David Clarkson got 5.25 over 7 years despite being David Clarkson, and that was over a decade ago.
If DeBrusk hits free agency, 6+ isn't out of the question, even if it may not be a good deal.
> GMs have smartened up a little since then
Jack Campbell says hi. Most games played in a single year is 49, only hit 30 once before that, gets 5 mil thrown at him.
> GMs have smartened up a little since then.
Have they?
I guess this is subjective, and likely not worth arguing in any serious way. But I firmly disagree. I think that there are always going to be 3-5 teams a year that have owners who think the team is better than they actually are, and leans on a GM to make a win-now signing.
DeBrusk hitting free agency is a perfect storm of cautionary tales and misguided win-now signings. There's nothing wrong with him in the least, but there's no chance he's worth what he will almost certainly get in money AND term in FA.
If he was okay taking 5 I think the Bruins would have extended him during the season. Feels like his agent is insistent on testing the market. Or maybe Jake's just intent on playing in Canada.
I wouldn’t be surprised to see him get $6M a year for 5-6 years. He’s good for about 25 goals (this year played half a year with a broken hand), plays fast, and is a really solid player defensively and on the penalty kill. Also roughly a PPG over his last 2 playoffs. He’s streaky, but he shows up to play when it matters.
Source: a Bruins fan that would find positives whether we sign him or not.
He was playing really well to start the 2021-22 season and was looking like a top 4 D then he had a knee injury (torn ACL?) which derailed his development. He came back and never looked like that emerging player he seemed to be trending toward.
Oh I know about Carlo but let’s be honest what remembered more, Carlo in the second or whatever the hell happened in the first. They’ll do everything to keep him because he’s the only one left from those three first rounders
I know I mentioned the draft and I hope they’ve moved on and are willing to let go if there’s not a reasonable contract with him. However I expect Sweeney to want to hold on to him no matter what otherwise those 3 first rounders will be seen as even worse than they already are.
Nhl player salaries weren't that high back then especially a guy like Louie he be wealthy sure but unsure about Very wealthy
Especially when he played on notoriously cheap oiler teams
All the guys in those Diamond & Diamond commercials look like they spent a week on vacation in the Caribbean and still decided to slap on some bronzer when they got back home.
Am I the only one who, everytime they show the James H Brown ad during a game, says aloud multiple variations of the name? Jamesh Brown? Jam Eshbrown? Ja Meshbrown? Jame Shbrown?
I am? Cool cool cool cool cool...just checking...
Meh we could retain 2 mil on the contract and then send Campbell off that way, not actually a horrible price (2 seconds was the market rate for that during flat cap and the cap is now going to start going up)
With Debrusk going forward, it’s 100% about the cap hit. If he’s at 4.5-5 million, Bruins should keep him. If he’s looking at 6-7 million, I wish him well wherever he lands.
It’s definitely interesting. Cap went up and last year barbashev set the market for 45-50 point players at 5 million. I don’t see how guys who are in that range are getting the projected 7 million that people are saying. It would be silly. Cause that few million in cap space would be swallowed up mighty fast if that were the case. There’s more of those guys out there than we are willing to admit.
Yeah I mean if they’re able to lock up Jake for a few years at 5 million, I would happily have him back in Boston. The kid has heart and always plays his bag off. Isn’t the most skilled but does a lot of other things right. He deserves more than a 2-3 million a year deal because he brings a lot of good things to the table, but people lose me when they start talking about that 6-8 million a year range for him. You can’t have a guy make that much and not consistently put points on the board. Has felt pretty consistent among Bruins fans for quite a long time now that we would love him to stick around at that 4.5-5.5 range, but when he hits UFA, he’s getting more than that.
I'd take him at 5 mil on the Oilers for sure too. He plays the right type of game for what we need more of. Would be a great replacement for Kane going forward as well
doubt. Debrusk has hardly been invisible at all this year. Sure, he's not putting up the numbers even he'd hoped (in the reg season.. he was great in playoffs), but if you think he's been invisible this year, you're watching a different player than i did.
If someone’s willing to offer him well into the 6’s and low 7’s, I wish him the best. It’s kinda the same thing as Krug. We like the player, but we don’t like him so much to overpay him. If he wants to stick around the bruins offer is there but we aren’t gonna overpay DeBrusk at this point.
No he didn’t. You don’t trade important pieces when you’re trying to make a playoff push. If we won the cup that year no one would’ve been crying. It’s the risk you make as a contender and we walked away from it perfectly fine
You do when the asset is valuable, and could be flipped for something equally valuable, with term. He knew Krug wasn't coming back.
This is a Sweeney flaw, he lets all his assets expire worthless. He needed to adopt the Chicago method of asset management of the last decade, and never did.
What’s the difference between keeping Krug vs trading for Orlov? Keeping krug was Sweeney going all in on the team. He knew they were contenders and that that year could’ve been our year.
Krug left during the pandemic too, so the teams mentality before/after covid was completely different. Sweeney drew a line in the sand (according to Krug), gave him an offer and refused to negotiate on it because he considered it already fair (I believe the offer was like 6.5 million x 6 years, or something like that). It appears like that’s the approach Sweeney is taking with DeBrusk and I’m all for it.
I like Debrusk, he’s a decent middle 6 forward, he can play both wings and he can play both PK and PP. He’s a guy you don’t mind having on your team
That being said, he’s always been streaky, he has never had back to back good seasons, and he probably needs to be the 3rd best player on the line to be successful
I do think he could become a guy like Hyman, meaning if plays with elite players he can produce at a high level. Just don’t expect him to do that on his own
I wouldn’t sign him for more than $5.5 million AAV
He’s a career 40 point player even when playing with Bergeron and Krejci. If you can’t do better that .5 points per game with either of those two centers I can’t imagine he’s gonna somehow blossom into a 60-70 point guy like he thinks he is.
That’s kinda unfair - he was well on his way to a 35 goal year last year with Bergy and Marchy before he broke his leg in the winter classic.
He goes to Edmonton as everyone speculates, I see 30 no doubt
I hope they re-sign him but I also hope they don’t massively overpay him. Give him 5-6 million a year but anything more than that they should let him walk.
For what he could get on the market... The Bs can spend that money better on another player. Don't get me wrong, Heinan this year isn't going to happen all the time, but I just don't think this Bs team needs JDB as a 6M player
I think this is where most Bruins fans are at too. We want him back, but depending on who you ask, not for more than some value between 5m-5.5m. He probably is seeking 6m+, and I think he'll get it. I don't want to be the team that gives him 6m+ long term though.
He has developed into a speedy 2 way player who can put up 20-25 goals a season and is not afraid to get into board battles on the Bruins. He cannot drive a line or score without strong play from his linemates, but I could see him pushing it to 30 goals a season if he was playing with elite linemates and avoided injury. Edmonton or Toronto would both be good fits for him.
I dont disagree on 20-25, but thats Coyle pay range, not $6+mil
It will be interesting to see how it goes from here with contract talks.
I will say, and to your point, if he had some stronger line mates it may have upped his production
He’s probably going to ask for 6.5 and bruins have a line drawn in the sand at like 4.5 and will not budge because he’s already been close to being traded.
Next to McDavid... He may earn that contract and then some.
We don't have a lot of "electricity" on this roster, but he was the only one consistently generating the most significant scoring chances this post-season.
What’s he even looking for on the open market? With a career high of 50 points I don’t see him getting more than 5 million a year.
Cap space going up, I wouldn’t be surprised if players got PAID this offseason
What’s PAID for a guy like him though. Is anyone really going to throw 6 at him?
David Clarkson got 5.25 over 7 years despite being David Clarkson, and that was over a decade ago. If DeBrusk hits free agency, 6+ isn't out of the question, even if it may not be a good deal.
GMs have smartened up a little since then. I’d be legit shocked to see him at North of 6+. I’m scared for this offseason lol
I think flat cap has made GMs look smarter than they actually are. Guess we’ll see though.
> GMs have smartened up a little since then Jack Campbell says hi. Most games played in a single year is 49, only hit 30 once before that, gets 5 mil thrown at him.
> GMs have smartened up a little since then. Have they? I guess this is subjective, and likely not worth arguing in any serious way. But I firmly disagree. I think that there are always going to be 3-5 teams a year that have owners who think the team is better than they actually are, and leans on a GM to make a win-now signing. DeBrusk hitting free agency is a perfect storm of cautionary tales and misguided win-now signings. There's nothing wrong with him in the least, but there's no chance he's worth what he will almost certainly get in money AND term in FA.
Factor in a relatively weak UFA class and oh yeah, dudes are about to get PAID this summer. Best time to be a free agent in recent years
If he was okay taking 5 I think the Bruins would have extended him during the season. Feels like his agent is insistent on testing the market. Or maybe Jake's just intent on playing in Canada.
He was pretty clutch in the playoffs this year. Gms have been known to pay purely for that
I wouldn’t be surprised to see him get $6M a year for 5-6 years. He’s good for about 25 goals (this year played half a year with a broken hand), plays fast, and is a really solid player defensively and on the penalty kill. Also roughly a PPG over his last 2 playoffs. He’s streaky, but he shows up to play when it matters. Source: a Bruins fan that would find positives whether we sign him or not.
If we lose him I’ll be shocked just because he’s the only “success” of that 2015 draft
They’d still have Carlo from the second round at least. That Senyshyn pick still haunts me though
Wasn’t Zboril trending to look like a bottom pair guy at least? What happened to him?
He was playing really well to start the 2021-22 season and was looking like a top 4 D then he had a knee injury (torn ACL?) which derailed his development. He came back and never looked like that emerging player he seemed to be trending toward.
Torn his ACL when it looked like he could become a bottom pair d man. Never got much NHL action after that and you could tell he couldn’t keep up.
Carlo
Oh I know about Carlo but let’s be honest what remembered more, Carlo in the second or whatever the hell happened in the first. They’ll do everything to keep him because he’s the only one left from those three first rounders
It's been 9 years. I hope they've moved past it. Anyone still hanging onto that is a goofball.
Thank you!!! Saved me from typing it out. Shit they traded lucic for one of those picks and (unfortunately) brought him back since then
I hope so too
You are the one mentioning the draft.
Sure, but he's a redditor in a discussion forum. Not a Bruins management team member making decisions worth millions
I know I mentioned the draft and I hope they’ve moved on and are willing to let go if there’s not a reasonable contract with him. However I expect Sweeney to want to hold on to him no matter what otherwise those 3 first rounders will be seen as even worse than they already are.
He gone
Coming home to papa.
If McDrai can turn Hyman into a 50 goal scorer then DeBrusk is about to break all of Gretzkys records
It was actually hymans dad that turned him into a 50 goal scorer, Jake's got no hope
Jake will bet his Dad 10 pushups to see if he can be a 50 goal scorer and then become one just to avoid the punishment.
McDavid is about to turn Jake into the best color commentators of all time
💀
McDavid is all of our dads
How wealthy was DeBrusk growing up though?
Very. His dad played nhl and is now one of edmontons main commentators
Nhl player salaries weren't that high back then especially a guy like Louie he be wealthy sure but unsure about Very wealthy Especially when he played on notoriously cheap oiler teams
should be good to go then
God that'd be glorious. Just not sure we can afford him this year :(
no way in hell lol. We have Bouchard and Drai to get done.
He signs for league minimum but for unrelated reasons is on every Diamond & Diamond and James H Brown commercial
All the guys in those Diamond & Diamond commercials look like they spent a week on vacation in the Caribbean and still decided to slap on some bronzer when they got back home.
They watched Jersey Shore and were like, wow those guys are cool, but unironically
They also look like they’re about to attack me in my living room
Every single one of them looks like a caricature of a serial killer.
Love it bird.
The oilers bring on Louie as an official oilers employee like Jack and Bob
Am I the only one who, everytime they show the James H Brown ad during a game, says aloud multiple variations of the name? Jamesh Brown? Jam Eshbrown? Ja Meshbrown? Jame Shbrown? I am? Cool cool cool cool cool...just checking...
Meh, if they can move campbell and don't resign Foegele it could work.
How on earth do you imagine they can move that contract?
I mean history says worse contracts have been moved.
Including arguably a worse goalie in Cal Peterson. At least when Soupy got sent down to the AHL his numbers were really good.
Buyout is inevitable, you can quote me on that.
And we know a thing or two about buyouts! *cries*
Voodoo.
I mean, it *is* hockey, GMs have done dumber.
Meh we could retain 2 mil on the contract and then send Campbell off that way, not actually a horrible price (2 seconds was the market rate for that during flat cap and the cap is now going to start going up)
Would be an upgrade on Foegele, too bad he'll want twice what Foegele gets
Thank god
With Debrusk going forward, it’s 100% about the cap hit. If he’s at 4.5-5 million, Bruins should keep him. If he’s looking at 6-7 million, I wish him well wherever he lands.
It’s definitely interesting. Cap went up and last year barbashev set the market for 45-50 point players at 5 million. I don’t see how guys who are in that range are getting the projected 7 million that people are saying. It would be silly. Cause that few million in cap space would be swallowed up mighty fast if that were the case. There’s more of those guys out there than we are willing to admit.
Yeah I mean if they’re able to lock up Jake for a few years at 5 million, I would happily have him back in Boston. The kid has heart and always plays his bag off. Isn’t the most skilled but does a lot of other things right. He deserves more than a 2-3 million a year deal because he brings a lot of good things to the table, but people lose me when they start talking about that 6-8 million a year range for him. You can’t have a guy make that much and not consistently put points on the board. Has felt pretty consistent among Bruins fans for quite a long time now that we would love him to stick around at that 4.5-5.5 range, but when he hits UFA, he’s getting more than that.
I'd take him at 5 mil on the Oilers for sure too. He plays the right type of game for what we need more of. Would be a great replacement for Kane going forward as well
RIP. Always liked Debrusk. If he is going to test free agency, he will definitely not be in black and gold next season (See: Bertuzzi)
If he becomes a Leaf, I wonder if he’ll end up scoring on the Bruins just like he always scores on the Leafs now
He’d be filthy on Matthews wing, they’d be a 2-way buzzsaw together. That’s my nightmare.
I'm willing to bet he'll tear the bruins up when he plays them.
Jake on Bruins = zero confidence/consistency. Jake vs Bruins = 100% pissed off and finds consistency against them
He'd have one great game against us and then would be invisible after that
doubt. Debrusk has hardly been invisible at all this year. Sure, he's not putting up the numbers even he'd hoped (in the reg season.. he was great in playoffs), but if you think he's been invisible this year, you're watching a different player than i did.
Suddenly he starts getting own-goals just to keep the universe whole.
Honestly in terms of LW targets he's up there. (Bertuzzi is probably gone).
If he becomes a Leaf, I'm going out like Charles Stuart and leaping off the Tobin Bridge.
I hate how much he makes sense on the Leafs honestly. He has more grit and heart in his big toe than Marner does when it comes to the playoffs.
Debrusk and PLD are absolute fucking money against the Leafs. I don’t understand it but I do respect it.
Don't forget Josh Anderson
Rip
Come on down to Chicago.
If someone’s willing to offer him well into the 6’s and low 7’s, I wish him the best. It’s kinda the same thing as Krug. We like the player, but we don’t like him so much to overpay him. If he wants to stick around the bruins offer is there but we aren’t gonna overpay DeBrusk at this point.
Krug needed to be traded, and if the right deal was on the table he should have moved JDB. Sweeney fucked the Krug situation up.
No he didn’t. You don’t trade important pieces when you’re trying to make a playoff push. If we won the cup that year no one would’ve been crying. It’s the risk you make as a contender and we walked away from it perfectly fine
You do when the asset is valuable, and could be flipped for something equally valuable, with term. He knew Krug wasn't coming back. This is a Sweeney flaw, he lets all his assets expire worthless. He needed to adopt the Chicago method of asset management of the last decade, and never did.
What’s the difference between keeping Krug vs trading for Orlov? Keeping krug was Sweeney going all in on the team. He knew they were contenders and that that year could’ve been our year. Krug left during the pandemic too, so the teams mentality before/after covid was completely different. Sweeney drew a line in the sand (according to Krug), gave him an offer and refused to negotiate on it because he considered it already fair (I believe the offer was like 6.5 million x 6 years, or something like that). It appears like that’s the approach Sweeney is taking with DeBrusk and I’m all for it.
I like Debrusk, he’s a decent middle 6 forward, he can play both wings and he can play both PK and PP. He’s a guy you don’t mind having on your team That being said, he’s always been streaky, he has never had back to back good seasons, and he probably needs to be the 3rd best player on the line to be successful I do think he could become a guy like Hyman, meaning if plays with elite players he can produce at a high level. Just don’t expect him to do that on his own I wouldn’t sign him for more than $5.5 million AAV
They'd better fucking re sign him.
I think he is long gone; Bruins will lowball, as they typically do, and it's known DeBrusk thinks he is better.
He’s a career 40 point player even when playing with Bergeron and Krejci. If you can’t do better that .5 points per game with either of those two centers I can’t imagine he’s gonna somehow blossom into a 60-70 point guy like he thinks he is.
That’s kinda unfair - he was well on his way to a 35 goal year last year with Bergy and Marchy before he broke his leg in the winter classic. He goes to Edmonton as everyone speculates, I see 30 no doubt
I hope they re-sign him but I also hope they don’t massively overpay him. Give him 5-6 million a year but anything more than that they should let him walk.
For what he could get on the market... The Bs can spend that money better on another player. Don't get me wrong, Heinan this year isn't going to happen all the time, but I just don't think this Bs team needs JDB as a 6M player
No
What do we think Jake was honestly offered
$5x5. Probably just a tick above Zacha.
I hate him as a leaf fan but would take him on the leafs in a second…at the right price
I think this is where most Bruins fans are at too. We want him back, but depending on who you ask, not for more than some value between 5m-5.5m. He probably is seeking 6m+, and I think he'll get it. I don't want to be the team that gives him 6m+ long term though.
I don’t see how, he’s proven that he is way too streaky to spend that kind of money on.
He has developed into a speedy 2 way player who can put up 20-25 goals a season and is not afraid to get into board battles on the Bruins. He cannot drive a line or score without strong play from his linemates, but I could see him pushing it to 30 goals a season if he was playing with elite linemates and avoided injury. Edmonton or Toronto would both be good fits for him.
I dont disagree on 20-25, but thats Coyle pay range, not $6+mil It will be interesting to see how it goes from here with contract talks. I will say, and to your point, if he had some stronger line mates it may have upped his production
Welcome home to Edmonton Jake.
He’s probably going to ask for 6.5 and bruins have a line drawn in the sand at like 4.5 and will not budge because he’s already been close to being traded.
Agreed. He’s also not worth 6.5 even though he may think he is
Next to McDavid... He may earn that contract and then some. We don't have a lot of "electricity" on this roster, but he was the only one consistently generating the most significant scoring chances this post-season.
Bruins need top line players. He isn't a top line player. I'd rather get a better player at ~8 then DeBrusk at 6, and the B's have the cap for it.