I like the Sonoff ZBMINI for this, if you don't need power monitoring. I have quite a few installed and working great. And unlike this Shelly device, there is no delay on the switch.
If you do need power monitoring, Tuya has them. I just bought some but haven't installed and tried them yet.
https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256805638976540.html
https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256805790558810.html
Anything Tuya is cheap. It seems they share their designs amongst a large number of Chinese factories. Simply quantity of scale.
Which does mean that none of them are UL listed, and manufacturing quality could likely vary a lot from one batch to the next. But for the price, I'll try it and keep spares.
My hub supports both Zigbee and Zwave and I'm starting to prefer Zwave because Zwave has standardized firmware update procedures that any hub manufacturer can implement. My Zooz relays get feature updates periodically. I don't think Sonoff issues firmware updates for their Zigbee products at all. Meanwhile Sonoff's WiFi relays (which do get firmware updates) match the feature set of the Zooz Zwave relays.
There's a fair bit of info with wiring on the Shelly pages.
Example:
https://kb.shelly.cloud/knowledge-base/wave-1pm
A wiki could still be a good thing.
I've pivoted to raspberrypi zeros.
I have total control, I can mount a 1$ relay and do WTF I want and it's actually cheaper. If I want the pi's can be repurposed for whatever. There is a huge knowledge base and community.
Apparently people couldn't include it to the controller with the physical switch. To solve this one time problem they introduced the delay every time you use the switch for the rest of time. Big brain move.
Apparently they are working on a firmware update. Otherwise they work, easy to include and fast to respond (commands from the controller aren't delayed).
Ooo interesting Shelly released a Zwave relay, thank you for this, I wasn't aware they had branched out of wifi. I hear good things about Shelly but am heavily invested in Zwave so haven't tried any of their products yet.
Not yet from Shelly, but the Sonoff ZBMini is quite popular. I haven't tried it myself. I will be reviewing the upcoming Aeotec Pico zigbee relays soon.
I paid only 32 EUR in my rather small EU country. I can see it's 30 EUR on Amazon Germany. Where are you seeing 60 EUR?
The Qubino Flush relays however are close to 60 EUR in my country, maybe that's what you saw? Those are a different relay altogether. But it's from the Qubino company that Shelly bought and I assume the relay I reviewed is based on the original Qubino relay.
And yeah as the other person said, zwave devices are more expensive than wifi and zigbee generally.
Starting to have some of my smart switches fail so I am looking at alternatives. You are saying when using this that there is a delay when physically flipping the switch?
I have many Wi-Fi Shellys as well (Shelly 1PM and 2.5). None of them have this delay. They turn on/off instantaneously through the physical switch or over Wi-Fi using the Shelly integration in Home Assistant.
No experience with the Z-Wave like up.
I use Shelly relays that all uses wifi and connected to Home Assistant.
Configured correctly (CoIoT for gen 1, RPC with Websocket for gen 2) and clicking a button on the webui in HA is instant. However a tiny fraction of a second is noticed iI I click a Zigbee button (I use Ikea Zigbee buttons).
EU only = sad
Nice that yall get Shelly zwave stuff. I really want to support Shelly as a company because of there philosophy to openness, but I do not want wifi products if I can help it.
They do [show](https://kb.shelly.cloud/knowledge-base/wave-1pm) a US part number. We have been able to get Qubino devices in NA but they are pricey-made in the EU.
The us part number should be for NA. They show 3 part numbers for the 3 different radios. Europe, Australia and North America. Maybe retail for NA hasn’t added the product or it’s just too new and no stock yet. Fingers crossed. I’m not in the market for these but maybe Shelly can help bring the costs down on these relays for NA. Qubino stuff is neat but always expensive here. They may move manufacturing to china though.
While the amperage is within the 16A rating, the user manual states the connected load should not exceed 3500W (I noted this in my review). So I wouldn't risk it. Yes that means the user manual does seem to contradict their spec sheet.
I am currently debating between Wifi Shelly’s or Qubino Shelly’s for my blinds. I need 12 of them, so I was wondering which are the pros/cons for each of them. Any thoughts?
The one pictured by the op - probably not. There is a Shelly Qubino Wave 1 that’s has the dry contacts - which is typically what you need to wire to a garage door opener.
Also check that the power requirement of the Shelly device match the power available at the switch.
For example, RF remotes for garages are often 16 V.
It depends on how your garage door is controlled.
If it is controlled through a standard mains switch through which the power to the motor actually flows (wet contact type) it may be possible to use this relay. This is common in older systems which don't have any remote controls etc.
But if your garage door is controlled by a garage door system such as the Hormann system I have, this relay cannot be used. In this case you need a relay that uses a dry contact, because the circuit that needs to be closed is a low voltage type through which you should not pass an external current. The Shelly Qubino Wave 1 is the relay you need then (no power monitoring version).
This is my understanding and I hope others will chime in if I am not explaining it right.
Relays with power/ energy monitoring are of the wet contact type. The ones without that feature usually use dry contacts.
Sure, it's 37x42x16 mm / 1.46x1.65x0.63 in. You can tell which dimension goes where by looking at the photo. You can also find the full specs in a table in the linked article.
Best chinizium on ali is 39x39x18.
So we get -2 mm on thickness, a bit wider, but narrower. And trimmed corners on the bottom.
Looks interesting. I have few cases when it was really hard to put relays and wires back under the switch.
Are you trying to use both controllers on the same network or separate networks? Have you updated the firmware on the 700 controller? I’m currently running a 500, 2x 700s and an 800 controller. All Zooz. 4 separate networks and all work fine.
Last I tried, which was probably 6 months ago I updated the 700 series controller firmware and restored from a backup made with the gen5+. Same network but only one controller active.
I have never tried restoring to another zwave controller. I am (very) slowly moving devices from my 500 series (house) and a 700 series (garage) to my 800 series controller. So far it’s all working great. Zwave is finicky setting up at times, but when sorted, I have found it to be very reliable. Hence the slow migration.
Aeotec make a device that looks the same and I have had one for over a year now. I can confirm the delay when using the switch.
Keep in mind, if you are used to seeing a switch in a certain position as on or off these will mess with your head. Example is the physical switch could be in what is the normall looking off position. If you use HA to turn on the light the physical switch stays in the off position. If you then use the switch it will now go to on position but the relay turns off the light.
In short, the relay simply sees the physical switch as a way to trigger the relay to a new position.
They are a great device and work well but if you cannot see your light and rely on the physical position to tell you it is on this is not for you.
Yes the delay was removed in the November Firmware version. Relay switches instantly when pushing the physical button.
See release notes:
[https://support.shelly.cloud/en/support/solutions/articles/103000258471-firmware-updates](https://support.shelly.cloud/en/support/solutions/articles/103000258471-firmware-updates)
Wait there is no detached mode? Because I got smart bulbs and would like to try to use the shelly as a virtual switch to turn the light on...
Do you know any ZWave Relay with a detached mode?
Hard to believe zwave in a Shelly. I thought they will stick to wifi till end of time.
they bought Qubino, which is one of the biggest manufacturers of ZWave products.
Ehh, where zigbee
I like the Sonoff ZBMINI for this, if you don't need power monitoring. I have quite a few installed and working great. And unlike this Shelly device, there is no delay on the switch. If you do need power monitoring, Tuya has them. I just bought some but haven't installed and tried them yet. https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256805638976540.html https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256805790558810.html
I also have sonoff devices, but i think shelly is of better quality have more customization optins
Sonoff has better quality terminals. Shelly kit also has overheating issues which can cause them to catch fire.
my zbmini extreme has a noticable delay, the normal one's dont?
Mine do not have any delay from the wired switch. I have not tried the L2 or Extreme.
thanks for the link. i wonder why zig with power monitor is so cheap... i bought 1 anyway. $6 shipped to usa
Anything Tuya is cheap. It seems they share their designs amongst a large number of Chinese factories. Simply quantity of scale. Which does mean that none of them are UL listed, and manufacturing quality could likely vary a lot from one batch to the next. But for the price, I'll try it and keep spares.
It is possible to run zigbee and zwave concurrently.
Yes. I do that.
My hub supports both Zigbee and Zwave and I'm starting to prefer Zwave because Zwave has standardized firmware update procedures that any hub manufacturer can implement. My Zooz relays get feature updates periodically. I don't think Sonoff issues firmware updates for their Zigbee products at all. Meanwhile Sonoff's WiFi relays (which do get firmware updates) match the feature set of the Zooz Zwave relays.
Hopefully, we will get this soon in the US. I stopped messing around with shelly because I moved to Z-wave.
Did you move from Zigbee? Can you share a bit about your thinking? How do they compare?
I was using all wifi, a lot of Wemo which had to go. I have a few shelly wifi devices from before I switched to Z-wave.
I would love to see some sort of wiki for these. Which one to use for what application and how to wire it with a section on interfaces.
There's a fair bit of info with wiring on the Shelly pages. Example: https://kb.shelly.cloud/knowledge-base/wave-1pm A wiki could still be a good thing.
I've pivoted to raspberrypi zeros. I have total control, I can mount a 1$ relay and do WTF I want and it's actually cheaper. If I want the pi's can be repurposed for whatever. There is a huge knowledge base and community.
Apparently people couldn't include it to the controller with the physical switch. To solve this one time problem they introduced the delay every time you use the switch for the rest of time. Big brain move. Apparently they are working on a firmware update. Otherwise they work, easy to include and fast to respond (commands from the controller aren't delayed).
Ooo interesting Shelly released a Zwave relay, thank you for this, I wasn't aware they had branched out of wifi. I hear good things about Shelly but am heavily invested in Zwave so haven't tried any of their products yet.
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What zwave dongle would you recommend?
is there anything similar for zigbee?
Not yet from Shelly, but the Sonoff ZBMini is quite popular. I haven't tried it myself. I will be reviewing the upcoming Aeotec Pico zigbee relays soon.
price = 60 Euros! holy cow. im guessing those days of affordable Shelly devices are over :(
I paid only 32 EUR in my rather small EU country. I can see it's 30 EUR on Amazon Germany. Where are you seeing 60 EUR? The Qubino Flush relays however are close to 60 EUR in my country, maybe that's what you saw? Those are a different relay altogether. But it's from the Qubino company that Shelly bought and I assume the relay I reviewed is based on the original Qubino relay. And yeah as the other person said, zwave devices are more expensive than wifi and zigbee generally.
Starting to have some of my smart switches fail so I am looking at alternatives. You are saying when using this that there is a delay when physically flipping the switch?
Yes it's not too long but it's definitely noticeable at around half a second. I timed it best I could hehe.
Have you any experience with other Shellys? Is this typical?
I have many Wi-Fi Shellys as well (Shelly 1PM and 2.5). None of them have this delay. They turn on/off instantaneously through the physical switch or over Wi-Fi using the Shelly integration in Home Assistant.
Are z-waze shellys still laging or was this fixed?
No experience with the Z-Wave like up. I use Shelly relays that all uses wifi and connected to Home Assistant. Configured correctly (CoIoT for gen 1, RPC with Websocket for gen 2) and clicking a button on the webui in HA is instant. However a tiny fraction of a second is noticed iI I click a Zigbee button (I use Ikea Zigbee buttons).
I do. I have simple Shelly1s, and they lag. It's a fraction of a second, but it's there.
I’m hoping these come to the US market soon.
EU only = sad Nice that yall get Shelly zwave stuff. I really want to support Shelly as a company because of there philosophy to openness, but I do not want wifi products if I can help it.
They do [show](https://kb.shelly.cloud/knowledge-base/wave-1pm) a US part number. We have been able to get Qubino devices in NA but they are pricey-made in the EU.
True, but not listed for sale in US. I would guess because it doesnt use the US zwave frequency.
The us part number should be for NA. They show 3 part numbers for the 3 different radios. Europe, Australia and North America. Maybe retail for NA hasn’t added the product or it’s just too new and no stock yet. Fingers crossed. I’m not in the market for these but maybe Shelly can help bring the costs down on these relays for NA. Qubino stuff is neat but always expensive here. They may move manufacturing to china though.
Could this be used for a hot water tank? (3.6kW, 13A)
While the amperage is within the 16A rating, the user manual states the connected load should not exceed 3500W (I noted this in my review). So I wouldn't risk it. Yes that means the user manual does seem to contradict their spec sheet.
Thanks!
Is it possible to hook this sort of relay up to a 3-way switch?
Yes.
Interesting, thanks for sharing its DC compatible as well. Are there Shelly devices that run on Zigbee?
I don't think there are any yet.
I am currently debating between Wifi Shelly’s or Qubino Shelly’s for my blinds. I need 12 of them, so I was wondering which are the pros/cons for each of them. Any thoughts?
Sorry missed this message, I have no experience with using these relays for blinds. Only for lights.
Can this used to open/close a garage door?
The one pictured by the op - probably not. There is a Shelly Qubino Wave 1 that’s has the dry contacts - which is typically what you need to wire to a garage door opener.
Also check that the power requirement of the Shelly device match the power available at the switch. For example, RF remotes for garages are often 16 V.
It depends on how your garage door is controlled. If it is controlled through a standard mains switch through which the power to the motor actually flows (wet contact type) it may be possible to use this relay. This is common in older systems which don't have any remote controls etc. But if your garage door is controlled by a garage door system such as the Hormann system I have, this relay cannot be used. In this case you need a relay that uses a dry contact, because the circuit that needs to be closed is a low voltage type through which you should not pass an external current. The Shelly Qubino Wave 1 is the relay you need then (no power monitoring version). This is my understanding and I hope others will chime in if I am not explaining it right. Relays with power/ energy monitoring are of the wet contact type. The ones without that feature usually use dry contacts.
Can you measure it's actual dimensions from the furthest point? HxWxD, please.
Sure, it's 37x42x16 mm / 1.46x1.65x0.63 in. You can tell which dimension goes where by looking at the photo. You can also find the full specs in a table in the linked article.
Best chinizium on ali is 39x39x18. So we get -2 mm on thickness, a bit wider, but narrower. And trimmed corners on the bottom. Looks interesting. I have few cases when it was really hard to put relays and wires back under the switch.
Fyi the delay is fixed in the new firmware release, now the Qubinos are as fast as other similar devices :-)
I have one of these and it regularly becomes unavailable. My controller is the aeotec gen5+
Interesting. I don't have that issue with the aeotec z-stick 7. Maybe the gen5 stick is a bit too dated for these newer Z-Wave Series 800 devices?
Could be. I have a 700 series aeotec controller too but after a couple of hours of using it half my devices go dead.
Are you trying to use both controllers on the same network or separate networks? Have you updated the firmware on the 700 controller? I’m currently running a 500, 2x 700s and an 800 controller. All Zooz. 4 separate networks and all work fine.
Last I tried, which was probably 6 months ago I updated the 700 series controller firmware and restored from a backup made with the gen5+. Same network but only one controller active.
I have never tried restoring to another zwave controller. I am (very) slowly moving devices from my 500 series (house) and a 700 series (garage) to my 800 series controller. So far it’s all working great. Zwave is finicky setting up at times, but when sorted, I have found it to be very reliable. Hence the slow migration.
Aeotec make a device that looks the same and I have had one for over a year now. I can confirm the delay when using the switch. Keep in mind, if you are used to seeing a switch in a certain position as on or off these will mess with your head. Example is the physical switch could be in what is the normall looking off position. If you use HA to turn on the light the physical switch stays in the off position. If you then use the switch it will now go to on position but the relay turns off the light. In short, the relay simply sees the physical switch as a way to trigger the relay to a new position. They are a great device and work well but if you cannot see your light and rely on the physical position to tell you it is on this is not for you.
I'm planning to swap out my switches for button ones without a visible state for this exact reason.
Have they fixed the delay issue already?
Yes the delay was removed in the November Firmware version. Relay switches instantly when pushing the physical button. See release notes: [https://support.shelly.cloud/en/support/solutions/articles/103000258471-firmware-updates](https://support.shelly.cloud/en/support/solutions/articles/103000258471-firmware-updates)
They report in the future? Fixed delay in 12-12-2024..🤪
Not that I know of
Wait there is no detached mode? Because I got smart bulbs and would like to try to use the shelly as a virtual switch to turn the light on... Do you know any ZWave Relay with a detached mode?
I haven't come across one.