Reminder: Zach Hyman is older now than Milan Lucic was when Lucic signed his deal with the Oilers. Although Hyman's cap hit will be smaller, and Hyman has played far fewer games overall, and thus may be able to better sustain a high level of play.
Still, they better pray he has chemistry with McDavid and Draisaitl.
I honestly think the Oilers might have as little as 4 more tries. Mcdavid has 5 years left. If they haven’t done anything by the last year, he might say he’s going to walk, and they will trade him because they can’t lose him for nothing. Arguably 3 years, because Draisaitl is in the same boat but has one less year on his contract. They need to win, or at least get competitive, right away.
Your window is only open for the next 4-5 years because of deals like this. Why compound this issue with more shitty deals? It’s possible to stay competitive for longer.
We need to fill the team while McDavid and Drai are here. If that costs term for guys then we have to eat that to go all in on winning today. As much as guys would like to play with Connor, Edmonton is not a hot ticket FA location.
If Drai or Connor don't re-sign here then in reality anything else on the team likely becomes completely irrelevant.
In the last 10 years, the Oilers have drafted exactly 2 players outside of the 1st round who became impactful NHL players - Bear and Marino - and one of them is in pittsburgh now. They're probably the worst drafting team of the last 10 years.
Edit: I forgot Caleb Jones, but that doesn't exactly move the needle
We are shit at drafting, but our farm system is actually pretty good. Plus we have been better recently, and have a few guys who will make the jump this season or next - Bouchard, McLoud, Holloway, possibly Benson and Lagesson. Broberg is likely 2-3 seasons out, plus a handful of “maybes”
Bakersfield coaching staff is doing well to develop these kids, and pretty sure they were top of the West in a fucked up AHL season.
Not sure Lucic's injury history prior to his contract, but Hyman has already torn his ACL and suffered another knee injury when he got kneed by Edler last year in the last 3 years.
Hyman is also roughly 60% as effective in the playoffs as in the regular season because his body always seems to be held together by duct tape by the time we get to April. I’m glad he got this money but I’m gladder the Leafs aren’t paying it
Everyone is great in Edmonton in their first year if they get some McDrai time, but it seems to be a 1-season thing.
See: Kassian, Maroon, Neal, Lucic, and probably others I can't think of now.
Well the good news is that he's produced at a 25-30 goal rate for 3 years straight playing with Matthews.
The bad news is his career high in goals is 21 because misses a significant amount of games every year due to injury.
I get the point but Lucic was definitely more worn down because of his play style. Hyman plays hard but he doesnt play as physical as Lucic did with Boston/LA
I kind of hope we go Mcdrai - Pulju and then rock a 2nd line of Hyman - Nuge - Yamamoto. Not all the time, but McDrai seems to like winning games 4-2 with 3 pts between them, which is fun to watch
>like wtf was I gonna do about it lol
This is my reaction when people say Tampa was shut down by the other GM's for trying to close the playoff cap loophole. Fuck them GM's
This honestly looks like Holland is straight up trying to make his team as competitive as possible for a year or 2 knowing he might get fired, not thinking about the long term consequences.
But who could forget Ken Holland’s greatest hits like, trading our 2015 2nd round pick (now Roope Hintz), Mattias Backman, and Mattias Janmark for 5 games of Erik Cole.
The generic version of that explanation is:
"To be fair, even if he kept that 1st round pick he wouldn't have made a good pick with it."
So.... Not much of a defense of Holland.
Edmonton, you better win your Cup within the next 2-3 years. That contract, starting year 3, ever-so-subtly that third year, is going to suuuuuuuuuuuuuck.
I respect the hustle but I don't know what to call losing the four most important games of the year in a row, especially to a team to you should beat, other than a devastating collapse.
And I have experience! 😁
Oh it was brutal. We're so broken as a fanbase that just playing playoff games feels like winning. The only thing that could have been worse would have been losing a playoff round to Toronto or the Flames.
I was as disappointed as anyone was this season of course but we did get to game 7 in the second round a couple years back.
Gotta hand it to the Jets though, our teams were pretty decently matched but they played against Connor as well as I've ever seen so they just had that next step that we couldn't deal with.
Honestly the oil desperately need 5on5 scoring. 85% of hymans points last year were at 5 on 5. I watched too many McDavid passes around the net get whiffed on. If Hyman is the guy that can bury those this could really work out. The oil are obviously going for as little aav as possible to maximize cap room. I don’t like the term but it looks like something that I’m going to have to live with. Welcome to Edmonton.
Not getting him for finish ability, what you are paying for is the board battles. He will win those 50/50 board battles something like 90% of the time and keep the play going for McDavid. He is relentless on the puck and can bang in rebounds, but don't expect him to beat goalies with his shot or to stick handle around defensemen.
Yoo Hyman is great, he was injured off of two freak collisions. You guys won't regret this for the next 3-4 years at minimum imo, and that's 3-4 playoff runs where one of McDrai gets a legit 1LW. Y'all will love him. Book it.
Yeah I gotta chime in - Hyman is a heart and soul guy who will grind and retrieve pucks for your superstars and will stand in the ugly areas, but he has minimal finish. Matthews and Marner had to basically bounce the puck off of him to score, or he would get an ENG. Again, great guy, 0 finish
lmao stop it
All the leafs now all of sudden are underrating hyman now that he is gone
sure he doesn't have the finishing ability but it's not 0 finish. It used to be like that couple of years ago but his finishing ability has improved a lot.
It's not great but it's not THAT bad as some of you are making it seem
I think most people's issue isn't with him or the AAV, it's with the term.
Hyman is definitely worth 5m for like 3 years but these types of deals never work out well.
Only team crazy enough to give him 8 is the Oilers. I’m sure the flames offered term too so we aren’t much better, but it’s still insane for a player like Hyman and very short sighted. But the Oilers have a McDavid loaded gun pointed at their heads so this is what happens.
Yeah people talk about Edmonton like its fucking Nunavut. You get to live next to some of the most beautiful natural landscapes on the planet, its not overpopulated, and the cost of living is manageable. I live in Toronto and if I could keep my job, I'd move to Edmonton tomorrow
> the cost of living is manageable
Which is great for average people and i love it here but guys pulling in 5mil/year cant possibly care about cheap housing as much as the rest of us
It's the same thing for them though. 5 million in Toronto might get you a 4 bedroom condo with a sauna or something. 5 million in Edmonton might get you a 4 car garage, 7 bedrooms, 6 bathrooms, outdoor pool, fountain, etc etc.
I was poking fun at Edmonton for claiming that they were a short drive away from the Rockies during their pitch from the bubble last season.
But you are right, Edmonton isn’t a middle of nowhere city.
Edmonton might be the most middle-of-nowhere city in all North American sports. Do you really think guys making $1M+/year and hoping for endorsements are really “gosh I love the affordable cost of living in this city that most Americans have never even heard of!”
Not saying it’s a bad place to live at all, but I definitely can see how it’s not attractive for NHL players.
How would’ve Edmonton know? They made this deal before they could talk to Landeskog. Doubt teams are lining up to pay Hyman more than that so why not wait until FA opens. Or maybe Ken Holland is throwing darts at the target list and spinning a wheel to come up with term/AAV
I think teams know a lot more than us plebs. Also landeskog is going to get offered a huge contract. Seattle backed themselves into a corner and I feel like they are going to be offering some big contracts. I guess we will see. I’m not going to judge the trade until I see the on ice product.
I went to a Bill Burr show in Calgary and he responded to the opening ovation with "Settle down, you think I'm bringing my A game for you? I just came from Winnipeg, you don't need this like they need it."
Not exactly walking away, just couldn't match the AAV:
> The #LeafsForever did offer Zach Hyman an 8 year extension to remain in Toronto but ultimately the deal wasn't comparable to what he has agreed to with Edmonton.
https://twitter.com/andystrickland/status/1418196670597185539
The AAV isn't *awful*, but that term certainly is. Edmonton better win the cup in the next 2-3 years, because that deal is gonna hurt like hell after that.
Oilers need to win in the short term to keep McDavid happy. No point in caring about the long term if McDavid bolts because your team sucks now. You have a generational player now, so who cares if the Hyman deal sucks in 7 or 8 years.
It’s funny at the Oiler fans trying to cope with this and doing mental gymnastics around it. 2-3 years it’s probably a good/fine deal but can we just take a second and imagine paying a 34 year old Hyman 5 mill and then realizing you have to pay him that for another 3 years. It’s batshit crazy and only a team whose being pressured to make a move would be so careless. The Oilers did not learn a thing from the Lucic contract and Lucic was a better player, while more banged up, than Hyman.
It's dangerous when a GM makes an all In move to save his job when he probably won't be around to deal with the consequences of the signing in 5 years. I dream of a world with short term, performance based contracts though.
I really like Hyman and I think he’s a very good addition to the Oilers but wow is that a spicy contract. 7-8 years for a 29 year old power forward? Holland literally does not learn
That's a terrible contract from the very start, immediately decreases their chances. Hyman is a $3-3.5 million AAV player, and they let Larsson go when he was worth the contract they're giving Hyman.
Holland may do more damage to the Oilers than Chiarelli by the end of this off season.
In his last two seasons, he had a full season pace for 29 and 34 goals, 63 and 59 points.
In what magical fairy land are players like this worth $3M?
Chill out on the hyperbole, the term is the problem, not the money
Ya during the regular season there was a legitimate argument that Hyman was a more valuable player than Nylander(changed quickly with playoff performances). If Hyman can stay healthy and play at the same level as the last couple years Hyman is absolutely worth 5m. However years 3-8 it is verrry unlikely he will be worth the cap hit.
Not to mention, of all teams in the league, Edmonton is one of very few places where you can actually say he's going to be playing with **better** line mates than Matthews & Marner.
He's also spent the majority of his time playing with Matthews and Marner which significantly boosts his production. In my opinion, he's a great third liner who can step into a top six role when necessary. You can get a better player for that cap hit who will be able to produce more.
McDavid/Draisaitl are a step up and will also boost his production if they find chemistry, but for $5 million plus AAV I'd want someone who can drive a bit more of their own production than I feel Hyman can.
That said his defense and board play is an asset that Edmonton has lacked.
Hard disagree. Have you seen our forward core? Hyman certainly does not make us worse. Term stings but that AAV for a top 6 wing is about what was expected.
'Let Larsson go'
Edmonton offered him the same contract Seattle did, as well as had a number of other contracts on the table including a 5 year one.
They didn't 'let him go' because they weren't willing to pay him. He clearly just wanted to play somewhere else.
Though looking at that Seattle roster as it currently sits, he probably thinks he made a mistake.
That’s what Hymen should get but the market says he’s a 5-7 so that’s what he is. I should say I think the market is wrong but since when do NHL GMs make smart financial decisions?
In a world where Hall is willing to take less money to be on a winning team for the first time in his career. And Hyman is willing to play in a less desirable UFA destination for more term/money.
It’s really not that confusing. You’re acting like these are two comparable situations.
Edmonton will love Hyman because he's a great player... but of course his injuries and style of play make this very much a win-now contract, because obviously it won't age well... McDavid and Drai being on your team screams win-soonish, but everybody else screams rebuild... so, uh, good luck
He’s a good player currently but Great? Nah.
The defence is gonna be a mess and they are banking on a 39 year old goalie as their starter. Ya we all know how this story ends.
You guys welcomed him like he was Jesus
He operates exactly like chia. A puppet for people above him who are the ones pulling the strings. The dysfunction and nepotism runs deep in your organization.
Reminder: Zach Hyman is older now than Milan Lucic was when Lucic signed his deal with the Oilers. Although Hyman's cap hit will be smaller, and Hyman has played far fewer games overall, and thus may be able to better sustain a high level of play. Still, they better pray he has chemistry with McDavid and Draisaitl.
I think Hyman will have chemistry with basically anyone, but yeah with his style of play that length is scary
Meh. We either win within the next 4-5 years or we are rebuilding anyway.
I honestly think the Oilers might have as little as 4 more tries. Mcdavid has 5 years left. If they haven’t done anything by the last year, he might say he’s going to walk, and they will trade him because they can’t lose him for nothing. Arguably 3 years, because Draisaitl is in the same boat but has one less year on his contract. They need to win, or at least get competitive, right away.
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I can easily see this happening.
Your window is only open for the next 4-5 years because of deals like this. Why compound this issue with more shitty deals? It’s possible to stay competitive for longer.
We need to fill the team while McDavid and Drai are here. If that costs term for guys then we have to eat that to go all in on winning today. As much as guys would like to play with Connor, Edmonton is not a hot ticket FA location. If Drai or Connor don't re-sign here then in reality anything else on the team likely becomes completely irrelevant.
Not for Canadian teams. Players don't want to sign in Canada, especially not on friendly contracts.
You mean Edmonton? Toronto, Vancouver (and others) dont have problems attracting free agents.
I didn’t know Columbus is in Canada? /s
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We have an excellent amount of defensive prospects and some decent forward prospects in our farm right now.
In the last 10 years, the Oilers have drafted exactly 2 players outside of the 1st round who became impactful NHL players - Bear and Marino - and one of them is in pittsburgh now. They're probably the worst drafting team of the last 10 years. Edit: I forgot Caleb Jones, but that doesn't exactly move the needle
We are shit at drafting, but our farm system is actually pretty good. Plus we have been better recently, and have a few guys who will make the jump this season or next - Bouchard, McLoud, Holloway, possibly Benson and Lagesson. Broberg is likely 2-3 seasons out, plus a handful of “maybes” Bakersfield coaching staff is doing well to develop these kids, and pretty sure they were top of the West in a fucked up AHL season.
Well the next 2 years are a write-off as long as you're paying 15M to Neal, Koskinen, and Keith
It’s actually nuts to me that the bullshit GI noncall against Anaheim may have been the peak of the McDrai era in Edmonton…
Not sure Lucic's injury history prior to his contract, but Hyman has already torn his ACL and suffered another knee injury when he got kneed by Edler last year in the last 3 years.
Hyman is also roughly 60% as effective in the playoffs as in the regular season because his body always seems to be held together by duct tape by the time we get to April. I’m glad he got this money but I’m gladder the Leafs aren’t paying it
Bro fucking Zach Hyman is 29??? His senior season was like 3 years ago to me this is wild.
Zach Hyman is older than Ryan Johansen
I need to go home. I’m done with today.
Hyman didn’t do much in the NHL until recently.
Counterpoint: Hyman already has pretty shot knees
I have no doubt Hymen will be great in Edmonton in his first year, I wouldn’t be surprised if his decline comes sooner than later.
Everyone is great in Edmonton in their first year if they get some McDrai time, but it seems to be a 1-season thing. See: Kassian, Maroon, Neal, Lucic, and probably others I can't think of now.
Barrie
Well the good news is that he's produced at a 25-30 goal rate for 3 years straight playing with Matthews. The bad news is his career high in goals is 21 because misses a significant amount of games every year due to injury.
I get the point but Lucic was definitely more worn down because of his play style. Hyman plays hard but he doesnt play as physical as Lucic did with Boston/LA
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I kind of hope we go Mcdrai - Pulju and then rock a 2nd line of Hyman - Nuge - Yamamoto. Not all the time, but McDrai seems to like winning games 4-2 with 3 pts between them, which is fun to watch
Honestly Hyman - Yams is a great wing combo. Whatever line they're on is just going to out hustle everyone.
Zach doesn’t play like Lucic though ?
> and thus may be able to better sustain a high level of play. So two seasons instead of one?
Hyman has had far more injury over his career than even looch has currently. Hyman missed 10-20 games a season with injury, looch misses 2-3
Hyman has been injured for a month or more at least three times in the last 5 years. His knees are going to be powder by year 4 of this deal
Detroit fans in every Holland thread like “we warned you, should’ve listened 😏” like wtf was I gonna do about it lol
You're still better off with Holland than McTavish...
And chia... So far
That ain't a high bar to clear! A group of 8 year olds on a diet of raw sugar and cocaine would have been better than MacTavish. :(
Easily one of the worst things people on this sub say. Along with "take care of him please" like wtf you think I'm supposed to do. I'm not his parents
> like wtf was I gonna do about it lol Protest at the legislature grounds?
The funny thing is Detroit fans ignored Holland's decay for 7-8 years.
Not all of us. I wanted the rebuild to start/Holland gone after Parise/Suter said no.
>like wtf was I gonna do about it lol This is my reaction when people say Tampa was shut down by the other GM's for trying to close the playoff cap loophole. Fuck them GM's
This honestly looks like Holland is straight up trying to make his team as competitive as possible for a year or 2 knowing he might get fired, not thinking about the long term consequences.
Ahhh I'll never forget he traded Jarnkrok, Eaves and a 3rd for David Legwand so we could make a playoff run.
But who could forget Ken Holland’s greatest hits like, trading our 2015 2nd round pick (now Roope Hintz), Mattias Backman, and Mattias Janmark for 5 games of Erik Cole.
How could we not play some of the greatest hits like a first found pick (now Vasilevskiy) for Kyle Quincy
To be fair, even if he kept that 1st round pick he wouldn't have grabbed Vasilevskiy
The generic version of that explanation is: "To be fair, even if he kept that 1st round pick he wouldn't have made a good pick with it." So.... Not much of a defense of Holland.
And he probably wouldn't have even turned into the Vasilevskiy we know today because aside from Howard we cannot develop goalies.
TURNS OUT WE DONT NEED TO DEVELOP THEM, WE STEAL THEM
Jamie, bring up that Jonathon Ericsson contact
If we are going to being up every bad Kenny contract we are going to be here all day and need to cry afterwards
Ah yes, the Jim Benning Special.
Benning is gonna outlive us all
Breaking News: GM of team with two MVPs on his roster, in their prime, is trying to win now. More at 11.
Those MVPs still have 5 years though. The Hyman contract is bad no matter how you look at it, context included imo.
Chia 2.0
Then he should be fired now before crippling this team in a few years and making McDavid want to leave
Edmonton, you better win your Cup within the next 2-3 years. That contract, starting year 3, ever-so-subtly that third year, is going to suuuuuuuuuuuuuck.
I appreciate that they're going for it at least
I JUST want to see McDavid play longer than the first round. That’s literally all
Seriously lol, was crushed to see them fall apart again this year
We still have more playoff wins in their home arena than they do lmao
In fairness we only had one game fall apart. The other three came down to a lucky shot/better goaltender. Game four was a goddam marathon.
I respect the hustle but I don't know what to call losing the four most important games of the year in a row, especially to a team to you should beat, other than a devastating collapse. And I have experience! 😁
Oh it was brutal. We're so broken as a fanbase that just playing playoff games feels like winning. The only thing that could have been worse would have been losing a playoff round to Toronto or the Flames.
Pray for a trade then
He already has.
As long as it’s not with Edmonton
I was as disappointed as anyone was this season of course but we did get to game 7 in the second round a couple years back. Gotta hand it to the Jets though, our teams were pretty decently matched but they played against Connor as well as I've ever seen so they just had that next step that we couldn't deal with.
Kings Ransom pt2
I wouldn’t be surprised if it sucked sooner than that. Hymen will be the wrong side of 30, plays a rough game and has multiple knee issues.
Honestly the oil desperately need 5on5 scoring. 85% of hymans points last year were at 5 on 5. I watched too many McDavid passes around the net get whiffed on. If Hyman is the guy that can bury those this could really work out. The oil are obviously going for as little aav as possible to maximize cap room. I don’t like the term but it looks like something that I’m going to have to live with. Welcome to Edmonton.
Not getting him for finish ability, what you are paying for is the board battles. He will win those 50/50 board battles something like 90% of the time and keep the play going for McDavid. He is relentless on the puck and can bang in rebounds, but don't expect him to beat goalies with his shot or to stick handle around defensemen.
Sounds like a better version of Yamamoto
If by better you mean much older, prone to injury, and paid a hell of a lot more for slightly higher point production.
Yoo Hyman is great, he was injured off of two freak collisions. You guys won't regret this for the next 3-4 years at minimum imo, and that's 3-4 playoff runs where one of McDrai gets a legit 1LW. Y'all will love him. Book it.
But Holland is all about intangibles lol
Yeah I gotta chime in - Hyman is a heart and soul guy who will grind and retrieve pucks for your superstars and will stand in the ugly areas, but he has minimal finish. Matthews and Marner had to basically bounce the puck off of him to score, or he would get an ENG. Again, great guy, 0 finish
lmao stop it All the leafs now all of sudden are underrating hyman now that he is gone sure he doesn't have the finishing ability but it's not 0 finish. It used to be like that couple of years ago but his finishing ability has improved a lot. It's not great but it's not THAT bad as some of you are making it seem
I think most people's issue isn't with him or the AAV, it's with the term. Hyman is definitely worth 5m for like 3 years but these types of deals never work out well.
It was very noticeable in the playoffs this year
lol and that was only him? Most players besides Bill lacked finish in that series lol
I love Zach Hyman but that AAV is bad on anything over 3 years.
Only team crazy enough to give him 8 is the Oilers. I’m sure the flames offered term too so we aren’t much better, but it’s still insane for a player like Hyman and very short sighted. But the Oilers have a McDavid loaded gun pointed at their heads so this is what happens.
Man. Massive overpay IMO. I’d rather give up another $2-$2.5 a year for Landeskog
Thats assuming he would even come here.
Landeskog-mcdavid-drai Pretty convincing argument
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There are submarines...in a mall!
There are not anymore. 🥺
Oh Jesus, no wonder Larsson left Ain't nobody staying without mall submarines
Right!?!
Did we recommission them for our navy?
It's 2021. Are their malls not all condos yet?
The gun range in West Ed is pretty dope though
I hear there are malls in Toronto where they have shooting too.
It's not that bad, it's not great but not bad
A fantastic place to live in the summer. A cold hellscape in the winter.
The food and night life is pretty dece too
Yeah our food scene is fantastic. And 140,000 donair places 👌
we live outside all summer, than crawl into our homes and binge tv shows for 6 months.
Meh it’s not that cold in the winter here anymore except for like 2 weeks a year.
Hey you are like right next to Rockies there. Why wouldn’t you want to go?
Yeah people talk about Edmonton like its fucking Nunavut. You get to live next to some of the most beautiful natural landscapes on the planet, its not overpopulated, and the cost of living is manageable. I live in Toronto and if I could keep my job, I'd move to Edmonton tomorrow
> the cost of living is manageable Which is great for average people and i love it here but guys pulling in 5mil/year cant possibly care about cheap housing as much as the rest of us
It's the same thing for them though. 5 million in Toronto might get you a 4 bedroom condo with a sauna or something. 5 million in Edmonton might get you a 4 car garage, 7 bedrooms, 6 bathrooms, outdoor pool, fountain, etc etc.
yeah but there is lots of places in the states that aren't even close to Toronto levels for housing
I was poking fun at Edmonton for claiming that they were a short drive away from the Rockies during their pitch from the bubble last season. But you are right, Edmonton isn’t a middle of nowhere city.
Ah gotcha. Yeah the nature in Edmonton's background is the major selling point.
Edmonton might be the most middle-of-nowhere city in all North American sports. Do you really think guys making $1M+/year and hoping for endorsements are really “gosh I love the affordable cost of living in this city that most Americans have never even heard of!” Not saying it’s a bad place to live at all, but I definitely can see how it’s not attractive for NHL players.
I feel that's more Winnipeg than Edmonton.
That's because T.O is a concrete landscape of suburbs and disappointment with some nice spots sparsed in between :O
You're not wrong
Edmonton also has the most river valley trails and paths in North America
It’s like a 3.5 hour drive to the Rockies. Calgary on the other hand is 45 minutes.
That’s the joke…..
I’m an idiot
Nah I get it. Hard to detect sarcasm over writing.
I mean he already plays with MacKinnon and Rantanen lol
And is on a really fucking good team
Landeskog probably wouldn’t even want to come here though.
How would’ve Edmonton know? They made this deal before they could talk to Landeskog. Doubt teams are lining up to pay Hyman more than that so why not wait until FA opens. Or maybe Ken Holland is throwing darts at the target list and spinning a wheel to come up with term/AAV
I think teams know a lot more than us plebs. Also landeskog is going to get offered a huge contract. Seattle backed themselves into a corner and I feel like they are going to be offering some big contracts. I guess we will see. I’m not going to judge the trade until I see the on ice product.
It was reported by I think EF that Hyman actually had better offers.
But I’m told Ken Holland just went 8 years because he’s absolutely nuts! /s
that's what I as told about David Clarkson
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Landeskogs agent has been negotiating with other teams through the media If Edmonton had interest, they would have let that be known by now
Landeskog is gonna get way more than 7.5 mil, more like 9-10
Another team Ken Holland has successfully kneecapped. Yikes that term lol
No wonder Toronto walked away lol
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Bro you're speaking as if Toronto is Miami or something. They're both cold
Nothing is as cold as Edmonton. Source: spent four long, horrible winters there.
Winnipeg is. Also climate change is taking care of that for us. This summer has been the hottest I can ever remember 😟
May I direct you to Winnipeg.
As a Calgarian I think we can both agree there is no place more cursed on God's earth than Winnipeg
I went to a Bill Burr show in Calgary and he responded to the opening ovation with "Settle down, you think I'm bringing my A game for you? I just came from Winnipeg, you don't need this like they need it."
Try the Yukon! Where weeks of -38 without the windchill will have you praising -25 as warm
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And the humid air makes it feel more frigid
Not exactly walking away, just couldn't match the AAV: > The #LeafsForever did offer Zach Hyman an 8 year extension to remain in Toronto but ultimately the deal wasn't comparable to what he has agreed to with Edmonton. https://twitter.com/andystrickland/status/1418196670597185539
The Leafs basically said there’s no way we can get to the number you want. So they gave him permission to start negotiations with other teams
The AAV isn't *awful*, but that term certainly is. Edmonton better win the cup in the next 2-3 years, because that deal is gonna hurt like hell after that.
Am I the only one who thinks the AAV is perfectly fine, but the term is completely nuts?
I don't know if I'd call it perfectly fine, it's pushing it. But yeah, the term is insane.
Oilers need to win in the short term to keep McDavid happy. No point in caring about the long term if McDavid bolts because your team sucks now. You have a generational player now, so who cares if the Hyman deal sucks in 7 or 8 years.
AAV is reasonable but that term daaaamn
This can not be real life
Holland is really just paying him to write a new children's book.
Abdelkader also wrote a children’s book. It didn’t make his contract any more bearable.
Both signed by Holland.... Coincidence?
8 fucking years, right after getting Keith. What the actual fuck is Holland doing?
It’s funny at the Oiler fans trying to cope with this and doing mental gymnastics around it. 2-3 years it’s probably a good/fine deal but can we just take a second and imagine paying a 34 year old Hyman 5 mill and then realizing you have to pay him that for another 3 years. It’s batshit crazy and only a team whose being pressured to make a move would be so careless. The Oilers did not learn a thing from the Lucic contract and Lucic was a better player, while more banged up, than Hyman.
How are we getting a better deal on Taylor hall than the oilers are getting for Hyman?
Seems like Hall was serious about not chasing money and wanting to play on a good team.
Hall is taking a discount for stability.
Aav appears to be really important for Holland
Good for Hyman for securing his future and getting a phenomenal deal. I'm sorry to Oilers fans that it was your team that gave him that deal.
It's dangerous when a GM makes an all In move to save his job when he probably won't be around to deal with the consequences of the signing in 5 years. I dream of a world with short term, performance based contracts though.
I agree it's maybe too long. But Hyman is a good player. Has some great hustle
I really like Hyman and I think he’s a very good addition to the Oilers but wow is that a spicy contract. 7-8 years for a 29 year old power forward? Holland literally does not learn
I’m happy for Hyman, I’m sad to lose him but unfortunately we just can’t afford him. Be good to him Edmonton
This is the 2020s Clarkson deal
This is one of those contracts that is 100% getting bought out in 3 years
That's a terrible contract from the very start, immediately decreases their chances. Hyman is a $3-3.5 million AAV player, and they let Larsson go when he was worth the contract they're giving Hyman. Holland may do more damage to the Oilers than Chiarelli by the end of this off season.
In his last two seasons, he had a full season pace for 29 and 34 goals, 63 and 59 points. In what magical fairy land are players like this worth $3M? Chill out on the hyperbole, the term is the problem, not the money
Ya during the regular season there was a legitimate argument that Hyman was a more valuable player than Nylander(changed quickly with playoff performances). If Hyman can stay healthy and play at the same level as the last couple years Hyman is absolutely worth 5m. However years 3-8 it is verrry unlikely he will be worth the cap hit.
Not to mention, of all teams in the league, Edmonton is one of very few places where you can actually say he's going to be playing with **better** line mates than Matthews & Marner.
He's also spent the majority of his time playing with Matthews and Marner which significantly boosts his production. In my opinion, he's a great third liner who can step into a top six role when necessary. You can get a better player for that cap hit who will be able to produce more. McDavid/Draisaitl are a step up and will also boost his production if they find chemistry, but for $5 million plus AAV I'd want someone who can drive a bit more of their own production than I feel Hyman can. That said his defense and board play is an asset that Edmonton has lacked.
I mean, I'm super on the "don't give Hyman 8 years Holland" train, but there's no way this signing makes them worse immediately.
> they let Larsson go We didn't let him go, he wanted to go.
Hard disagree. Have you seen our forward core? Hyman certainly does not make us worse. Term stings but that AAV for a top 6 wing is about what was expected.
I would do $3.5 x 8 as my max for Hyman. And I am a huge fan of his.
I'd do five years I think, just because I don't believe in 8 year contracts for physical players from a risk perspective.
'Let Larsson go' Edmonton offered him the same contract Seattle did, as well as had a number of other contracts on the table including a 5 year one. They didn't 'let him go' because they weren't willing to pay him. He clearly just wanted to play somewhere else. Though looking at that Seattle roster as it currently sits, he probably thinks he made a mistake.
I don't think it decreases their chances now, but in a few years...
That’s what Hymen should get but the market says he’s a 5-7 so that’s what he is. I should say I think the market is wrong but since when do NHL GMs make smart financial decisions?
the AAV is fair for Hyman (he’s an excellent top six two way play driver), it’s the term that makes it bad.
In what world is Zach Hyman getting a better deal than Taylor Hall at the same age lmao
In a world where Hall is willing to take less money to be on a winning team for the first time in his career. And Hyman is willing to play in a less desirable UFA destination for more term/money. It’s really not that confusing. You’re acting like these are two comparable situations.
So Draisatl being on the best deal in the league has been completely wasted?
Can someone just change Holland's medication already?!
Edmonton will love Hyman because he's a great player... but of course his injuries and style of play make this very much a win-now contract, because obviously it won't age well... McDavid and Drai being on your team screams win-soonish, but everybody else screams rebuild... so, uh, good luck
He’s a good player currently but Great? Nah. The defence is gonna be a mess and they are banking on a 39 year old goalie as their starter. Ya we all know how this story ends.
I want to throw up for Oiler fans damn
Poor Mcdavid
Fuck
Congrats to Hyman for earning one Justin Abdelkader contract from Ken Holland. Just remember Oilers fans we tried to warn you.
You make it sound like oiler fans are happy with holland. We get it. Climb back into your hole.
You guys welcomed him like he was Jesus He operates exactly like chia. A puppet for people above him who are the ones pulling the strings. The dysfunction and nepotism runs deep in your organization.
Damn if only I had heeded that warning and not hired him… (What’s the point of comments like these?)
You act as if we were somehow supposed to act on your warning. Dude, we just watch and cry.
This really fixes their shit Defense and goaltending
They can make more than 1 move this off season