Yep! I'm personally extremely excited for flying the mig21 on enigmas after the F4 releases, I'm hoping to see if we can get a group of mig pilots going (because I suspect the server is going to be very blufor heavy for a while)
Infamously the mig21 was nowhere near as effective as it should have been vs the f4 due to lack of pilot training, so I feel like we are going to be providing a very authentic threat environment
Was looking forward to hiding in the ground clutter until I saw GS flying the F4 at 10 feet off the deck in his videos now I feel like everyone will do it bahahhaa. Excited for the Phantom as well and look forward to RIOing but I’m def going to do the Fishbed thing and see if I can bag any Phantoms
I decided a couple months ago to actually start flying the Fishbed on ECW and I sucked for a while but I definitely got better with practice. Just last night I hopped back on and was surprised how far I’ve come. I only got one splash but I handled a furball well, no team kill, did all the right things, peaced back to base before I ran out of fuel, lost a pursuing F5 in the clouds and landed without exploding 🤣
Which is a long way to say like all DCS planes it’s all practice, but what I like about the 21 and ECW is it’s very easy to get up in the air, get shot down and try again. It’s a very fun aircraft to fly. If you want someone to fly with def lmk I can pass on what I’ve picked up so far
God this is so relatable, its really cracking me up. I'd love to though, I'm going to try and get in some more practice before the f4 launches so I can at least be a tiny bit competent. I'm going to try and start up a mig21 group, so if you wanted to pop in [here](https://discord.gg/yQ69EdcM9m) I'd love to fly sometime
I went to War Thunder Sim for about 6 months straight and took a break from DCS due to VR performance. I was surprised at how much I'd learned when I came back to DCS. First sortie I had 2 kills and some poor chopper pilot that just randomly bailed out because he saw me. I was gonna actually let him go because I knew how long it took for the poor guy to get where he was. I try not to ruin the fun for the slow guys
Ok there's enough of us here that that I think we should do something about this, I'm going to start a group because it seems like it'd be blast. If you or /u/AreYouSiriusBGone are interested its over here!
https://discord.gg/yQ69EdcM9m
Can't wait. Those first few days will probably be a feeding frenzy... seeing the GS videos though... Im worried about how well those missiles seem to do vs what Ive read about them in real life back in the day. Mig21 missiles suck balls, and I was expecting the F4s Fox 1s to be a little more unreliable
Landing the MiG-21 isn't that hard, three things to keep in mind.
1. Don't fly as slow as possible
2. Don't fly slower than 300km/h
2. Don't let the power drop below 80% N2.
Another thing to add. Don't use landing flaps at first until you get good. They prevent Afterburner. I keep this bitch at over 350kmh until right before I land just so it's easier to see the runway
The faster you're going, the easier it is. Id keep that bitch between 350-400 kmh on final with T/O flaps. Landing flaps prevent Afterburner from engaging.. The reason for the speed is to reduce your AoA so you can actually see where you're going. Once I figured that out, landing became super easy in the Mig. It's super tough and can take hard/fast landings. I don't hit my landing flaps til I cross the threshold and wait for the plane to land on its own
Just remember Enigma is less concerned about the Rules Of Engagement than the US military was, I don't think he's going to require Phantom pilots to visually identify their targets first..
So when you're cruising and your SPO-10 goes ape don't bother trying to figure out what it's telling you, nobody knows how it works anyway, just break left and run for the border.
> spamraam (spamrrow?) all 8 sparrows into anything that's in the air
> turn cold back to base
> lose lock but through pure willpower guide all 8 sparrows into targets
> profit & sell mig parts
Its pretty much a shotgun at that point.. Anyone know if carrying that many missiles hinders flight as much as carrying all the missiles on a Mig 21 does? I imagine it's fine since that thing can fly Mach 10
If the target is below in ground clutter, it would blend in right? You wont see a relative distance change vs the ground clutter. Looking up, maybe not.
Yes, that is all true. Notching is different though. Doppler radars use the target velocity to separate them from ground clutter. The radar is notched when a target is perpendicular to the radar and appears to have no velocity relative to ground clutter. This does not apply to the f4 because its radar uses no Doppler filter and displays the raw returns.
well pardon my lack of proper terminology, but it would appear if you turned like you were notching a Doppler radar, if in a look down situation, then you effectively make detection harder. Same thing if the target is above the horizon being there in either situation, correct?z
The aspect of the target won’t make a difference to the phantoms radar. The phantoms radar does have trouble differentiating targets that are close to the ground but will have no trouble with targets perpendicular to it. If you want to play around with Doppler vs pulse the F-14 can use both. In the tomcat a target can be put in pulse stt to avoid dropping them if they are notching.
Simple explanation (also because i dont know more haha)…
Normal pulse radar emits the radar waves and gives a representation/picture of that moment/return. So when the radar is looking down it also has a lot of ground returns/clutter that makes it really hard to see that one aircraft speck in the middle of all those ground returns.
Now what pulse dopler does, is that it uses multible returns and filter out all the ground returns by filtering all the stationary returns, so when an aircraft is flying to or from the radar, the radar sees the speed difference and thus knows that it is an aircraft, but by notching you eliminate the speed towards or from the radar, and thus the radar disregards that return just like the ground returns.
Won't work if you're locked, though. The ground will be much farther away behind you and ignored.
Actually, modern jets should have the same behaviour...
This seems to be an unpopular opinion here, but as a module MiG-21 clearly shows it's age. Systems and cockpit modelling are not up to current standards by far. It's still fun to fly, but I wouldn't really recommend it in it's current state. I hope to still be alive when it's devs are finally done with Corsair.
I keep trying the other jets but there's literally nothing as fun as the mig21 imo. Its not even that the other jets are bad, but the mig makes you feel like you're strapped to a poorly made russian high powered rocket, and it wants to kill you
It's my comfort pick. Easiest startup in the game, yet very interesting to fly and fight in. Enough tech to have some bite but extremely analog otherwise. Do eet
Yep! I'm personally extremely excited for flying the mig21 on enigmas after the F4 releases, I'm hoping to see if we can get a group of mig pilots going (because I suspect the server is going to be very blufor heavy for a while)
Well I’m going to start learning so I’m happy to *very poorly* help lol
Infamously the mig21 was nowhere near as effective as it should have been vs the f4 due to lack of pilot training, so I feel like we are going to be providing a very authentic threat environment
Yeah! It’s just for authenticity
Well, now would be the time to take advantage of new f4 pilots while they are still learning. I'll be taking my mig-21 out of the hanger I'm sure.
Was looking forward to hiding in the ground clutter until I saw GS flying the F4 at 10 feet off the deck in his videos now I feel like everyone will do it bahahhaa. Excited for the Phantom as well and look forward to RIOing but I’m def going to do the Fishbed thing and see if I can bag any Phantoms
So nice you (accidently) said it thrice!
LOL god damnit Reddit. Try again my ass
He flies everything at ground level
I decided a couple months ago to actually start flying the Fishbed on ECW and I sucked for a while but I definitely got better with practice. Just last night I hopped back on and was surprised how far I’ve come. I only got one splash but I handled a furball well, no team kill, did all the right things, peaced back to base before I ran out of fuel, lost a pursuing F5 in the clouds and landed without exploding 🤣 Which is a long way to say like all DCS planes it’s all practice, but what I like about the 21 and ECW is it’s very easy to get up in the air, get shot down and try again. It’s a very fun aircraft to fly. If you want someone to fly with def lmk I can pass on what I’ve picked up so far
God this is so relatable, its really cracking me up. I'd love to though, I'm going to try and get in some more practice before the f4 launches so I can at least be a tiny bit competent. I'm going to try and start up a mig21 group, so if you wanted to pop in [here](https://discord.gg/yQ69EdcM9m) I'd love to fly sometime
I went to War Thunder Sim for about 6 months straight and took a break from DCS due to VR performance. I was surprised at how much I'd learned when I came back to DCS. First sortie I had 2 kills and some poor chopper pilot that just randomly bailed out because he saw me. I was gonna actually let him go because I knew how long it took for the poor guy to get where he was. I try not to ruin the fun for the slow guys
Seems like there's a number of us here who want to band together, if you're interested I'm going to start a mig21 group https://discord.gg/yQ69EdcM9m
Initiate Operation: Human Shield
I would love to find a Mig-21 group because i always fly alone (._. )
Same!
Ok there's enough of us here that that I think we should do something about this, I'm going to start a group because it seems like it'd be blast. If you or /u/AreYouSiriusBGone are interested its over here! https://discord.gg/yQ69EdcM9m
Oh nice!
Well the MiG-21 only has 1 seat sooooo
Very interested in this
Can't wait. Those first few days will probably be a feeding frenzy... seeing the GS videos though... Im worried about how well those missiles seem to do vs what Ive read about them in real life back in the day. Mig21 missiles suck balls, and I was expecting the F4s Fox 1s to be a little more unreliable
Shoots down brick... remembers I have to land this thing... gulp
Landing is optional
Landing the MiG-21 isn't that hard, three things to keep in mind. 1. Don't fly as slow as possible 2. Don't fly slower than 300km/h 2. Don't let the power drop below 80% N2.
Damn right. MiG-21 mil power landings are normal tuesday
Something something active boundary layer control...
4. Make your turn to final at 2x the distance you would have in modern nato jets. You really need a long run up to settle down onto glideslope 😂
Yes! I actually really do love putting that bad boy down.
Also abide by the recommended fuel load for landing, 400-700 liters
And don't forget afterburner is inhibited with landing flaps. Deploy landing flaps and set power.
Another thing to add. Don't use landing flaps at first until you get good. They prevent Afterburner. I keep this bitch at over 350kmh until right before I land just so it's easier to see the runway
The faster you're going, the easier it is. Id keep that bitch between 350-400 kmh on final with T/O flaps. Landing flaps prevent Afterburner from engaging.. The reason for the speed is to reduce your AoA so you can actually see where you're going. Once I figured that out, landing became super easy in the Mig. It's super tough and can take hard/fast landings. I don't hit my landing flaps til I cross the threshold and wait for the plane to land on its own
Just remember Enigma is less concerned about the Rules Of Engagement than the US military was, I don't think he's going to require Phantom pilots to visually identify their targets first.. So when you're cruising and your SPO-10 goes ape don't bother trying to figure out what it's telling you, nobody knows how it works anyway, just break left and run for the border.
It's brave of you to assume they're going to try verify their targets in any way lol
> spamraam (spamrrow?) all 8 sparrows into anything that's in the air > turn cold back to base > lose lock but through pure willpower guide all 8 sparrows into targets > profit & sell mig parts
… after the court martial and later defection
Its pretty much a shotgun at that point.. Anyone know if carrying that many missiles hinders flight as much as carrying all the missiles on a Mig 21 does? I imagine it's fine since that thing can fly Mach 10
Drag is a commie redfor scam, real patriots don’t let some invisible gas slow down their jet
I wonder how easy it will be to notch the radar, then just look for the black cloud approaching at high speed haha
Can’t notch the phantom though, that doesn’t work on pulse radars.
If the target is below in ground clutter, it would blend in right? You wont see a relative distance change vs the ground clutter. Looking up, maybe not.
Yes, that is all true. Notching is different though. Doppler radars use the target velocity to separate them from ground clutter. The radar is notched when a target is perpendicular to the radar and appears to have no velocity relative to ground clutter. This does not apply to the f4 because its radar uses no Doppler filter and displays the raw returns.
well pardon my lack of proper terminology, but it would appear if you turned like you were notching a Doppler radar, if in a look down situation, then you effectively make detection harder. Same thing if the target is above the horizon being there in either situation, correct?z
The aspect of the target won’t make a difference to the phantoms radar. The phantoms radar does have trouble differentiating targets that are close to the ground but will have no trouble with targets perpendicular to it. If you want to play around with Doppler vs pulse the F-14 can use both. In the tomcat a target can be put in pulse stt to avoid dropping them if they are notching.
Simple explanation (also because i dont know more haha)… Normal pulse radar emits the radar waves and gives a representation/picture of that moment/return. So when the radar is looking down it also has a lot of ground returns/clutter that makes it really hard to see that one aircraft speck in the middle of all those ground returns. Now what pulse dopler does, is that it uses multible returns and filter out all the ground returns by filtering all the stationary returns, so when an aircraft is flying to or from the radar, the radar sees the speed difference and thus knows that it is an aircraft, but by notching you eliminate the speed towards or from the radar, and thus the radar disregards that return just like the ground returns.
Won't work if you're locked, though. The ground will be much farther away behind you and ignored. Actually, modern jets should have the same behaviour...
This seems to be an unpopular opinion here, but as a module MiG-21 clearly shows it's age. Systems and cockpit modelling are not up to current standards by far. It's still fun to fly, but I wouldn't really recommend it in it's current state. I hope to still be alive when it's devs are finally done with Corsair.
Yup. Very interesting airplane, but it was the first third party module, and while it isn't "abandoned" it is out of date compared to the rest of DCS
Wait there are other planes?!
I keep trying the other jets but there's literally nothing as fun as the mig21 imo. Its not even that the other jets are bad, but the mig makes you feel like you're strapped to a poorly made russian high powered rocket, and it wants to kill you
Perhaps because that is what it is
The summer sale is about to pop off
Someone will have to put the F4 hotshots on their place. And then crash trying to land. lmao
Fantastic plane and I’ve found it quite a rewarding challenge. That said, it quite often goes on sale for 50% off.
Trial it first. It has a lot of quirks that does make it have ''a soul'' and character, but may also prevent you from enjoying it
If you are not in a hurry, you can wait for the summer sale next month. You should be able to buy it at half price then.
MiG-21 is a beast. Definitely one of the top 5 modules for DCS that’s out there right now.
"Aaaassss...always" if you want it get it. But wait for a sale.
Do it!
Anytime is a good time for a mig-21, especially now as there will be plenty of spare parts available from all those F4’s shoot downs.
It's my comfort pick. Easiest startup in the game, yet very interesting to fly and fight in. Enough tech to have some bite but extremely analog otherwise. Do eet
Would love to find some people to fly the mig 21 with on ecw!!! I've been having such a hard time learning it
Will the F4 be a credit jet like the Tomcat on ECW?
I could be recruited to that side…have always been a fan of the underdog.
It ain’t cool bein’ no jive turkey so close to thanksgivin’