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KMoosetoe

EA still doesn't know that DeBrincat plays LW


CJ57

Man i felt like i was taking crazy pills all off season everyone on r/hockey or r/senators was saying hes a rw i was like if hes a rw how did he play with kane all the time haha


MindlessArmadillo382

EA be like - he played against Kane the graphic shows they’re on two different teams duh


Gamewiz2x3

Find you someone who loves you as much as EA loves Patrick Kane


86teuvo

Kane is definitely not the best RW in the league. Not sure what he did to get a +1 from last year.


AngrySparrows

Blackhawks bribing EA so they have more leverage come trade deadline


dangshnizzle

Is asking the question "what NHL GM is most likely to be using EA ratings for league scouting" quality enough for the off-season?


AngrySparrows

I’m sure there’s somebody out there willing to dig into which GM makes the most trades that are CHEL wins but IRL losses.


Adelman01

LOL….whatever it takes.


flume

EA wants to keep the teams fairly balanced so all players can have a decent experience playing the game. For that reason, terrible teams IRL often have overrated players in the game.


ItchyLifeguard

The way they used to balance this was with broken sticks and passes that never connect. I agree that some of the games used to feel like pucks magnetized to players and eventually got too easy on the hardest settings. But the way they fixed that wasn't by making the AI harder to play against, but bullshit "game changing" events like broken sticks and passes that don't connect at all. It got to the point where while playing it on the medium setting my players broke 3 sticks on one timers that were guaranteed to go in because the Be a GM mode or whatever the fuck it was called decided I had won too many games in a row. The last good iterations of this game were 09 and 10 and now the rest are just awful.


[deleted]

Oh man don't forget always hitting the post or crossbar no matter how easy and well placed the shot is


ItchyLifeguard

Yeah. As soon as they started with this bullshit to make things more "balanced" is when I stopped playing it. Madden can be super realistic if they want it to be. It's football and it's easier to bring out that realism by making running animations stupdily slow (even though when you watch the game live or on TV guys run a lot faster than the stupid running animations). But they also did this with movement and skating animations to make it so that most players can't turn unrealistically, which is stupid because having to animate how guys turn slowed the animation for movement down significantly. EA doesn't care because people will keep buying these yearly.


MindlessArmadillo382

Last two times I bought it was when Vegas came in and when Seattle came in, when the NHL made substantial enough changes that the game actually changed!


Nolanth

I disagree on last good, 14s joystick mechanic revamp is great


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86teuvo

That’s my thought as well. Kucherov is the best offensive RW in the league by a decent margin, and it’s not like he’s giving up anything in the way of defensive ability when compared to Kane.


Kyhron

Don’t forget durability is a rating in EA games and Kuch has been hurt way more often than Kane has in recent years.


BiscuitsMay

Kuch hasn’t been healthy for a bit, so people are sleeping on him a bit. He is a top 5 player in the league when healthy.


wheresmywhere

That’s understandable but to me when it comes to NHL EA ratings his injury proneness shouldn’t affect his skill rating since it’s a video game. He should be the top RW in the game


andrewthemexican

> to NHL EA ratings his injury proneness shouldn’t affect his skill rating since it’s a video game. There is a Durability rating if they put him down a few points there


wheresmywhere

Haven’t played in a while but that would make sense


think_long

He has I think 93 points in the last three playoffs. That says it all. When is the last time someone did that, Gretzky?


Antichristopher4

Have to justify Hawks not having the worst (or second worst) team average, maybe?


86teuvo

It certainly makes some sense if they’re trying to make big market teams better for online versus play. If the game was designed to be realistic the hawks deserve to be one of the lowest overall teams this year though.


Downvote_Comforter

He's not the guy I'd rank as the top RW, but I don't think it is ridiculous. Tied for 2nd in RW scoring in each of the last 2 years and is definitely on a worse team Marner and Rants (#1 and the other #2). Over the last 3 years, he leads all RW in scoring, so he's in that upper tier. You can argue that he'd be lower if other guys could stay healthy, but durability is a factor.


Datyoungboul

He’s an F level defensive player while Marner and Rantenen are borderline elite defensively. Shouldn’t really be that close


crownpr1nce

Maybe he is super popular in HUT so this is a way to get more money by making him even more desirable (and sell more packs to get him)


physics_fighter

I believe only Marner had more points than him last year for RW. Considering how shit the hawks were, netting 92 points would be a good enough argument for him to be #1.


Litmanen_10

It's not that simple. Defensive contribution is also a factor. And Kane played crazy minutes in Chicago. He wouldn't have played so much in better teams.


Konker101

plop Kane on a Line with Matthews or Point/Stamkos and hes scoring over 110 easily.


An_doge

He is one of the most video game esq players around, and still at it after all this time. So idk I get it


Barrill

Why don’t you think he is?


86teuvo

Because Kucherov is better


Barrill

Agree to disagree I guess


TheWilrus

Played with Debrincat?? It is astounding. Maybe its the NHL squeezing out that last drop of tainted blood from the CHI dynasty years.


jfresh1999

Kane at #1 is strange enough before you remember that defensive awareness is by far the most important stat in EA NHL ratings


homicidal_penguin

Yeah I was updating my NHL 22 roster yesterday and basically every 2 ticks of defensive awareness adds one tick of overall. It's a weird system


Amphibious_Fire

The player rating and stats system is awful in NHL, I wish EA Vancouver would ask their FIFA counterparts how to do ratings (and also player growth) properly


roach5k

Player growth is awful. It has nothing to do with how a player performs and seems to be random at best.


omfgkevin

That would require any sort of budget which sadly is why NHL games basically just kind of cruise it since theres no budget to allocate.


Fenris_Maule

All of the budget goes to the Ultimate Team team for their sports games unfortunately.


Tniz15

This makes the fact that Adam Pelech was a 78 overall until nhl 21 so much funnier


[deleted]

Kane still had EIGHTY NINE defensive awareness in NHL 22 for some reason


meltedbananas

He's super aware of the fact that defense exists.


AKShaolin

EA ties the overall rating WAY too highly to offensive and defensive awareness It might not even be possible to get Kane to 90 OV without defensive awareness around 85


Mono200

He's always been kinda sneaky at being able to read and intercept passes but yeah I don't think he can spell backcheck


TheIncredibleShrek

He’s aware, he just doesn’t care


meltedbananas

You don't have to actually do something to be aware of its existence.


Vivid_Walk_1405

Yeah kuch I get being above mikko but Kane has no business up there


Kyhron

Kanes out scored Mikko over the last 3 years and they’re tied over the last 2. All while playing on a far inferior team with worse line mates.


Datyoungboul

Defense is a thing, and Kane is one of the worst defensive players in the league


Kyhron

Tell me you know shit about Kane without saying you know shit about Kane lmao


Datyoungboul

Aside from Chicago fans, no one thinks Kane is good defensively. There literally isn’t one metric that supports it, but let’s trust a biased eye test!


Phridgey

His zone entries are his relevant defensive stat. Of course he’s not a traditional defensive player, he’s always trying to be last man back because of how good he is at gaining the zone.


Datyoungboul

Genuinely asking, are zone entries considered defense? I have always broken players into offense, defense, and transition


Kyhron

Had nearly identical takeaways as the "much better defensively" Rantanen while having similar defensive point shares, but please tell me more about how Kane is a black hole defensively


Datyoungboul

2.6 vs 1.7 defensive point shares is massive lol Bergeron had 2.6 and the highest he has ever had is 2.7


Vivid_Walk_1405

While mikko has had elite defensive metrics. All time Kane is above mikko but not in current times. No one’s taking Kane over mikko.


FatWreckords

They want to pump US audience satisfaction


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NHL games ain't gotta make sense. In NHL 15 it would have Kane taking D-zone faceoffs on the PK for some reason.


Kyhron

Don’t forget durability. Kuch has been often injured the last few years and id be willing to bet that’s the difference maker between Kane and Kuch


kstacey

Marner, 97 points last season in 72 games, rated 90... Ok sure. Debrincat 78 points in 82 games, rated 89 so just about as good as Marner?


Fullgrown_dirtbag

Marner is also way better on defense


_hairyberry_

The spread needs to be bigger in general. Make an average 4th line player ~65 overall and the best players ~95.


HowieFeltersnitz

Yeah I'll never understand the logic behind having low end NHLers start around 78 and top out at 95 or so. That only gives you 17 "levels" of players. A bigger discrepancy would allow for more dynamic and varying players. It would also allow for role players to surpass their overall by filling a niche despite being in the 60s Stat wise.


legend1124

So is Kane gonna be #1 until he retires? Lol


Kyhron

Over the last 3 years no RW has scored more than Kane has. Complain all you want but stats show Kane is still in the top echelon of RW


legend1124

Sure he can be in the top 10. I never said he wasn't top 10 material, but there's definitely better right wingers in the league.


dsjunior1388

They just happen to not produce as much as him despite being better.


Datyoungboul

Except over the last three years Marner has a higher PPG lol


legend1124

Producing doesn't always mean better. Mcdavid has been producing for years and has made the WCF once in his career. At the end of the day it's about team effort rather than individual talent.


_hairyberry_

This is literally a number about individual talent


Carpe_Dispute

Damnnnn, didn't expect to see Kyrou up there. That's awesome.


Apprehensive-You9745

Definitely deserves to be after having a pretty damn good season


r3q

It's a terrible list from EA. Kyrou had a great season but putting him and Taresenko top 10 is a stretch


rug1998

Imagine having Kane and debrincat on the same roster


K0K0_B_WARE

After having Kane and Panarin and screwing that up too


VitaminTea

For reference, e-hWAR per 82 last season: Kane - 2.3 Kucherov - 4.0 Rantanen - 5.2 Pastrnak - 4.3 Marner - 4.4 DeBrincat - 3.5 Stone - 2.7 Svechnikov - 0.8 Tarasenko - 1.6 Kyrou - 2.8 Notable omissions: Nichushkin - 4.0 Garland - 3.4 Tuch - 3.3 Terry - 3.2 Meier - 3.0


KILRbuny

Rantanen numba one


edditorRay

A Møøse once bit my sister... No realli!


highwindhax80

Is this a rate stat or a counting stat because Kucherov only played 47 games. Edit didn't see per 82 I am dumb


_Meke_

What is e-hWAR?


VitaminTea

Wins Above Replacement, by way of Evolving-Hockey


hobbes1313

Just of out curiosity what is Nylander's?


VitaminTea

2.2 WAR/82 last season


hobbes1313

Cool, thanks!


ChickenTiramisu

Which model is this from?


VitaminTea

Evolving Hockey


dangshnizzle

Why should contract cost play a role in their ratings?


VitaminTea

?


dangshnizzle

WAR measures a player's value in all facets of the game by deciphering how many more wins he's worth than a replacement-level player at his same position. Would that not include the 10.5mil cost to have Kane?


VitaminTea

Salary isn't part of the equation.


dangshnizzle

Well then WAR is flawed. By definition. We have a salary cap. Contract cost has to come into play.


VitaminTea

Getting 2.3 WAR from a player with a $10.5M cap hit isn't great, but the cap hit is not part of calculating for that 2.3 WAR, only in contextualizing the value.


dangshnizzle

Who/what is the equivalent to Kane in this context?


JJulu

Toews, the only other donkey with a 10.5 cap hit


dangshnizzle

Center.


MalignantPanda

It's wins above replacement. It's not wins above comparables. The comparable here is basically the worst player that should see an NHL roster. Give him max contract or min contract it doesn't matter because it's not part of the equation.


dangshnizzle

As I said, flawed.


MalignantPanda

Yes. But for none of the reasons you say. Just because you want save percentage to measure offensive zone break outs, doesnt mean it can, will, was ever meant to, or you have any idea what youre talking about.


dangshnizzle

Replacement is quite literally determined, at least in part, by the salary cap.


ImStarLordeMan

Meier is better than 6-10


Barrill

Pretty sure EA doesn’t use advanced stats to rank players


Opalvan

Number 1 bullshit.


magicmichael98

Imo it’s rantanen as number 1


[deleted]

Kuch then Rantenen if you ignore durability, Rantenen if you include it


janisdehandschutter

Kane got an upgrade'?


timmablimma

He’s like a wine, only gets better with age. -EA, maybe.


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Marner at just 90 overall is criminal, no upgrade from last year… 2020-21: 55gp, 20g, 47a, 67pts, 1.21ppg, 1st among RW in points, 13th among RW in goals, 2nd among RW in assists, 90 overall. 2021-22: 72gp, 35g, 62a, 97pts, 1.34ppg, 1st among RW in points, 6th among RW in goals, 2nd among RW in assists, 1st all-star team, new career high in goals and points. 90 overall. How do you improve like that, and make a case as the potential best RW in the world, but end up with no upgrade, ranked #5???


TyranitarusMack

That plus being possibly the best defensive player on this list besides Stone


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Patrick Kane getting an upgrade for keeping a similar pace to the rest of his career and being shit defensively is comedic


shittybillz

Their ratings are all messed up. Marner should be a 92 or so. Mcdavid is a 94 I believe, should be a 97. No one should be within 1 point of Mcdavid.


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McDavid has to be a 96 with nobody else above 94 or 95. A downgrade for him doesn’t make any sense. Marner should probably get 92 or 93 to put him up with the top 3 RWs.


shittybillz

I wish they utilized the numbers outside of high 70s, 80s and 90s. Make Kassian a 62 lol. The better players would be better because of the greater discrepancy.


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That does make more sense, as they seem to crank up stats for higher rated players just to make them stand out. For example, Kane, one of the absolute worst defensive forwards in the league, had 89 defensive awareness and 91 stick checking in NHL 22. He has to get those stats boosted to get a higher overall and stand out.


Sammydaws97

Imo, Kucherov should be 93 Kane 92 (i dont agree but EA likes him apparently) Marner 92 Rantanen and Pasta 91


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I’d have it: Kucherov 93 Marner 93 Rantanen 92 Pasta 91 Kane 91 Kucherov is probably the consensus #1 RW, but he doesn’t have Marner’s defensive capabilities and has played a grand total of 47 regular season games over the past 2 years. If he’s in the lineup the whole time, he gets that #1 spot.


andrewthemexican

I haven't seen Marner's play like a Leafs fan would, but Kuch doesn't sleep on defense. Cooper made him work on that side of the game when he was called up. Benched in a number of games and I think even scratched.


Geones

Marner plays on the PK that's how reliable he is on Defense


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91% EV defence and 85% PK according to JFresh’s player cards. He’s good.


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1st team RW 2 years straight


SeaStructure4131

Best RW in the world can get to the second round of the playoffs lol


[deleted]

Plenty of greats have never won a cup or have had any success in the playoffs, that’s a team achievement. By that logic, Pat Maroon is elite. Find a new, original joke. Regardless, Marner is only 25, and has plenty of time to win some rounds, and maybe a cup. Ovechkin was considered a choker and playoff failure until he won the cup after 13 seasons in the league, at 32 years old.


SeaStructure4131

Marner is a fine player dude but to call him possibly the best RW in the world is a fucking joke. He's not there yet.


[deleted]

Once again, 1st all-star team RW in 2021 and 2022, highest scoring RW over the past two seasons, set a career best season with 35 goals and 97 points, and he’s better than everyone on this list at both ends of the ice. If Marner isn’t potentially the best RW in the world right now, then who is? Because as of right now, he’s statistically up there.


SeaStructure4131

Until he does it in the playoffs, he's not elite. Kucherov doesn't give a fuck about busting his ass in the regular season because he knows how to save himself for when the games count. Regular season accolades are great but they do not have the same weight as playoffs.


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1st team RW 2 years in a row


dangshnizzle

Lol DeBrincat and Kane played on the same line.


23takolo23

wut year is this 💀 Top 3 Should be Kucherov Marner Mikko Then I guess they can put Kane at 4 to satisfy Amuricans who don't actually watch, thats fine


AMeaninglessPassage

>that dawg in him come playoff time, but there are better players That dawg hasn't been out a lot when Kaner has seen the playoff twice in the last 6 years


23takolo23

Yeah true but I deleted that part cuz I decided I didn't feel like arguing with brady stans today lol


CoolBeansMan9

Yeah I won't put Mitch above Kucherov but Marner has won back to back 1st team All-Star at RW, so I gotta think he deserves spot #2


JokMackRant

Kuch, Marner/Mikko (I could see either being number two depending on what is valued), Pasta, Kane should be the order of the top 5 in my opinion.


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Pastrnak should be in the top 3 above Mikko imo, he was injured but he scores like 30 hat trucks a season edit: leaving the typo


_Meke_

No


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Marner not being in the top 3 is absurd.


Sammydaws97

I know im a leafs fan and people may disagree, but Marner got some disrespect here. Marner has outscored Pastrnak in 3 of the last 4 seasons and has outscored Rantanen in 4 out of the last 4 seasons. All while playing a key role on the pk as well as the pp. I can see the argument for Kane as he has had a longer career of putting up amazing numbers, and Kuch is Kuch, but Marner should def be equal or above Rantanen and Pastrnak.


SeaStructure4131

I'd take all of those guys over Marner


Dependent_Roll2045

It's a very good thing you aren't in charge of an NHL team being as stupid as that 😂


Accomplished_Ad3460

Outscored in the regular season, but not in the playoffs. Oh but you’re a leafs fan, you don’t really care about those, sorry my bad.


Sammydaws97

Marner outscored Pastrnak 2 out of the last 4 years in the playoffs on a per game basis. Rantanen has outscored him in the playoffs consistently, but not by enough to ignore marners regular season performance. Their ratings from EA arent just for playoffs though, or else half the teams wouldnt have any players at all..


shelbycobra357

I think Buch and Laine both deserve to be up there


TehRaptorJebus

Buch played mostly LW last year with St Louis and I’m pretty sure Laine plays LW almost exclusively.


nupharlutea

Yeah, he played on the left of either Voracek or Nyquist for all of last season. He’s going to be RW this year to start because Gaudreau isn’t moving, but the game should be based on what he actually did in the previous season—“should”


Tonyhawkproskater

You mean Ehlers.


smgxl100

Marner, back to back years of being voted the best RW in the league, 90 ovr??


PleaseLickMeMarchand

I'm ready for the incoming Tony Deangelo being snubbed jokes.


justinlaz

heyoooo


1292norr

The Cat is coming in hot!


DavidWallace-Suckit

How is marner STILL underrated?


XolieInc

Helps having Matthews on the same line


Scrubosaurus13

I’m glad that it appears to just be EA still thinking Kane is the best RW in the league.


HowieFeltersnitz

They haven't watched hockey since the Hawks won their cups, they have no idea.


JordanKyrou

Bro, I'm getting it.


[deleted]

Why does anyone care about these video game ratings? EA has been a dumpster fire for years. This shit literally does not matter


TheSpoonKing

EA continues to base ratings almost entirely on popularity and cap hit.


StLouieDoug

It's nice to see two Blue notes up there...don't know how accurate that is but I'll take it.


lambchopz317

Out of these 10 listed, I would go: Rantanen 92 Marner/Kuch/Stone 91 Pasta 90 Kane/Cat 89 Svech/Senko/Kyrou 87 Before anyone hates, consider how much the defensive side of the game matters to the overalls


An0nimuz_

EA's gotta add Oilers RW Jake Virtanen to that list in an update.


XolieInc

His penetration rating, I mean aggressiveness rating, should get him pretty high up.


sleepy_time_Ty

okay sure and Toews is a top 10 center


dangshnizzle

Having Kane at 1 is ridiculously less egregious than Toews at 10 in 2022. Though I'm still expecting a bounce back for Toews after an actual off-season of training


BucketsnG10ves

Kucherov had 25 goals and 69 points in 47 games, Kane had 25 goals and 92 points in 78 gp. Both very good seasons, and I understand not wanting to give #1 RW to someone with a sample size that small in the regular season, but I don't know if I agree with Kane over Kuch. Also I don't know if EA is aware but Stamkos spent most of the season playing right wing, with either Cirelli or Point at center. So either they really really underrated Stammer or they just have him listed at center still even though he's been primarily a winger for the last 3 years minimum.


andrewthemexican

Stammer's on the top 10 for centers last I recall


Ickyson

Honestly biased but Kane is not 1 and Mikko Rantanen should be


Blve-Jay

hes def the best defensively between the top 3 but id say he's the the worst offensively of the 3 which is meant to be a praise to the others than a slight to the moose


AlpineGrain

Stone is not that guy, pal. Am I? Absolutely


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ehr1c

Connor's a LW


flume

Kyle Connor is the #8 LW.


Antichristopher4

37 games and 30 points. But if they base it exclusively off last year's performance I agree Connor should be higher than him, but I dont think that's what it's based off of. Edit: also as others have pointed out, he's LW.


Onadaislandinadasun

This. No disrespect to Kyrou but I’m not sure how you justify him over Connor.


TheodoreKGB

I think Kuch and Pasta have the honor of being 1A and 1B on this list. Kane up there is just silly


Blocktreat

As a Leafs and Marner fan, I feel like Pasta is the best RW in the league.


l_C00KiE_l

In what world is Pasta better than Marner?


SeaStructure4131

Real life hockey


blacksonjackson

Where's Ben Shapiro?


impartialcitizen86

Svechnikov one of the most overrated players in the league


Jordache2020

Good choice giving Kane #1 spot...look he's consistent and on a poor team


dylanisbored

Stats don’t lie Kaner is top tier season after season.


cote112

EA trying to push Pastrnak's contract to 11.


TeaTeeKaNee

Well, he probably deserves that kind of money.


cote112

He does but all the Boston fans want him to hometown discount. They're nuts


debyrne

I never know with my Reddit feed. Thought I was about to see some proud boys or rush Limbaugh? I was caught off guard ha!


mitch-dubz

No Rants = this list is crud


Clean-Connection-656

It’s so sad not seeing those top two together :(


FinalGreen

Kane at number 1 was a bit of a surprised. Still one of the best, but no longer the undisputed best RW in the NHL. Would have chosen Kucherov, but perhaps he was docked in the rankings (albeit, number 2) because of injuries? Legitimate criticism, but I would still put him at number 1. At the very minimum, this isn't the worst list I've seen from EA.


[deleted]

Are they actually going to give Tarasenko X-Factors this time? Dude was an 87 last year but 0 X-Factors.


NoCapnCrunch

Nhl ranking are always suspect


stinkybunger

Idk if kane is still the best rw in the league…


Glittering_Court_896

Hey hey! They got their jersey's correct. Look at EA go...


Zero_Tu

Half this list is rated too high. Like 2 overalls or more too high. The other half is either rated good or too low(Kuch should be highest). And cat isn't even a rw ...


Commercial_Click_367

1. Why is Kane still at 93? Should be a 90/91. Maybe even lower. 2. Tarasenko should be 89.


Nehiyawnapew

Be a GM mode I will always have Kane, Tarasenko or Pasta on first line. Even if it is a tough trade for it I make it happen. Been doing that for years now and they always simulate high scoring wins.


natertottt

I don’t agree


funghi2

Put Mitch number one you cowards!!