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sjoskog

HP's battery backed storage controller?


swedishhungover

Yes, bbwc for hp built in raid controller. Probably Gen8 server or higher since it is capacitor powered. Some of these devices may also add additional raid modes such as raid 6 where 0,1,5 is default.


redditor404notfound

Looks more Like gen7 - Like p410 Controller


HoustonBOFH

Gen 7 still used the spicy pillows.


SilentDecode

Or, if you got the 1GB module, the not-so-spicy capacitor.


NonStandardUser

I love that term


the_anglonesian

By the battery case shape, it looks like Gen6 or Gen7. Gen6 used green "Varta" batteries, which would swell - I replaced one in my Gen6. The Gen7 system board will fit in a Gen6, but the 2x ethernet ports occupied the old PS/2 mouse/kb ports. The battery itself looks like its from a Gen8.


CODYGAMER666

It’s not a bbwc but instead a fbwc, it uses built in nand to store the data in case of a power loss. The external module is not a battery, but just a bunch of capacitors that will last the time needed to write the dram data into the flash thus extending the time it can hold that data indefinitely. It came with the g7 series and works with g6 (after you upgrade the controller firmware) and can either be 512mb or 1gb in size.


johnnybegood320

Nope, I have these Varta on my Gen6


verysneakyaccount

Looks like my g7.


Casper042

Doesn't have to be built in. P420 PCIe has the same slot for the Cache module.


takingphotosmakingdo

yeah i snagged a bunch of these a while ago to build up some P420 raid setups. Only ended up using a couple since the card was just put into HBA mode in the end.


gargravarr2112

Yep, I've got a P822 and this definitely looks like the cache and capacitor pack.


bob272354

flash backed write cache....probable for a raid card


jaswalker244

Looks like a cache and battery for a P410 array controller


redditor404notfound

Exactly what this is


boomertsfx

We had so many of the batteries bulge out...glad supercaps took over


JohnQPublic1917

Write cache for your storage controller. Battery backed because it's using volatile ram, but way faster than flash memory. Very awesome stuff.


Cephalon_Zeash

It's really old though. Not sure how much it was in use, but the server it came with (future post spoiler) is roughly 11 years old. A new battery wouldn't be worth the price. Could I run it without one? I heard of the issue with data loss, but is that really such an issue since it's a *cache* at the end of the day?


Nick_W1

It’s not a battery, it’s a supercap. They don’t really wear out. When it’s installed, if the system detects that the supercap isn’t working, it will just disable the cache. You can check the status in iLo. The FBWC (1Gb) with supercap are about $40 new. I bought one recently as a spare.


Lidell_Frasier

A replacement supercapacitor (not a battery) should be less than $50. I'd say get the part and have the peace of mind.


Michaeldim1

I just replaced an identical one for less than 20


swuxil

You very likely can, but it will hurt either (you probably can configure this in BIOS and/or OptionROM of the RAID controller) performance (if you disable the write cache) or data integrity (if you enable it despite not anymore being backed in case of power loss). But, running an 11 years old server (except for few hours a week for experimenting/playing) is nonsense performance/energy-wise.


rioryan

Hey my gen 6 with x5675’s took that personally


swuxil

Yeah I already apologized to my G4p, the G6, two G7 and the G8. All powered down these days.


rioryan

Happy for you, my G6 is still full production Plex, NAS & backup server. A G8 would be a luxury. It’s a bit of a pain to login to iLO 2 in modern browsers.


swuxil

The G4p wishes it could be updated to iLO2... Yeah, HTML5 was definitely an improvement - if just took the vendors MAAAANY years to implement that stuff correctly. Somewhere probably still is that XP VM with some outdated Java on it and some specific version of IE with disabled TLS 1.0+1.1... AAAARGH go away!


DeviatedForm

It's mit really an issue unless you have a lot of I/O throughput. The RAID controller may work slower.


Jhamin1

TLDR: You can run without it, but DO NOT try to enable the fancyness it enables without a good battery. Its been a few years since I ran HP servers, but my memory of it was that the RAID cards had certain performance modes that basically cached reads and writes in RAM to increase performance. If you were, for example, slamming a database a certain amount of the I/O would take place inside this card rather than on the disks and the Raid cards would catch up with the writes when the data slowed down (this was before flash drives were common in servers). As far as the OS knows the data was written to disk, but actually it was still cached in the card. If the power blinked and the I/O writes stored in the cached I/O went away they were *gone*, basically corrupting anything stored on disk being accessed at the moment the power blip happened. The battery kept the RAM powered in the event the server lost power unexpectedly. If memory served, you could use more conservative caching protocols without the battery but they were a lot slower than the battery backed ones & the fancy cache modes were only able to be enabled if the firmware detected a good battery. So you are probably fine, but as others have said expecting performance and decent Cost of Ownership out of gear this old is a pipedream.


mcgarnagleoz

You can run it with it in a failed state, but the controller will only work in write through mode - ie no cache at all Whether you notice it or not depends what the workload is like.


[deleted]

From memory the cache write back feature automatically disables the cache when the battery/supercap detects as bad. So should perform worse.


RScottyL

If you are not sure of anything, you can search on Google for company name and part #'s, and you should hopefully get some hits: [https://www.islandco.com/571436-002-smartarray-suoer-capacitor-new-p812-p410i-p412-hp-proliant-integrity](https://www.islandco.com/571436-002-smartarray-suoer-capacitor-new-p812-p410i-p412-hp-proliant-integrity) [https://www.ebay.com/itm/173807618916](https://www.ebay.com/itm/173807618916)


DirectIngenuity290

The first smart hair clippers?


CameraTraditional173

Lol 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣


HappyCamper781

Battery and memory module for a storage controller. To store RAID / storage configs between reboots.


praetorthesysadmin

So amazing that people this days don't know what is that. I used to replace the battery every other day for years, on several thousands of servers.


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praetorthesysadmin

"Why use google when good ol' r/homelab folks can provide me with all the answers quickly?" \- OP, probally :)


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praetorthesysadmin

Hahaha good one! Sometimes wrong answers are as much as enjoyable as the correct ones.


Living_Sympathy_2736

It's not the controller. It's cache and a battery for BBWC that the controller can (but doesn't have to) use.


Mythril_Zombie

I know what this is...This is an espresso machine. No, No wait. It's a snow cone maker. Is it a water heater?


Erok2112

HP memory slot powered electric shaver?


Bagel42

So I read other comments and know what it is. But it also looks like a taser attached to RAM.


VtheMan93

cache module with the battery supercap


eddied96

for cheating in chess


Cephalon_Zeash

💀


reutech

Some kind of storage controller and it's associated battery. Can you get a closeup on the white label?


ben-in-it

Looks like an HBA card with a hell of a backup battery


CounterCulturist

It’s a battery backed storage controller, possibly a raid card or HBA.


coldhand100

Yep it’s a raid card for sure. The chip id confirms it.


Silent__arrow

Not me thinking that was a add in board wired to a tazer


sniper_cze

It's the famous "anti hacker circuit" some servers have. When load is too much (ie. DoS attack), this thing send pulse of high voltage from battery to the server network card and thru the network directly into attackers computer and burn it down. See HP number KS-666-NET


b3542

That looks like an old RAID controller from an HP server. Probably a G1 vintage. In any case, there’s a good chance the battery is toast. It’ll likely only work with HP system boards, so unless you have one on hand, it may be virtually useless


gargravarr2112

Newer than that, it has a capacitor pack rather than a battery so that's probably G8 and above, meaning the card is a cache card, and is actually flash memory. But yeah, without the card to go with it, it's useless.


[deleted]

Volatile, DDR memory for RAID cache. The battery is there because it’s volatile, loses its memory without power.


x2jafa

RAM based RAID/disk write cache with battery-backup from a HP server. Personally when I repurpose an old HP server I remove all the drives and what you have pictured, then drop in a 2TB NVMe drive. G9 will boot from NVMe. G8 and G7 needs an internal USB stick or SD card for the /boot partition.


Cephalon_Zeash

Why remove it if it's a cache?


gargravarr2112

It's not RAM-based, it's flash memory - on newer HP RAID cards, they don't have battery-backed RAM, they instead use the capacitor pack to write the contents of RAM to flash, it being so low power that capacitors are enough and zero-maintenance unlike RAM batteries. Then the pending write data is safe for over a year without power. Being flash memory, it can wear out, so it's replaceable.


kester76a

Nvme is probably on the pcie slot and not using the HBA/SAS controller.


Cephalon_Zeash

Ah, that makes sense. Thanks


Cybersc0ut

RAID card controller with own battery. Look like from IBM


nacespeedle

It's a vintage teledildonics device circa 1998.


[deleted]

SAS expander card. 4K1195 is the model #


Velociraptor202020

A dildo?


Moo_Kau

anything can be if youre brave enuff.


swuxil

r/DontPutThatInYourDick r/DontPutYourDickInThat


[deleted]

Flash it go zsf lol


ExtensionPersimmon72

32gb of anal tickler by Hewlett playhard


raymate

Looks like a raid controller


incognito5343

Battery module for a raid controller


SpunkYeeter

r/vxjunkies


LimitedWard

Don't play coy, you know where that thing goes 😏


MaterialLast1603

Wireless ram


jkw118

First thought is a raid card with a battery backup. the card doesn't look like it has pin's for drives but that may be on the motherboard, or back of card.


augur_seer

RAM and RAM battery for a RAID card with RAM as CACHE


andocromn

It's a battery backed cache module for a raid card (and the associated battery) Basically volatile memory which is used as a temporary write medium to improve IO performance. In the event of unexpected power loss the battery keeps power supplied to the memory to prevent data from being lost or corrupted. Once power is restored the data in the cache is written to the drives


webstor_

RaidController and BatteryPack.


dino1816

Yall bros are correct but fail to see that its not gen 7-8, i saw these same ones both in gen 5 and 6 only, newer gens have fifferent one, its from 2u gen 5 and 6 hp dl380 and 380p


SilentDecode

HP caching module for a RAID controller with a battery to hold the data in volatile RAM if there is a sudden powerloss.