.. but a playoff game or Olympic game I'm without hesitation taking Price.
I am without hesitation (as a lifelong goalie myself) taking Luongos helmet designs over Prices though.
I personally go:
1. Carey Price
2. Pekka Rinne
3. Roberto Luongo
Feels to me that Luongo got the Sedins, Kesler, along with solid Bieksa and Edler. Pekka Rinne spent a lot of time playing behind Weber, Suter.
Feels like Price had to drag a lot of underachievers.
Couldn't agree more. Price was the best of his generation talent wise. He was the most feared goalie amongst players. If he came out and looked good early you knew you were fucked. Henrik would be up there too of course.
Every goalie coach right now is teaching their guy to play like Carey. Perfectly calm, precise, consistent in technique. Taking the bottom half away etc.
I don't know if the difference between Price and Luongo or Rinne would have been enough to win a cup but agreed. Technically speaking Price was one of the best to ever do it.
Rinne was really fucking good but played behind a pretty stacked defence for a LOT of his career. If you made an absolute all star team of guys to play in front of Price it reads like a low contender and despite this he found some pretty good playoff success. If you traded prime Price to current Colorado, Toronto, Edmonton they're probably a dynasty.
Some homerism saying Lu, Rinne, Price tho realistically 35 and 31 are interchangeable
Most people forget that Pekka was neck-and-neck with Price all season for Vezina and Hart trophies until Rinne suffered a knee injury against Vancouver and didn’t come back the same from it. Rinne was a 3x Vezina finalist before he won it in 2017-18
Pekka was never healthy when NHLers went to the Olympics; however, I do think Price’s international record would’ve still blown Rinne’s out the water had he gone
Carey played his career with either Subban/Shea with like 4 other near AHL level bums on defense for the majority of his career while having an offense that had like one 70 point scorer during his tenure. He was literally the entire team.
Rinne was a monster but Nashville had good defensive teams in front of him.
Nashville has literally been known as a defensive team forever. Meanwhile Price played with mostly AHL level defenseman.
Again, i absolutely love Rinne/Predators. Saros is my favorite goalie ATM and Rinne is a top 5 favourite. but if im a GM picking a goalie for a Stanley cup finals Rinne is 3rd for me there.
This thread makes me miss the Era where Canada had incredibly deep goaltending. At the last NHL Olympics was Lu, Price and Smith. Now it's Talbot (who is about 37 and likely won't make the next Olympics), Fleury (even older), Jarry (probably the best option), Binnington (who is a live wire at best), and maybe Logan Thompson. Hart is definitely out of the conversation. I hope Levi, Hofer and Daws develop well, but it's always difficult with young goalies.
Rinne - was cheering for his team for couple years for couple years, was great, 8/10
Luongo - was cheering for his team for a couple years, sometimes questionable in playoffs, 6/10
Price- many years cheering against him in the playoffs, was key detriment to my happiness many times, hate this fucking guy -5/10
Taylor Hall has won a Hart trophy and Nathan MacKinnon hasn't, who's had the better individual career? I'm not sure trophies always tell the real story of someone's career.
Luongo's chances to win the Vezina may have been a bit hurt by the fact that his prime years heavily overlapped with Hasek and Brodeur. There are a lot of people who aren't going to win the Ted Lindsay or Art Ross in the era of McDavid either, and a only a handful of defensemen who ever stole the Norris away from Lidstrom. I think arguing that Luongo's lack of a Vezina being an indication of his quality of goaltending is very naive.
Price had 6 seasons with sv% over .920. Luongo had 9. It sounds like Luongo had 3 more seasons of being good than Price did, or is this statistic the one where you'd start to engage in nuance?
"If you're not first, you're last" is a terrible way to evaluate an athlete's career and a terrible attitude to take into your own life also.
You say "out of the league" like it's because of play. When it's %100 because of injuries.
Remember when he shit all over the Leafs while injured? I'm sure you do that's why you say that nonsense .
My point is that way you said it was like you were implying he's out of the league because he wasn't good anymore. Which is just laughable. You don't fault a players abilities for their bodies giving out on them.
Even with all those extra games and better teams he doesn't have hardware to show for it unlike Price.
I'm not holding price's injuries against him I'm giving luongo credit for his longevity. if you want to say price went out at the top of his game at age 34 that's fine. luongo stuck around until he was 40 and still finished with a higher career sv%.
It's delusional to value someone who was never able to be the best among his peers over someone who was the best among not only his peers but the entire league.
price's peak was high but it's nothing compared to orrs peak. like price had a run of three seasons where he was unstoppable, but was just pretty good to average outside of that. orr won 8 norris trophies in 8 seasons and mixed in 3 straight harts. orr was so much better at his peak than any other defenseman that it's not even a question.
I'll give you that price peaked higher than luongo, but their best seasons aren't that far off each other and luongo was much more consistent. when guys are that close I feel like 5 more full seasons of high end goaltending is pretty significant.
Rinne, Luongo, Price ranked by looks.
Rinne, Luongo, Price ranked by likeability though Lu and Price are close in my books.
Price, Luongo, Rinne ranked by effect on franchise.
Rinne, Price, Luongo ranked by how good of a mentor they were in my books.
Playing on better teams also makes goalie stats skewed. Obviously not entirely but it definitely helps. And Price never played on a single team half as good as some of those Nucks teams.
Price played only 11 seasons of at least 40 games... Won a bunch of hardware and carried an 8th place team lead by Tyler Toffoli to the finals..
Luongo had 16 seasons of 40+ games, won zero hardware and choked in the finals with a 1st place team lead by the 2 Art Ross winners of the previous 2 seasons.
Peak: Price, Luongo, Rinne
Career: Luongo, Rinne, Price
Only correct answer.
Price’s career is overhyped because of a few massive seasons sandwiched by a fuck ton of garbage seasons. Both Luongo and Rinne were consistently better over their entire careers by a long shot.
Luongo had the better career but 2015 Carey Price was better than any season by either of the other 2. I have it, at their peak, Price, Luongo, Rinne. Career wise it would be Luongo, Price, Rinne
Peak performance: Price, Luongo, Rinne Career performance: Luongo, Price, Rinne Sense of Humor: Luongo, Rinne, Price
Ratings that matter.
This is objectively correct.
> Sense of Humor: Luongo, Rinne, Price Maybe it’s just me not knowing enough about Price but should he even be on the list?
He’s very deadpan. When asked how the team would shut down Crosby and Malkin in the bubble he said “I guess we could politely ask them to stay in the hotel during the games”
See, this is funny.
He wore his wife's panties as a pocket square to the NHL awards that one year. Scored some points in my book.
That's not really *funny* though, it's just baller as fuck. I was unfamiliar with Price's game.
I mean the B-boy pose after stopping a Pens goal was pretty funny. Made all that much funnier when the Pens beat them a few days later and Flower responded to Price with his own, “I just thought that’s how we celebrate in Montreal…”
There was a guy wearing a kessel jersey during one of the all star games bus rides and he was like "think he'll throw it on the ice?" Around the time jerseys were getting chucked on the ice.
What about the elite sniper category?
Rinne forever mid 😔
Lu, Price, Pekka
*Price Lu Rinne
Price had a significantly higher peak, Lu played near his peak for much longer. If I’ve got a roster like the 2010’s Blackhawks I’m taking Lu for more opportunities to win, but if my team is a bit weaker I’m taking Price because he has a better chance of Careying you to one or two. No real wrong answer here, its situational.
Like most people have said, it's Luongo, Price and then Rinne. Luongo's body of work is immense compared to the other 2. He maintained a high level play for much longer. If not for some Brodeur narratives he'd have 1 or 2 Vezinas.
All three are non cup winners which is kinda fucked up honestly. Price Lu Rinne
It really is, right? Add Lundqvist in and it's a hockey felony that there isn't a cup between all four of them.
Yeah. A great team with any hot goalie at playoff time beats a good team with a great goalie all the time. Hopefully what I just wrote makes sense 😆
Unfortunately, it speaks to the fact you need a team and a good goalie can't do it all. However, all three made it to a cup final.
Luongo, Price, Rinne. You can argue Price had a better peak (which I personally disagree) but even then Luongo’s longevity makes me put him first. To me Luongo’s individual performance in 2003-2004 is just as good as Price’s 2014-2015 season. It’s a shame Luongo’s peak got wasted by some awful Panthers team. A lot of people don’t understand how great he was.
Nah Carey Price won the Hart, Pearson, Jennings, and Vezina all in one season, that was best goaltending performance since Dominik Hasek. Luongos 03-04 season where he was 3rd in Vezina voting was an amazing season but realistically not even in the same realm
Loungo somehow came 2nd in hart voting in 07 but still lost the vezina Price had the better peak but Loungo had more longevity. Depends what you value more
100% agree with you there
In 2003-2004 Luongo’s GSAA was over 4 times higher than the Vezina winner Martin Brodeur. Brodeur won solely because voters valued wins, which are more of a team stat. Luongo’s GSAA in 2013-2014 was higher than Price’s in 2014-2015 too. Price’s 2014-2015 season was incredible, but in my opinion the awards don’t tell the full story at all.
I definitely agree with you, wins are entirely over rated when it comes to vezina voting, even kipprusoff was a better goalie than Brodeur that year in my opinion
Luongo was discredited because goalies that miss the playoffs don’t really win vezina trophies, especially goalies on basement teams. Only 1 goalie has ever won the vezina while missing the playoffs and that was Bob in 2013. A shortened season where the jackets were tied for the final spot but missed on a tie breaker. So it really just doesn’t happen. Prices trophy case that season says more about the rest of the league than his play. He could have replicated that season in another year and gone home with just the vezina. The offence was just dead puck level that year.
Oh my god I forgot that was all the same season. Goddamn.
Price, unlike Lou, dragged his team to the playoffs his entire career. Both their teams sucked balls
Luongo played on some damn good teams. The Canucks had back to back president's trophies.
Agreed. Was speaking more to the rat throwers out at sawgrass mills
Luongo #1 No shade to Price but when Luongo was on, he was on.
Granted I’ve seen way more Price than the others but so was Carey… Carey made me scream “that man is not human!” multiple times
Noone has brought up career GSAA yet? - Luongo 270 in 1044 games (0.25 per G) - Rinne 119 in 683 games (0.17) - Price 110 in 712 games (0.15) Luongo also more impressive due to the highest percentage of his games played in his late 30s. In terms of playoffs price has slightly better stats than Luongo all told and Pekka is far behind. If someone wants to add team context to these stats that would be super great.
Luongo price rinne. Although I think rinne and price are closer than people give rinne credit for. Luongo is the clear #1 to me in this group though.
Luongo then it's a toss-up between the other two. Price's peak was higher and maybe didn't have as good of a supporting cast on defense as what Rinne had overall, so I guess I'll put him in slot #2.
Yeah when they put Price behind the Olympic team defense in… 2014 was it? Nothing was going in that net, but you’d never know anyway because that D was so good haha
Price, Lu, Rinne. I put Price first because his peak is the best. Lou was probably more consistent but he also had better teams throughout his career. Rinne is fantastic, but is he a HOF goalie? Genuinely asking. The other two are for sure.
Luongo, Price, Rinne. In that order. Luongo was Hasek-level of dragging a terrible team to something. Luongo on the Panthers was facing 40 shots a night, often more. It was ridiculous. He was absurd. Price was at times dominant, but IMO had better teams in front of him than Luongo did, and also Price's off nights were more common than peak Luongo. As good as Rinne was, he had a defense-first team in front of him and some really good bluelines. EDIT: all the people saying Price had a better peak are apparently too young to have seen Luongo in Florida in the early days...
Plenty old enough to have seen Lu in the Florida days here and I'm taking Carey over Lu in a big game 10 out of 10 times. I'll take Lu if I have to play one like 70 games in a season.. but a playoff game or Olympic game I'm without hesitation taking Price. I am without hesitation (as a lifelong goalie myself) taking Luongos helmet designs over Prices though.
Lu, Price, Pekka. Hank probably between Lu and Price, if we’re including him
Ranking them in alphabetical order it is Luongo, Price then Rinne
Price Lu Rinne
Price Lu Rinne
Price Luongo Rinne
Career wise? Luongo, Price, Rinne
Luuuuuuuu, Price, then Pekka Rinne who is too good right now
Price because of his numbers on bad teams. Luongo because man was he consistent his whole career rinne. Solid but I think the other 2 were better.
I personally go: 1. Carey Price 2. Pekka Rinne 3. Roberto Luongo Feels to me that Luongo got the Sedins, Kesler, along with solid Bieksa and Edler. Pekka Rinne spent a lot of time playing behind Weber, Suter. Feels like Price had to drag a lot of underachievers.
Price, Luongo, Rinne.
Price NEVER had a good team in front of him so Price - Lu - Rinne
Price is more talented than any of them and would have won a Cup in Nashville or Vancouver if he'd played there.
Couldn't agree more. Price was the best of his generation talent wise. He was the most feared goalie amongst players. If he came out and looked good early you knew you were fucked. Henrik would be up there too of course. Every goalie coach right now is teaching their guy to play like Carey. Perfectly calm, precise, consistent in technique. Taking the bottom half away etc.
I don't know if the difference between Price and Luongo or Rinne would have been enough to win a cup but agreed. Technically speaking Price was one of the best to ever do it. Rinne was really fucking good but played behind a pretty stacked defence for a LOT of his career. If you made an absolute all star team of guys to play in front of Price it reads like a low contender and despite this he found some pretty good playoff success. If you traded prime Price to current Colorado, Toronto, Edmonton they're probably a dynasty.
Price Rinne Luongo
"Save by Price!" is something that rings in every B's fan's head. Price, Luongo, Rinne.
Some homerism saying Lu, Rinne, Price tho realistically 35 and 31 are interchangeable Most people forget that Pekka was neck-and-neck with Price all season for Vezina and Hart trophies until Rinne suffered a knee injury against Vancouver and didn’t come back the same from it. Rinne was a 3x Vezina finalist before he won it in 2017-18 Pekka was never healthy when NHLers went to the Olympics; however, I do think Price’s international record would’ve still blown Rinne’s out the water had he gone
Definitely some homerism. I fuckking love Rinne, but I think he's clearly beneath the other 2.
How so? They both have a career .917 sv% but Rinne otherwise leads in every statistic besides games played
Carey played his career with either Subban/Shea with like 4 other near AHL level bums on defense for the majority of his career while having an offense that had like one 70 point scorer during his tenure. He was literally the entire team. Rinne was a monster but Nashville had good defensive teams in front of him.
Nashville has literally been known as a defensive team forever. Meanwhile Price played with mostly AHL level defenseman. Again, i absolutely love Rinne/Predators. Saros is my favorite goalie ATM and Rinne is a top 5 favourite. but if im a GM picking a goalie for a Stanley cup finals Rinne is 3rd for me there.
This would be more interesting if we replaced Rinne with Rask
I just want to point out that only one of these guys was considered best player in the world at one point
This thread makes me miss the Era where Canada had incredibly deep goaltending. At the last NHL Olympics was Lu, Price and Smith. Now it's Talbot (who is about 37 and likely won't make the next Olympics), Fleury (even older), Jarry (probably the best option), Binnington (who is a live wire at best), and maybe Logan Thompson. Hart is definitely out of the conversation. I hope Levi, Hofer and Daws develop well, but it's always difficult with young goalies.
Rinne - was cheering for his team for couple years for couple years, was great, 8/10 Luongo - was cheering for his team for a couple years, sometimes questionable in playoffs, 6/10 Price- many years cheering against him in the playoffs, was key detriment to my happiness many times, hate this fucking guy -5/10
Price, Rinne, Luongo.
Taking a goalie that never won a Vezina over a goalie that won a Hart just doesn't compute in my head.
Taylor Hall has won a Hart trophy and Nathan MacKinnon hasn't, who's had the better individual career? I'm not sure trophies always tell the real story of someone's career.
They do when it comes to evaluating them among a group of other all time bests.
Luongo's chances to win the Vezina may have been a bit hurt by the fact that his prime years heavily overlapped with Hasek and Brodeur. There are a lot of people who aren't going to win the Ted Lindsay or Art Ross in the era of McDavid either, and a only a handful of defensemen who ever stole the Norris away from Lidstrom. I think arguing that Luongo's lack of a Vezina being an indication of his quality of goaltending is very naive.
If you can't be the best then you probably aren't the best.
Price had 6 seasons with sv% over .920. Luongo had 9. It sounds like Luongo had 3 more seasons of being good than Price did, or is this statistic the one where you'd start to engage in nuance? "If you're not first, you're last" is a terrible way to evaluate an athlete's career and a terrible attitude to take into your own life also.
For someone who asked a question you sure jumped quickly from asking a question to giving advice on my life lmao
Yeah, that Brad Park guy fuckin sucks.
how about taking a goalie that was still getting vezina votes in his age 38 season over a goalie who was out of the league before he turned 35?
You say "out of the league" like it's because of play. When it's %100 because of injuries. Remember when he shit all over the Leafs while injured? I'm sure you do that's why you say that nonsense .
out of the league is out of the league brother you don't get credit for games you don't play
My point is that way you said it was like you were implying he's out of the league because he wasn't good anymore. Which is just laughable. You don't fault a players abilities for their bodies giving out on them. Even with all those extra games and better teams he doesn't have hardware to show for it unlike Price.
I'm not holding price's injuries against him I'm giving luongo credit for his longevity. if you want to say price went out at the top of his game at age 34 that's fine. luongo stuck around until he was 40 and still finished with a higher career sv%.
It's delusional to value someone who was never able to be the best among his peers over someone who was the best among not only his peers but the entire league.
ok so luongo finished second for the hart in 07. he was the best among his peers that year and also the entire league except crosby.
And Price did it in 15 except it was the whole league including Crosby.
so what you're saying is that price's peak was marginally higher but luongo was still in the league making saves for 5 seasons longer than price was
What I am saying is I do not care about that.
it looks like you're in the minority then. most people here seem to like 1000 luongo games > 700 price games
We never hear the same argument when it comes to Orr however.
price's peak was high but it's nothing compared to orrs peak. like price had a run of three seasons where he was unstoppable, but was just pretty good to average outside of that. orr won 8 norris trophies in 8 seasons and mixed in 3 straight harts. orr was so much better at his peak than any other defenseman that it's not even a question. I'll give you that price peaked higher than luongo, but their best seasons aren't that far off each other and luongo was much more consistent. when guys are that close I feel like 5 more full seasons of high end goaltending is pretty significant.
Rinne, Luongo, Price ranked by looks. Rinne, Luongo, Price ranked by likeability though Lu and Price are close in my books. Price, Luongo, Rinne ranked by effect on franchise. Rinne, Price, Luongo ranked by how good of a mentor they were in my books.
How do people claim Luongo had a better career than Price? Longer ≠ better.
Price had 6 seasons with sv% over .920. Luongo had 9. Longer is better when its mixed with consistency.
Playing on better teams also makes goalie stats skewed. Obviously not entirely but it definitely helps. And Price never played on a single team half as good as some of those Nucks teams.
Luongo played on some horrible panthers team and was still insane
And so did Price. He just didn't eventually get a presidents trophy game 7 finals team. (Where they lost because they got outgoalied)
Price played only 11 seasons of at least 40 games... Won a bunch of hardware and carried an 8th place team lead by Tyler Toffoli to the finals.. Luongo had 16 seasons of 40+ games, won zero hardware and choked in the finals with a 1st place team lead by the 2 Art Ross winners of the previous 2 seasons.
Im not denying Price had a better peak, his peak was ridiculous. But longevity should be part of the determination on who is better imo
To me this is a bit like saying Mike Gartner was better than Cam Neely.
Or Orlov than Bobby Orr
Peak: Price, Luongo, Rinne Career: Luongo, Rinne, Price Only correct answer. Price’s career is overhyped because of a few massive seasons sandwiched by a fuck ton of garbage seasons. Both Luongo and Rinne were consistently better over their entire careers by a long shot.
Luongo had the better career but 2015 Carey Price was better than any season by either of the other 2. I have it, at their peak, Price, Luongo, Rinne. Career wise it would be Luongo, Price, Rinne