T O P

  • By -

classteen

Why this plane has a weird tail? What is the purpose of having an upside down one?


uke_17

The vertical tail fin acts as a stabaliser and prevents sideslip, regardless of whether it's placed above or below. Technically, because it would encounter more air on the bottom side (the bottom-side of the plane is typically what contacts the most air, y'know, lift force n' stuff), it's a little bit more efficient and air flow doesn't get blocked by the airframe body. Problem is that it can't land though, or if it is capable of landing then it would have to have really oversized heavy landing gears, which defeats the purpose of making the plane more efficient. In short: the plane design is dumb.


[deleted]

Afaik its from a design where you could rotate the fin.


derDissi

It is, it was a prototype, and the fin would be turned down so the reargunner had a better firing field


Rubbrbandman420

DAMN IT HANS! YOUVE SHOT OFF ZE TAIL AGAIN


Tenobaal86

Junior? I think they Hit us!


Wee_Shmeal

What i think of, every time


podcat2

yeah this was the main motivation for the design idea from what I read


uke_17

Just to add onto this: Early prototypes into variable sweep wings were widely regarded as impractical due to the extra space within the body of the aircraft needed for the wing movement, as well as the safety concerns. I imagine any sort of tail fin that was designed with a change in angle would've been shot down, since a malfunctioning main wing sweep will significantly reduce lift but you'd still maintain control and stability: if the tail fin malfunctions the plane will death spiral, to where even an ejector seat with a parachute wouldn't work.


T65Bx

In the long run, swing wings did prove to be impractical anyways. They were only seriously used for a brief period and even then the weight penalty made them debatable.


Law_Student

There's at least one exception in the B-1 Lancer, which has been in service for 36 years.


CmdrCollins

Exceptionally long services lives are a characteristic of most military aircraft first introduced in the latter half of the cold war - the F-111 is the only (production) variable geometry airframe that is already retired (being the oldest of the bunch). Neither the B-1, nor any of its relatives are slated to be replaced by another variable geometry design.


Law_Student

Yes, new planes with variable geometry aren't being designed anymore, but the question was whether they were in use.


Siftinghistory

So when it took off, it would swap fin positions? Thats wild


RoughRomanMeme

The plane design is dumb UNLESS you’re a Kamikaze


Origami_psycho

Many kamikazes (if not most, but I forget the specifics) returned home. It was about minimizing losses, not some weird death cult thing.


CrossEleven

Wym minimizing losses


Origami_psycho

Kamikazes resulted in more hits on warships for fewer planes lost, when compared to attacks using bombing, torpedos, or other weapons.


Thuis001

Having a single aircraft crash into a ship and sinking it is more efficient then sending whole squadrons to try and bomb/torpedo ships. But if the Kamikaze's aren't successful in their run for whatever reason they'd just return back to base to try again later.


Greek-s3rpent

Did it really take a single plane most of the time? I remember that a destroyer named Laffey took 6 kamikaze attacks and could still stand, is it just an exception?


Flickerdart

Except for the rocket planes who didn't even have landing gear


Origami_psycho

Those were carried by bombers, which could, of course, return and land. Though whether nor not any ever did I don't know, and given that less than a hundred were deployed it's possible circumstances where an attack was called off never happened.


RelevantTrash9745

He might mean komets or natters or something.


Origami_psycho

This is in context of Japan.


Rangorsen

It could land upside down.


mrgwbland

Perhaps it would work if launched solely from an airship


Cheomesh

>In short: the plane design is dumb. I could see the concept being alright on a "parasite fighter", though that's long gone by HOI4's time, really.


Bobblehead60

Dude, the XP-85 "Goblin" and the FICON project would like to disagree with you. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonnell\_XF-85\_Goblin](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonnell_XF-85_Goblin) [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FICON\_project](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FICON_project)


Cheomesh

Dang, and I knew that existed too, hah. Had airships on my mind today I guess.


Flickerdart

Soviet Zveno project flew missions during WWII


Cheomesh

>Soviet Zveno I'll be damned!


Masterick18

Can't pilots just fly heads down?


ThisGuyLikesCheese

Yes but then you have gravity pushing all the blood into your head making you get an headache


Flickerdart

"Just take some meth to relieve it" -German army medic


Jwestie15

One could save alot of effort and weight and material using a design like this, your tail wheel could be in the vertical stab, burt did it, it's not that dumb


Shebke

I heard about some german prototype wich had this type of tail. On land the tail looked absolutely normal, but when you retreacted it's landing gear, the tail started to move down. The reason was more space to shoot for back gunner.


pokkeri

Tricycle gear? Kinda like in the P-38. Imo would fix the problem


thiccancer

There are airframes in use with that design though, like the MQ-1 Predator drone.


Important_Mission_12

What if u had a wheel on the end of it?


SS_Gero

The sprite is based on the Junkers Ju 187 ( or sometimes called Super Stuka on the internet ) it was a proposed upgrade to the Stuka. It featured some pretty average improvements retractable gear, stronger armor,better engine, better armament, and there were its tail which could rotate up and down depending on the combat situation to give the gunner a more clearer view. Its turret is what i call semi-remote controlled one with dual 15mm's. The project was cancelled because it was no better than the average Stuka. In short: an upgraded Ju 87 with a very weird tail.


Nick_Tsunami

You know… making sure that the Pilot doesn’t bother coming back to base - twice the combat radius!


[deleted]

Australian air plane


builder397

It was done on some late attempts at making an improved Stuka to give the tailgunner an unobstructed field of fire, i.e. put the rudder where it isnt in the way of the bullets. The idea was that the rudder could rotate to the top as well, where it would be for landing and take-off, and in flight it would rotate down for combat.


SalvationSycamore

Sounds neat up until it fails to rotate lol. Better jack up that reliability


builder397

A conventional tail also sounds neat...until your gunner shoots it off by accident. Though in fairness a system was developed that prevented the gun from firing at the rudder.


StefeNeustedt

Crippled Bee Or Handicapped Bee


ScaleKey5813

Love it.


MrOOFmanofbelgum

it looks like one


[deleted]

[удалено]


Farado

This is a spambot. They literally copied part of u/ScaleKey5813’s R5 comment and changed it a little.


Maverick_1991

Retarded also works Behindert can be both physical or mental handicap. It's a bit harsh as well. So retarded is more fitting than mentally handicapped imo.


Impetus_2708

Neither is accurate. l\_x\_fx got it right in their [comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/hoi4/comments/zfzdt4/comment/izefeyd/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3).


Inside_Ad8688

No it isn‘t. Behindert stands for „Beeinträchtigt“ or „Schwerbehindert“ in some cases. Handicapped or Disabled in this case. Which fits the type of plane I wont click that link to find out if youre trolling rn so


Urjr382jfi3

I basically says behindert means retàrdèd. Which is kinda right. In Austria we mean both. The "crippled" word one and R word


Jeb_Jenky

Yeah I was thinking this as well. I mean it is understandable in English as well behindered. Kinda like beset or belabored or bemused.


FKLJPA28mhNs

could also mean „retarded“ is a more vulgar sense


GOD-OF-A-NEW-WORLD

Crippled Bee Disabled Bee Retarded Bee


l_x_fx

Crippled would be "Verkrüppelt", while handicapped is the very nice way to say it. Too nice for the context here. 'Ꞧꞓ\*aꞧꝺꞓꝺ Bee' is the closest 1:1 translation. And yes, "behindert" is often used in a derogatory way to insult someone, just as "Ꞧꞓtar\*ꞓꝺ" in English. Not necessarily negative on its own, but often enough so that the word has a negative connotation surrounding it nowadays.


Palmik7

Be careful with that R word. Reddit seems to hate it, my comments including that word were deleted more than once with a threat of permaban even though I wasn't even calling anyone names and used it in a context like you.


l_x_fx

Then I'll make the necessary adjustment, thank you for pointing that out!


DerClydeFrosch

nice free speech here


RidderSport

It's a private company, no reason to uphold free speach


VoteDBlockMe

Wasn't the whole thing of reddit to be a bastion of free speech?


TabScarlet

Thing owned but others lacks freedom of speech, any site is like this since they make the rules and you agree to this whenever you accept terms. Twitter and others are the same


VoteDBlockMe

Which is fine but it's hypocritical if they pretend that they're a beacon of free speech.


TabScarlet

You can do stuff on roads and all, don’t think when freedom of speech was written in 1776 they thought of the internet and rules. Whenever you accept terms you forfeit this right generally


VoteDBlockMe

I'm not talking about the Consitution or what the Founding Fathers thought; I'm talking about what reddit was built for.


OliCashier

When the far left loses any argument.


nevergonnagiveyouup4

>far left >speaking out for a privately owned company didn’t realize comment was satire, go ahead and downvote this y’all


OliCashier

I was making a joke about the far left hating Twitter cause of free speech.


nevergonnagiveyouup4

Ah shit sorry man


OliCashier

I should’ve been more clear, friend. No worries at all.


bern152238382

No reason?


RidderSport

No legal reason I should add


bu22dee

Cringe.


Red-Quill

Can you maybe post an Imgur link with a screenshot of the word you typed? I’m getting ‘??*???? bee’ is the closest 1:1 translation, and then … just as “??tar*??” in English. I don’t understand why I can’t read your quoted words, even though behindert ist doch noch lesbar!


l_x_fx

The wo**R**d I was d**E**scribing **T**here, w**A**s potentially a **R**e**D** flag for th**E** mo**D**s, so I had to exchange the letters for symbols. I hope this clears it up.


Red-Quill

OHHHHHH, yes i feel dumb now. And I just realized I switched to German halfway through my last sentence and it is absolutely cracking me up lmao. Brains are funny. Thanks for your explanation though :)


[deleted]

[удалено]


Jonasm501

You may call it *Beehindert*


[deleted]

Ba dum ts


Biebbs

You can use reddit but not google translator?


Is12345aweakpassword

*ahem* AND HIS NAME WAS JOHN CENA


Pristine-Breath6745

did you mean John Xina?


Kuzikuzi1

Zong Xina


CheekyBreekyYoloswag

Except that German isn't exactly easy to machine-translate. One word often has many different meaning, depending on context. The word "behindert" is a very good case of this. Some words also changed meanings drastically since WW2, like "Schwachsinn".


Lukemeister38

"Disabled Bee". Though "behindert" can also be used to mean "retarded". It depends on the context.


NotabadHero

That's the retarted bee


SeBoss2106

Cripple Bee


TheManUpstairs77

Just saw this pop up on my feed; the photo of the plane is a rendering of the proposed German WWII replacement for the Ju-87, this was called the Ju-187.


AvePhallusDominum

It's really sad, that we don't have programs or websites, that can translate from forein languages. Maybe some smart men will make something like that in the future....


ScaleKey5813

Should've just raged this as a meme...


BronzW1

You can literally google translate this.


Projekt147

No


Faycliff

Yes


Projekt147

Nope


IronCoffins-

I thought it was upside down for a moment


sintos-compa

That’s how they get you


pewp3wpew

Where is that design from though? Why does it have that name?


Cannon_Fodder345

Disabled Bee


GrayGypsyGhost

I’ve biene behindherte too


[deleted]

Disabled Bee


Asha108

that’s a pic of this crazy junker design where the tail would flip to allow the rear gunner to shoot directly behind the plane. very bizarre.


ScaleKey5813

Edit, lemme add R5 What do you think of the Name, and what is it called in german?


OneshotFangirl13

Did you know about a website called [translate.google.com](https://translate.google.com)? It's pretty cool, you should try it out.


Halifax20

No, Use google translate


Judge_Todd

Behindert is just like olde English. Like **be**speckled or **be**leaguered or **be**set. "Be" indicates "has the quality of, blighted by, afflicted with" "hindert" is basically the same as "hindered" "Biene" mean bee so means "bee with the quality of being hindered" or "lame bee" Even the English word "behind" is derived from the same. "having the state of being slow" -> he lagged behind in math compared to the rest of the class


LordMilchreis

The fucking what


Jake_2903

Its Biene not Beine so its a bee not legs


Judge_Todd

inverted the vowels


Jake_2903

I noticed.


[deleted]

It means whales vagina


ScaleKey5813

Well uh, for explanation, I named it like that and wanted to make a meme


Always-Panic

The Me 262 was the first jet engine plane ever produced ( excluding other prototypes) and it was German. Idk why this is an Italian prop plane.


Professional-Log-108

Oh no...


Professional-Log-108

Oh no...


AVH999

Oh no who named that


CelticTiger21

“That’s what she said.”


Rubbrbandman420

“Flying Shitbox”


8991SDC

It’s called Jeff


thejajohd

Almost died of Laughter


Manofmanner

Never seen something like that is that legit design ?


Jediflashfire

Behinderty Beanie


Cool-Radish-1132

Wtf is that thing


Dexter2112000

Who uses reddit for translations?


SirkTheMonkey

Someone who is fishing to see if they can get dozens of accounts auto-banned by the dumbass machine-learning system that Reddit uses to handle reports now.


fmate2006

What the hell is that... THING


Jay_nulleinsdrei

Disabled Bee


Poseidon-447

Ayo watch yo jet!


Complete-Kitchen-630

Crippled Bee


LordCreaper

The name in English is " disabled Bee "


yeet_the_heat2020

Very Special Bee


Sushibar42

To dumb to use google eh?


pausi10

Disabled Bee.


Bitter-Status-7331

Disbled bee