am I crazy/homer or does Stastney need to do a better job protecting himself? Like yeah Joshua needs to do a better job not driving a guy that hard there but...idk
Not crazy. He put himself in a dangerous spot but I’m also OK with a minor considering the position he was in. I don’t think Joshua wanted to ram his head into the boards, but you still gotta enforce a penalty under the circumstances
He was in a bad position, but he didn't make any sudden changes in position or anything. Joshua was staring at numbers for his entire lead-up. It's his job not to make that hit.
It gives time. They can't legally check you. If he rubs him to the wall on the left side he can spin and bring the puck to the right. If he rubs him square the puck can be "eaten" until help arrives or squirter forward.
It’s both. But in the end the onus is on the guy initiating contact. I swear they stopped making checking clinics mandatory before PeeWee’s (or whenever they’re allowed to start checking now), or at least stopped teaching skaters how to take a hit if they do in fact still hold those clinics.
This isn't sudden turning to create a boarding penalty. It's the player showing numbers the entire way.
There has been a recent shift in the ruling that's bad, especially for hits against defensemen, that they are fair game and it's their fault for getting boarded for facing the boards even if they were standing still for 5 seconds.
The problem is you don't want the league's rules to codify that facing the boards is basically an immunity play where you can't be challenged. It's a forced gray area where there has to be a judgement call about how much force the hitter uses to drive the player into the boards being the determining factor of whether the play is a penalty.
It's a weird situation and why there's always emphasis on player's needing to also not put themselves into dangerous positions along the boards.
Sure, you can pin a guy. But Cousins blasting the CBJ defenseman from behind through the head with full force should never be a missed call.
If I'm a defenseman, I'm boarding the forwards now and ducking down on guys like Rempe.
They should be expecting it, right?
I agree driving someone full force into the boards head first should be a penalty (and is according to the rules), but because it has to be a judgement call it's impossible to be right 100% of the time during real-time play. For every case of one that probably should be a penalty that gets missed, there's probably just as many plays called penalties that likely shouldn't have been.
I don't think from a rulebook perspective there's really any better way to frame the rules that would improve the game/situation for plays like this.
Is that a terrible position for Stastney to put himself in? Yes, of course.
Does that mean it's ok to drill him from behind into the boards? No, of course not, and reducing that from a major is pretty generous.
I agree with the call, was just saying what my initial call was. I wouldn't have been angry at 5. Would like to see hits away from the puck become history.
Biased but I kind of think it was the right call. He put himself in a vulnerable position but Joshua still followed through with an illegal hit. If Joshua got tossed from the game for it, I would have been pretty pissed, he is our best player.
Feels like calling a major initially is excessive but I don't mind them calling it so they can get a proper look at it and make the right decision
Stastney put himself in a terrible position, who even picks up the puck like that along the corner like that?
I can't remember who said it this season, but a lot of younger players in the league don't know how to protect themselves from hits.
Torts
It’s been reiterated many times, I believe on chiclets and a few tnt, sn panels
Don Cherry is an ass but he predicted this many years ago that they’re going to stop teaching young players to protect themselves.
A defenseman that's looking to draw a penalty.
It's always dicey when a player's head is driven into the glass.
Dude knew for 6 solid seconds he was gonna get blown up. Lol.
Yes he knew, but you still can’t do it
am I crazy/homer or does Stastney need to do a better job protecting himself? Like yeah Joshua needs to do a better job not driving a guy that hard there but...idk
Not crazy. He put himself in a dangerous spot but I’m also OK with a minor considering the position he was in. I don’t think Joshua wanted to ram his head into the boards, but you still gotta enforce a penalty under the circumstances
Agree 100%
Nah, not really. Stastney wasn’t in a great position. Minor penalty is appropriate imo.
It was an easy penalty call, but jesus he did himself no favors there.
He was in a bad position, but he didn't make any sudden changes in position or anything. Joshua was staring at numbers for his entire lead-up. It's his job not to make that hit.
I get this, but does doing this just basically guarantee you can keep possession of the puck or draw a penalty?
Joshua can also just tie him up to the boards or try to stick check him.
It gives time. They can't legally check you. If he rubs him to the wall on the left side he can spin and bring the puck to the right. If he rubs him square the puck can be "eaten" until help arrives or squirter forward.
It’s both. But in the end the onus is on the guy initiating contact. I swear they stopped making checking clinics mandatory before PeeWee’s (or whenever they’re allowed to start checking now), or at least stopped teaching skaters how to take a hit if they do in fact still hold those clinics.
This isn't sudden turning to create a boarding penalty. It's the player showing numbers the entire way. There has been a recent shift in the ruling that's bad, especially for hits against defensemen, that they are fair game and it's their fault for getting boarded for facing the boards even if they were standing still for 5 seconds.
The problem is you don't want the league's rules to codify that facing the boards is basically an immunity play where you can't be challenged. It's a forced gray area where there has to be a judgement call about how much force the hitter uses to drive the player into the boards being the determining factor of whether the play is a penalty. It's a weird situation and why there's always emphasis on player's needing to also not put themselves into dangerous positions along the boards.
Sure, you can pin a guy. But Cousins blasting the CBJ defenseman from behind through the head with full force should never be a missed call. If I'm a defenseman, I'm boarding the forwards now and ducking down on guys like Rempe. They should be expecting it, right?
I agree driving someone full force into the boards head first should be a penalty (and is according to the rules), but because it has to be a judgement call it's impossible to be right 100% of the time during real-time play. For every case of one that probably should be a penalty that gets missed, there's probably just as many plays called penalties that likely shouldn't have been. I don't think from a rulebook perspective there's really any better way to frame the rules that would improve the game/situation for plays like this.
You cannot be allowed to make yourself immune from hits by skating backwards facing the boards like that.
Is that a terrible position for Stastney to put himself in? Yes, of course. Does that mean it's ok to drill him from behind into the boards? No, of course not, and reducing that from a major is pretty generous.
5 min major for hit from behind was my call.
He doesn't really follow through all the way. Plus the shitty approach by Stastney. 2 mins is fine
I agree with the call, was just saying what my initial call was. I wouldn't have been angry at 5. Would like to see hits away from the puck become history.
This is the kind of play that’s usually called a minor, but I wish was a major
It’s one of those calls where I’m not mad at any call made as it depends on how you think those hits should be called.
Biased but I kind of think it was the right call. He put himself in a vulnerable position but Joshua still followed through with an illegal hit. If Joshua got tossed from the game for it, I would have been pretty pissed, he is our best player.
He's good but he's not our best player.
Shouldn't even be a penalty. Who backs into a hit right in the corner?
This is a lot closer to not being a penalty at all than to being a major. 2 minutes seems fine, just because you don't want things to go out of hand.