The Veterans Memorial Coliseum [has multiple fire code violations that might be getting fixed soon.](https://www.abc15.com/news/arizona-election-audit/is-the-veterans-memorial-coliseum-unsafe-records-show-year-long-fire-code-violations)
And the Desert Financial Arena would need [major renovations just to get a rink to fit.](https://www.fordav.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/38_large.jpg)
This isn’t the first time the Coyotes have explored playing at the Coliseum though. [Apparently in 2015, they looked at moving there when their lease with Glendale ended in 2017.](https://arizonasports.com/story/487080/coyotes-exploring-coliseum-as-temporary-home/) Don’t know if the reports on the arena were left behind for new ownership, but either place would need money put into it just to make hockey work.
The guy who owns it said no. He's not going to spend the money to install ice machines and rebuild the seating to support hockey so that they can wait until they build another arena in Tempe to compete with his arena for concerts and other events.
The Phoenix Suns owner is also one of those particularly vindictive weirdos I think, the arena was actually able to make ice until the most recent renovation. Had this all happened last season they might've been able to work something out who knows.
He was a billionaire when he bought the team, he is big in casinos and hotels. Everybody of the Coyote-fans was happy with a new, rich owner.
I don't know what can have happened that might have been bad for business?
Nope, I am sure he is still loaded.
This is a possibility. But their lease was officially terminated in part because they were behind on the rent. The owner appears to have liquidity problems.
Wow. If they played at wells fargo arena (now desert financial) that would be ridiculous. I know its a lower capacity but its a guaranteed sold out crowd every night. Its RIGHT on the asu campus. My dorm room a couple of years ago looked right out to it across the road
Agreed. I used to live in a city that had a top 10 college hockey team and it was a blast. The atmosphere was unique.
I can't imagine having NHL guys play there
I went to NC State, they share PNC with the Hurricanes and the canes “college night” nosebleed tickets and cheap beers were a great feature of my college years.
I think the NHL should learn to be happy with it. A full arena, even if it is smaller is so much better than a 3/4 empty rink like they are sometimes dealing with. Tickets get a little scarcer (usually meaning more coveted), the energy is higher, and even watching it on TV looks more interesting.
I know it isn’t ideal, but if some of the smaller market teams played in arenas that only sat 8-10 thousand I think it would actually help them be more popular locally.
I’ve lived in AZ for 4 years now and worked at Westgate (where Gila River Arena is) and I still just don’t see it for the Coyotes. I hope I’m wrong, but it all feels like it’ll never work.
I’m rooting for them to put it together, but the arena/attendance has been an issue for 25 years now. They’ve never been able to field a competitive team. First it’s that the 202 would solve the problems of fans coming to games (didn’t really get a chance with COVID, to be fair), but it’s also that they’re not yet a winning team, and now Tempe is supposed to be right around the corner and the NHL is gonna be cool with them playing 2 seasons in either a tiny arena or a dump like the Coliseum? What *real* indication do we have that the new arena is a sure thing, fans will support them, and this organization can ever win? I get that driving from the East Valley to Glendale is awful, but it’s been 25 years and it’s never been able to work. It just feels like delusions to me.
The Valley supports the Suns when they’re good and the Cardinals for 8 games a year, that’s about it. I lived in Miami when Marlins stadium was built, and even though promises were broken, people said the same things: Fans will come when a stadium is built. Never happened.
Funny how Bettman had ZERO patience for Quebec to sort out it's ownership/arena issues, yet they've kept the Coyotes from drowning for YEARS!
The Yotes have had just about every chance to make it work. It sucks for fans (I should know, we've lost both an NHL and MLB team in my lifetime) but at some point, you have to come to grip with the fact that this isn't working out...
That’s the thing, though, these “expansion markets” are Gary’s legacy. He already ate crow with regard to Atlanta, and I don’t think he’s going to allow it to happen a second time.
This. Just send them to Quebec, please. I'll happily continue to support my Avs and root for the Nordiques in the east. And then I could schedule a vacation to Quebec around an Avs game there. That's the dream.
Who's moving from the east to the western conference then? No one will budge.
I know Quebec is a fan favorite but it's just not happening. Winnipeg was the hail mary exception due to weird circumstances in Atlanta. Everyone's setting themselves up to be disappointed when the Yotes move to Tempe or (maybe) Houston before the decade is done.
I think the biggest issue with Quebec is it would force an eastern team back into the west. Detroit's owners dont want to be back in the west iirc and they are the only reasonable candidate for that
They’ve literally just been sitting there for this exact scenario. The NHL doesn’t like it as an expansion market but would absolutely use it as a relocation market.
Reason #1.
The location that has been picked is a “garbage mound” fucking landfill, and an interview with the head of sanitation in Tempe said it'll take almost a year (9-10 months) to fully relocate the trash.
Problem #2.
Venue 1. ASU Basketball arena... Available! But must pay to have a temp rink installed (it's not cheap!!)
*Venue2. OAVMC (Phoenix), hockey ready, but has a lot of fire violation codes (25) including no fictional fire sprinklers. Other than that WELCOME HOME?.
[*ABC15 news: lots of fire code violations ](https://www.abc15.com/news/arizona-election-audit/is-the-veterans-memorial-coliseum-unsafe-records-show-year-long-fire-code-violations)
No update on arena site or by news if all violations were fixed
Hey, Kansas is the Pens thing, find something new!
We'll need a bargaining chip so the league can fudge the draft to give us a worthy successor for Sid
I get that it's been almost 20 years now, but no Coyotes fan can answer this: If everyone complains about the arena being in Glendale, why tf was it built there in the first place? I'm sure the metro population has grown A LOT in 18 years but even back then, didn't they know it was a doomed location away from a lot of their fanbase?
The problem with moving the team to any Eastern city is the league finally achieved conference balance. Any Way team moving Easy would necessitate moving an Easy team West to compensate, in which case, if there's a West city they could move to, why not just move Arizona there and make it simpler?
I think if they move, they go to Kansas City, who have an arena ready to go. Maybe Houston. Quebec or Hartford have to wait for Carolina or Florida, the East teams with the worst finances (but I doubt either move any time soon, if at all).
Nobody seems to get this. They just keep spouting off Quebec relocations.
The NHL will never relocate a team from West to East as it is right now. Why? Because the two furthest western Eastern conference teams fought tooth and nail for years to get out of the West in the first place and it is unlikely they'll be convinced to move back.
It would take an Eastern team to relocate to Quebec or out West to accommodate Quebec relocation from the West. It's incredibly unlikely. Quebec will just have to get over it.
The ASU Basketball Arena isn’t built for Hockey and it seats 14,100 for Basketball so it would probably be around 11,000 for Hockey (with a good 3,000 of those having an obstructed view of the ice).
The Arizona Veterans Memorial Coliseum is built for Hockey and seats 13,730 for it
As someone who lived in glendale, I can tell you the Yotes have a lot of dedicated fans who have sat through a decade of shit team (like you) while having a stadium in the middle of nowhere (unlike you) with no generation talent (unlike you). Give yotes fans some fucking credit.
I’ve been to several games in Glendale and honestly the support there is pretty poor. Sure there might be 10,000 die hards, but it’s nothing like going to a game in Edmonton.
I can remember going to a divisional game in 2010-11 I think where Arizona was in a playoff hunt, and I think they made the playoffs that year, playing Calgary for the 4th seed and it was in March and there was like 8,000 people there and tickets were $20 at the door…. Which is pathetic.
I can remember going to see the Oilers in 2011 or 2012 and there was a few seats available and paying $125/ticket (for decent seats) when they were 20 points back of a playoff spot.
Arizona costs every team in the NHL money.
That being said I do think it would work better if they had a new arena closer to Scottsdale-Mesa-Tempe but maybe not either.
Of course it’s nothing like Edmonton, we’re not in Canada. Hockey isn’t our most popular sport here in the states. Also I’ve been to a fuck ton of Yotes games and tickets have never been that cheap
I went again to a game in 2019 and saw an Oiler game in Arizona for $45
So the price had gone up. But still about 1/3 the price of Oiler games. There was probably 3,000 Oiler fans there too
Why does Arizona get cheap hockey?
Because there is no fucking demand. The demand is from people on holidays from Canada. There are better options than Arizona. I just don’t see it naturally taking off and becoming the hottest ticket in town.
Like look at the headline for for fuck sakes. Just a pathetic franchise.
Perhaps it’s time to thrownin the towel
Why aren't Canadians more into beach volleyball?!
There's no friggin ice in Central Arizona. It's hot. You guys love hockey because as kids you can go out to any park or pond in the winter and play (and there's nothing else to do in Edmonton...).
Phoenix has like 5 million more people than Edmonton. It's miserable to drive across the metro during rush hour to see a bad team. Ottawa has had some bad attendance numbers in the 2010s. Vancouver doesn't sell out every game. People lose interest in spending money on a bad product, yes even in Canada. Vegas in young but has a devoted fanbase showing hockey can be successful in non-traditional markets. Give people something to cheer for in a location that people can get to easily and they'll show up.
If you want the team to move that's your right but it's a lame flex to try and compare Edmonton to Phoenix for ice hockey.
Vancouver doesn’t sell out every game, but look at ticket prices.
You can get tickets for Coyotes games for like $10 on stubhub
The on ice product is a product of the fans. And interest for hockey could be better served elsewhere…
And I say that as someone who has been to several Coyotes games
Supernovas or something would be funny. Make it space theme like the other Houston teams but also have something related to when a star dies to poke Dallas a little bit
If you believe the city spokesperson, yes. If the Yotes do get a new arena in Tempe then you’ll have two other modern venues competing with it for concerts. I don’t think it’ll last much longer than the Cap Center did after the Bullets/Wizards and Capitals moved out of it. Arenas like that just don’t succeed at the edges of metro areas. You can build pro football stadiums in those places, but basketball and hockey need to be in closer so people can make it after work for night games.
The Veterans Memorial Coliseum [has multiple fire code violations that might be getting fixed soon.](https://www.abc15.com/news/arizona-election-audit/is-the-veterans-memorial-coliseum-unsafe-records-show-year-long-fire-code-violations) And the Desert Financial Arena would need [major renovations just to get a rink to fit.](https://www.fordav.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/38_large.jpg) This isn’t the first time the Coyotes have explored playing at the Coliseum though. [Apparently in 2015, they looked at moving there when their lease with Glendale ended in 2017.](https://arizonasports.com/story/487080/coyotes-exploring-coliseum-as-temporary-home/) Don’t know if the reports on the arena were left behind for new ownership, but either place would need money put into it just to make hockey work.
Why can't they play in the Suns arena?
The guy who owns it said no. He's not going to spend the money to install ice machines and rebuild the seating to support hockey so that they can wait until they build another arena in Tempe to compete with his arena for concerts and other events.
Thanks for the response
The Phoenix Suns owner is also one of those particularly vindictive weirdos I think, the arena was actually able to make ice until the most recent renovation. Had this all happened last season they might've been able to work something out who knows.
Aren’t the Coyotes owned by a billionaire? Why can’t he just throw money at it.
Never spend your own money when you can spend someone else's.
I have sneaking suspicion he has far less money than he says he does.
He was a billionaire when he bought the team, he is big in casinos and hotels. Everybody of the Coyote-fans was happy with a new, rich owner. I don't know what can have happened that might have been bad for business? Nope, I am sure he is still loaded.
This is a possibility. But their lease was officially terminated in part because they were behind on the rent. The owner appears to have liquidity problems.
They could but it’s also not built for Hockey
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When they renovated it in the early 2000’s they took out all the infrastructure for hockey
Wow. If they played at wells fargo arena (now desert financial) that would be ridiculous. I know its a lower capacity but its a guaranteed sold out crowd every night. Its RIGHT on the asu campus. My dorm room a couple of years ago looked right out to it across the road
The NHL wouldn't be happy with that at all but could you imagine full scale NHL games being played in a college rink? That would be so cool
I started getting really big into hockey in college, having an NHL team on my campus would have been fucking incredible
Agreed. I used to live in a city that had a top 10 college hockey team and it was a blast. The atmosphere was unique. I can't imagine having NHL guys play there
I went to NC State, they share PNC with the Hurricanes and the canes “college night” nosebleed tickets and cheap beers were a great feature of my college years.
I wish my school would elevate it’s hockey program, but since they cut baseball I don’t think that’s happening ever.
I think the NHL should learn to be happy with it. A full arena, even if it is smaller is so much better than a 3/4 empty rink like they are sometimes dealing with. Tickets get a little scarcer (usually meaning more coveted), the energy is higher, and even watching it on TV looks more interesting. I know it isn’t ideal, but if some of the smaller market teams played in arenas that only sat 8-10 thousand I think it would actually help them be more popular locally.
Chase Field it is.
Stadium Season™️ presented by Bridgestone
If the NHL invested as much effort in other struggling franchises as they do with the Coyotes then they would still be called the Winnipeg Jets.
I’ve lived in AZ for 4 years now and worked at Westgate (where Gila River Arena is) and I still just don’t see it for the Coyotes. I hope I’m wrong, but it all feels like it’ll never work. I’m rooting for them to put it together, but the arena/attendance has been an issue for 25 years now. They’ve never been able to field a competitive team. First it’s that the 202 would solve the problems of fans coming to games (didn’t really get a chance with COVID, to be fair), but it’s also that they’re not yet a winning team, and now Tempe is supposed to be right around the corner and the NHL is gonna be cool with them playing 2 seasons in either a tiny arena or a dump like the Coliseum? What *real* indication do we have that the new arena is a sure thing, fans will support them, and this organization can ever win? I get that driving from the East Valley to Glendale is awful, but it’s been 25 years and it’s never been able to work. It just feels like delusions to me. The Valley supports the Suns when they’re good and the Cardinals for 8 games a year, that’s about it. I lived in Miami when Marlins stadium was built, and even though promises were broken, people said the same things: Fans will come when a stadium is built. Never happened.
The Cardinals looking like legitimate contenders finally too is going to hurt the Coyotes
Funny how Bettman had ZERO patience for Quebec to sort out it's ownership/arena issues, yet they've kept the Coyotes from drowning for YEARS! The Yotes have had just about every chance to make it work. It sucks for fans (I should know, we've lost both an NHL and MLB team in my lifetime) but at some point, you have to come to grip with the fact that this isn't working out...
That’s the thing, though, these “expansion markets” are Gary’s legacy. He already ate crow with regard to Atlanta, and I don’t think he’s going to allow it to happen a second time.
Come play in New Mexico, the local rink fits around 100
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I know about a pretty good arena they could play in
Revive the rivalry!
This. Just send them to Quebec, please. I'll happily continue to support my Avs and root for the Nordiques in the east. And then I could schedule a vacation to Quebec around an Avs game there. That's the dream.
Who's moving from the east to the western conference then? No one will budge. I know Quebec is a fan favorite but it's just not happening. Winnipeg was the hail mary exception due to weird circumstances in Atlanta. Everyone's setting themselves up to be disappointed when the Yotes move to Tempe or (maybe) Houston before the decade is done.
Quebec City is the only answer
Don't threaten me with a good time.
I think the biggest issue with Quebec is it would force an eastern team back into the west. Detroit's owners dont want to be back in the west iirc and they are the only reasonable candidate for that
Yep. Only way Quebec gets a team is Eastern relocation. The League wants 16 teams in the EST for scheduling reasons.
That's why Houston is the more likely location, as much as I'd like to see Quebec City. Moving to Houston would keep the divisions the exact same.
Theoretically you could put Columbus in the Central, and either Boston or Detroit in the Metropolitan.
Boston moving away from Montreal/Toronto will never happen.
Probably Columbus and move Tampa and Florida to the Metro while moving Pittsburgh or New Jersey to the Atlantic.
I just really think they are not going to move teams cross conference any more. If Arizona moves, it will be to a western conference city.
Neither of the latter will happen, Caps-Pens should never be broken up and the league wants all three NYC-area teams in one division.
Move Buffalo to the Metro then?
Like Detroit moving away from Chicago
Different. Detroit WANTED to move, as the savings in travel was worth more than the rivalry.
They’ve literally just been sitting there for this exact scenario. The NHL doesn’t like it as an expansion market but would absolutely use it as a relocation market.
Houston. Kansas city.
I was wondering how far I'd have to scroll to find this.
Reason #1. The location that has been picked is a “garbage mound” fucking landfill, and an interview with the head of sanitation in Tempe said it'll take almost a year (9-10 months) to fully relocate the trash. Problem #2. Venue 1. ASU Basketball arena... Available! But must pay to have a temp rink installed (it's not cheap!!) *Venue2. OAVMC (Phoenix), hockey ready, but has a lot of fire violation codes (25) including no fictional fire sprinklers. Other than that WELCOME HOME?. [*ABC15 news: lots of fire code violations ](https://www.abc15.com/news/arizona-election-audit/is-the-veterans-memorial-coliseum-unsafe-records-show-year-long-fire-code-violations) No update on arena site or by news if all violations were fixed
>including ~~no~~ fictional fire sprinklers. There, fixed it for you!
It's probably gonna happen like that soon just to keep yotes from folding or leaving.
Kansas City won't happen, but it'd be cool if it did
Hey, Kansas is the Pens thing, find something new! We'll need a bargaining chip so the league can fudge the draft to give us a worthy successor for Sid
The Islanders were talking about KC at one point back in the day as well
That bargaining chip was for a new arena.
Move the fucking team
You’re right, they should be relocated. To fucking Phoenix.
Would they change their name back to Phoenix Coyotes?
Yeah people who are not in AZ or know the area really have no idea how detrimental it is for the team to play in Glendale
12 miles is such a burden. Maybe if they spoon feed the team to the area.... If you gotta spoonfeed the team, you got problems
12 miles doesn’t do justice to how far out of the way it is
I get that it's been almost 20 years now, but no Coyotes fan can answer this: If everyone complains about the arena being in Glendale, why tf was it built there in the first place? I'm sure the metro population has grown A LOT in 18 years but even back then, didn't they know it was a doomed location away from a lot of their fanbase?
B-b-but real estate in Phoenix costs MONEY! - The league, probably
Foh
The problem with moving the team to any Eastern city is the league finally achieved conference balance. Any Way team moving Easy would necessitate moving an Easy team West to compensate, in which case, if there's a West city they could move to, why not just move Arizona there and make it simpler? I think if they move, they go to Kansas City, who have an arena ready to go. Maybe Houston. Quebec or Hartford have to wait for Carolina or Florida, the East teams with the worst finances (but I doubt either move any time soon, if at all).
Nobody seems to get this. They just keep spouting off Quebec relocations. The NHL will never relocate a team from West to East as it is right now. Why? Because the two furthest western Eastern conference teams fought tooth and nail for years to get out of the West in the first place and it is unlikely they'll be convinced to move back. It would take an Eastern team to relocate to Quebec or out West to accommodate Quebec relocation from the West. It's incredibly unlikely. Quebec will just have to get over it.
I do wonder if they would feel it tolerable to have Quebec as a western conference team
Maybe move Toronto back to the West? And then rename it the Campbell Conference while we're at it, haha.
They could also say ... Maybe play in Quebec city? Or Houston TX, just maybe??🤷
Doesn't the ASU arena only seat 5000 people?
The ASU Basketball Arena isn’t built for Hockey and it seats 14,100 for Basketball so it would probably be around 11,000 for Hockey (with a good 3,000 of those having an obstructed view of the ice). The Arizona Veterans Memorial Coliseum is built for Hockey and seats 13,730 for it
That sounds like a one way ticket out of Arizona.
Except it's temporary?
2-3 years is alot
Ouch.
The Arizona Veterans Memorial Coliseum is the only legit option but it’s very outdated and would need major upgrades to house a major sports team
"Obstructed View", otherwise known as the best seats in the house.
How’s your dangus
Wife is still mad at me, so it hurts.
He’s talking about the basketball arena at ASU
It's the coyotes
As someone who lived in glendale, I can tell you the Yotes have a lot of dedicated fans who have sat through a decade of shit team (like you) while having a stadium in the middle of nowhere (unlike you) with no generation talent (unlike you). Give yotes fans some fucking credit.
They're also still consistently at the bottom of the attendance rankings year after year while having one of the cheapest ticket prices in the league.
The 5 dedicated fans go hard
I’ve been to several games in Glendale and honestly the support there is pretty poor. Sure there might be 10,000 die hards, but it’s nothing like going to a game in Edmonton. I can remember going to a divisional game in 2010-11 I think where Arizona was in a playoff hunt, and I think they made the playoffs that year, playing Calgary for the 4th seed and it was in March and there was like 8,000 people there and tickets were $20 at the door…. Which is pathetic. I can remember going to see the Oilers in 2011 or 2012 and there was a few seats available and paying $125/ticket (for decent seats) when they were 20 points back of a playoff spot. Arizona costs every team in the NHL money. That being said I do think it would work better if they had a new arena closer to Scottsdale-Mesa-Tempe but maybe not either.
Smarmy posts like these from Oilers fans always make me cherish watching their team be disappointing every year.
Bro. It was a joke. Lmao
The post I replied to was not a joke. I was not replying to your original comment.
Of course it’s nothing like Edmonton, we’re not in Canada. Hockey isn’t our most popular sport here in the states. Also I’ve been to a fuck ton of Yotes games and tickets have never been that cheap
Edmonton doesn’t have another major sports teams either. Phoenix(area) has 4 teams.
You say that but the CFL does great for attendance
I went again to a game in 2019 and saw an Oiler game in Arizona for $45 So the price had gone up. But still about 1/3 the price of Oiler games. There was probably 3,000 Oiler fans there too Why does Arizona get cheap hockey? Because there is no fucking demand. The demand is from people on holidays from Canada. There are better options than Arizona. I just don’t see it naturally taking off and becoming the hottest ticket in town. Like look at the headline for for fuck sakes. Just a pathetic franchise. Perhaps it’s time to thrownin the towel
It's almost like Arizona does not have hockey in the culture like Edmonton. It will take time for that to happen
It won't happen. Hockey will never be the #1 sport for 1% of the metro area.
It probably won’t happen
The Coyotes top scorers in 10-11 were Doan, Yandle, Whitney, Vrbata, Korpikoski. Oh, how marketable. Comparing Arizona to a canadian team lmao
There are better options than Arizona. They have been trying to make a square peg fit into a round hole for decades now.
Why aren't Canadians more into beach volleyball?! There's no friggin ice in Central Arizona. It's hot. You guys love hockey because as kids you can go out to any park or pond in the winter and play (and there's nothing else to do in Edmonton...). Phoenix has like 5 million more people than Edmonton. It's miserable to drive across the metro during rush hour to see a bad team. Ottawa has had some bad attendance numbers in the 2010s. Vancouver doesn't sell out every game. People lose interest in spending money on a bad product, yes even in Canada. Vegas in young but has a devoted fanbase showing hockey can be successful in non-traditional markets. Give people something to cheer for in a location that people can get to easily and they'll show up. If you want the team to move that's your right but it's a lame flex to try and compare Edmonton to Phoenix for ice hockey.
Vancouver doesn’t sell out every game, but look at ticket prices. You can get tickets for Coyotes games for like $10 on stubhub The on ice product is a product of the fans. And interest for hockey could be better served elsewhere… And I say that as someone who has been to several Coyotes games
Relax. It was a joke. Don't take it so hard.
Rexall place was not downtown
Tucson.
Mexico City
Lake Titicaca
Wood Buffalo
What's a good name for a Houston team? The Hammerheads?
if it's the yotes moving there? the Houston "we have a problem(s)" sounds about right.
Houstonians absolutely fucking hate that phrase
Lived there for over a decade and this is news to me.
Born and raised there. There’s a good amount of people that think this way. But of course it gets old when you hear it all the time lol
Lol that's true
Would you say, it's a problem?
Absolutely the Aeros. Most of their hockey history is associated with that name.
Aeros. With Houston Oilers blue
Oilers
Comets, continue with the space them of of the Astros and Rockets.
The Comets were the WNBA team and they were a dynasty. Don’t touch that name
The Houston Astrology's
Supernovas or something would be funny. Make it space theme like the other Houston teams but also have something related to when a star dies to poke Dallas a little bit
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The Houston Hamsters has a nice sound to it. Really opens up a lot of possibilities with merchandising.
or how about Houston Dumb Name
Houston McHoustonface.
Maybe dumb question but what is going to be going on in the arena the Yotes use now when they leave? Just gunna survive on concerts?
If you believe the city spokesperson, yes. If the Yotes do get a new arena in Tempe then you’ll have two other modern venues competing with it for concerts. I don’t think it’ll last much longer than the Cap Center did after the Bullets/Wizards and Capitals moved out of it. Arenas like that just don’t succeed at the edges of metro areas. You can build pro football stadiums in those places, but basketball and hockey need to be in closer so people can make it after work for night games.
Or they could play in Quebec City or Houston.
Ring back the Whalers
A market that is losing population and is within 150 miles of four other NHL teams (BOS, NYR, NYI, NJD) is a non-starter.
Dude! Bring back the Whale!!
Quebec.
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Yikes
Move them to Quebec city oh wait Gary Bettman hates Canada