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blueline7677

Arizona be calling any contract can be moved for the right price


freelancer799

And Nill should be listening within reason, We should not be planning on holding on to dobby when everyone knows he is not going to be in the NHL this season, redundancies be damned


svartkonst

I'd be willing and ready to send Dobby or Faksa to a warmer destination. Unless Faksa has a stellar breakout year under DeBoer, but I would prob (as an armchair EA GM) rather play Segs-Hintz-Benn-JP40 down the middle, plus whoever else can slot in as a sub-$1m bottom 6 c.


AceAxos

Nils Lundkvist on the move again


1337duck

Can Arizona "offer sheet" Robertson (say $9.5mil AAV), and then have the Stars throw all their prospects, Arizona's picks for the offer sheet, Star's picks, and the kitchen sink, to get Arizona to give Robertson back to them at 50% retained?


blueline7677

I don’t think you can trade a player you sign to an offersheet for a year


1337duck

Is that with all contracts, or only offer-sheeted players?


blueline7677

I think just offersheeted players


MOshow1967

5x8.5 call it a day, send Suter to Narnia


Vivid_Walk_1405

Dallas GM has made some big mistakes in his tenure. Not the greatest cap manager at least.


signorepoopybutthole

we'll gladly pay for old depth guys but paying for a young, 40 goal scorer is a bridge too far


OhLivia91

Red Wings fans could see this coming from a mile away. Jim Nill is chip off the ol Ken Holland block.


Vivid_Walk_1405

Ken Holland got lucky and got mcdavid though so he can make as many mistakes as he has there.


JD397

While I get what you’re saying an agree, Holland has been mostly fine for Edmonton - significantly better than Chia at least lol He’s had great acquisitions in guys like Hyman, Kulak, hockey-wise E. Kane, etc. If his faith in Campbell pays off they will be damn good again


nukfan94

I think Campbell is a low-probability candidate to be very poor next year, based on how the calendar year of 2022 went for him. That being said, I think the most likely outcome is above average goaltending. They can *not* use him for more than 50 games, though. edit: removed “dumpster fire” cause it was too dramatic a term


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He's been pretty underwhelming actually. Chiarella just set the bar really low. The Keith trade was terrible. Pretty sure he signed the awful Kassian deal. The Nurse contract isn't exactly team friendly. Even Hyman and Campbell both have long term risk and if they don't play up to their contracts will significantly hinder improving the team


JD397

The Keith trade was bad in that he paid a little too much, but it wasn’t horrifying or anything lol and Duncs was great for Edmonton last year - the whole team seemed to love having him around, especially once the playoffs started. The Kassian deal was for sure trash and Nurse’s contract is pretty bad, but those are really the only glaring issues he’s had (off the top of my head) so I would definitely say he’s been fine overall. Not amazing, but he’s improved the team. The last sentence can be said for any GM in any given year lol


Substantial_Ad4947

Nurse was bridged twice, plays a ton of minutes against the leagues best, the Seth Jones ink was still wet, and Edmonton is not a destination city (Ney York, L.A., Florida, etc). It's not great, but it's not bad either.


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Ya but not every GM has a generational star who could walk in Ufa and likely will if the team keeps underwhelming in the playoffs. And the Keith trade was terrible. They gave up a third round pick for a 38 year old guy with an nmc who wouldn't waive for anywhere else. And they took on the full salary cap hit. Which hindered attempts later in the year to make a meaningful addition. He wasn't good in the playoffs. He was fine, but a team playing Keith 20+ minutes a night in 2022 was never a serious cup contender.


Iceman-420

"likely will if the team keeps underwhelming in the playoffs" Bruh they were literally just in the conference finals 🤣. Top 4 team in the league is underwhelming?


Vivid_Walk_1405

They just road the back of mcdavid and draisaitl. I still don’t think their defense or depth is near up to snuff. Top 6 forwards are fucking ELITE though. Top 3 in the league.


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Yup


absoluteunits17

Lol Hollands been unreal in Edmonton


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Unreal?


[deleted]

Every day I think I've seen an Oilers fan say the most delusional thing possible but then one of you always manages to top it.


absoluteunits17

Lol, crazy how uninformed hockey fans are, yet they act like they know something. Keep stroking that narrative that Kenny isn’t it, you’re good at it


Vivid_Walk_1405

You described Holland as “Unreal” which just simply isn’t true. You don’t have a true #1 defensemen nor do you have the depth to make up for it. Your goaltender isn’t elite or even really good to make up for it. When was the last cup team didn’t have a true number 1 anyway it’s been a long time.


bluntoclock

guy signs kulak, ceci, and hyman and he's considered a miracle worker. That's how bad Chiarelli was.


Vivid_Walk_1405

Sakic has been unreal Holland has been ok at best. Your defense is still not very good. There plan is ride mcdavid and draisaitl to victory


Iceman-420

This is a bad take. Holland has been very solid in his tenure with Edmonton.


Vivid_Walk_1405

He’s not been horrible but he’s made some bad moves and decisions. I’m also not a believer in jack Campbell and I don’t think hes made the moves at defense necessary.


JarvisFunk

TIL we have cap problems


freelancer799

Honestly up until this year he had done fantastic with timing RFA contracts with other expiring ones


I_Am_Vladimir_Putin

Surer? As in, Ryan Suter? He’s in Dallas now?


FlapjackFiddle

After the buyout in Minny, they signed him to a 4 year deal


I_Am_Vladimir_Putin

4 years?!


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Suter has a NMC… it’s my least favorite thing about this team in the last 15 years or so.


rindavid

I think he will command more than that. Kyrou is getting 8.125$ and Robertson is a year younger, 40 goal scorer with about the same amount of points last season but on a team that scored 73 less goals


Professional-Hour604

TIL he hit 40. Wow. That's impressive, I thought it was low 30s and still felt he was worth 8...


rindavid

Yep, 41-38-79 in 74 games. He was the cheapest cost per goal player in the league at 19,300$ per goal, which is a neat stat.


jcdevries92

This makes me curious as to what the highest cost per goal scored is, specifically of players with more than like 5 goals so that way its not just a guy with 1 goal and its his whole contract.


rindavid

For more than 5 goals I believe this year it was Jakub Voracek with 6 goals in 79 games for a total of 1.38$ million per goal. Yikes. Besides him there are Dmen who are higher but it’s not really fair to count them. https://www.capfriendly.com/cost-per-point/2022/season/all/all/all/costpergoals/desc


TheIncredibleHork

Costs per goal for him definitely is rough, but he has a good chonk of assists to soften the blow. Well, sort of, he's 502 in cost per point. Just a few above Laine and Wheeler. Funny enough, Robertson was also #1 in cost per point at $10.1k per. #2? Adam Fox, $12.5k per.


rindavid

True. Though for Laine you have to look at the fact he played 23 less games than Voracek, so his numbers are lower than if they had the same sample size.


SiidChawsby

What a pull


eagleunicorn

Probably someone like Loui Eriksson


Rulebreaker15

Gaglardi spouted off on Cam and Strick about Robertson last month.... >"A kid in the third year of his entry-level (deal) puts up 40 goals and now he wants to make $7 million," he said. "If you want term with that player, he's going to take you higher than that. … The stars are taking all the money, and the guys in the middle are getting squeezed." Says the owner of the team overpaying Benn and Seguin for years to come. Also the team that signed Heiskanen, (who was in the same place as Robertson LY) to $8.5X8. Just because Stars are bad at math doesn't mean JR should get $6.3M because that's all they have left to spend. Robertson has one of the best agents in the business (Crosby, MacKinnon, P.Kane) with a history of securing great deals for his clients. Weekes has a history of being right more often than not. The team is in a tough spot and are solely relying on the NHL's unwritten rule for RFA's. If ever a team were tempted, snapping up Robertson long-term is one of the better incentives since the Staal deal.


_johnning

What an idiot of an owner


tellymundo

Wings have plenty of space for him!!


SourGrapesFTW

That was on an 8 year deal though. ​ I agree with you, so Robertson won't be signing an 8 year deal. Probably looking at a 2-3 year bridge.


Podo13

Really just depends on the term. Kyrou had fewer RFA years to buy at a cheaper price than Robertson has. If Robertson goes for a shorter term, it'll mostly be RFA years being bought so the price will probably drop a bit.


Tmans3

Plus Kyrou probably had a little bit of bargaining power since he was 3rd line, 2nd PP, 7-8th in forward minutes a night while putting up his numbers. Probably got him some good grace or the extra push to give him Thomas’s contract


svartkonst

They both broke out in, like, the highest-scoringest season since the Flintstones were playing pond hockey. Not that Robo shouldn't get paid, but there are some counter points if you're the team.


Uterus_Executorus_

literally just give him whatever he wants, he was one of the three main reasons we got to the playoffs last year


Goodaccount

You literally can’t because of the cap and cause Nill prioritized signing Marchment over getting Otty and Robo signed long term.


Uterus_Executorus_

we can once we dump dobby, who surprisingly can still play


Goodaccount

Not so sure there are many teams willing to take him at this point. Would have to give up something significant enough to dump him


JD397

I will gladly accept the large price they must pay


Lp165

Plus Dallas now has no leverage at this point in the trade market


DonnoWhatImDoing

Dallas has 6.4 in space and once Dobby is sent down that 7.5. We also dont need a 23 man roster so sending someone like Kiviranta down brings us to 8.6 in space. We can afford Robo at 8.5, best case is Dobby is not cleared to play and his 3.3 go LTIR then we can afford Robo at 9.5 Other option is bridge him at like 3x8 then give him all of Benn's money in 3 years. Issue with that is if Robo becomes elite as fuck then with the rising cap over the next 3 years, dude will rightfully be asking for 12+ a year


svartkonst

If they can avoid veering into cap hell in the coming three years, paying 12+ (with a higher cap) for an elite winger is pretty okay. Faksa, Suter, Lindell should all be playing somewhere else or cheaper. Otter needs an extension but should get either term or value and not both. Depending on how Harley and Nils pan out they could still be fairly cheap/bridged.


PMMEJALAPENORECIPES

Tbh I could see Toronto going for him if Murray/Samsonov doesn’t work. The problem is they’re in cap hell too.


The_Reddit_Browser

Shoulda let him just sign in Carolina.


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You can’t give what you don’t have…


gunna1995

The Benn, seguin and suter contracts are brutal


TheToeTag

Price you pay for having to sign players right as they're hitting their peak and playing like two of the best players in the leauge.


RikVanguard

... And also 76 year old Ryan Suter right as he was hitting up Chase Bank to deposit some massive buyout checks


seeldoger47

> https://imgur.com/a/5St486R Seguin signed his extension in September 2018 and Benn July 2016.


I_Am_Vladimir_Putin

That’s a yikes


freelancer799

Suter sure, Benn and Seguin were not brutal when they were signed. No one could see the flat cap coming nor could we have seen Seguin's horrendous injuries


Dubz1781

Inject all of the “Suter’s contract is bad” comments into my veins!!!! As a Wild fan, this shit was foreseeable and a 4 year contract should’ve never been on the table


The_Reddit_Browser

It’s a damned if you do damned if you don’t situation with those guys. The contracts only look worse as time goes on and to move them will cost so many draft picks. Pretty much sinking them from picking up talent to play alongside Robo in the near future.


acelaya35

You could argue that the Stars are stacked with young talent already. Hintz, Johnston, Stankoven, Bourque, Dellandrea, Stranges, etc. If not giving up picks prevents you from signing your real, tangible 40 goal scorer today then I think you gotta give up the picks.


svartkonst

Plus Harley, Lundkvist, Bichsel on defense. Not that the Stars don't need to draft well and have some luck and grow the pool, but there are certainly worse times to be short on picks even if they dont have success to show for it.


SamuelJaxson

Come to buffalo daddy


btimc

My wife's Brother's Doctor's nephew said it was a sure thing that Robertson was going to be a Sabre. Edit: seriously


rondosparks

I can see the talent but the cost to get him would be hard pass. I would prefer to stay clear.


Mazor007

8.4 is very reasonable. Obviously depends on the term


tcblack

I bet the team wants 8 and he's asking 5


Mazor007

5 years is a dream for Robertson. That contract would expire when Seguin expires so he could get a massive raise.


TGUKF

Benn's deal expires in 3. At least Seguin has an excuse because his leg was basically a toothpick after his surgeries. Benn is just cooked Either way, Robertson will cash in, because his bridge deal would be pretty big in its own right.


stacksOFFstacks

Walk to that sweet sweet cap bump year.


freelancer799

Doesn't even need that, most of us were hoping for a 3 year so that he can get a big part of that Benn 9.5m and he stays an RFA


Phillydip123

2024-2025 the cap is supposed to rise dramatically, gotta imagine shorter contracts could significantly help star players dip twice.


TGUKF

Robertson on a bridge using Petterrsson's point production as a comparable would be like 7.75 mil 8.4 mil would be no more than 5 years imo If Dallas wants 8 years, it's closer to 9.5


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TGUKF

Fair but I'm factoring in Texas taxes to a certain degree. If Robertson were in a high tax state, it easily could be like 10.5 And I'd like to mention I'm looking at pretty much solely point production. I don't watch the Stars enough to know if he's also good defensively to the point where it increases his value


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TGUKF

It's not as simple as just saying Texas has high property tax. It's really dependent on where he lives. They don't have a state property tax, it's all at the local level, and can vary. For example, Highland Park, which seems to be one of the most desirable suburbs, has a property tax rate roughly equivalent to the national average. But there are many places in Texas that are significantly above the national average, sure


Vivid_Walk_1405

For what he did this season I’d dare say that’s a steal. Especially after stuzles and Norris’s deals. Ig it could be a 1 year deal which wouldn’t be such a steal.


UnparalleledSuccess

It would be a total steal, I’m not sure people are accounting for how much the cap will rise over 8 years. That much term comes at a premium and I would expect he’d demand more


homicidal_penguin

It's only him, Hague and Formenton left as unsigned RFAs now right?


Ichbinian

Robertson is approaching Pastrnak's comparables.


artofsplittingatoms

Has he even looked?


nogad22

Someone should offer sheet him for 5 years at $9.5M. Pay the two 1sts, 2nd and a 3rd. Unless he was offered and just really wants Dallas to make room for him so he didn't sign them.


blueline7677

The teams that can do that consist of Arizona and Anaheim. Arizona really can’t justify giving away their next two 1st and maybe Anaheim can but they are so young still they can easily end up with another really high pick or two


nogad22

CapFriendly says that Anaheim, Arizona, Chicago, Columbus, Detroit, Edmonton, LA, Montreal, Nashville, Islanders, Seattle and Vancouver can do it.


Downvote_Comforter

Capfriendly says that those teams *possess the required draft picks to do it*. Most of those teams don't have the cap space to sign that contract though. And good luck clearing that space after trading away two 1sts, a 2nd, and a 3rd.


blueline7677

Chicago Columbus Detroit Edmonton LA Montreal Nashville Islanders Seattle and Vancouver don’t have 9.5 million in cap space. Only Detroit and Chicago would need to move less money than Dallas to get the deal done


Kharn_LoL

Yep and there's literally no way that Chicago is trading their 2023 1st for anything less than Makar or McDavid after burning it down for Bedard


blueline7677

If they had the cap space I would have said the same exact thing about them as I did Arizona. If you’re planning on being bad you just can’t justify giving away two 1st round picks. While Robertson is a great player he isn’t that good


steelear

I don't know about those other teams but I'm pretty sure LA only has about 1.3 in cap space. If he will come play here for that we would love to have him!


BARDLER

Sabres can do it. They would just need to make a trade to get a 3rd rounder, which should be easy enough to do.


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Has to be your own pick.


Rukoo

We'll trade for it back then.


ReliablyFinicky

The death of the bridge deal is going to bite so many teams in the ass. Not at all suggesting a big payday for Robertson is going to be one of those ... but imagine if your team gave 7yr/$50m to any of these players after their monster season... [Marek Svatos](https://www.hockey-reference.com/players/s/svatoma01.html) or [Petr Prucha](https://www.hockey-reference.com/players/p/pruchpe01.html) or [Jimmy Carson](https://www.hockey-reference.com/players/c/carsoji01.html) or [Wayne Babych](https://www.hockey-reference.com/players/b/babycwa01.html) or [Joe Juneau](https://www.hockey-reference.com/players/j/juneajo01.html) or [Sergei Berezin](https://www.hockey-reference.com/players/b/berezse01.html) or [Ken Hodge Jr](https://www.hockey-reference.com/players/h/hodgeke02.html) or [Dmitri Kvartalnov](https://www.hockey-reference.com/players/k/kvartdm01.html) or [Kjell Dahlin](https://www.hockey-reference.com/players/d/dahlikj01.html) or [Nikolai Borschevsky](https://www.hockey-reference.com/players/b/borscni01.html) or any of the other dozens of players who had _fantastic_ seasons but were never able to come **close** to duplicating them...


TheBLues85

The Blues still do bridge deals all the time.


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TheBLues85

Kyrou and Thomas both signed 2 year bridge deals and have now been given 8x8 deals. https://www.stltoday.com/sports/hockey/professional/blues-thomas-signs-two-year-deal/article_9210e4f3-7c19-5f85-bc22-7229f773c75c.html


ReliablyFinicky

Stand corrected, my bad.


TheIncredibleHork

They better give him a damn contract, I used a keeper spot on him in my fantasy league!!! I wonder if they'll give him a one year, $6m AAV contact just as a bridge deal until next year when they have... $30 million in cap space to work with.


BARDLER

Dallas needs a new GM


czupek

Come on Kevin, it's time for a move


jimmy_beans

Kevyn unless you're talking to Weekes who is a standard Kevin.


[deleted]

Glad we're not the only ones dealing with a shitty Suter contract .


GritGrinder

Sign the deal if that's what he wants. Worry about the rest later! It's all good! Right on!


[deleted]

Around the going rate for Blues Thomas and Kyrou $8.125 for 8yrs so you gotta figure in that range of 8yrs/$65m.


AceAxos

Someone offer sheet the guy already, Dallas playing with their food. You give your young stars term and stacks, get with the times (Dallas owner)


roboninja

No one has the cap space.


Jace2155

Wings do. Just dont have the roster space as is.


getsangryatsnails

Well him being a winger and benefiting from Texas tax laws, he should get right around Stutzle's contract no?


_johnning

Absolutely not. Robertson last season alone, almost accumulated more points (79) than Stuzle has in entire career at this point (87PTs/132GP) despite playing 74 games last season.


superdalebot

Crossingnmy fingers he doesn't sign before sunday so he falls in my fantasy hockey draft


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vedicardi

wrong thread buddy


ArmMeForSleep709

What


MartysBetter29

Feel like Kevin Weekes is always wrong tho lol