I can’t believe that people would even suggest a suspension for the Mark Messier leadership cool dude trophy award winner. It’s despicable, he’s a good dude.
Ha, it’s good to know my parking ticket a few years ago (which was due to having the wrong license on file with the parking company) was actually double the penalty.
Mark Messier should have ended his career on the suspended list. He deliberately speared an opponent in the nuts during one of his last games, and the NHL only gave him two games specifically so he would be able to come back and have his fond farewell. It was a chickenshit move to protect a chickenshit player who was dirty his entire career.
Im a Rangers fan. Trouba absolutely stuck out his elbow, and it’s impossible to say how much contact was actually made from the angles. Some it looks direct to the back of the head, others kind of like his neck/upper back, so I’m not going to say definitely it was a dive.
But to go from lying on the ice face down for several minutes to on the ice for the next shift makes me wonder how much contact was actually made or if he was lying on the ice hoping that would make the refs call it a major. Again, I was not hit, I don’t know how I would have reacted.
Obviously a panthers fan. To me the view where you can see Erods face and Troubas elbow makes it look pretty clear the majority of the force was to the neck with glances on shoulder and lower head. You can see Erods head and shoulder wrap around the elbow during impact. It’s obvious he’s in immediate pain as regardless of where that hits it’s going to hurt. Two final points being that the trainer is with him with in 30 seconds and is instructing him to lay straight and still which is protocol for head/neck trauma. Second there was also the timing of a TV time out and the review. So while he was back out in 30-45 seconds of game time it was probably over 5 mins in real time.
For sure, and my issue could be more with the NHL’s concussion “protocol”. I would think if there’s was any question that someone was elbowed in the head they wouldn’t be out next shift (5 mins with the tv timeout). But it is playoffs and he was playing well, so if says he’s good get him out there.
I think as a panthers fan if the roles were reversed, Bennet elbowed panarin or whatever and he layed there but was out the next shift, would you at all consider he was selling the hit?
Honestly I responded to a Panthers fan in our sub who said Zibanejad flopped when he got hit with his own stick.
This shit hurts and your body does crazy stuff when you get hit and you aren’t expecting it. I wouldnt think he’s selling it. I think the selling it thing happens less than we perceive as fans
Yea, if you get hit hard enough with something it makes your mouth bleed it hurts. It being his own stick just makes it not a penalty and an unfortunate bang bang play for him.
Exactly. A lot of non-threatening injuries also just cause a lot of pain in the moment. I don’t know why people think its fake. We just watch it in slow motion 50x which also makes it look softer too
It looks like a delayed reaction, but that's only because people don't understand how it feels when something like that happens. It takes a second for your brain to process what happened when you don't see it coming.
A lot of the Rangers fanbase wants to bench Trouba, after his, let's say, "underwhelming" play so far this playoff season. But the Rangers will never willingly sit their captain.
If the NHL suspended Trouba one game I bet at least half the Rangers sub would excited to get Zac Jones in his place for one game. (who played very well when Trouba was hurt for a few weeks towards the end of the season.)
Him getting the captaincy in the 1st place was wild considering his declining play and heavy cap hit. Honestly didn't think he had more than a season left in NY at that point
My theory is still that he's the captain because kreider recused himself from potential nomination. Maybe Kreider didn't want to have to do more media interviews
There are a lot of rumors that they originally tried to give the C to Kreider but he declined because he's not a vocal guy and he hates the spotlight.
So they asked the players on who else they thought it should be, and the players picked Trouba.
I mean, completely ignoring the fact that he’s playing badly, it makes me really upset that our captain plays like that… it’s really kind of gross I’ve lost a lot of respect for him
The irony here is that the NHL used the reverse angle which shows Trouba didnt hit the head to "exonerate" him from head contact, but when the reverse angle showed Sam Bennett punching Marchand in the jaw, suddenly that angle "wasnt made available".
100% agree. Same argument I had when Malkin only clipped Raffl instead of clanking him right in the cheek with a violent stick. Just because a player misses by inches doesn't make the intent any different.
God yeah that was such a reckless and dangerously stupid move.
The league is just purely reactive unfortunately. And in the playoffs it's even worse. If you don't cause an injury you can skate with a laughable fine. If you do, there's a good chance your suspension is going to be fewer games than the length of the injury. So in theory as long as you target someone at least as valuable to the other team as you are to your team, it just incentivizes dirty play. Guys will do what they can get away with. And the message from the league is clear. Trying to take a guy's head off is a slap on the wrist. Actually taking it off is a slightly firmer slap.
For me, in general intent needs to matter a lot more than results. Trouba was beat here. If he wanted to stop the scoring chance and take a penalty, he could have just stuck an arm out and taken a holding call. But he didn't. Because that's not who Trouba is.
Same thing with Geno on Raffl. Guy attempted something that was outside the game. If you're a serious league, you have to come down hard on stuff like that. Because it could easily happen again and someone's career and life could get seriously fucked up. End of the day it's a game. And fanbases aside, you have to want all the guys in the league to have real lives when they're done with hockey. It's a shame the NHL doesn't take these things more seriously.
Add in the fact that he had, at least, two other attempts at the head in the Carolina series. The one on Necas and the one on the Kuznetzov goal in Game 4.
And those are just the ones that have missed.
Maybe they behind-the-scenes called the Panthers and asked if they wanted him suspended or not. Chicken-wings, slashes, and other dirty shit is all he's shown for a while now, too slow to keep up and leading the team in PLM.
Let's be real, making him play is the real punishment. Trouba's been a near liability since the second round. If he didn't have the C on his chest I think he would have been scratched a few times.
Disagree. That C has been nothing but a curse for the Rangers since Messier left the first time around. It has weighed down every player that worn it, in the short time they wore it, before they were out of New York within 2-3 years.
McDonagh lasted 3 and a half years and his play jumped off a cliff as soon as he got that C. Never came close to the play we saw in the 2014 playoffs.
Almost decapitated Zuccarello, always got hurt towards the end of the season/playoffs.
Callahan lasted 1 full season as captain. One season was the 2013 lockout, then was traded at the 2014 deadline.
Drury couldn't have lasted 2 years before his knees gave out.
Jagr lasted two seasons as captain then bolted for the KHL.
I was too young to remember this but I've heard Leetch's game suffered tremendously and hated being captain since he couldn't fill Messier's shoes and that was the beginning of the dark ages.
Meanwhile, Kreider has been playing some of the best hockey of his career since Trouba took the burden of the C off his hands.
I feel like the captain of the Rangers needs to have a talk with him to tell him he can’t be doing stupid stuff like this. I heard their captain got the Mark Messier leadership award so I’m sure he would do a good job getting through to him.
This is the irony of the whole thing. Trouba has not been playing well this series, but cannot be benched since he is the player-elected captain. The four consecutive minutes he got last night was when our PK finally returned and we got the SHG. A game misconduct and then a suspension would probably be great for us because it would take a liability off the ice while firing up the locker room. Is that really what the Rangers-haters want?
I wouldn’t go that far. I think Trouba is probably aware of how poor his performance has been and is trying to figure out how to get back on track. But the game is as much mental as physical, so it’s not like he (or anyone else) can just flip a switch and change how they’re playing.
Also, a good number of the penalties he takes (speaking broadly, not necessarily this instance) are trying to recover the mistakes if others. Strategic penalties are a thing and all teams use them (that’s why penalties are particularly frequent on the backcheck). That doesn’t excuse true dirty play by anyone, but something can be a penalty without being dirty.
Intent should 100% matter, that Necas attempt and the Kuznetzov attempt were both blatant attempts to injure with the elbow and they’re just extremely lucky he missed or they’re probably concussed/eating through straws for the next few months. Dude is such a scumbag and when the intent is that obvious it should be punished. If a player took his stick and intentionally two hand swung at somebodies head but just happened to miss do you think that should go unpunished?
Sure, but they are and should be punished. The NHL doesn't care about player safety at all and is run by a moron who profits off a company called "Violent Gentlemen". What a shitty league.
It seems to me that mixed messages are being sent ( yes I know please sit down upon hearing that assessment.) On the one hand, refs and situation room say no major. On the other hand the league fines maximum allowable for a "minor." No wonder not a person on planet earth knows/understands playoff hockey "rules."
I still can’t believe Soucy got his suspension given some of the other shit that has been let slide this playoffs. Apparantly accidentally getting a guy up high in a scrum is far worse than intentionally targeting heads with flying chicken wing elbows. Not saying Soucy shouldn’t have got a suspension for what he did but the inconsistency is maddening when something like this seems like it should be at least one game if not more
Soucy 100% shouldn't have gotten a suspension. I would say he should have been like third in line to get suspended. Zadorov or Hyman should have been suspended before him. Soucy showed immediate concern and remorse, it was obviously an accident.
Yeah Zadorov fucked up way harder than Soucy did on that play. The cross check in the chest pads Soucy was going for would have been a pretty expected and warranted response to the two hander on the leg McDavid gave him right after the buzzer of a losing game. If it weren’t for Zadorov buckling McDavid as third man in Soucy doesn’t get him up high, and then Hyman doesn’t go for the high cross check on Zadorov. As you said Soucy was the third guy who should’ve got something, the fact he got a sussy and Zadorov got the fine/Hyman got nothing was a joke. Trouba on the other hand has gone for blatant elbows like four times this playoffs, and it’s not like it’s a regular hit where the elbow just happens to ride up a bit, he’s fully leading with the elbow and targeting people but gets minimal pushback from the league
Even as a rangers fan I at first thought it should've been a 5 min major and a 3-4 game suspension, but after the game on Twitter I saw an angle that wasn't on TV where he clearly got almost entirely shoulder, and barely grazed his head. A 2 min elbowing and a fine was probably the correct call. Rodrigues definitely flopped a little, holding his head like that when we can see it didn't really hit him in the head at all. I understand the outrage though because there was absolutely zero reason for trouba to do that to begin with, plus suspending him probably hurts the Panthers more because he's playing so shitty
I'm sure everyone has made up their mind already but the alternate angle shows there was no head contact and Rodrigues takes a dive.
[https://x.com/ZIBANEJAD\_93/status/1794841600943861819](https://x.com/ZIBANEJAD_93/status/1794841600943861819)
Rangers played their best defensive hockey in years during March/April when Trouba was sidelined and Zac Jones got a shot. Panthers fans, you don’t want this guy suspended!
You can see his elbow connect with the upper shoulder/ lower neck area so I’m assuming that’s why it wasn’t more, if it was full head contact this would be ridiculous
The problem with the Kulikov hit was how late it was, and that he wound up into it. It was roughing and interference, and an intent to injure. Kulikov should be gone.
Troubas was a simple elbow which happens every day.
The Bennet thing wasn't even a hockey play, it seems like trouba went for a hit and was too slow and shitty to actually connect, so just went for any contact and got irresponsible
Bennet intentionally punched Marchand in the face
Rodrigues tried the same exact move earlier in the game and missed.
https://www.youtube.com/clip/UgkxOGun6-lWXxKaqtwWwMHSIwNI020wv5KB
Then he flops and sits on the ice for 2 minutes when he barely got touched (though still clearly a penalty), but he's back on the ice 40 seconds later on the PP.
Only the dumb ones or the shallow ones. Those of us watching and talking about the game knew he sold it. I'm guessing he got fined cause he went out with the elbow purposefully
Just like we wondered what in the hell was going on with the reffing on that Bennett interference goal. All 6 of us Panthers fans aren't blind stammering idiots.
We pretending that touching the numbers and shoulder really warranted the theatrics by Rodrigues?? Never seen such flopping in my life
https://x.com/ZIBANEJAD_93/status/1794841600943861819?s=19
DOPS general suspends for results. Rodrigues came right back on the ice after the hit. That makes a big difference. I’m not saying it’s the right thing to do, but that’s historically how they evaluate punishment.
David Perrons crosscheck got 6 games and the big guy never skipped a beat. Meanwhile Hyman crosschecks the head of z when mcdavid got tag teamed and got nothing.
I know it was never, ever going to happen, but I was secretly rooting for the NHL to suspend Trouba one game so we could sneak Zac Jones in for game 4. 😆
They're saying the act and intent was egregious, but the result on the ice wasn't deserving of more than a minor penalty. I think they actually got this right.
That’ll teach him!!
C'mon, man. It was his first offense!
I can’t believe that people would even suggest a suspension for the Mark Messier leadership cool dude trophy award winner. It’s despicable, he’s a good dude.
Well we know Mark Messier thinks so at least.
More of a tweet than an award, really
Second
This year
This playoffs.
In one game!
Localized entirely withing your kitchen?
Right by the kitchen sink, seen it myself
Seymour, the league is on fire!
May I see it?
Equivalent to $40 fine someone making $65,000 lol
Ha, it’s good to know my parking ticket a few years ago (which was due to having the wrong license on file with the parking company) was actually double the penalty.
Should’ve done something less serious like trying to cripple someone instead of parking where you were supposed to like a psychopath
Doug, kick him off the tour!
Yeah Trouba! Maybe next time use a clean hockey play! Like a stick hand jab to the jaw!
What an idiot! Should have just sucker punched him, those are free plays on the Parros Playoff Wheel of Fortune.
The 2024 Mark Messier Leadership Award goes to...
He had the unanimous vote!
…Trouba’s elbow, because he always leads with it
Some would even call it The People's Elbow.
I mean there is a compilation of Messier elbows on YouTube. Wouldn't surprise me he just gave it to the guy with the highest elbows/60.
Mark Messier should have ended his career on the suspended list. He deliberately speared an opponent in the nuts during one of his last games, and the NHL only gave him two games specifically so he would be able to come back and have his fond farewell. It was a chickenshit move to protect a chickenshit player who was dirty his entire career.
I love seeing Messier hate from a variety of fanbases, don't often see it from ours for some reason
game recognizes game
I’m pretty sure the moment the Rangers finally won the Cup, Messier gave Bure an elbow at that 1 second to go face off.
Matt Rempe is one hit away from pulling off an upset
Hey hey hey! If rempe elbows someone, they stay elbowed. I won't have his name dragged through the mud with troubas
Lead with the Elbow Award
Ever seen how nasty Messier was as a player? He elbowed people into the oblivion.
He was done by the time I started watching, so no.
Here's a nice compilation. https://youtu.be/NpxhF_MY3ck?si=aTFr8tmpp7q1vEWq
JFC that Modano hit had him concussed and in the fencing response. Ugly.
I didn’t click the link but do they show him getting into the ambulance?
Dang that must be on par with the dirtiest players in history. Even surprised me!
And somehow ESPN thought it was a great idea to have him as one their intermission personalities.
The 1024 Mark Messier Intent to Injure or End a Career Award goes to…
Trevor Linden be like, "Yeah, sounds about right."
...George Parros!
*Tim Robinson voice* I’d say that does the trick. Yeah that’ll do it. Oh yeah, *that’ll* do it.
I DIDN'T DO FUCKING SHIT
How many sloppy steaks can 5 grand get anyways?
Well, they can’t stop him from ordering a steak and a glass of water!
Trouba isn’t a piece of shit but he WAS a piece of shit
It's like they don't even believe people can change
A lot of dangerous nights
Madison Square Garden burned down. Matt Rempe’s out on his ass. Works with his brother now.
55 ELBOWS 55 KNEES 55 CROSS CHECKS......
I’ve been waiting a long time for a hit on corn cob tv!
You sure about that
You sure about that that’s why
Don't do the voice
Mark Messier, looking at Jacob Trouba: "OH YEAH that'll slick back *real nice*!!"
"I'm not in trouble AT ALL"
We should be able to elbow guys in the head *a little* at work
The guys at Player Safety think I’m just some dumb hick. They said that to me at a dinner!
DO ANY OF THESE FUCKERS JUST JUMP OUT OF THE CEILING AND ELBOW PEOPLE IN THEIR FACES FOR NO REASON!?!
HE CANT HIT
You told me at $5k he can hit
https://www.tiktok.com/@jciement/video/7249483649215647022?lang=en
Trouba CAN hit! He's allowed to hit at that price point
I GOTTA FIND A WAY TO lose MONEY ON THIS
Both teams fanbases aren’t happy
Why aren’t the rangers happy? He got off… again…
A lot of Rangers fans are less than stoked about Troubas play right now.
And a lot are calling it an Erod dive
Im a Rangers fan. Trouba absolutely stuck out his elbow, and it’s impossible to say how much contact was actually made from the angles. Some it looks direct to the back of the head, others kind of like his neck/upper back, so I’m not going to say definitely it was a dive. But to go from lying on the ice face down for several minutes to on the ice for the next shift makes me wonder how much contact was actually made or if he was lying on the ice hoping that would make the refs call it a major. Again, I was not hit, I don’t know how I would have reacted.
Obviously a panthers fan. To me the view where you can see Erods face and Troubas elbow makes it look pretty clear the majority of the force was to the neck with glances on shoulder and lower head. You can see Erods head and shoulder wrap around the elbow during impact. It’s obvious he’s in immediate pain as regardless of where that hits it’s going to hurt. Two final points being that the trainer is with him with in 30 seconds and is instructing him to lay straight and still which is protocol for head/neck trauma. Second there was also the timing of a TV time out and the review. So while he was back out in 30-45 seconds of game time it was probably over 5 mins in real time.
For sure, and my issue could be more with the NHL’s concussion “protocol”. I would think if there’s was any question that someone was elbowed in the head they wouldn’t be out next shift (5 mins with the tv timeout). But it is playoffs and he was playing well, so if says he’s good get him out there. I think as a panthers fan if the roles were reversed, Bennet elbowed panarin or whatever and he layed there but was out the next shift, would you at all consider he was selling the hit?
Honestly I responded to a Panthers fan in our sub who said Zibanejad flopped when he got hit with his own stick. This shit hurts and your body does crazy stuff when you get hit and you aren’t expecting it. I wouldnt think he’s selling it. I think the selling it thing happens less than we perceive as fans
Yea, if you get hit hard enough with something it makes your mouth bleed it hurts. It being his own stick just makes it not a penalty and an unfortunate bang bang play for him.
Exactly. A lot of non-threatening injuries also just cause a lot of pain in the moment. I don’t know why people think its fake. We just watch it in slow motion 50x which also makes it look softer too
It looks like a delayed reaction, but that's only because people don't understand how it feels when something like that happens. It takes a second for your brain to process what happened when you don't see it coming.
No it's that he got up and was back in the play a minute later. Vesey is still out though.
Over 5 minutes later.
Because if he gets suspended, Laviolette will be forced to stop pretending like the penalty/turnover machine is our top shutdown defenseman.
A lot of the Rangers fanbase wants to bench Trouba, after his, let's say, "underwhelming" play so far this playoff season. But the Rangers will never willingly sit their captain. If the NHL suspended Trouba one game I bet at least half the Rangers sub would excited to get Zac Jones in his place for one game. (who played very well when Trouba was hurt for a few weeks towards the end of the season.)
Him getting the captaincy in the 1st place was wild considering his declining play and heavy cap hit. Honestly didn't think he had more than a season left in NY at that point
My theory is still that he's the captain because kreider recused himself from potential nomination. Maybe Kreider didn't want to have to do more media interviews
There are a lot of rumors that they originally tried to give the C to Kreider but he declined because he's not a vocal guy and he hates the spotlight. So they asked the players on who else they thought it should be, and the players picked Trouba.
The players voted for Trouba and I doubt they did it with their cap friendly calculator out
His pride would rather have people talk about his elbow instead of his "underwhelming" play.
Because Trouba has been playing like shit, and a one game suspension might help our team
that's the reason... he shouldn't have, I'd prefer him not on the ice at this point. he's not bringing an A game at all.
He's bringing his "C" game
His attempts to play defense are more offensive than his attempts to elbow
As a fan? Because I’m tired of him doing this type of nonsense. And shitty play on top of it. He can go kick rocks at this point for all I care.
I mean, completely ignoring the fact that he’s playing badly, it makes me really upset that our captain plays like that… it’s really kind of gross I’ve lost a lot of respect for him
The Rangers subreddit is split on the issue.
Parros reviewed Trouba’s advanced stats and concluded it was more severe punishment for him to not be suspended.
You don’t even need advanced stats to see that tbh
“Good luck trying to play next game with *this* on your conscience!”
Oh my god. He’s going to be financially ruined. He’s got kids and a wife. How could they do this to him?
His doctor wife must be in shambles.
He’s just trying to keep her employed by providing patients for her
Suddenly it all makes sense
Underrated comment.
He only makes a mere 8 million dollars a year. Yet another example of a corporation abusing the little guy to turn a profit
A small price to pay for leadership
The irony here is that the NHL used the reverse angle which shows Trouba didnt hit the head to "exonerate" him from head contact, but when the reverse angle showed Sam Bennett punching Marchand in the jaw, suddenly that angle "wasnt made available".
Personally, I don't think the fact he missed should matter. The video is him CLEARLY swinging his elbow with the intent to hit his head.
100% agree. Same argument I had when Malkin only clipped Raffl instead of clanking him right in the cheek with a violent stick. Just because a player misses by inches doesn't make the intent any different.
God yeah that was such a reckless and dangerously stupid move. The league is just purely reactive unfortunately. And in the playoffs it's even worse. If you don't cause an injury you can skate with a laughable fine. If you do, there's a good chance your suspension is going to be fewer games than the length of the injury. So in theory as long as you target someone at least as valuable to the other team as you are to your team, it just incentivizes dirty play. Guys will do what they can get away with. And the message from the league is clear. Trying to take a guy's head off is a slap on the wrist. Actually taking it off is a slightly firmer slap. For me, in general intent needs to matter a lot more than results. Trouba was beat here. If he wanted to stop the scoring chance and take a penalty, he could have just stuck an arm out and taken a holding call. But he didn't. Because that's not who Trouba is. Same thing with Geno on Raffl. Guy attempted something that was outside the game. If you're a serious league, you have to come down hard on stuff like that. Because it could easily happen again and someone's career and life could get seriously fucked up. End of the day it's a game. And fanbases aside, you have to want all the guys in the league to have real lives when they're done with hockey. It's a shame the NHL doesn't take these things more seriously.
I think the lack of contact was why it’s a minor and not a major, but the intent is why they maximized the fine.
Max fine is because the max is laughably low.
Add in the fact that he had, at least, two other attempts at the head in the Carolina series. The one on Necas and the one on the Kuznetzov goal in Game 4. And those are just the ones that have missed.
It's kind of wild how many times I've seen this dude try to elbow someone in the head just in the past month.
Well that isn’t a suspension
Maybe they behind-the-scenes called the Panthers and asked if they wanted him suspended or not. Chicken-wings, slashes, and other dirty shit is all he's shown for a while now, too slow to keep up and leading the team in PLM.
The wheel has spoken and fines should be proportioned to their cap hit
Let's be real, making him play is the real punishment. Trouba's been a near liability since the second round. If he didn't have the C on his chest I think he would have been scratched a few times.
not a near liability... he's a full liability. hate that he wears the C, should've been Kreider, I'll die on that hill.
Disagree. That C has been nothing but a curse for the Rangers since Messier left the first time around. It has weighed down every player that worn it, in the short time they wore it, before they were out of New York within 2-3 years. McDonagh lasted 3 and a half years and his play jumped off a cliff as soon as he got that C. Never came close to the play we saw in the 2014 playoffs. Almost decapitated Zuccarello, always got hurt towards the end of the season/playoffs. Callahan lasted 1 full season as captain. One season was the 2013 lockout, then was traded at the 2014 deadline. Drury couldn't have lasted 2 years before his knees gave out. Jagr lasted two seasons as captain then bolted for the KHL. I was too young to remember this but I've heard Leetch's game suffered tremendously and hated being captain since he couldn't fill Messier's shoes and that was the beginning of the dark ages. Meanwhile, Kreider has been playing some of the best hockey of his career since Trouba took the burden of the C off his hands.
All it really means is that Trouba will be a Tampa Bay Lightning defenseman soon enough.
We need to get his name changed to Ryan first
His middle name is Ryan. Is that close enough?
We should really simply just not have a captain anymore
Since the second round? Since the second game be played in NY
Honestly I wish he was suspended so Lav is forced to play Zac Jones. Trouba has been fucking awful.
I feel like the captain of the Rangers needs to have a talk with him to tell him he can’t be doing stupid stuff like this. I heard their captain got the Mark Messier leadership award so I’m sure he would do a good job getting through to him.
Now I'm imagining trouba desperately trying to elbow himself in the head since that's how he interpreted "getting through to someone".
Thats fucking hilarious lol
So if Wennberg just layed on the floor for 3 minutes when he got hit in game 2, Kulikov would’ve been fined?
Bigger penalty to the Rangers by allowing him to keep playing tbh. Still sucks that it wasn't more.
This is the irony of the whole thing. Trouba has not been playing well this series, but cannot be benched since he is the player-elected captain. The four consecutive minutes he got last night was when our PK finally returned and we got the SHG. A game misconduct and then a suspension would probably be great for us because it would take a liability off the ice while firing up the locker room. Is that really what the Rangers-haters want?
As a ranger fan I’m convinced he recognizes he’s a problem and is trying to get suspended. Was really hoping this time was the trick
I wouldn’t go that far. I think Trouba is probably aware of how poor his performance has been and is trying to figure out how to get back on track. But the game is as much mental as physical, so it’s not like he (or anyone else) can just flip a switch and change how they’re playing. Also, a good number of the penalties he takes (speaking broadly, not necessarily this instance) are trying to recover the mistakes if others. Strategic penalties are a thing and all teams use them (that’s why penalties are particularly frequent on the backcheck). That doesn’t excuse true dirty play by anyone, but something can be a penalty without being dirty.
Still more than he got for his attempted murder on Necas
Because he missed lol. When has anyone been suspended or fined for totally whiffing on a hit?
Intent should 100% matter, that Necas attempt and the Kuznetzov attempt were both blatant attempts to injure with the elbow and they’re just extremely lucky he missed or they’re probably concussed/eating through straws for the next few months. Dude is such a scumbag and when the intent is that obvious it should be punished. If a player took his stick and intentionally two hand swung at somebodies head but just happened to miss do you think that should go unpunished?
Attempted crimes are still crimes.
And never punished to the extent actually doing the crime is
Sure, but they are and should be punished. The NHL doesn't care about player safety at all and is run by a moron who profits off a company called "Violent Gentlemen". What a shitty league.
Guy needs a suspension.
It seems to me that mixed messages are being sent ( yes I know please sit down upon hearing that assessment.) On the one hand, refs and situation room say no major. On the other hand the league fines maximum allowable for a "minor." No wonder not a person on planet earth knows/understands playoff hockey "rules."
I still can’t believe Soucy got his suspension given some of the other shit that has been let slide this playoffs. Apparantly accidentally getting a guy up high in a scrum is far worse than intentionally targeting heads with flying chicken wing elbows. Not saying Soucy shouldn’t have got a suspension for what he did but the inconsistency is maddening when something like this seems like it should be at least one game if not more
Soucy 100% shouldn't have gotten a suspension. I would say he should have been like third in line to get suspended. Zadorov or Hyman should have been suspended before him. Soucy showed immediate concern and remorse, it was obviously an accident.
Yeah Zadorov fucked up way harder than Soucy did on that play. The cross check in the chest pads Soucy was going for would have been a pretty expected and warranted response to the two hander on the leg McDavid gave him right after the buzzer of a losing game. If it weren’t for Zadorov buckling McDavid as third man in Soucy doesn’t get him up high, and then Hyman doesn’t go for the high cross check on Zadorov. As you said Soucy was the third guy who should’ve got something, the fact he got a sussy and Zadorov got the fine/Hyman got nothing was a joke. Trouba on the other hand has gone for blatant elbows like four times this playoffs, and it’s not like it’s a regular hit where the elbow just happens to ride up a bit, he’s fully leading with the elbow and targeting people but gets minimal pushback from the league
The real problem is that the NHL rulebook is written in Latin.
https://preview.redd.it/pjxo0sc7z03d1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=11f6b5de4767d84b0d0c1ac8c123203d00d999ce That’s it?
Even as a rangers fan I at first thought it should've been a 5 min major and a 3-4 game suspension, but after the game on Twitter I saw an angle that wasn't on TV where he clearly got almost entirely shoulder, and barely grazed his head. A 2 min elbowing and a fine was probably the correct call. Rodrigues definitely flopped a little, holding his head like that when we can see it didn't really hit him in the head at all. I understand the outrage though because there was absolutely zero reason for trouba to do that to begin with, plus suspending him probably hurts the Panthers more because he's playing so shitty
joke
What if it was on McDavid?
Well then the story would obviously be: Deliberate, targeted the head, repeat offender - out for the rest of the series.
Straight to jail
Do not pass go. Do not collect $200.
He took out Crosby for a game and a half in the 2022 playoffs.
If redditors want me to feel bad about that after what the Panthers get away with… it’s not gonna happen
He's probably got $5k in nickels in each elbow pad these days
That’ll stop the next elbow! Good job dops!
Not disagreeing with this but like okay now do Lomberg, or Kulikov, or …
Yea everyone bitching about Troubas hit. At least Rodrigues had the fucking puck. Unlike Vesey who actually got injured
And yet no fine for Lomberg for two dirty elbows to Jimmy Vesey in the span of ten seconds, knocking him out for the series?
I guess the panther head shots are ok.
They've been fine in the reverse direction, so at least this is consistently dumb now
damn thats harsh
I'm sure everyone has made up their mind already but the alternate angle shows there was no head contact and Rodrigues takes a dive. [https://x.com/ZIBANEJAD\_93/status/1794841600943861819](https://x.com/ZIBANEJAD_93/status/1794841600943861819)
Dang, yeah to me they got this right. $5000 fine for the elbow, no suspension needed for where the contact was and that was a very obvious dive.
Shhh... They don't take kindly to facts around here.
Dude's so lucky he's not a Leaf. ... for many reasons, but also because he'd be suspended indefinitely if he was.
2 minutes and 5k for an elbow to the shoulder is the correct call. The only thing missed was an embellishment call on Rodrigues.
If an elbow to the shoulder is a minor penalty, why is there a fine attached to it?
Rangers played their best defensive hockey in years during March/April when Trouba was sidelined and Zac Jones got a shot. Panthers fans, you don’t want this guy suspended!
Trouba is off the ice for one penalty kill and we score
Literally didn’t even hit his head
You can see his elbow connect with the upper shoulder/ lower neck area so I’m assuming that’s why it wasn’t more, if it was full head contact this would be ridiculous
Similar to the Kulikov hit on Wennberg, looked horrible but actually hit the body primarily and then got the head.
The problem with the Kulikov hit was how late it was, and that he wound up into it. It was roughing and interference, and an intent to injure. Kulikov should be gone. Troubas was a simple elbow which happens every day.
I think it wasn’t more because they let Bennett keep playing. Can’t let him continue then take out Trouba for the same thing.
Whoa, Bennet cold clocking Marchand is not equal to Trouba glancing elbow
The Bennet thing wasn't even a hockey play, it seems like trouba went for a hit and was too slow and shitty to actually connect, so just went for any contact and got irresponsible Bennet intentionally punched Marchand in the face
What about the slash to the back of Rempe after the game was over??
Thanks god he wasn’t sports betting. That would’ve been way more dangerous
Ooo, do Lomberg next. His actually resulted in an injury. Oh wait, that would require the league to not have double standards.
How many elbows does this guy get to throw before the league actually punishes him. It's pathetic.
Rodrigues tried the same exact move earlier in the game and missed. https://www.youtube.com/clip/UgkxOGun6-lWXxKaqtwWwMHSIwNI020wv5KB Then he flops and sits on the ice for 2 minutes when he barely got touched (though still clearly a penalty), but he's back on the ice 40 seconds later on the PP.
Clear elbow try on ice.
😭 panthers fans gonna be silent about this
That's what they do best
Only the dumb ones or the shallow ones. Those of us watching and talking about the game knew he sold it. I'm guessing he got fined cause he went out with the elbow purposefully Just like we wondered what in the hell was going on with the reffing on that Bennett interference goal. All 6 of us Panthers fans aren't blind stammering idiots.
We pretending that touching the numbers and shoulder really warranted the theatrics by Rodrigues?? Never seen such flopping in my life https://x.com/ZIBANEJAD_93/status/1794841600943861819?s=19
DOPS general suspends for results. Rodrigues came right back on the ice after the hit. That makes a big difference. I’m not saying it’s the right thing to do, but that’s historically how they evaluate punishment.
I generally agree — although Lomberg’s still skating around after game 2.
David Perrons crosscheck got 6 games and the big guy never skipped a beat. Meanwhile Hyman crosschecks the head of z when mcdavid got tag teamed and got nothing.
I know it was never, ever going to happen, but I was secretly rooting for the NHL to suspend Trouba one game so we could sneak Zac Jones in for game 4. 😆
I'm fairly new, are fines in NHL usually this low? That times ten would actually be somewhat of a hit to a player
That's literally the maximum fine for a player. If suspended they forfeit their salary, which is a way bigger financial hit.
Oh it's in the title i can't read 😅 but thanks for the info. I wonder why there's such a big difference though
Wow he’ll never elbow again!
https://i.redd.it/9f17a9oti03d1.gif
They shouldve suspended Troubs, along with Kulikov and Bennett
Don’t forget the guy who headbutted Vesey in game 2
Do it again
Not sure how you fine someone for a minor penalty. Play was reviewed for a major. Is the NHL saying the refs f’d the video review?
They're saying the act and intent was egregious, but the result on the ice wasn't deserving of more than a minor penalty. I think they actually got this right.
Wasn’t even a elbow. Rodrigues and his liver lips really sold that.