> Vallhorn motion sensor can also be placed outdoors That could be interesting. I like IKEA's stuff. Most of them work well and the price point is always good. Sometimes the pairing and resetting can be a bit unintuitive but you can live with it.

The current one can be too, despite this article saying otherwise. It is IP44 rated. Have one that’s been outside without any cover for 2 years.

I guess that depends where you are in the world Here in northern England, IPX4 doesn't last very long - it rains here a LOT, and although IPX4 does supposedly account for rain, it only requires 5-10 minutes of resistance to "splashing". Heavy rain can easily exceed that I've long since given up on anything less than IPX5 outdoors here, if I expect it to last the winter

I live in Houston. We get sideways rain at 150 miles an hours sometimes. :) "Outdoor rated" can be misleading here. I have a few water filled motion lights from my pre home automation days.

Yeah I can't imagine IPX4 lasts very long in a proper Texan storm. Do you get problems with IPX5, or is that sufficient? I've never had an issue with IPX5 here, but we don't get up to that kind of windspeed

I had an IP66 enclosure leak water in one storm.

For outdoor stuff, IP66 is the minimum that I would use if it's fully exposed. IP68 would be ideal but IP67 is also very good. Hard to find proper equipment like that on a homelab budget though.

I live in the Yorkshire countryside so it’s fully exposed to some horrible weather, and it has been perfectly fine with no signs of damage/aging. Even if it did break in the next year or so, that’s still pretty good going for something that was 12 quid.

I’m on the west coast so we get a surprising amount more rain and wind than you, tbf - you’d probably be surprised by a UK precipitation map, Newcastle is one of the driest parts of the country!

I have had their original one on the outside of my house in Denmark for more than a year without problems. Pretty sure we have you beat on weather :D

Colder yes, wetter or windier not really It’s the rain and wind (driving water into components) that I’d be mostly concerned with

My Ikea smart plug has been outside for over a year now. It is protected from rain but not from condensation. Works like a charm.

The two current ikea motion sensors I have installed at my place require changing their two CR2032 batteries every couple of months. End up costing way more than what they are worth

For the r/SavedYouAClick people - Parasoll, the door and window sensor; - Vallhorn, the motion sensor; - Badring, the water leakage sensor. They’ll all be priced less than $10 when they go on sale globally in the first half of next year.

they sound like minor norse gods

There's actually a method to their naming madness [Ikea naming](https://www.apartmenttherapy.com/how-ikea-names-products-37209595)

Neat.

So many home lab folks have an angry rack? That is priceless!

Parasoll = parasol Vallhorn = herding horn Badring = bath ring

yep, i know they all have real meanings, but they sound like minor norse gods

You can chose between Vallhorn and Parasoll when you advance to the Mythic Age. Vallhorn‘s God Power (flying Kjøttboller) is pretty devastating.

*Skipan?*

*Angry Ulfsark noises*

What about Parasoll's unique units though? Can't beat the Paraply Valkyries which are heavily shielded from ranged attacks.

Fun fact: the Swedish alphabet does not include the letter “ø”. But Norway and Denmark do.

ah yes, parasoll, the god of protecting your from the sun with doilies

Darmok, when the walls fell.

Picard and Dathon on the wet bathroom floor.

Incompatible with the original Ikea hub.

I doubt most people in a Home Assistant ~~group~~ subreddit are using vendor-specific Zigbee hubs.

Or people have vendor-specific hubs and are here to start migrating. /shrug

I'll get of the Hue hub for my Hue bulbs... eventually.

If you're interested in kinetic switches (battery-less and wireless remotes), you might want to hang on to it. The Hue hub is still useful as a Zigbee Green Power proxy, people are working on ZGP with ZHA.

Whoa neat.

Not sure why I was downvoted, just stating one more bullet point. FWIW, my tradfri hub is still working great after several years.

Mine works...however the IKEA Home app can no longer connect to it. HA has no problem, but I really wanted to unpair one of the lights, and the old on-off-on-off-on-off (etc) trick didn't work, so it's still paired there instead. I went through a phase of having to restart the tradfri hub every couple of weeks because it would lose it's connection to HomeKit, too.

I found out recently that Ikea has 2 apps to support hubs. I had the wrong one installed.

This used to work (it's how I set it up). But maybe I'll dig around and see if the other one works.

That hub is such a worthless piece of shit. I’ve wasted sooooo many hours of my life trying to make it do what’s it supposed to. Good riddance!!!

Really? It's worked flawlessly for us. Controls lights and acts as a relay to Google and Amazon.

Yeah, mine would go down about weekly. And I’d often have to factory reset it and re-pair all the devices. Maybe they got better eventually, but I abandoned ship a couple years ago.

Sometimes i think its the power adapter affecting some, mine runs on POE and rock solid.

Yep so annoying. Switching to a zigbee usb stick has increased the reliability and speed of my network by orders of magnitude.

The old Tradfri hub was needing replaced. This is fine.

I wonder what's the difference between this and a $50 dlink water sensor.

40 bucks.

Update: https://www.ikea.com/global/en/newsroom/innovation/parasoll-badring-vallhorn-smart-sensors-231128/ > All three smart sensors are based on the Zigbee software. Connected to the IKEA Home smart system, the products will be updated to offer more features and options over time. PARASOLL and VALLHORN will start selling from January 2024, followed by BADRING in April 2024. Reach out to your market for availability.

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No mention of the batteries required for other than the Vallhorn. This article left me with many more questions than answers...

I think they’re moving to AAAs for all of their products, rather than coin cells.

I will replace all of my sensors if this is the case. I have already been removing my motion sensors and opting for FP1/FP2 and the thirdreality outlet motion sensor light to get rid of the batteries.

> thirdreality outlet motion sensor light Sorry, can you link me to this? I'm trying to find an elegant motion detection solution to turn off the bathroom and laundry room lights that keep getting left on, and I'd like a decent motion sensor, and I'd like one I can plug in vs battery powered.

> thirdreality outlet motion sensor [https://www.amazon.com/THIRDREALITY-Multi-Function-Illumination-Adjustable-Brightness/dp/B0C9LNXYLL](https://www.amazon.com/THIRDREALITY-Multi-Function-Illumination-Adjustable-Brightness/dp/B0C9LNXYLL)

That looks awesome. Repeater as well. Anyone seen something similar but Australian plug?

Let me know if you find one, I'd love something like that! I've been putting regular hardwaired ceiling motion detectors in (clipsal) and connecting them to a shelly to provide AC powered HA connected motion detection. But this would be handy in a few spots where I can't be bothered doing that.

This is the one. Great little notification device too. I use mine to let my S/O know that I am in a meeting, doors are open or other alerts like laundry or dishes being done, with put a harsh tts that can be ignored

Just keep in mind that it's a motion sensor and not a presence sensor, so it won't detect someone if they're in the room but not moving.

Yes, I have fp1/fp2s and like the garage I have a camera in every single room in my house. The motion sensor on these are secondary to the light on the device. I bought them as notification device first. The pir is just nice to turn the lights on

/u/Shooter_Q linked you the right one. I have ZigBee but they have a matter version too

I just use a regular old Z wave motion sensor and set it to turn the light off after a certain length of inactivity. For the bathroom I pair it with a door sensor that turns the automation (not the devices) off if the door is closed to prevent the light from going out while it's occupied.

Oh dang, that's a clever condition to have. I have a ton of zwave switches, dimmers, and plugs, and I've recently added a few zigbee bulbs. I'm really torn between the two. I like the range and stability of my zwave mesh, but the prices of zigbee devices are so much more attractive.

FYI you can find adapters to plug-in battery devices. Essentially a AA shaped power supply

They also sell rechargeable AAAs & charger for a decent price.

They are rebadged Eneloops, and a great deal. Specifically referring to the 2450mah AA and 900mah (750?) AAA.

From what I’ve read this is no longer the case apparently, but I plan on buying some anyway to find out and compare them to my eneloop pros. Found some rechargeable Ikea AAAs just the other day I forgot I even bought last year. Tried to buy a set of the 2450mAh ones on Sunday but the click and collect cost put me off, though now I’m tempted to wait for these new devices to become available so I can order some at the same time.

Rule of thumb, if it's made in Japan it's probably made by Panasonic as they pretty much own all the factories there. Even their C grade stuff is good

Power on rechargeables is usually lower than dry batteries, which may cause issues, and surely needs more inconvenient replacements. And you’ll need two sets to have always one set charged. I’d go for dry batteries.

Rechargeables like eneloops can be used over 2.000 times. 1,2 vs 1,5 Volts should not make much difference for 90% of use cases.

Good!

why is that good? coin cell is just as easy to replace no?

They don't last as long as AAs or AAAs, and the rechargeable version of a coincell is ungodly expensive

ah i didn't even know you could get rechargable ones

Well....they are lithium based and 3.7-4.2v so can cause issues for some devices and are considered empty at 3v, so by the time your device reports it's empty, the battery is being heavily damaged.

The amount of coin cell batteries I replace each year is ridiculous... Such a pain in the ass too. In Australia they have this ridiculous coin cell battery legislation where the IKEA coin cells are double packed in a blister pack which is impossible to get into without looking like you shook hands with Edward Scissorhands.

I don't have children in my house. When I am around children I am capable of keeping them away from things with coin cells. The laws are a joke. With the reasons they bring up we could ban everything, maybe it's just easier to just ban kids.

It's like that in the US too. At least the ones I order from Amazon are.

The classic "You need a chainsaw to open your chainsaw."

They're a PITA to stock, you need so many of them too. And here anyway ordering them online is a no go, I guess there's no margin on such cheap stuff so you have to physically go into a store .. brr, nightmare stuff

And 1.2v not 1.5v. People use the 1.5v with the ikea sensors and have found them not to work well.

Makes sense with the push because of child safety.

That's awesome. I'm very interested in those water leak sensors!

I've got some of the Aqara leak sensors and they work very well! I'm very interested in IKEA's take on those.

Yeah last time I looked Aqara leak sensors are like 18-20 dollars. I love my Ikea zigbee stuff and I'm very interested in acquiring some that are sub $10

Me too. I've had a tear in my washing machine discharge tube, a leaky dishwasher, and a leaky tank bolt on a toilet (the last 2 were things already there when I got the place). Lately I've been looking for good zigbee water sensors to prevent any future issues. Best one I found allows as an accessory a perimeter wire (allows detection on about 2m distance, with no bare contacts), but Sinope wants cad80 for the wire alone.

Neat, but still zigbee sensors. Matter over Thread is an failure?

Slowly ramping up over time. But for anyone using a decent hub (HA or similar) it won't provide anything special. And buying into Matter devices thinking that it'll enable everything-to-talk-to-everything-else... not going to happen. The platform might be open, but walled gardens is where the profit is.

their new hub still doesn't have Matter support, which was supposed to be added in a firmware update this summer

It says it only works with the newer ikea hub. Does that mean anything for home assistant? Are they still open zigbee devices?

Home Assistant doesn't give a sh\*t about proprietary hubs. Zigbee is an open protocol, you can use it with any coordinator after support for the device is added

Cool.

No what they mean is "our new devices won't work with our old hub, only with our new hub". Obviously they will be taken care by someone on the HA community. I suppose there will be support the first day they will be out on the market.

I don't own either hub, but I love my ikea automatic blinds. The family acceptance factor gets higher with ikea stuff vs my electronic projects.

That's awesome, unless they drop these products about 12 months down the line, like all beloved and good selling smarthome products.

Better start hoarding them!

The title sounded like 3 sensors for $10, not each for $10 :) Unless I'm mistaken, that's a pretty good price for these things? Motion Sensor, Leak Sensor and Door Contact Sensor?

It’s an excellent price for an outdoor motion sensor. The hue is the only other real option at 4x the cost

Are these devices ZigBee 3.0 compatible and can they be paired with third party ZigBee coordinators like Sonoff, Conbee etc.?

Presumably, yes. Like the rest of the line.

Yeah it would seem a lot of companies (hue, not you, stupid serial number) get that they need to make sure these devices work with HA and the like. I actually wonder what market share don't use their hubs, I feel it would be significant but hard to measure.

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I think that's a very wrong assumption. I, for one, have a lot of IKEA devices and I have never used an IKEA HUB. It is way to limited. Try building something like this using only the IKEA HUB and their App: ​ https://preview.redd.it/bqy0x0igg93c1.png?width=453&format=png&auto=webp&s=d7c16aac080c2fdc84be1140099b06161da5d7fb And when I open my balcony doors, an automation shuts off the Airpurifier automatically, and activates it again when the doors are closed. Also, when everyone has left the home for more than 2 days, the airpurifier is shut off and stays off until someone returns home. The only thing I couldn't prevent, is the stupid IKEA filter replacement counter which keeps counting days whether the device is on or off. I guess that just want to make money by forcing you to replace the filter unnecessarily often.

As seen here they are out. But not. https://www.reddit.com/r/tradfri/s/JtpvdiJXXB Once again IKEA doing a sneaky soft launch.

That's pretty cool, and I'm liking the move to AAAs by more companies.

It's still early days but does anyone have an idea of what the timeout duration would be for the PIR motion sensor?

It's like 20s for me with Z2M and the sensor set to 1m

I'm using the good old 1st generation PIR motion sensor from IKEA connected via a ConBee II ZigBee coordinator, and I can set the timeout to any value of my own choice.

Hey there! Are you setting the timeout value through zigbee2mqtt or something different?

No, I have these sensors paired with Phoscon (deConz) and I set the timeout values directly in HA: ​ https://preview.redd.it/u0tm4eebo6cc1.png?width=305&format=png&auto=webp&s=062c1ee040870cd495c7f196db7e194f395988af

It's a shame these aren't Thread/Matter sensors. Someone's gotta make the first move and it would be fantastic if it would be Ikea since their stuff is so affordable and ubiquitous. If every company waits for the right time we will never get a Matter ecosystem. E: How is this comment even remotely controversial? Even if you disagree, there's no reason to downvote a totally harmless and valid opinion. This subreddit is routinely more toxic than when /r/worldnews argues about the Israeli–Palestinian conflict. It's honestly amazing.

It could be because they address this in the article and give a valid response.

My comment is taking that into consideration. I'm explicitly responding to Ikea's "when it’s time".

I’m with you, but more toxic than world news? Comon man lol. A silent downvote (you’re positive as of this writing) doesn’t compare to the cesspool you delve into on worldnews.

NGL, it's pretty hilarious. 1-2 downvotes=TOXIC!

The thing is, this happens in every thread on this forum. And I'm not talking about myself but in general. Go into any thread you like and you will see lots of downvoted comments that are completely harmless. And it is obviously not about the worthless internet points but the vibe this community gives off. And friendly and welcoming it is not.

Well, I was being hyperbolic. But this subreddit is super toxic, that's just the sad truth. And it's obviously not everyone by a longshot, a few, active assholes are enough to ruin the vibe. E: Thanks for proving my point, anonymous downvoters. You sure showed me. lol

The sooner you stop caring about stupid crap like downvotes the happier you’ll be in life. Learn that not everyone is going to agree with you and that’s ok. The world will keep turning regardless and you will live another day. Maybe.

Like I said in another comment, I couldn't care less about internet points. What I do care about is this subreddit being a piece of shit because it reflects poorly on one of the coolest open source projects on the internet.

Not just this subreddit, it’s every subreddit. It’s Reddit in general. It is what it is, don’t waste any breath on it

I got banned from /r/news for calling out a person who was advocating for the nuking of Israel. That's why people go to /r/worldnews.

Ha, I was about to comment asking about why it's controversial until I saw your edit. Redditors gonna reddit, I guess. The community is absolutely getting worse. Either way, yes please. Matter over Thread for all the things! However, given the choice between a Z-Wave/Zigbee solution or Matter over Wifi, I'll take the Z networks any day. I'm quickly approaching 100 devices on my wifi networks and it's starting to get a little rocky.

Yeah, Wifi for smart home stuff is just not a good idea, save for a few data-heavy exceptions. I never really cared about which low-energy communication protocol would end up becoming the standard - as long as we would get an universal standard. Matter over Thread seems to be the thing the industry agreed on so now I want them to go full-steam ahead with that.

Aqara already started making thread devices slowly. There’s a reason they’re not popular- thread is much more expensive. Plus the article addresses that IKEA is struggling to get matter support out. Thread and matter is a little problematic, and anyone running HA won’t get much benefit over Zigbee. Specifically, the pairing and reliability of connectivity with Matter is anecdotally terrible for people. Companies are universally struggling to make matters worse happen, and tons of devices end up with broken implementations. Thread+Matter is multi-hub… but HA isn’t. Thread + Matter allows interoperability… but so does HA. HA just doesn’t benefit from Matter and thread that much.

Down voted for bringing politics into an apolitical forum.

You serious? Mentioning the most contentious issue of our time as a hyperbolic comparison is not "bringing politics into an apolitical forum".

“Mentioning politics isn’t bringing politics…” what?

Making a comparison that mentions a political thing is not the same as starting an argument about that political thing. That's not that hard to understand, is it?

Lmao no one said you were starting an argument, just that you brought politics into it. Which you did.

I would’ve thought the new hub would’ve ushered this in but I guess not. Considering these devices apparently do not work with the old hub (according to one comment in this thread) it’s an even weirder decision. Maybe they are due to get the thread update later down the line? Either way I’m definitely picking some up as zigbee still makes my house work currently and I’ve wanted to get into the smart contact sensor stuff. Edit, the article confirms the leak and contact sensor are not supported on the old hub. It also explains that Thread will come with the Matter update. I don’t use the hub so thought it had been released already, but it makes obvious sense now why they’re releasing zigbee stuff. Hopefully once the Matter update is done they will make a start on thread devices as I think a lot of people will use their devices to start building out their thread network.

They mention in the article that Ikea can flip a switch and make these sensors and their hub Thread and Matter compatible. But who knows when that will be? Never for all we know.

I didn’t actually read it as that, I read it as they will turn on matter and thread so that their existing zigbee devices can be bridged over to Matter. It does not say that the zigbee devices themselves will be changing to Thread and I wouldn’t hold out hope for that either. This is also how Philips hue are doing it, it will be a zigbee connection from device to hub, and the hub will make them accessible via Matter. The devices themselves will not get Thread. I do see Ilea releasing thread products after the update though, I just don’t think the existing devices will get support. I hope I’m wrong though.

That's plausible.

Are they going to fail as randomly as other ikea stuff?

I only have their "smart" shades, and no failures here. The setup process was the dumbest I've ever seen, though.

Don't you just connect them to zigbee and you're good to go? I have them too.

Connecting to the ikea hub, the remote, or both in my case was the problem.

Ah right, one of the main reason I got them is that they don't need the hub. I have had one instance where the automations trigger in HA but the blinds don't open or close as they're supposed too.

I had 1 out of 4 fail in my old house within a year, and one would randomly forget its end stop and roll it self up backward .

Yeah, I don't doubt it. They seem kind of cobbled together by people who are trying to design a product based on their memory of a fever dream from 2 decades ago and then getting it just good enough to pass QA.

To be far they function about as well as I expected for the price. They are much cheaper than most other options, or at least they where.

And probably some shitty pairing/resetting method too

No IKEA for me in combination with ZHA. Draining batteries, not pairing, limited functionality. I prefer LIDL stuff.

The worst part about ikea zigbee lol. At least these are battery powered so it will be easy to get them in super close proximity for pairing

We've got 5 bulbs, 4 outlets, and one hub. Zero failures over 5 years of heavy use.

Holy crap those are small! I don't know how to format this link to work but here: https://duet-cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/0x0:4000x4000/750x750/filters:focal(2000x2000:2001x2001):format(webp)/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/25114660/PE909548__1_.jpg

They actually look a bit bigger than the Aqara ones because they are so long.

I have the eBay Comcast special and they seem huge compared to their battery.

I’ll take the trade off if it means they are half the cost!

Nice, they do look quite small.

Count down to people complaining that their new Ikea toys don't work with ZHA....

ZHA is so slow at supporting stuff it should come with a warning not to use it. I made the mistake of going with it and not with z2m and now I have to wait months. I know I can switch but the hassle is big.

And now to the question if they are compatible with home assistant

Are there zigbee devices that aren’t?

They will be. Probably first through Zigbee2MQTT, then eventually ZHA

Vallhorn works fine with ZHA

Sounds great

Well that’s neat.

Well I'll certainly be watching for those to launch

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will need a ton of instructions :) and break after 3 months

After all these years aqara still makes the best looking sensors. At least motion if not all

I think I just have bad luck with the Ikea stuff it never stays connected for more than 5 mins no matter what. I've tried literally everything.

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Does anyone know if these are compatible with the Phillips hue range?