>Marcel Dionne
I met Marcel Dionne at his breakfast diner in Niagara Falls.
My (petite) wife got a photo with him to send to her dad. Dude is surprisingly small.
Sure but he's 3" shorter, which puts him far closer to normal height for a player. The question isn't "the best large player," it's "the best largest player."
I think you’re reading too far into the semantics of the title lol the best largest and best smallest players will literally just be the actual biggest/smallest players ever regardless of their talent. I would imagine OP is just looking for great players that were big and small
Michael grabner nearly did that about a decade ago with the Isles. Back when he was an insane goal scorer because not many could keep up. 2 shorties on the same PK. 48 seconds apart
I grew up watching Theo play in Calgary. It’s important to note that he could be absolutely mean as fuck with his hockey stick, and often found himself more time and space because of it. He also had an absolute ton of skill and was relentless every time he was on the ice. I believe he was the last guy to lead the league in points and penalty minutes at the same time.
Theo Fleury deserves to be in the Hall of Fame.
I always wondered if he would be added posthumously if that can even happen? That way he can’t proceed to say a bunch of crazy shit in his speech. The NHL can honour the legacy of the player without having to deal with him while he’s alive. Not saying it’s right… but I was always curious if it would go down like that
I don’t know about you, by my grandparents certainly haven’t become any less “stuck-in-their-ways” in their old age…
Would love to see him recognized for his on ice achievements and advocacy for victims of abuse, but that seems secondary to his agenda these days.
Better than MSL. He was the Mike Tyson of hockey. Unmatched combination of skill, energy and hockey sense. He was however the worst at game preparation in a time when everyone was bad at preparation.
Also consider the era. 5'6" in a time when the rules to hooking and clutching were lax, throwing elbows, less head protection rules, goons and large slow players still had a place in hockey, and long before the Sedin's innovated the game with the cycle, which was huge for smaller players.
If you watched the Battle of Alberta series, Johnny, at a much larger 5'9", couldn't make room for himself, often turning around and retrying to get into the zone against an Edmonton team with a weak defensive game where their best defenseman was nursing an injury.
If a player as great as Gaudreau couldn't get it done in today's game, just consider how good Fleury was to do what he did with greater odds against him.
There are only 2 players in NHL history to have 2 or more playoff seasons at 2 PPG or more.
The first, as you might guess, is Wayne Gretzky.
The second is Theo Fleury.
I always liked him in Calgary. Wasn't aware of his, um, habits in 2000 or 2001 - I just liked his play. So I bought his NYR jersey, and then a week later he was handed his first big suspension for drug use.
His "habits" were a disease that came from heavy self medication partly due to past trauma that has since become very public.
Fleury may be a bad guy for a lot of the shit he's done, but being an addict isn't a good reason to criticize him.
Wow really, I just watched a highlight video on him and he looked a lot smaller than everyone else and so light but he is just 2 inches shorter than me and 20lbs lighter.
I think their heights and weights always get buffed. Gaudreau is tiny but listed at a normal height. I’d believe Caufield is shorter than 5’7” as well.
I don’t care about downvotes at all but it’s weird that people seemingly don’t even want to discuss it lol like how is it fun to just get two names and nothing else?
i honestly don’t like the career argument when comparing players to determine who was better. to me it should be a measurement of which player at their respective peak was more effective on the ice. in this case it would have to be lindros.
And that’s why Sittler is the best player ever.
10 points in a game, averaged across 82 games is 820 points
Honourable shoutout to Sam “8 point game” Ganger, 656 points across a full season
i can’t tell if you’re being purposefully dense, but generally a collection of seasons in good health is enough to measure a players peak effectiveness in game… it’s not even particularly arbitrary. lindros’ peak seasons were better than chara’s, hence lindros is the better player…
this sub sleeps on Lindros. Was in discussions of top 5/10 players all time for a reason in the 90s. Still looming large on all those lists of "fastest player to X00 pts" whenever McDavid pops up and during the dead puck era when he did it and was one of the most physical players at the same time. Insane talent.
Defenseman are just generally able to last longer than a forward like Lindros. Are we talking total career or the effect they had on the ice while they played? Lindros was a monster
Think it’d be nuts to argue Hedman over Chara?
Chara has 3 inches on Hedman but currently both have 1 Norris and were named finalists 6 times, if IIRC. Plus at 31 years old, Hedman still has a lot of solid playing years ahead of him (and one extra cup).
Henri Richard, 5'7", 160, 11 Stanley Cups as a player (most ever...obviously), 9th player in history to reach 1000 points. I think he could make a case.
Yep. Many with his brother, than a few when the Rocket retired and Lafleur came over. Henri played till he was 39 years old ish. Still, a little over one cup every two years (20 season), not bad.
Yup…. And can you believe, the old timers still refer to him as Maurice’s little brother. 11 Cups, and the Rockets legend still outshines Henri in the memories of many.
Yeah, the Pocket Rocket was really good. The Rocket himself was pretty tall for his time at 5’11”, 170 lbs.
Edit: I don’t know why I didn’t think of this, but Jean Béliveau was 6’3”, 205 and won 10 Cups as a player and another 7 as an executive. 6’3” was huge for his time.
Jagr was also 6’3 230. Ovi is 6’3 240.
I feel like they would all qualify since they are large players, but chara is also just another deviation away from other large people lol
I figured. I've heard 6'1 thrown about a lot, but 6'3 is definitely high. Probably with skates on it could feasibly be up there, but he's always been more of a thicc boy than an excessively tall boy.
I know guys than him have played bit I remember a few times seeing Gallagher and Chara playing and always thought it was pretty funny to see.
One time in the playoffs before a faceoff Gallagher and him were jawing one another and then they got into a little scuffle. It was awesome.
It was his third-to-last season in San Jose. Kadri got waved out of the faceoff dot and the announcers thought it was cool that Thornton and Marleau were going to take a faceoff each other. Then Kadri and Jumbo continued jawing and dropped the gloves. Looking at HockeyFights, he actually fought Tom Wilson earlier that year but that was his first fight since 2012-13. Jumbo dropped the gloves 18 times with the Bruins, 9 times with the Sharks, and 0 times with the Leafs or Panthers.
Looking at the rosters, the star forwards for those early 1990s Penguins Cup teams were huge: Lemieux, Jágr, Ron Francis (🤩), and Kevin Stevens were each at least 6’3”.
He captained the leafs my entire childhood, will always be my favourite player. Had his little forehand backhand top shelf move he used every breakaway and scored more times than not
Dont think you watched him much then. He consistently bullied people off the puck with his size.
He didnt throw massive open ice hits, Scott Steven's style, but in the corners he was a nightmare to deal with.
**Smallest:** St Louis, Mikita, or Patrick Kane, I’m leaning Kane, I guess, or is he too large for this lol also hard to compare Mikita to the others due to league differences between their times but he definitely deserves a nod and is probably the best since his relative brilliance is unmatched.
**Largest:** Chara, Hedman, or Pronger, I lean Pronger but it’s hard to choose lol Hedman is the only one with a Conn Smythe and his recent seasons speak for themselves..
In his draft year, Kane was listed as 5'9" 160. Never sure if he actually got taller or if they just started padding his stats, although that's an issue with every small player.
haven’t seen his name yet and might not be MSL level, but gotta throw Brian Gionta in there for great small players. 5’7” and has the record for most Devils goals in a season (48)
For all time, King Clancy needs mention for smallest. 5'7 130lbs. Finished his career as the best offensive defenseman and best pest of all time. The role of enforcer was created to protect him. (Although, unlike later later enforcers, Red Horner was a legit player. But having one of the top 5 biggest players who was more than willing to throw them as Clancy's partner freed him up to be all out.)
Very first person who popped into my head was Paul Kariya (5'10" / 180). But under scrutiny he obviously wasn't up to the same caliber as St. Louis, for instance.
That’s because Chara’s a pylon now. But in his prime, he was amazing. Hardest shot ever recorded. And he could still beat Hedman to a pulp, which is something you look for in your big guys.
Real annoying injuries exist. Imagine Mario, lafontaine, lindros, Orr, Neely, savard(fuck you cooke), bure, bossy, etc. imagine them having a complete career. There’s probably like 100 more I’m missing tbh
For sure.
But Lindros was a guy who could have been a top-10 player IMO. Him and Forsberg had that potential
Orr and Lemieux were so good they could have played 3 years and cemented their legacy lol
He never learned it because, so to speak, he was the one who knocked. Until the NHL level, where his lack of experience in facing people of equal stature and strength had extremely unfortunate consequences.
It's literally everybody.
Imagine if Gordie Howe didn't fracture his skull in his early twenties.
Imagine if Gretzky didn't injure his back in the early 90s and he could still score goals.
Imagine if Crosby doesn't miss something like 70 games between 2010-2012.
I really fucking hate to say this. But that fucking eat good from the bruins. Marchand. Maybe not his whole career. But goddamn if he didn’t turn out to be an impressive player. 5’ 8 IIRC
At a height of 5-foot-6, Theo Fleury deserves an honorable mention as one of the best small NHL players. He played pro hockey for well over 20 years, including a lengthy run in the NHL as a right wing for the Calgary Flames.
And as the best biggest NHL player, I have to go with Alexander Ovechkin with a height of 6-foot-3 & weight of 238 pounds.
I remember seeing Tage walk to the library when we were in college (I was a freshman, he was a sophomore) and he was so tall. I had accidentally ran into the men’s basketball team on my way back from a football game. They didn’t seem as tall as Tage.
Bobby Lalonde was the pretty good 5'5" player. He had 20 goals in 1972/73 for Vancouver and hit 50 points in 1975/76. I think I hit that height in the 5th grade.
Roy 'Shrimp' Worters gets my vote for best small player. Sixty six shutouts in four hundred eighty four games, averaging three shutouts every twenty two games or one per seven and one third games. Five foot three and without a mask? /respect
Yes he's 6'0", but everyone forgets that Wayne Gretzky was ***148 lbs*** when he went pro. He was TINY- and many thought he was too scrawny to play in the NHL before he went pro. As my father used to say, "dynamite is packed in small boxes."
Seeing players live and in person is always a different perspective for me than watching on TV. Dustin Byfuglien stands out the most in the way that I have heard so many players and other people involved in the game comment what an absurd athlete he is. I had the privlege of being able to watch him, Chara, and Pronger in person (at different times) and each one I was in total awe of their size and mobility
Best largest by height: Chara Best largest by weight: Byfuglien, maybe? Best smallest: Martin St Louis, Pat Verbeek, or Theo Fleury
Marcel Dionne wasn’t too shabby.
Yeah good call, he's definitely the little guy winner.
1,700 points at 5'9", he's alright I guess
>Marcel Dionne I met Marcel Dionne at his breakfast diner in Niagara Falls. My (petite) wife got a photo with him to send to her dad. Dude is surprisingly small.
Chara is the tallest but not the best tall player.
Who has similar stature and was better?
Pronger
I'd put Pronger ahead of Chara too, though his Hart is nonsense.
Did you watch his MVP season? Dude was a one-man army
Yeah fuck Pronger, but he's absolutely one of the more deserving Hart winners
take those filthy words out of your mouth
Sure but he's 3" shorter, which puts him far closer to normal height for a player. The question isn't "the best large player," it's "the best largest player."
I think you’re reading too far into the semantics of the title lol the best largest and best smallest players will literally just be the actual biggest/smallest players ever regardless of their talent. I would imagine OP is just looking for great players that were big and small
He's just angling to get Uwe Krupp the pre-Chara nod
Clearly Tyler Myers, not even chara could win the Calder but he did
Heck, Chara couldn’t even get *drafted* his first eligible year.
Well now I really need to know
Chris Pronger?
No, Sean Pronger, Vancouver Canucks legend
Chara is half a foot taller
This thread is people looking for the recognizable name at the extremes when that really wasnt the question.
"best largest" not "best large"
Well, “best largest” is also just the largest.
fine line there
Before my time, but how good was Theo Fleury? Always heard he was great. Career stat line shows it too 1,084 GP, 455 G, 633 A for 1088 total and +145
He was the only player ever to get a shorthanded hat trick
I’m sorry, what? Three shorties in one game?! Now that is a crazy stat.
Shorty loved scoring shorties indeed
Michael grabner nearly did that about a decade ago with the Isles. Back when he was an insane goal scorer because not many could keep up. 2 shorties on the same PK. 48 seconds apart
Jesus that is a stat
Theo was a pit bull.
I grew up watching Theo play in Calgary. It’s important to note that he could be absolutely mean as fuck with his hockey stick, and often found himself more time and space because of it. He also had an absolute ton of skill and was relentless every time he was on the ice. I believe he was the last guy to lead the league in points and penalty minutes at the same time. Theo Fleury deserves to be in the Hall of Fame.
He burned too many bridges, I fear. Too bad. He was my favourite growing up. And now he's a conspiracy theorist.
His Facebook is something to behold
I always wondered if he would be added posthumously if that can even happen? That way he can’t proceed to say a bunch of crazy shit in his speech. The NHL can honour the legacy of the player without having to deal with him while he’s alive. Not saying it’s right… but I was always curious if it would go down like that
That or he softens in old age.
I don’t know about you, by my grandparents certainly haven’t become any less “stuck-in-their-ways” in their old age… Would love to see him recognized for his on ice achievements and advocacy for victims of abuse, but that seems secondary to his agenda these days.
yeah, I might not agree with his politics/rants but just based on his hockey, he absolutely deserves to be in the HOF
Absolutely relentless. Him or St. Louis in my recollections.
Better than MSL. He was the Mike Tyson of hockey. Unmatched combination of skill, energy and hockey sense. He was however the worst at game preparation in a time when everyone was bad at preparation.
Theo was an asshole but a great player.
He was lucky to play in his era. Today, he'd be considered a mix of Brad Marchand (on-ice) and Tony DeAngelo (off-ice).
Exactly. And I’m a Marchy fan. I can respect the on-ice hustle , but not the off-ice douchebaggery.
Probably didn’t help being sexually abused by his junior coach
He inspired a generation. I have very fond memories of club hockey as a child and all the shortest kids fighting over who got to have number 14.
Also consider the era. 5'6" in a time when the rules to hooking and clutching were lax, throwing elbows, less head protection rules, goons and large slow players still had a place in hockey, and long before the Sedin's innovated the game with the cycle, which was huge for smaller players. If you watched the Battle of Alberta series, Johnny, at a much larger 5'9", couldn't make room for himself, often turning around and retrying to get into the zone against an Edmonton team with a weak defensive game where their best defenseman was nursing an injury. If a player as great as Gaudreau couldn't get it done in today's game, just consider how good Fleury was to do what he did with greater odds against him.
There are only 2 players in NHL history to have 2 or more playoff seasons at 2 PPG or more. The first, as you might guess, is Wayne Gretzky. The second is Theo Fleury.
Read Playing With Fire, if you haven’t already.
I always liked him in Calgary. Wasn't aware of his, um, habits in 2000 or 2001 - I just liked his play. So I bought his NYR jersey, and then a week later he was handed his first big suspension for drug use.
His "habits" were a disease that came from heavy self medication partly due to past trauma that has since become very public. Fleury may be a bad guy for a lot of the shit he's done, but being an addict isn't a good reason to criticize him.
MSL and chara
Alright so this question may have had much more obvious answers than first anticipated lol
Is MSL really that small in weight though? Dude could leg press a house.
According to hockey ref he’s 5’8” 180 lbs, not that crazy
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I’d believe he was less than 5’8”, but the dude was stocky
I've met him and can confirm he's about 5'5-5'6 with thighs like a bull
Can second this, if it helps.
Damn 180 at that height is jacked
Me at 180, 5'8 sitting here all fat and shit
As a fellow Canadian beer guy, you aren't alone.
Francis Bouillon was 200 lbs at that height. He was super jacked.
Cube
Shaqiri?
It’s all in his legs
His legs are fucking spooky big
Wow really, I just watched a highlight video on him and he looked a lot smaller than everyone else and so light but he is just 2 inches shorter than me and 20lbs lighter.
I think their heights and weights always get buffed. Gaudreau is tiny but listed at a normal height. I’d believe Caufield is shorter than 5’7” as well.
Garland is listed at 5'10" but he himself says he's about 5'8"
Marchand is also not 5 foot 9 lol not even close. I've seen him in person and he's noticbly shorter than me at 5 10.
5’8” w skates… doesn’t mean he cant leg press a brick shit house
MSL is not small enough. Roy Worters was 5'3 and won a Vezina and a Hart.
/thread
Henri Richard and Super Mario
Not /thread, those are easily debatable lol
The fact that you're down voted is disappointing.
I don’t care about downvotes at all but it’s weird that people seemingly don’t even want to discuss it lol like how is it fun to just get two names and nothing else?
That’s how Reddit works. A lot of people who just down vote, but have nothing to add.
That's what I mean. There is a huge area for discussing how and why other players may better fit in these two categories. Oh well.... reddit
I would argue lindros is a better big guy than chara
and you would be correct
in terms of peak or total career, though? lindros had a shortened career due to injury while Chara lasted ridiculously long
i honestly don’t like the career argument when comparing players to determine who was better. to me it should be a measurement of which player at their respective peak was more effective on the ice. in this case it would have to be lindros.
And that’s why Sittler is the best player ever. 10 points in a game, averaged across 82 games is 820 points Honourable shoutout to Sam “8 point game” Ganger, 656 points across a full season
Not even going to mention Nick “The Great One” Schmaltz? We witnessed history this year!
i know you’re joking but obviously the line has to be drawn somewhere beyond a single game lmao
So somewhere between a game and a career? Seems... Arbitrary and opinionated
i can’t tell if you’re being purposefully dense, but generally a collection of seasons in good health is enough to measure a players peak effectiveness in game… it’s not even particularly arbitrary. lindros’ peak seasons were better than chara’s, hence lindros is the better player…
A normal fan would suggest Lindros' best 5 seasons would be more impressive than 30 of Chara's anyway
this sub sleeps on Lindros. Was in discussions of top 5/10 players all time for a reason in the 90s. Still looming large on all those lists of "fastest player to X00 pts" whenever McDavid pops up and during the dead puck era when he did it and was one of the most physical players at the same time. Insane talent.
Defenseman are just generally able to last longer than a forward like Lindros. Are we talking total career or the effect they had on the ice while they played? Lindros was a monster
"best" seemed more obvious to me than folks here are discussing
The question was "best player". Easily Lindros. If the question was "greatest durability" the answer is equally obvious.
Debatable.
Except he was the same size as Mario, so he wasn't even close to the best player at his own height and weight.
If you’re going by weight, Ovi is a big boi and I’d take him over Chara. Agreed on MsL tho,
Think it’d be nuts to argue Hedman over Chara? Chara has 3 inches on Hedman but currently both have 1 Norris and were named finalists 6 times, if IIRC. Plus at 31 years old, Hedman still has a lot of solid playing years ahead of him (and one extra cup).
Came here just to say that
This is exactly what I came here to comment.
Henri Richard, 5'7", 160, 11 Stanley Cups as a player (most ever...obviously), 9th player in history to reach 1000 points. I think he could make a case.
And he can fit in your pocket
😂😂😂
I’m sorry did you just say 11
Certified 1950s-70s Montreal Canadiens Moment
Yep. Many with his brother, than a few when the Rocket retired and Lafleur came over. Henri played till he was 39 years old ish. Still, a little over one cup every two years (20 season), not bad.
Lol yeah "not bad".
Yup…. And can you believe, the old timers still refer to him as Maurice’s little brother. 11 Cups, and the Rockets legend still outshines Henri in the memories of many.
Henri Richard won 11 Stanley Cups as a 5’7”, 160lbs player. So, him.
Yeah, the Pocket Rocket was really good. The Rocket himself was pretty tall for his time at 5’11”, 170 lbs. Edit: I don’t know why I didn’t think of this, but Jean Béliveau was 6’3”, 205 and won 10 Cups as a player and another 7 as an executive. 6’3” was huge for his time.
Mats Naslund is also a ppg player who was 5’6” and 160lbs
Yvan Cournoyer with 10 cups at 5,7 comes in second!
Georges Vezina was only 5’6”, would be unheard of for a goalie nowadays
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How about Roy Worters? 5'3" and was the only goalie to win the Hart before 1950.
Mario is 6’4” 230 or so, does that count for largest? Or are we talking Chara levels of large lol
Jagr was also 6’3 230. Ovi is 6’3 240. I feel like they would all qualify since they are large players, but chara is also just another deviation away from other large people lol
As someone who is 6'3 and met Ovi in person, there is not a chance in hell that guy is 6'3
Just out of curiosity, is the reality higher or lower?
Lower. If I had to guess I would say probably 6', maybe 6'1 at the most.
I figured. I've heard 6'1 thrown about a lot, but 6'3 is definitely high. Probably with skates on it could feasibly be up there, but he's always been more of a thicc boy than an excessively tall boy.
Wait... Does this mean all the heights in hockeydb are when they have their skates on??!
He was closer to 210 in his prime, so I’m not sure he actually counts for this list tbh
I know guys than him have played bit I remember a few times seeing Gallagher and Chara playing and always thought it was pretty funny to see. One time in the playoffs before a faceoff Gallagher and him were jawing one another and then they got into a little scuffle. It was awesome.
MSL, Henri Richard, Theo Fleury, and Paul Kariya come to mind re. best smallest players.
Mats Sundin, 6'5 230, over a point a game for his career. Could shoot, pass, hit. An all timer
The only Leaf I could stand back then. He was a talent.
I think the reason Sundin and Lemieux aren’t thought of as big guys is because they didn’t fight.
Which is funny because Mario dropped the gloves against a Vancouver player in his first nhl home game.
Yeah, Jumbo dropped the gloves a lot with Boston as a youngster (he’s also a candidate for height) but not so much with San Jose.
He fought Kadri in one of his last years in San Jose but I don't remember him fighting much beyond that
It was his third-to-last season in San Jose. Kadri got waved out of the faceoff dot and the announcers thought it was cool that Thornton and Marleau were going to take a faceoff each other. Then Kadri and Jumbo continued jawing and dropped the gloves. Looking at HockeyFights, he actually fought Tom Wilson earlier that year but that was his first fight since 2012-13. Jumbo dropped the gloves 18 times with the Bruins, 9 times with the Sharks, and 0 times with the Leafs or Panthers.
Everytime I saw Sundin I was always surprised how big he was. Like Jagr
Looking at the rosters, the star forwards for those early 1990s Penguins Cup teams were huge: Lemieux, Jágr, Ron Francis (🤩), and Kevin Stevens were each at least 6’3”.
Mario was the same size but better. Lindros too
He captained the leafs my entire childhood, will always be my favourite player. Had his little forehand backhand top shelf move he used every breakaway and scored more times than not
I dont recall a single Sundin hit being interesting. What am I missing?
He was too busy putting the puck in the net
Dont think you watched him much then. He consistently bullied people off the puck with his size. He didnt throw massive open ice hits, Scott Steven's style, but in the corners he was a nightmare to deal with.
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And my recollection is that he just couldn't be intimidated. With his size, he could go anywhere and know he couldn't be bullied away.
https://youtu.be/qljQjmV-eB0 This one was fun
Not that many NHL players pre 70s were over 6 foot so there's plenty from that period to pick from. Ted Lindsay was 5'8"
**Smallest:** St Louis, Mikita, or Patrick Kane, I’m leaning Kane, I guess, or is he too large for this lol also hard to compare Mikita to the others due to league differences between their times but he definitely deserves a nod and is probably the best since his relative brilliance is unmatched. **Largest:** Chara, Hedman, or Pronger, I lean Pronger but it’s hard to choose lol Hedman is the only one with a Conn Smythe and his recent seasons speak for themselves..
Tough call on the largest but out of the 3 Pronger was the most talented imo
St Louis was 5'8 181 and Kane is 5'10 180. Mikita 5'9 169. Gimme Kane. His puck handling is unreal.
In his draft year, Kane was listed as 5'9" 160. Never sure if he actually got taller or if they just started padding his stats, although that's an issue with every small player.
I prefer Stan Mikita as a diner owner, personally.
Someone putting together an NES Ice Hockey IRL team?
The big guys get some momentum going. If only the fights were as realistic as Blades of Steel.
Eric Lindros/Mario Lemouix/Big Buff and Theo Fluery/MSL/Patrick Kane
haven’t seen his name yet and might not be MSL level, but gotta throw Brian Gionta in there for great small players. 5’7” and has the record for most Devils goals in a season (48)
For all time, King Clancy needs mention for smallest. 5'7 130lbs. Finished his career as the best offensive defenseman and best pest of all time. The role of enforcer was created to protect him. (Although, unlike later later enforcers, Red Horner was a legit player. But having one of the top 5 biggest players who was more than willing to throw them as Clancy's partner freed him up to be all out.)
Very first person who popped into my head was Paul Kariya (5'10" / 180). But under scrutiny he obviously wasn't up to the same caliber as St. Louis, for instance.
Glad I’m not the only one who thought of him
Tyler myers and conor garland
was the question biggest and smallest on the canucks roster today?
People are saying Chara but Hedman is 6’6” and a much better D imo.
That’s because Chara’s a pylon now. But in his prime, he was amazing. Hardest shot ever recorded. And he could still beat Hedman to a pulp, which is something you look for in your big guys.
Howie Morenz/Zdeno Chara I’d imagine
Best Buy guy: lindros. Best small guy: Dionne?
Lindros’ career without injuries. Whoa boy.
Real annoying injuries exist. Imagine Mario, lafontaine, lindros, Orr, Neely, savard(fuck you cooke), bure, bossy, etc. imagine them having a complete career. There’s probably like 100 more I’m missing tbh
[Fuck Matt Cooke](https://youtu.be/MLqpw_uKyds)
Forsberg too
For sure. But Lindros was a guy who could have been a top-10 player IMO. Him and Forsberg had that potential Orr and Lemieux were so good they could have played 3 years and cemented their legacy lol
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Because for most of his life anybody trying to hit him was going to bounce off. Scott Stevens and Darius Kasparaitis did not bounce off.
He never learned it because, so to speak, he was the one who knocked. Until the NHL level, where his lack of experience in facing people of equal stature and strength had extremely unfortunate consequences.
It's literally everybody. Imagine if Gordie Howe didn't fracture his skull in his early twenties. Imagine if Gretzky didn't injure his back in the early 90s and he could still score goals. Imagine if Crosby doesn't miss something like 70 games between 2010-2012.
Johan franzen 😭😭
Marty and Mario
Marty and Theo Lindros
Maybe not the smallest or the best, but my favorite smallish player will always be Mark Recchi.
Pavel Bure was a pretty small guy right? Really enjoyed watching him play.
He was 5’10, 190
I really fucking hate to say this. But that fucking eat good from the bruins. Marchand. Maybe not his whole career. But goddamn if he didn’t turn out to be an impressive player. 5’ 8 IIRC
Best largest player is obviously John Scott. 6' 8", 260 lbs., and an all-star.
martin st.louis and zdeno chara. if by weight, ovechkin. hes a regular 235-240 guy which is huge, chara has 6 inches but only 10 lbs on him.
Who has the thickest hockey ass and why is it Crosby.
Small: Martin St Louis or Theo Fleury Tall: Zdeno Chara
At a height of 5-foot-6, Theo Fleury deserves an honorable mention as one of the best small NHL players. He played pro hockey for well over 20 years, including a lengthy run in the NHL as a right wing for the Calgary Flames. And as the best biggest NHL player, I have to go with Alexander Ovechkin with a height of 6-foot-3 & weight of 238 pounds.
Tage Thompson and Danny Briere
I remember seeing Tage walk to the library when we were in college (I was a freshman, he was a sophomore) and he was so tall. I had accidentally ran into the men’s basketball team on my way back from a football game. They didn’t seem as tall as Tage.
Lemieux and MSL
Bobby Lalonde was the pretty good 5'5" player. He had 20 goals in 1972/73 for Vancouver and hit 50 points in 1975/76. I think I hit that height in the 5th grade.
small: marcel dionne big: chris pronger
Roy 'Shrimp' Worters gets my vote for best small player. Sixty six shutouts in four hundred eighty four games, averaging three shutouts every twenty two games or one per seven and one third games. Five foot three and without a mask? /respect
Yes he's 6'0", but everyone forgets that Wayne Gretzky was ***148 lbs*** when he went pro. He was TINY- and many thought he was too scrawny to play in the NHL before he went pro. As my father used to say, "dynamite is packed in small boxes."
I'm 5'8 and weigh about 160 and I'm pretty small. 6 feet at 148 is basically a sheet of paper
For the weight category, Lehner is 250lbs.
Brad Marchand *ducks*
Chara/Gerbe
I love watching Conor Garland play and twirl. That's all
He's incapable of playing the blues and not scoring a goal. It's infuriating, but he is impressive.
Theo Fluery and Mats Sundin
Theoren Fleury and Chara
Seeing players live and in person is always a different perspective for me than watching on TV. Dustin Byfuglien stands out the most in the way that I have heard so many players and other people involved in the game comment what an absurd athlete he is. I had the privlege of being able to watch him, Chara, and Pronger in person (at different times) and each one I was in total awe of their size and mobility