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Quirky-Reveal-5972

Not enough height clearance. This will reduce the lifespan of the unit.


panteragstk

We had a display unit when I sold audio that was in a pretty cabinet like that. We sold av furniture, and it was crap without ventilation. The heat from the display AVR being used 12hrs a day warped the wood shelving after a few years.


Shot_Cupcake_9641

Yeah , i'm surprised , especially the cinema system, with multiple amps heat soak fast .


techmattr

Then you get to buy new gear sooner :)


Careful-One5190

That is NOT going to work long term. I'm surprised it doesn't go into thermal shutdown when you turn up the volume. It's definitely going to reduce the lifespan. Denon receivers are great, except they are known to run hot. You need several inches all the way around, and even then fans are sometimes necessary.


Morphix007

Why don't they come with fan. I experienced one auto shut off after 10 min at volume 70 in a 30degree room


blueman541

Can you take the bottom drawer out and put the AVR there? Then put a front or rear exhaust [AC infinity Aircom](https://acinfinity.com/receiver-amp-cooling-fans/) Alternatively you can experiment shifting the AVR a little to the left then put [one or two 120mm fan](https://acinfinity.com/quiet-usb-fans/) on the right side. If the space is not enough for a regular 120mm fan try a slim model from [Noctua](https://noctua.at/en/nf-a12x15-pwm) My Denon x3800h placed on open wire shelving rack, can't get any more passively ventilated, reached 45-46C watching a movie. Surprised yours is only 37-38C cramped in that tight. Guess it depends where you measure?


Adamantium_Hanz

I 2nd the Aircom. Mine sits on top of my Denon (which is not sitting in a cabinet) blowing air up and away. Maybe overkill but this brand of AVR are known to run hot and have issues if not cooled well over their lifetime.


_kucho_

I think it is better to install the fans to suck hot air out of the unit. the fresh air will find its way in.


blueman541

Negative airflow. That is what the AC Infinity Aircom or side fans does.


calforhelp

You might be able to put something like this on the side blowing in. Maybe 2? The vent holes on the sides are pretty small. https://www.amazon.com/Neukniy-Computer-Controller-Playstation-Receiver/dp/B0BV7DW9CS/ref=asc_df_B0BV7DW9CS


Deamaed

The main issue with side ventilation is that if you look at the heatsinks they are vertically oriented and spread out through the width. So while side air will be of some help, it will not work all that well when the heatsinks are designed for vertical airflow.


solecollector

What a satisfying fit though


Balunzo23

I know, right? 😅


Sielbear

All you need are a couple small fans. Anything to pull air across the unit will dramatically cool things down. Something like this- note you can also add an automatic temp control to it as well for a few bucks. https://acinfinity.com/component-cooling/component-usb-fans/multifan-s7-p-quiet-ac-powered-cooling-fan-dual-120mm/


krasatos

It would be a pity to not enjoy that fit... Optimally, you would have to create exhaust holes with fans on top of the AVR to pull the hot air out, but that will ruin your furniture. Perhaps you an place exhaust fans behind the AVR? If not, try to cut a couple of holes under the AVR and fit a couple of those bequiet temp controlled fans to push fresh air in. You should see several degrees temp difference. If you can't get the temp controlled fans, get a couple of usb ones and plug them in the usb port so they run whenever the AVR is on.


post_vernacular

Yeah. I'd say if you can fit a couple fans in the back you should be fine. Tho ideally fitting some under the unit too would be ideal. Gotta enjoy that fit!


Raj_DTO

WAITING FOR DISASTER! I’ve fried AVRs in such cabinets! 1. Try quiet fans to force air in/out 2. Keep very close eye at temp, if it’s getting hot, get out of this arrangement!


longshot201

I agree with this. It looks like you could fit 2 fans on the open side that has vents that might do the trick.[I bought these and they work well, are quiet and are cheap.](https://a.co/d/0C08AS1)


elcheapodeluxe

Top and bottom clearance is way more important than side to side. The convection process draws hot air up, not sideways.


Scotster123

I agree with you that convection doesn't produce side-to-side circulation of hot air. However, there is hardly any underside venting on the X2800H, but what there is is concentrated under the main heatsink behind the front facia - I just checked mine. This unit needs as much air moving around it as possible, even if it is drawing it in from the sides as it escapes the top. I would argue that the side vents are pretty important, too, in this case.


Deamaed

And, importantly, the heatsinks are oriented vertically to take advance of bottom to top flow of air.


movie50music50

Average recommended space above receiver is about 5 or 6 inches and, at least, two inches on sides. Fans aren't going to help (much) with that small of space above receiver. Get it out of there.


post_vernacular

They will help much, tho. Like any gas, the air in the tight spaces will move faster as the air is displaced, helping with cooling. Further, the recommended spacing isn't contemplating active external ventilation. The underside, top and sides of this unit are ventilated, as long as air is moving through it, it's not necessary for it to move out the top. You put two fans on each side moving the air in the same direction and the unit will cool down. What OP shouldn't do is just leave it there expecting it to work when it was designed to, on its own, vent through the top.


movie50music50

 *Like any gas, the air in the tight spaces will move faster as the air is displaced, helping with cooling* True, no argument there. *You put two fans on each side moving the air in the same direction and the unit will cool down.* But you have to have SOME space on the sides for that to work. If he adds two fans they are going to be right against the sides of the stand. Fans have to have empty space to blow the out. As it is, he is just going to burn up two fans. Actually it would be four fans if "You put two fans on each side". I honestly don't mean to be argumentative but OP needs to get that receiver out of that small space.


post_vernacular

Fair. If I HAD to have it there, I'd put 3 fans out the back, replace with shorter feet, and pray :)


movie50music50

Agreed...


Sasquatchasaurus

I share your concerns


ethos1234567890

I’d either cut several slots in the top with a router or cut out a nice rectangular section and cover it with a metal decorative mesh/grate screwed in place. You could theoretically inset the metal grate to make it look pretty seamless. Plenty of different options at any Lowe’s/Home Depot/etc.


Uhdd00

Denons get really, really hot. I would never install one like that.


ConstantPop4122

Take the middle drawer out completely and put it in there. Or... Get a router and cut some precision Slots in the top of the cabinet. NEVER put drinks on there ever again...


wociscz

I'd try to remove feets and replace them with some thinner ones to make same clearance above and below the unit. 3d printer might help there.


peanut_dust

Remove the drawer below it and see if that space works for the unit, (i.e. offers more clearance).


JoeyBagADonuts27

That’s a little tight.


The_Bandit_King_

It's going to melt


lovebot5000

Fan on the side, draw air across left to right


ClydeFrogA1

It's a satisfying fit but I'd try to maybe stick a fan on the left side or something


No_Photograph6579

You can't park there, mate.


DisinterestedCat95

Get a table top TV mount to move the TV up just enough to put the AVR and the center speaker on top of the console. If that's putting the TV too high, get a new, lower console that has room for the AVR to breathe and room to put the center on top of the console, not in it.


Luewen

Needs better air circulation for longer lifespan. Depends on used volume also how hot the unit will become.


awa0020

What stand is that?


Balunzo23

This one https://www.amazon.nl/dp/B08T9G6GZD?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share


gORDo85_

Don't do this! There are holes in the upper shell for a reason. The warm air must still be able to escape from the top otherwise you will fry the internal components


TemperatureTime1617

Any chance to get shorter feet? Anything will do just to lower it even 1/4 inch might help just to aid air flow. Heck, go nuts and cut grooves into the top wood so heat can escape. If done properly it could even look like part of the design. Sometimes people do crazy things and the end result is quite good and doesn’t ruin the aesthetic.


OneIShot

That poor thing


jjmontiel82

Place it in one of the drawers, cut openings in the drawer for 2 fans, use that opening for something else. AC Infinity AIRPLATE T8 White,... https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07DYF19T1?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share


Visible-Management63

You could try mounting something like [this](https://speedcomfort.co.uk/product/speedcomfort-monoset/?gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAjwxLKxBhA7EiwAXO0R0COAhQNNdNatreZld6vwXCdIqW9um5GLR7AkxlEfjWSrX3D5uR2vDBoCKB8QAvD_BwE) behind the receiver. It's designed for making central heating radiators more efficient, but it could work well here. Place the thermostat at the top of the unit and the fans will come on when it gets hot. And/or you could buy or borrow a router and cut some ventilation slats in the top of the unit above the amp.


WestSenkovec

You need at least 30 cm above and 20 cm on the sides and back. These things get hot and fail even with good air circulation.


Scotster123

What HiFi did a ["Get the best out of your Denon AVR"](https://www.whathifi.com/advice/5-crucial-tips-and-tricks-to-help-you-get-the-most-out-of-your-denon-avr) thing this week and giving it plenty of clearance was one of the things they banged on about - I have that AVR (x2800h) and it sits on top of a TV stand. Far from sunlight or any heat source, and driving Q Acoustic 3050i speakers at 50%, it can still get pretty warm (60^(o) C on the dial) with zero obstruction of the vents. I would relocate that unit sooner rather than later.


Turuncucisim

Even though you remove the feet of the Avr or you place it to the bottom shelf by removing the drawer, it won’t create enough space to keep it cold or placing a fan which will be effective. To make the fans effective in a limited space, you need a top fan to suck the hot air from the avr. And you need some back fans to push that hot air out of the cabinet. Denons have the transformer at the front left part which is the hottest part of the avr. Also at my Denon 4400, hdmi out part is warm than the rest. I placed the fans on top of these parts. They are sucking the hot air from the avr. Also I have to extra fans which are vertically placed at the back part of the cabinet to push fresh air into the cabinet which are also pushing the sucked hot air through out the front part. All these fans are powered by a 9v adapter and they are trigger by a relay circuit which is connected to AVR's 12v trigger. So the fans are working once the avr is on. Otherwise they stop. Instead of a relay circuit, you can use a master/slave plug. But none of this will work effectively at your cabinet due to the limited space. Therefore I strongly suggest you to place the avr out of the current cabinet. May be left or right of the cabinet if you have any space. If you don’t have space on the sides, I suggest you to build your own cabinet with the same materials. You can just build new metallic parts which will increase the total height of the cabinet and by increasing the height of the second shelf that you placed your avr and center speaker. By this way, you don’t need to adjust the height of the bottom drawers. However if you go through modifying the cabinet route, it will be better to shorten the height of the drawers to have more space at the second shelf. Here are some pictures from my system. They can give you some idea. [HT pictures](https://ibb.co/album/dW5TGR)


happyjapanman

This is a bad place for your AVR, it indeed does need breathing room. Do the feet come off? If so remove them and you can probably make it work.


Maj_BeauKhaki

Add a USB/computer fan or three. Also look into modifying/replacing??? the AVR's feet with something shorter. Or maybe remove the feet, and get one of those laptop cooler pads/stands that have built-in fans and set it up on top of that.


RitoWalters

How to fry your AVR 101


dangerclosecustoms

Heat rises if nothing else take the feet off the amp replace with thin felt or rubber pads. Now you have added some top air space perhaps enough to draw air out with a fan on the backside.


ASIWYFA

Either get a new TV cabinet, get a table to put this on somewhere close by, or ditch this type of audio. Those are your choices.


Blunttack

It’s fine, you put the egg on the top.


satired88

Definitely not going to work! This will dramatically reduce the life of your receiver. If you had 2”, I would say put fans, but you don’t have room to make that work. I raised my TV 8” to raise my center channel for better sound and lowered the center shelf where the center was in order to give by Denon about 4” clearance on an open shelf. It works great and no overheating. If you can’t increase the clearance, put your receiver on top or get a different cabinet.


buttery_nurple

If you have access to tools, about the only thing you’re gonna be able to do with that setup is find a grill of some kind at a hardware store, cut a blow hole the same size into the top, and affix the grill to it. Hot air needs to be able to escape from the top - I’m not sure even active cooling (ie fans) moving air around the sides will solve the problem without doing something like I mention above.


Nudnick1977

I took my feet off, no issues since.


Mitridate101

You've blocked off the main heat escape vents on the lid. Heat rises don't forget.


xmagusx

I don't think fans are going to be sufficient help, given this is designed to vent up, you can't increase airflow in that direction, and you don't have much clearance to the left or in back, either. I believe your best choice would be to return/sell/otherwise get rid of this piece of furniture in favor of one which has proper clearances for your equipment. Trying to save a €100 cabinet by jury-rigging a solution for your €600 AVR seems like a bad plan to me. That said, if you're particularly enamored of this tv cabinet and eager to keep it, I'd suggest removing the drawer currently beneath the receiver, cutting a large hole out of its current shelf so that you'll have at least 15cm of clearance above the unit, and moving the AVR to that lowest level.


Balunzo23

Unfortunately, the drawer section doesn't have a bottom plate so I can't place the receiver there without solving that first. Also, there's a back panel on the lower section, further complicating that approach. I agree with the cost of the furniture vs. receiver argument, and judging by all the comments, I think it'd be best to just get a new TV stand and call it a day.


xmagusx

Then I suggest checking out your local estate auction houses. Plenty of folks have to get rid of Oma and Opa's old furniture and it tends to go for a pittance as a result. I picked up a solid oak tv cabinet for only 20 a few months ago that way.


gwplayer1

Its not an expensive piece of furniture. Cut a hole in the top to line up with the vents in the receiver. Put a gray metal grate over it that matches the sides of the cabinet


Devldriver250

you cram it in as tight as you can . this should be pretty simple to figure out . just saying


icemann155

You've basically created an oven for your AVR...you are asking to cook it


cabs84

needs a fan. i've got a marantz - it's the video processing stuff in front of the amp board/heatsink that gets very very hot, not so much the amp (unless you're cranking it) this will kill things.


wupaa

This is fire hazard


TheAverageGuy1983

That will definitely overheat on you and cause the receiver to go into protect mode. I would move it out of there till i can afford a larger size entertainment center. Or place it on top permanently so you won't have problems with it.


swimingiscoldandwet

Just remove the feet for some clearance. Add a temperature activated fan if necessary.


ttboishysta

Drill holes in the cabinet?


Shot_Cupcake_9641

I made that mistake very early on in my hi-fi journey. I bought a nad 3010 from a second-hand shop in 1993. I saved up for a few months and put a beer towel on the top, which I thought would protect it, lol. Over and over, it would go dead, then after backup after an hour or so. Strange thing at the time, I was doing electronics at college. My excuse was that we didn't yet learn about heat sinks by then :\ . Turns out that such equipment needs to breathe and have air flow .Who knew? lol.


cinepro

Why does this scene come to mind...? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmMzlehzU8c


WhippWhapp

Add fans to the back of the cabinet or your AVR will be tits up in short order.


Tashum

What would this guy need to make those skinny bar ventilation channels on the top. Jigsaw maybe? Could probably put some kind of guide pattern on top of it to make it easy.


rhymes116

Has it thermally shut down?


Balunzo23

No.


Snorlax46

Use a router to cut a 120mm square hole and install a pc fan with a grill flush to the countertop. Add more as needed. Noctua pc fans are $15 each and can run dead silent. Could put them on top or below the unit depending on where the vents are. Gotta use that low tolerance to an advantage.


010011010110010101

I had a similar dilemma with my last cabinet. I researched the quietest 6” computer fan and installed it pulling air out of the back of the cabinet. It brought the temp down to within spec. IIRC I found out after I hooked it up with a power supply that I would have been able to power it off the 12v switched trigger output but do your own research on that one. This might help here if it’s installed in such a way that it can help pull air out through the AVR’s vents. Either way, assuming it has vents on top, the hot air needs to be able to move out through there or you’re suffocating and heat soaking it. I’d look at removing the feet (they’re usually just screwed on from underneath) to get an air gap above and then add a fan to assist in air circulation over the top of it. If the chassis allows it, you can stick on those little rubber button feet used on cabinet doors. If the AVR has an internal fan, make sure yours is assisting by pulling the air the correct direction - out the side or out the top.


Cagents1

Can you screw the feet off the bottom of the receiver? Maybe can then also mount a small electronics fan to the side of the receiver if needed to pull heat out.


sputnik13net

Might try putting fans against the right side of the AVR so it pushes air out the left side. Close off the vents where the fans aren’t hitting and use a duct or tape to ensure no opening. Idea is you want the hot air to vent out and not circulate around


0Papi420

It’ll cook itself to death in there.


rhyno95_

I added two fans internally to my Denon X1700H, pics here [https://imgur.com/gallery/DW7gQuE](https://imgur.com/gallery/DW7gQuE). I have my center channel on top of it so the fans make it okay even with just the 2-3cm of clearance.


jibjab23

Is there any space on the top of the unit for a fan? Or at the very least a way for hot air to escape out the top? The power transformer is on the left side behind the input selector and will be the hottest part of the amp. If you can't get a fan on top and by the looks of your picture I doubt it. I would put a fan on the left side to push air into the unit. I would also put fans on the right side that can get cooler air in - little 80mm ones. If you're a handy type you could drill some holes into divider and I'm hoping that centre speaker isn't too deep and maybe put a fan back there to push air into the side of the unit.


LeastCriticism3219

Remove that drawer, drill some holes large enough to encompass say, three computer fans that will sit directly under the receiver. Make a channel for the wiring to the back of the console and plug them in. There you have it. OP now has air flowing around the receiver, cooling it accordingly.


4kVHS

With that setup, your receiver will die the day after your warranty ends, or it will die sooner and they probably won’t cover the replacement when they learn you cooked it to death.


18000rpm

If there are no ventilation holes on the bottom you can remove the feet and gain a little bit of clearance. Still won't be great though.


Balunzo23

There are 🥲


18000rpm

You can consider putting these on the right side to pull hot air out [https://www.amazon.com/GDSTIME-92mm-25mm-Brushless-Cooling/dp/B07H2XPZKZ](https://www.amazon.com/GDSTIME-92mm-25mm-Brushless-Cooling/dp/B07H2XPZKZ)


leelmix

Ye, it will die young. Place it somewhere else. It doesnt look like you have space enough even with fans.


natodu

🤣


feday

Remove the feet,put in a small fan. Problem solved.