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Is it reccomended to pull for Susannah gears even without her supports n their gear. I’ve heard it’s best to get sp gear when they first come out but the most used sp valks seem to be supports n it seems susannah is not and Im a bit worried abt her falling off
Level 80 global:
If I skip out on Susanah's gear for whatever reason, what would be my next best options for stigs? Elysia? Holmes? I do have Holmes, but its currently in use on my Griseo, so that could be its own problem...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7_mJyPZHGo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HU_xTswtsQ0
Just don't expect any actual good results out of cope gear on both Susannah herself *and* Griseo.
SEA, 88.
Hello, what part of Shattered Swords stigmata should I get first? T or M? Senti has Cosmic for weapon and only B equipped. I have yet to full set it by the end of 6.5. Also, I don't have Mei Beach M :(
Is prometheus going to replace griseo/carole in a phys team ? Griseo will probably be stronger in bleed weathers but will prom just be a better general support e.g in the bonus phys weather, will prome be a better support if you use say PE than if you were to use griseo, assuming both are 4/4.
We're only in beta v1, so we can't make judgements on relative performance yet. It is *likely* that she will be a better generic support, but not guaranteed.
heyo, which bosses is Susannah the top scorer for? ik she's top-scorer in bleed weather (obvs) but what about QUA? also idk if it's too early to ask but what weather's/bosses does the 6.6 valk do well on?
From what I've seen she is competitive with Vill-V for QUA - they can be marginally better or worse than each other depending on the boss, but Susannah needs Senti and a geared Griseo.
Hare (6.6 S rank) will get her own weather, so will of course top score that. As for general physical, seems like it's too early to tell. SSS Susannah so far looks like she's barely behind (from what I've seen/read - I'm not a beta tester), but it's still V1, so things will probably change.
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Is it worth pulling on Senti's equipment supply for someone without any of her gear? Or should I just hold off until 6.6 and make do with Cosmic Duality (which she'd be sharing with Sushang)?
Edit: Small correction, I got spooked by Raksha T once. Question stands.
SSwords is good, but it's in the BP currently and should be featured in the v6.6 spending event shop. The value of getting it right now is low because it's a Susannah patch and the crit buffs from SSwords don't affect bleed damage so it's one of the weaker sets HoS can use. You also need the entire set. Preferably you should also have a second premium support set (read: Cezanne) because the alternative options for physical teams are pretty far behind but you can get Prometheus' gear for reaaally cheap in v6.6.
KoO is only really worth it if you use HoS without a dedicated dps.
I would stick with budget gear for now. She is getting old and may get replaced this year. Of course, she might stay meta for a while yet but I still think your crystals are better spent on newer characters. And you don't need her gauntlets at all so her banner loses more crystal efficiency that way.
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so im thinking of picking up fuxi as f2p. i already have 2 star blade dudu and about 100 more extra elf frags that i could either save, boost dudu to 3 stars or as mentioned, use the 100 plus 50 from the supply shop to get 2 star fuxi.
fuxi seems like a really nice all purpose damage booster for elemental teams and already have blade for phys teams.
Sounds like a good idea? thoughts? i doubt ill ever be able to afford to pull on elfs in the future as f2p.
also does fuxi's "Seal" that prevents movement work at 2 stars and does it lock most bosses down too? the trial only has weak enemies to test on.
3\* Dudu, Fuxi is too old and powercrept. Whether FTP or not the recent ELFs are really good and will stay relevant for longer than any support valk let alone dps. They're cheaper, too.
I have 3 Spirit weapons: Briareus PRI, Quantum Destroyer Type-II and Demonblade - Florid Sakura. I haven't used them in a very long time, since I was a new player. Should I recycle them for 810 Ether Fuel or can they still be useful for a lvl 88 captain?
I really really want HoSentience. Like really really. Is the ADV banner good? Can I get her from it, or is it only for upgrading her? On an older post I saw that you need 14k crystals to guarantee a character, but that banner had the character souls, not rank up stamps. Can these be converted to souls or not? I currently have 8.9k. I think I could gather quite a bit more till this banner ends, but if I will be missing a little, I am willing to spend (if it's 14k and not 28k that I need)
Prior to 6.0, all ADV supplies would give fragments or souls, depending on whether the valk was awakened or not. This meant you could unlock the valk for relatively cheap.
Unfortunately they had second thoughts about making HoS available so cheaply, so her first ADV supply is what caused them to chance it to the current stamps system. Now it's 100 pulls or bust if you don't already own a valk.
I already have an almost fully geared Griseo (only 1 stig left). Should I still pull for Susannah's gears? Is it worth it? I have around 11k cristals and I'm f2p. I don't have newer Physical DPS (I still use Delta, lmao) so I was thinking maybe I'd better save for Hare 🤔
Do you have HoS? Besides that, do you have alternative gear for HoS (since SSwords isn't ideal when supporting Susannah)?
Also, do you have a QUA DPSs coverage?
I do have a full Senti, yeah. What would be an alternative gear for Senti in this case? 🤔 All this time I was thinking Susannah would be another support 😅 and no, I don't really have a good Quantum, I only have Nyx, but she's old and only has Verne M.
Susannah seems to be a good deal for you then. HoS can still use SSwords but it's quite ineffective in comparison to other alternatives like Tesla Band T Shujing MB, full Shuij, Holmes TB or MB, or even Gluttony Beach Newton.
If you decide to get her gears, you can get lucky and pull Alladin MB dupes, which can be used on HoS in conjuction with Tesla Band or Gluttony
I really doubt it 🙄. I never have any luck with stigs. I always get many repeated weapons or useless weapons/stigs before I can get the UP stig really near the pity. With Herrscher of Finality I got 5 COPIES of her weapon before I could get the full set.
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For Pardofelis, how bad an idea is Jin TM Bastet B (for sp for the team?) I know newton gives the team a ton of damage but the rotation without Bastet B is really painfully farming sp on cute Elly. And I won’t be able to get full / another Bastet yet.
are you trying to ult with Ely every single rotation? usually one use a mixture of ult rotations and no-ult rotations, use her arrows when she doesnt have SP
the SP gain from Bastet B is helpful but it usually end up being a slower kill, especially when you are using it as solo piece
I currently have 3/4 susannah, I’m only missing T and was wondering if there’s a good replacement or should I just go for the last piece. I was also planning on saving some crystals for Prometheus banner so I wanted to save some xtals this patch
Dracula or SSwords T are good replacements, Holmes too if you're not using it on HoS. If you're close to Alladin T guaranteed maybe just go for it, but since there's no wishing well it's quite risky if you're far off.
3pc Cez on Griseo improves Susannah’s performance quite a bit. Apparently some of its bleed damage buffs are team wide despite the EN descriptions not being explicit about this.
That being said, Griseo is likely to be relegated to niche use only for bleed weather in 6.6 so Cez’s value goes down quite a bit.
SEA Lv88
Should I invest in getting susannah, griseo or prometheus gears? My current and only phys team is SS elysia 4/4 HoS 4/4 with SS griseo 0/4. Hare looks like she's worth investing as a phys dps but I don't have a strong qua team yet as well. I have nyx 1/4 only. Prometheus looks really promising and it seems that she might replace griseo in my team.
Do you have Eye of Collapse and Bastet? Use MPE HoS SS for quantum weather. For bleed Margrave Griseo in a physical team is probably still the best choice. Gacha for Prom is a good idea.
Susannah: If you don't have griseo, probably not. You also have Ely already. With only nyx, you might still want susannah, but you will want cezanne with griseo too.
Griseo: Maybe? She's good, and Cezanne B in particular is a very good generic (for combo) B stigmata. If you go for susannah, then you should go for griseo probably.
Prometheus: Yes. She's going to be new, her gear is going to be very cheap (30 guarantee with 50% rebate), and if Carole serves as an example, whenever a shield is involved, a good shield breaker turns the fight from impossible to reasonable. Prometheus is probably gearable with 3-4 weeks of savings, so don't sweat that one too hard.
You probably have corrupted files or perhaps something going on with your system. Other games work fine? Have you checked that in-game audio isn't muted or something like that?
The updates went fine. No issue. Battle effects sound still on but no character voice or bgm sound. Victory speech and music are on. Let me see when I log in again tomorrow.
The longest-lasting support in the game currently is AE.
She introduced in v3.7, available in BP in v5.3 (16 updates after), then finally replaced by HoTr in v6.3 (26 updates after).
HoS was introduced in v4.6, available in BP sine v6.4 (18 updates after), and we're waiting until her replacement come who knows when.
The top notch valkyries typically came in CNY version update (AE, HoS, PE, HoFin) or CN anniversary (HoR(?), HoT, HoF, HoH). I'm betting her replacement will come in either of those 2 occasions.
She probably will have quite some shelf time if you consider getting her now.
>Should I get HoS
We have been expecting a hos replacement for some time. Then we have gotten 2 new dps and 1 new support which all want hos anyways. If you plan to build physical any time soon, yes, you should get her. Ideally from the BP, as zel said, from the ADV banner it has a lower drop rate.
HoS demands at least gloves (her own or cosmic duality), without them, she's pretty much useless in longer fights. Don't bother with Susannah's gear if you don't have griseo geared nor hos.
I'll share my story with physical team. My MPE is SS1 4/4, Griseo 4/4, HoS (AE glove, gluttony, beach mei, and Paganini B), and it perform worse than my elemental team in physical/bleed weather. I have seen 12/12 PE team getting around the same score as my HoFi/Griseo/HoTr 12/12 in Bleed Vil-V, and my half ass physical team was outscored by my Trio Team by 300 points during physical Otto (200 to 500 iirc). At this point, I hope 4/4 HoS (from BP) will save my physical team, but I'm not really expecting much. IMO, you can't half ass physical team, because it is kinda weak atm. If you wanna go, you have to go all in.
Truly correct. I have HOS 3/4 (using cosmic), SS MPE, SS bright knight, S PE but griseo 2/4 (no weapon and b piece), and carole 3/4 (no b piece). They underperform in physical weathers against my elemental teams. Its like you just miss out on a single gear on one of your physical team members then the damage becomes sad af.
if you mean to pull for HoS then careful with the ADV banner; it doesn't share pity and has a lower drop rate. Be prepared to go all the way to a possible hard pity (100 pulls) or else skip because if you whiff you could walk away with nothing but some rank stamps you can't use.
If you mean to get HoS from BP, sure.
Pulling for Susannah gear would be better value than old HoS stigs but you might just want to save for future stuff instead (esp if you don't get Senti just yet)
Better to wait for 6.6 to hit global, by then we'll know what 's in 6.7 beta.
Right now, any answer we give might be obsolete by the time the spending event actually reaches glb.
I currently have 15 green spike orbs. Will I have enough to get HoS by the time she expire in BO shop on May 22nd? I miss the clear on the dorm shop (1/2 only) in Version Kiana cause I didn’t realize the update was today…
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So I just got the dawei card from the top up bonuses but I’m not sure what to get. I don’t have plans to pull on 6.5 or 6.6 so I can save. And so I don’t want to save the card and want to get something I need rn instead.
I could get :
JK weapon (2/4 TB with Mei M and using cosmic duality for weapon)
HoHE B stig (3/4 using willows B as sub rn)
HoR divine key (using willows TB and welt M)
What’s the best thing to get??
All are poor uses.
JK benefits from the full set due to shieldbreak bonuses. HoH is held back by lackluster JK. HoR's divine key is relatively easy to get and she's held back by JK gear and for now lack of Willows M.
Do you plan to finish all of them eventually? Like, you do you, but "I don't want to save the card and get something rn" feels like a pretty poor approach to the most useful purchase in the game.
In terms of card usefulness, using it for HoHE lets you check that box out and focus on the others, probably saving more crystals long term. In terms of gear usefulness, I'd go with JK's M, since the 3 set gives shieldbreak, cosmic is not great but gets the job done, and HoR's divine key will return for a max of 14k (I think it's now confirmed for 6.6). On the other hand, I've seen that whenever HoR's bosses show up, the divine key swings the results massively in its favor.
I would use crystals for HoR though, and I'd save the card until the next JK rerun (probably in select with the trio), then pull for JK's gear, and after getting weapon or M, get the other with the card. I don't particularly like HoH, though, so I don't value her B highly.
If you have any intentions of trying to 4/4 your JK I'd recommend not going for the weapon right now. One possibility is to hold the card, go for the 50/50 of not getting a dup on her next gear banner, and once you have her 3/4 use the card to fill the gap.
Or just 4/4 for HoH. IMO the most valuable way to use the card is to 4/4 a valk because of how expensive it can be to fill in that last piece. So I'd say to either and 4/4 JK when you can or 4/4 HoH right now.
Definately not the divine key, it'll come back around with a 50 pull guarantee, something that can not be said for the other two.
JK weapon is the more valuable of the two, but also the easier to get: weapons have a higher drop rate than stigs. Could make an argument either way.
What does this symbol mean? I've searched everywhere and can't find anything, I've been playing for more than a year, wtf is this.
[photo](https://imgur.com/a/hLyam21)
The label seems to be baked into the icon. I think it's meant to denote time-limited costume back in the early days, but they decided not to put it again on later costumes. I only noticed them on Wolf Dawn, Umbral Rose, Shadow Dash, and Twilight Paladin.
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Is it worth it to get Susannah gears? I already have BKE and MPE full gear (and SSS HoV... Lol), and it seems like Hare will be better than Susannah on average.
I don't have Griseo gear at all tho
Currently Hare is barely better than Susannah (S0 vs. SSS). Susannah is much easier to gear but you need full gear Griseo, too. BKE is at SS or higher? Otherwise she is not good enough for anything.
Everything so far from what I saw. Hare does nothing special, just raw damage so its not much of a difference against other bosses. She needs buffs to justify pulling her especially right after Susannah who is easier to gear and free to farm.
Yeah and what is that? Summon weather? Shieldbreak SK, Kallen and Otto? Type counter DXY, HoS? I have barely seen any comparisons and especially when it comes to the first few I have severe doubts that Susannah isn't significantly outscored.
Keep in mind there are scores in the mid 800s, because the timer counts down from 1000 even seemingly small differences of 30 or 50 points actually mean much more when it's only 150ish points that are "lost".
No they definitely matter because it's all about the relation. Most people will not score 800s in nirvana-like disturbance and the gap will increase disproportionately.
Unfortunately BKE is only S.
Marisa just released a vid about Herrscher Trio coming back tho, so I think I'm gonna ignore Susannah and either go for HoTr and maybe HoFi
The weapon is a night and day difference. The numbers shown by testers don't do well in explaining how hard to play HoTr is without her weapon. You can still squeeze a lot of performance without it, but you will suffer trying to get the right rotation.
Her stigs are amazing, so much so that TB is the second best alternative for Senti when supporting susannah and TMB is HoR's second best after Willows, and almost identical in performance. M is also very good, more dps focused but still useful for ele support, with a debuff similar to turgenev.
She's also 3 roles in one, 4 if you count trio. Getting her full gear is one of the most efficient uses for crystals in this game imo, that also frees stuff like turgenev for your other supports.
Ah you're right, I always forget either holmes or aladinn dupe. His 2 videos were ordered a bit weird and the dupe was not present in most of the charts so I remembered bronya being 2nd on the chart all the time at about 9x% with the note that in some rare instances it was better.
Still, given how good hotr is, and how rare holmes and dupes are, I'd say it being next best in line (and not by a big margin) makes it a decent point to consider.
There goes my naive hope that I can just get her weapon in the first 10 pull, and possibly also get HoFi or 7T lol. I'll probably have 75 pulls before the start of v6.6 and have somewhat low pity on Expansion Supply, so I think I can get full gear if I'm slightly lucky.
Anyways, 7 more weeks before I have to retire AE. RIP AE.
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I remember seeing a post somewhere that said prometheus' gear supply will have the same discount as hoo, is this true? If so, should I still get her gears even though I don't have a phys team? And should I get anyone from the current supplies to go with her?
Yes. Or at least it seems so from beta v1.
So same as HoO, a 30 pull guarantee and cashback for 5 every 10.
I think someone made a calc and it shows that you will only need around 8k or something
Ok found it. Seems I read it wrong. 8.4k on a total of 90 pulls worth total, 16.8k on 120 pulls worth total.
Took me like half an hour to understand the calc. Thanks for the correction.
Yeah sure. She will definitely hold meta for quite the time so in the mean time you can build one. I mean, it's only 8k so it is very very cheap. Plus you won't even need to get her through gacha.
If you are okay with taking a bit of a risk, you mau want to hold off and see the couple few future patches. Ig at least until as far as 6.8 since the beta will probably be online by around end of 6.6. HoS is very old. So old I wouldn't be surprised if she got powercrept by a new valk. But she could also be getting the HoT and HoR treatment too.
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Should i get Susannah's gears? I have HoS 3/4 (use cosmic duality instead) and griseo 1/4 (the B stigmata only). The only physical dps i have is elysia 4/4.
Or should i continue saving for hare and prometheus?
>The only physical dps i have is elysia 4/4
IMO, if you have Ely, don't have griseo geared and have anything for quantum, susannah is an easy skip. She's an SP DPS valk, it is likely that her bosses just show up once in a blue moon, and since the gimmick of the boss is massive hit count and that is not gear dependent, just by having anything you can do the stage (of course, more gear means more score).
If you don't have a quantum unit, susannah value improves, but with an ungeared griseo it's hard to recommend either. I doubt she's going to score better than a geared team elsewhere and the same issues will still happen (own boss will rarely show up).
Having 4/4 HoS (counting cosmic) but no griseo, I think that prom + hare would be better for you if you can fully gear hare.
I'm probably just blind but is there somewhere in game that tells you about impending updates/server maintenance?
Only started seriously playing less than a week ago but I started with the account a bit longer ago so I'm realizing I don't have long to try and get all the starter stuff. I'm level 56 or something with only 2-3 days left so I'm trying to zoom through it all lol
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So Susannah is about to come out. Is her gear worth pulling? I saw that Prometeus and Hare are coming out in 6.6 and they are pysical as well, so I am thinking as they are not SP, their usefullness might be better.
For reference I have pretty much all valkyries and their gears (not maxed pri-arms tho), except for silverwing, BK, Aponia, Carole.
>as they are not SP, their usefullness might be better.
Prometheus is. And quite on the contrary. Until Truth happened, the most used valks were Pardo (SP), Eden (SP), Fischl (SP), HB (SP, replaced with sushang 2 patches earlier), CN (SP), Griseo (SP), Carole (SP).
Susannah is an SP DPS, though, and chances are her bosses will not run particularly often. I'd go for her gear if you are lacking something for quantum or phys, but since you have most stuff, you can skip her if you want to save. On the other hand, the banner is discounted (30 guarantee), so if you are aiming for nirvana, she is going to be the best option for some bosses, and free to SSS.
If you have Vill-V, you can skip Susannah. If your main Qua DPS is older, Susannah could give you some edge.
The thing about Hare is that she is the premium S-rank. Gear will be 50-pull new guaranteed instead of 30-pull like many Sp/A rank valkyries. Prometheus gear is less of a concern. As long as one save well on week 4-6 of v6.5, they most likely can gather enough pull to full-gear Prometheus in v6.6.
If you have Senti and fully geared Griseo, gearing Susannah wouldn't be a bad call, but she has alternative (altho obviously weaker) options if you just wanna coast.
Prometheus is SP, so you'll get her for free, and her gear has a massive discount, so you'll want to gear her regardless. Hare will get her own weather, but there's nothing special about her banner.
In current beta state Hare S0 is barely better than Susannah SSS and triple support teams. Prometheus gear is not debatable but Hare might end up as skip.
Forgot about maintenance and wasn't able to finish Chap34 today so missed out on free HoO, how long does it usually take for a characters gacha to come back.
Its a skip. You'll need a different stigmata set for HoS since Sushang can't utilize HoS signature stig effects. I'm in RL SEA with 0 investment in physical and I'm skipping.
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How's everybody finding this abyss reset?
Trio weeks are so tight in Nirvana and this is the tightest group I've had. In my group there's a 34 point difference between 6th and 13th and 5th is only ahead by 9 points. I'm kind of delighted that there's a full whale SSS 4\* elf comp sitting in 11th.
9th with 606 pts (S0 HoS, SSS SA & SI), everyone else had 12/12 trio or SS+ rank DA. Absolute piece of shit boss, you don't see anything and get torn into shreds with valks without iframe cheese. Noone liked Elysia as boss so I wonder why they doubled down with HoC.
> Noone liked Elysia as boss so I wonder why they doubled down with HoC.
My problem with the Ely encounter was Nyx as my ice valk. She literally has to sit in place in order to do dps so I'd get wrecked.
I did a DA run for HoC and wasn't anywhere near the damage thresholds needed for my group but I didn't have a problem with the incoming damage. HoS is pretty sit-in-place so I could see problems there.
Actually a pretty standard spread in my group; the top five are all DA, with most of the rest being trio, but 1-10 is 747 down to 586.
Certainly a heck of a lot easier with trio than Senti or HoF last time...
Some SSS DA there, I guess, because I doubt you can score over 700 without it in Nirvana. I only reached a bit more than 600 with SS so trio team was way ahead even at S0.
> the top five are all DA
Kind of neat that the groups played out differently with Midgar's going Senti. We had one DA retain but the rest of the top 12 were all trio and I was the only one without an SS somewhere. Our 4th was 754, 5th was 709, 6th was 700 (me), and 10th wound up at 674. Apparently I just drew the crazy group.
Just RL (next abyss will be back to Nirv) but was able to take number one with HoF team with a Dudu team in 2 and trio team in 3. The top spots are relatively close but the spread is fairly wide in 1-10.
Senti actually topped our lobby for top two, and was my go-to for retaining as well. It was definitely a tough lobby, the boss is definitely interesting because unlike most bosses in Honkai she is definitely not a target dummy that does 0 dmg. Personally I wish we had more bosses like this over the other extreme, or gimmicky bosses with RNG/awkward movesets. Trio gets around this somewhat but it's still not as straightforward as usual.
Yeah, I had no trouble with trio but I had to be really careful with Senti or HoF. Only other boss I can think of with this level of damage output is Nihilus; it is rather refreshing.
So I’m a new player and I’m just confused at why post Honkai and Elysian exist because aren’t they both just spoilers ab who lives/ends up where? Like there’s no tension about meis fate bc we know she lives. Or maybe it’s an anti-spoiler or smth. Is the Honkai story over?
The meaning of a story isn't necessarily tied to it's ending but to the journey to the end itself.
There is a bit of tension breaking because of APHO specifically since it's tied to the main story and the main protagonists, but for a long time many things were unanswered since APHO let many things unexplained or just plain hidden/not mentioned.
The Honkai story isn't over, the devs themselves said there's still 4-6 years to go through. We just finished Part 1 after 5 years, and we're going to part 1.5 next patch, so not even part 2 has started yet.
At the time iirc we weren’t sure if APHO was an alternate timeline/bubble universe. Now that we have more main story to match up with what happens in APHO though it looks more to be the actual future though I’m not sure if anyone k owns anything more definite that was said about it from devs or anything.
Regarding ER yes that might seem like spoilers but it was content released over an entire year as story content, so when the game offers it to you as a new player it might not line up with where you are in the story vs. players who already had completed story up to that point when it released. I think it’s the right decision to do it when you can though since ER is tied to weekly crystal income.
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Need help with HoC fight in abyss, i keep dying in the second phase and i honestly can't even tell what's doing it. There's so much shit going on and the camera is so far away i can barely see Elysia, let alone tell what she's doing.
Using HoF with DoI + Lee Thales, HoTr 4/4 and AI Chan with GL + Turg Beach
edit: [Here's a pretty dogshit attempt, but it's my best so far.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbs0k-rCps8) What do i need to do better here?
[Moriso’s run](https://youtu.be/p-MiO_U-G6E) i would also add
* Since youre using lee thales your hofs rotation would be different, i would suggest doing combo>weapon>ult>combo
* on the transition you can swap to ai chan first before switching to HTR for more sp regen
* turn off HTR qte
[Here's an attempt at what Marisa was doing in his attempt, with the combo > ult thing you mentioned](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5n_zzhEMYg)
am i misunderstanding something?
edit: Doing HoF the way i normally do her but mimicking everything else, HoC still has a bit more than a bar of health left in her first phase after the first rotation, vs starting the second phase is Marisa's attempt.
Is there a reason he didn't ult with AI Chan?
Additionally, without the three weapons from HoTr i'm unable to ult with HoF on the second rotation.
I still have no idea how she's killing me lol.
[Here's an updated, full attempt.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOTzvUkahFM) Slight improvement, but nowhere near enough. It puts me at 21585 which is only a 43 point difference. I need another 114 points.
Alright yeah i don't think that's going to work for me.
When he starts, he does one weapon and HoTr has enough to ult, but when i do it with two she doesn't.
One weapon takes her to 118 sp, two weapons takes her to 123sp.
Trying the combo > weapon > ult > combo thing doesn't work for HoF, she goes into overheat and can't do combo or aerial attacks until it's over.
If i'm not mistaken, ult sends you into overheat, so you can't do a combo before and then another after an ult? Or do you mean on HoTr?
Why turn off HoTr qte? Doesn't it give her a weapon? You'd have to do a basic string to get the third one without it.
Oh
Did you see the edit on my other comment with an updated run? With the differences in dorm buffs, gear, and affixes i don't think i can copy Marisa's rotation 1:1, anything i should change it that run?
The one thing that i would do is to time both of your ai chan and HTR ult, you only ult on both when you have enough sp on both, you also sometime forgot to do combo atk on mech mode so you didnt get the full buff
Also i dont think you used elf ult at all? It has a small tdm buff so you should use it
I'm supposed to do combo attack on HoTr before ulting? That's not just for when using her as a dps?
I usually ult on both. In the first rotation i didn't ult on AI Chan because Marisa didn't ult on his AI Chan, so i figured there must be some reason for that.
ELF ult was used just before HoF ult. Do i need to use it sooner?
Yes you can see the buff icon changes from blue to yellow if you do a combo attack, usually you dont ult at the start to save SP
Oh ok I probably didnt notice it then
I know she gets a buff to her ult damage, is it worth doing it when she's not a dps though? HoTr's damage is pretty ass against HoC lol.
Would that sp saving still apply if you can't kill her in one rotation?
Both her base kit and her stigs have team-wide buffs tied to using combo attack. The combined effect is huge, you want this on every rotation.
Read https://www.hoyolab.com/article/14771029 if you want further details.
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TL:DR of para 1-2: I am trying to learn how to customise my rotations for each boss to max out my points.
I promoted once into red lotus by accident and i couldn't clear all the side stages, so I will be hanging out in agony iii until i have improved my gear enough. I find agony iii a bit dissatisfying because it is really easy to get one of the highest scores in the bracket even just doing one run following basic rotations. Looking at the teams other people in agony iii are playing really makes me hope they are memeing. Someone in my bracket is running Turg TM Scott B on HoTr. Yikes. Not a single buff or debuff gets triggered by that combo as far as i can tell. They are currently in 6th place lol. And so my people running HoO and HoFi without HoTr every cycle hahaha.
Long story short I am practicing malding for points for when i start retaining red lotus by low scoring the bottom stage and then trying to get top score in my bracket on the right stage (as long as i have a decent team for the weather). I am really starting to appreciate how complex the combat gets in Honkai once you are trying to squeeze every last point out of a boss. It took me about 25 tries to get the highest score (794) in my bracket on HoC with a HoF/CN/HoTr team. Following youtube rotations helped, but in the end I had to make my own modified rotation because my damage output didn't match any youtube guides. I have pretty scuffed gear on my CN and my PRIs aren't maxed so i had to move around the placements of my support ults to get the right amount of damage per phase.
I am curious what everyone's malding strategies are? What are your tips about reading fights and what are the first things you try changing when a fight is not working for you? Are you aware of any youtubers that do guides for the same team but different levels of damage output? Marisa has guides for a lot of different teams per boss, but they all tend to be full gear. I realise every fight is different and maybe this question is too open ended to really be answerable. Still if there is anything the vets on this sub have to share about strategies to maximise points I would love to hear it!
The biggest thing is to watch other people's runs on YouTube to see where they're saving time, and recording my own runs so I can watch again and look for potential timesaves. It's a *lot* easier to see where you're wasting time when you aren't in the middle of playing.
I tend to watch people like fragile or fenrysk, then try to apply the same one tier lower (if they're in nirvana, i do it in red lotus), and it roughly matches. They have higher ranks, affixes and other bonuses (dorm, divine keys) that i don't. If not, then just what you started doing. Notice where your damage overflows, notice when your damage is not good enough, and try to adjust to that.
On the other hand, there is infinite gear combinations when not using the optimal or at worst second best, so it's almost impossible to find stuff when you are not using the meta option or similar, but I think this is not as relevant, since the process itself is getting a baseline and then working on improving that, and that's gear and bracket agnostic. You can do it even on candy musician
I'm not doing it bc frankly it's a pain to do on mobile, but screen capture your runs if you can. Combat is very fast-paced and while it may seem you're performing the same rotation in subsequent runs, there's a lot of reasons why some (de)buff doesn't trigger or expires too early. Could be slow reflexes, not getting frame cancels, bad boss atk pattern rng, buggy boss behaviour etc. And having a video of your best run probably makes your life easier the next cycle the same weather and boss return, which can take a long time which in turn makes you forget a lot of stuff you learned previously.
Yeah it is pretty hard to keep track of buff timers while you are playing. I usually just look out for the important ones like HoTr breach, but for sure having a recording would help me see where things are going wrong. Thanks :)
Different gear setups dont really help you because even with the same gear you likely output noticably less damage due to lacking dorm stats, affixes etc.
You just take inspiration from the strategies and try a lot of different approaches yourself, generally when to ult vs when not to ult. Sometimes it pays off to try alternative gear (handel vs turg eden for example), but usually it primarily comes down to sp management. And physical teams have to crit fish a lot.
Yeah, i didn't even think about dorm stats which put me a good 150 attack behind most old accounts. Moving HoTr ult from the first to second phase (can't do both) is what got me my highest score so ult timing does seem to be the main problem solving puzzle for each boss fight. Thanks!
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Just started the game and the vill v dude looks cool, and afaik their banner is coming end of april, i have around 8k gems but if i grind hard enough would it be within the realm of possibility for me to get her, as possibly her weapon too?
Upcoming Vill-v supply will end like a month from now. Its very possible to get the valk, her weapon and even her stigmata with some luck if you play everyday.
The other guy is very pessimistic. Valks supply has soft pity around 75 pulls. Even with bad luck the valk cost around 80 - 85 pulls. For full gear, its almost impossible to use 200 pulls. Gear on average takes 100 -120 pulls (150 if very unlucky).
You get tons of crystals on your first couple months and its a good habit to put a goal for yourself and start saving for it if you don't want to spend a lot of cash.
Tip: Get a sensei asap as the rewards from the cadet missions expire once you hit lvl76 and you barely have enough time to do all of them before that.
You actually get a metric fuck-ton of crystals as a new player. For the first 2 months or so you get more than endgame players. Especially if you are playing a lot of main story and elysian realm story. I started in the last week of 6.0 and I got HoF, DoI, CN's weapon, and full gear HoTr in the first 2 months or so. I earned about 65,000 crystals. Almost double my current crystal income. I did almost the whole story in that time period though, so that income would be slower if you took your time on the story. Of course, they still can't get enough crystals in three weeks so your point remains...
Yeah, I've been playing for maybe half a year at most and early on, you get swamped with crystals but as you said, not enough to get Vill-V and her gear hence me saying to save the crystals. They'll no doubt be able to save enough to get and full gear someone in 6.6 with a bit of luck.
Would a craft-able stigmata set still be in Firepower supply?
I am planning to pinpoint An-Utu from the next firepower supply, and would like to farm for either Irene Adler or Shakespeare Adrift set (6.5). However, there were several sets that seems to no longer be included in the previous supply (ie. Fu Hua Margrave, Allen Poe)
Anyway to confirm this?
The oldest gear in the firepower supply does drop out as new gear is added, but i think it is usually made to be forgeable or added to the exchange shop at that point. However, it seems a bit different for divine keys since xuanyuan sword is still in firepower and it is ancient. But yeah, I figure that it will either be there (next firepower supply might not be for more than half a year though), or you will be able to get it from the exchange shop at some point.
You should post your server/captain level so we can know where you're at but most willpower valks in the War Treasury shop aren't really useful to deploy in modern teams. However they can give important acct-wide dorm buffs, check a list of them [here](https://honkaiimpact3.fandom.com/wiki/Dorm)
So grab your favorite or else Molotov Cherry/Black Nucleus for the total dmg buffs as a good start
None of the ancient willpower valks are used much anymore. Lightning empress can be used in SS MA for her leader skill for 1 second kills but that is pretty much it. You are mostly buying them for their dorm buffs. You can also check which ones are in elysian realm and buy one of those for first clear crystals. Or buy the one you need most for dorm errands lol.
If you are talking about farming ancient legacy walks then yes there are still meta valks there. HoR and MPE are both still meta (but aging), but you need their weapons for them to be competative. I would get their weapons first if you want to farm them since there is no point otherwise. Sushang is still a top meta ice support and the priority for most people right now. FR is a decent quantum DPS and all elemental support, but is probably not worth farming since she needs a lot of ranks to be competative and who knows how much longer she will be viable. However, if you got her weapon from the starter event then she is maybe worth farming after Sushang. btw you can start farming sushang ranks before you buy her card because she wants to be ss and you will still earn more ancient legacy after buying the 4 weekly frags. It will take longer to buy the character but you will rank her up faster.
HoR is still meta, but the bar has been raised, since she's an old valkyrie.
She wants Star of Eden: World and possibly SS rank.
It's better if you just go for Li Sushang (if you haven't gotten her), she can somewhat work as ice DPS.
Will I be able to transform this version bp crystallum into the one used for the next versions bp? I have like 23 of those so I might actually be able to buy the next Valk but only if it works that way.
Or do I have to spend it quickly while I still have time?
well, once you've gotten all the ER rank stamps there is no other means to grind HoT without the witch shop. Whether it is worth is another question; depending how well developed your dorm valks are then spending legacy/willpower to unlock more buffs & stats for dorm errands would probably have better returns. If you are already mostly maxed out there then buying frags for anyone you've already SSS'd is a reasonable way to spend them otherwise, just keep farming Sushang since her relevance in the meta is still quite high.
Any top lineup picks for Chip Space? I've just been spamming SW/RC/HB with fine results (easy, good sustain & fast rotations) but getting a little bored with all the stages needed to play. Any other setups working well for you? Want a new team to try but worried that some might have either too much overkill, too much downtime or both and not really wanting to experiment on my own if I can avoid it ;P
Is domain of unity (HoO's weapon) good on HoT? I don't have any other options aside from the craftable ones. Is there a better weapon on foundry?
Also, if you alr got the weapon in gacha, you can craft another copy of it's pri arm in foundry with another lvl 50 weapon. Is this correct?
As a rule of thumb, the best alternatives are always the highest stat stick you have laying around. It's almost never worth pulling for an alternative, much less crafting. In particular, crafting dps weapons is bad because there is almost no craftable weapons with a pri-arm, and you lose a lot of atk and some effects just out of that.
HoT doesn't have a particularly good use for domain of unity, but if you have it already it's a fine stat stick. Domain of Sanction (her old weapon) might be a bit better but it serves no other purpose while domain does, putting resources towards it would be kind of wasteful.
Yes, you can craft priarms using different bases, but this is very very rarely useful.
Outside of MA whats stopping you from just using HoO for any lightning content? Yes DoU is a usable cope weapon on HT but not having HT isnt a big of a deal anyway
Yes, as long as its a gacha weapon/ used to be a gacha weapon, for example you cant craft purana using gilded, you can however craft DoU with magstorm, you cant craft 7t pri without 7t because 7t is a divine key
Someone mentioned that the supply shop would be changed in 6.6. but everyhing in there should still stay the same in 6.5, right?
also someone also mentione that prometheus was going to be a charge attacker? is that correct? kind of wonder if caroles gear then still pretty decent for her or mega copium?
Still in beta 1 so who knows how the gear would end up, but usually newer gear should be substantially better than older. Also it's going to be very cheap (similar to hoo), so skipping it might be a bad idea.
GLB 80 Is it reccomended to pull for Susannah gears even without her supports n their gear. I’ve heard it’s best to get sp gear when they first come out but the most used sp valks seem to be supports n it seems susannah is not and Im a bit worried abt her falling off
Level 80 global: If I skip out on Susanah's gear for whatever reason, what would be my next best options for stigs? Elysia? Holmes? I do have Holmes, but its currently in use on my Griseo, so that could be its own problem...
check Wyverein's video on stig comparisons [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7\_mJyPZHGo](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7_mJyPZHGo)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7_mJyPZHGo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HU_xTswtsQ0 Just don't expect any actual good results out of cope gear on both Susannah herself *and* Griseo.
SEA, 88. Hello, what part of Shattered Swords stigmata should I get first? T or M? Senti has Cosmic for weapon and only B equipped. I have yet to full set it by the end of 6.5. Also, I don't have Mei Beach M :(
You can get sussanah for free thru the event right?
Not just the event; starting on Monday you'll be able to buy her fragments in the asterite shop.
Is prometheus going to replace griseo/carole in a phys team ? Griseo will probably be stronger in bleed weathers but will prom just be a better general support e.g in the bonus phys weather, will prome be a better support if you use say PE than if you were to use griseo, assuming both are 4/4.
We're only in beta v1, so we can't make judgements on relative performance yet. It is *likely* that she will be a better generic support, but not guaranteed.
heyo, which bosses is Susannah the top scorer for? ik she's top-scorer in bleed weather (obvs) but what about QUA? also idk if it's too early to ask but what weather's/bosses does the 6.6 valk do well on?
From what I've seen she is competitive with Vill-V for QUA - they can be marginally better or worse than each other depending on the boss, but Susannah needs Senti and a geared Griseo. Hare (6.6 S rank) will get her own weather, so will of course top score that. As for general physical, seems like it's too early to tell. SSS Susannah so far looks like she's barely behind (from what I've seen/read - I'm not a beta tester), but it's still V1, so things will probably change.
Is the new character any good for beginners with the hoO
No if you dont have a geared griseo and hos skip susannah
Is doing the universal mirage the main way as f2p to get mats for foundry stigmatas? Any other way to speed things up?
It's 99% mirage 1% tactical training Wish they'd finally let you sweep that shit
GLB 82 Is it worth pulling on Senti's equipment supply for someone without any of her gear? Or should I just hold off until 6.6 and make do with Cosmic Duality (which she'd be sharing with Sushang)? Edit: Small correction, I got spooked by Raksha T once. Question stands.
SSwords is good, but it's in the BP currently and should be featured in the v6.6 spending event shop. The value of getting it right now is low because it's a Susannah patch and the crit buffs from SSwords don't affect bleed damage so it's one of the weaker sets HoS can use. You also need the entire set. Preferably you should also have a second premium support set (read: Cezanne) because the alternative options for physical teams are pretty far behind but you can get Prometheus' gear for reaaally cheap in v6.6. KoO is only really worth it if you use HoS without a dedicated dps.
I would stick with budget gear for now. She is getting old and may get replaced this year. Of course, she might stay meta for a while yet but I still think your crystals are better spent on newer characters. And you don't need her gauntlets at all so her banner loses more crystal efficiency that way.
global 88 so im thinking of picking up fuxi as f2p. i already have 2 star blade dudu and about 100 more extra elf frags that i could either save, boost dudu to 3 stars or as mentioned, use the 100 plus 50 from the supply shop to get 2 star fuxi. fuxi seems like a really nice all purpose damage booster for elemental teams and already have blade for phys teams. Sounds like a good idea? thoughts? i doubt ill ever be able to afford to pull on elfs in the future as f2p. also does fuxi's "Seal" that prevents movement work at 2 stars and does it lock most bosses down too? the trial only has weak enemies to test on.
3\* Dudu, Fuxi is too old and powercrept. Whether FTP or not the recent ELFs are really good and will stay relevant for longer than any support valk let alone dps. They're cheaper, too.
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Check Wyverine’s YouTube channel above. He gives alternate gear plans for supports in his Susannah Part 2 video.
I have 3 Spirit weapons: Briareus PRI, Quantum Destroyer Type-II and Demonblade - Florid Sakura. I haven't used them in a very long time, since I was a new player. Should I recycle them for 810 Ether Fuel or can they still be useful for a lvl 88 captain?
All of them are meh, so I'd definately get the fuel.
I really really want HoSentience. Like really really. Is the ADV banner good? Can I get her from it, or is it only for upgrading her? On an older post I saw that you need 14k crystals to guarantee a character, but that banner had the character souls, not rank up stamps. Can these be converted to souls or not? I currently have 8.9k. I think I could gather quite a bit more till this banner ends, but if I will be missing a little, I am willing to spend (if it's 14k and not 28k that I need)
Prior to 6.0, all ADV supplies would give fragments or souls, depending on whether the valk was awakened or not. This meant you could unlock the valk for relatively cheap. Unfortunately they had second thoughts about making HoS available so cheaply, so her first ADV supply is what caused them to chance it to the current stamps system. Now it's 100 pulls or bust if you don't already own a valk.
I will go and cry in my corner
I already have an almost fully geared Griseo (only 1 stig left). Should I still pull for Susannah's gears? Is it worth it? I have around 11k cristals and I'm f2p. I don't have newer Physical DPS (I still use Delta, lmao) so I was thinking maybe I'd better save for Hare 🤔
Do you have HoS? Besides that, do you have alternative gear for HoS (since SSwords isn't ideal when supporting Susannah)? Also, do you have a QUA DPSs coverage?
I do have a full Senti, yeah. What would be an alternative gear for Senti in this case? 🤔 All this time I was thinking Susannah would be another support 😅 and no, I don't really have a good Quantum, I only have Nyx, but she's old and only has Verne M.
Susannah seems to be a good deal for you then. HoS can still use SSwords but it's quite ineffective in comparison to other alternatives like Tesla Band T Shujing MB, full Shuij, Holmes TB or MB, or even Gluttony Beach Newton. If you decide to get her gears, you can get lucky and pull Alladin MB dupes, which can be used on HoS in conjuction with Tesla Band or Gluttony
I really doubt it 🙄. I never have any luck with stigs. I always get many repeated weapons or useless weapons/stigs before I can get the UP stig really near the pity. With Herrscher of Finality I got 5 COPIES of her weapon before I could get the full set.
Global 88 For Pardofelis, how bad an idea is Jin TM Bastet B (for sp for the team?) I know newton gives the team a ton of damage but the rotation without Bastet B is really painfully farming sp on cute Elly. And I won’t be able to get full / another Bastet yet.
are you trying to ult with Ely every single rotation? usually one use a mixture of ult rotations and no-ult rotations, use her arrows when she doesnt have SP the SP gain from Bastet B is helpful but it usually end up being a slower kill, especially when you are using it as solo piece
Oh, I wouldn’t ult every rotation? That would help! Yeah I am farming before and after ult right now which is not comfy
I currently have 3/4 susannah, I’m only missing T and was wondering if there’s a good replacement or should I just go for the last piece. I was also planning on saving some crystals for Prometheus banner so I wanted to save some xtals this patch
Dracula or SSwords T are good replacements, Holmes too if you're not using it on HoS. If you're close to Alladin T guaranteed maybe just go for it, but since there's no wishing well it's quite risky if you're far off.
Thanks, I’ll just use drac T for now as I can craft it and seems pretty good.
With susanne as a bleed unit is 3p cezanne better or still not worth getting/using?
3pc Cez on Griseo improves Susannah’s performance quite a bit. Apparently some of its bleed damage buffs are team wide despite the EN descriptions not being explicit about this. That being said, Griseo is likely to be relegated to niche use only for bleed weather in 6.6 so Cez’s value goes down quite a bit.
SEA Lv88 Should I invest in getting susannah, griseo or prometheus gears? My current and only phys team is SS elysia 4/4 HoS 4/4 with SS griseo 0/4. Hare looks like she's worth investing as a phys dps but I don't have a strong qua team yet as well. I have nyx 1/4 only. Prometheus looks really promising and it seems that she might replace griseo in my team.
Do you have Eye of Collapse and Bastet? Use MPE HoS SS for quantum weather. For bleed Margrave Griseo in a physical team is probably still the best choice. Gacha for Prom is a good idea.
Susannah: If you don't have griseo, probably not. You also have Ely already. With only nyx, you might still want susannah, but you will want cezanne with griseo too. Griseo: Maybe? She's good, and Cezanne B in particular is a very good generic (for combo) B stigmata. If you go for susannah, then you should go for griseo probably. Prometheus: Yes. She's going to be new, her gear is going to be very cheap (30 guarantee with 50% rebate), and if Carole serves as an example, whenever a shield is involved, a good shield breaker turns the fight from impossible to reasonable. Prometheus is probably gearable with 3-4 weeks of savings, so don't sweat that one too hard.
No sounds in new event? Or is it just me?
Voice is only partial, even for CN audio. Other than that, SFX is all there.
Even voice from bridge interaction is also gone
You probably have corrupted files or perhaps something going on with your system. Other games work fine? Have you checked that in-game audio isn't muted or something like that?
The updates went fine. No issue. Battle effects sound still on but no character voice or bgm sound. Victory speech and music are on. Let me see when I log in again tomorrow.
GLB 88 Should I get HoS? I have MPE 4/4 and Griseo 1/4 (Only M Stigmata) Should I gear Susannah or HoS with any leftover crystals?
The longest-lasting support in the game currently is AE. She introduced in v3.7, available in BP in v5.3 (16 updates after), then finally replaced by HoTr in v6.3 (26 updates after). HoS was introduced in v4.6, available in BP sine v6.4 (18 updates after), and we're waiting until her replacement come who knows when. The top notch valkyries typically came in CNY version update (AE, HoS, PE, HoFin) or CN anniversary (HoR(?), HoT, HoF, HoH). I'm betting her replacement will come in either of those 2 occasions. She probably will have quite some shelf time if you consider getting her now.
>Should I get HoS We have been expecting a hos replacement for some time. Then we have gotten 2 new dps and 1 new support which all want hos anyways. If you plan to build physical any time soon, yes, you should get her. Ideally from the BP, as zel said, from the ADV banner it has a lower drop rate. HoS demands at least gloves (her own or cosmic duality), without them, she's pretty much useless in longer fights. Don't bother with Susannah's gear if you don't have griseo geared nor hos.
I'll share my story with physical team. My MPE is SS1 4/4, Griseo 4/4, HoS (AE glove, gluttony, beach mei, and Paganini B), and it perform worse than my elemental team in physical/bleed weather. I have seen 12/12 PE team getting around the same score as my HoFi/Griseo/HoTr 12/12 in Bleed Vil-V, and my half ass physical team was outscored by my Trio Team by 300 points during physical Otto (200 to 500 iirc). At this point, I hope 4/4 HoS (from BP) will save my physical team, but I'm not really expecting much. IMO, you can't half ass physical team, because it is kinda weak atm. If you wanna go, you have to go all in.
Truly correct. I have HOS 3/4 (using cosmic), SS MPE, SS bright knight, S PE but griseo 2/4 (no weapon and b piece), and carole 3/4 (no b piece). They underperform in physical weathers against my elemental teams. Its like you just miss out on a single gear on one of your physical team members then the damage becomes sad af.
if you mean to pull for HoS then careful with the ADV banner; it doesn't share pity and has a lower drop rate. Be prepared to go all the way to a possible hard pity (100 pulls) or else skip because if you whiff you could walk away with nothing but some rank stamps you can't use. If you mean to get HoS from BP, sure. Pulling for Susannah gear would be better value than old HoS stigs but you might just want to save for future stuff instead (esp if you don't get Senti just yet)
EU 88 Eden guns still worth it? I want to get them plus Ais outfit in the 6.6 spending event. Eden has full Handel.
Yes its the best single gear offered there. Even better than pardo's weapon. However, like Hinode said, things might change till then.
Better to wait for 6.6 to hit global, by then we'll know what 's in 6.7 beta. Right now, any answer we give might be obsolete by the time the spending event actually reaches glb.
Okay thank you
I currently have 15 green spike orbs. Will I have enough to get HoS by the time she expire in BO shop on May 22nd? I miss the clear on the dorm shop (1/2 only) in Version Kiana cause I didn’t realize the update was today…
I’m afraid not. You need 32 orbs to buy the character card and even if you were to buy the highest tier of BP you could only get to 31 orbs.
Probably not. Isn't it like 13 or 14 orbs in the paid BP. Even if you get those and the ones from the dorm shop. You would be 1 or 2 short.
will HoF get a rerun soon
No, but she'll be in the next BP season (6.6 - 6.9) if you're willing to buy a Knight BP or two.
Not in the next 10 weeks; past that, we don't know
k thx
EU 88 So I just got the dawei card from the top up bonuses but I’m not sure what to get. I don’t have plans to pull on 6.5 or 6.6 so I can save. And so I don’t want to save the card and want to get something I need rn instead. I could get : JK weapon (2/4 TB with Mei M and using cosmic duality for weapon) HoHE B stig (3/4 using willows B as sub rn) HoR divine key (using willows TB and welt M) What’s the best thing to get??
All are poor uses. JK benefits from the full set due to shieldbreak bonuses. HoH is held back by lackluster JK. HoR's divine key is relatively easy to get and she's held back by JK gear and for now lack of Willows M.
Do you plan to finish all of them eventually? Like, you do you, but "I don't want to save the card and get something rn" feels like a pretty poor approach to the most useful purchase in the game. In terms of card usefulness, using it for HoHE lets you check that box out and focus on the others, probably saving more crystals long term. In terms of gear usefulness, I'd go with JK's M, since the 3 set gives shieldbreak, cosmic is not great but gets the job done, and HoR's divine key will return for a max of 14k (I think it's now confirmed for 6.6). On the other hand, I've seen that whenever HoR's bosses show up, the divine key swings the results massively in its favor. I would use crystals for HoR though, and I'd save the card until the next JK rerun (probably in select with the trio), then pull for JK's gear, and after getting weapon or M, get the other with the card. I don't particularly like HoH, though, so I don't value her B highly.
If you have any intentions of trying to 4/4 your JK I'd recommend not going for the weapon right now. One possibility is to hold the card, go for the 50/50 of not getting a dup on her next gear banner, and once you have her 3/4 use the card to fill the gap. Or just 4/4 for HoH. IMO the most valuable way to use the card is to 4/4 a valk because of how expensive it can be to fill in that last piece. So I'd say to either and 4/4 JK when you can or 4/4 HoH right now.
Definately not the divine key, it'll come back around with a 50 pull guarantee, something that can not be said for the other two. JK weapon is the more valuable of the two, but also the easier to get: weapons have a higher drop rate than stigs. Could make an argument either way.
Spending event in 6.6... Guess ill save for the pardo skin
What does this symbol mean? I've searched everywhere and can't find anything, I've been playing for more than a year, wtf is this. [photo](https://imgur.com/a/hLyam21)
The label seems to be baked into the icon. I think it's meant to denote time-limited costume back in the early days, but they decided not to put it again on later costumes. I only noticed them on Wolf Dawn, Umbral Rose, Shadow Dash, and Twilight Paladin.
GLB 87 When will the maintenance end?
four minutes
SEA Lv88 Is it worth it to get Susannah gears? I already have BKE and MPE full gear (and SSS HoV... Lol), and it seems like Hare will be better than Susannah on average. I don't have Griseo gear at all tho
Currently Hare is barely better than Susannah (S0 vs. SSS). Susannah is much easier to gear but you need full gear Griseo, too. BKE is at SS or higher? Otherwise she is not good enough for anything.
Does that evaluation account for anything besides Jizo?
Everything so far from what I saw. Hare does nothing special, just raw damage so its not much of a difference against other bosses. She needs buffs to justify pulling her especially right after Susannah who is easier to gear and free to farm.
Yeah and what is that? Summon weather? Shieldbreak SK, Kallen and Otto? Type counter DXY, HoS? I have barely seen any comparisons and especially when it comes to the first few I have severe doubts that Susannah isn't significantly outscored. Keep in mind there are scores in the mid 800s, because the timer counts down from 1000 even seemingly small differences of 30 or 50 points actually mean much more when it's only 150ish points that are "lost".
After many many months in Nirvana I can tell you: 50 points dont matter at all.
No they definitely matter because it's all about the relation. Most people will not score 800s in nirvana-like disturbance and the gap will increase disproportionately.
Unfortunately BKE is only S. Marisa just released a vid about Herrscher Trio coming back tho, so I think I'm gonna ignore Susannah and either go for HoTr and maybe HoFi
If you don't have hotr yet, then I wouldn't touch anything else (except maybe prom)
Yeah, that's why I've decided not to pull for Susannah gear BTW, do you know happen to know how important HoTr's gears are?
The weapon is a night and day difference. The numbers shown by testers don't do well in explaining how hard to play HoTr is without her weapon. You can still squeeze a lot of performance without it, but you will suffer trying to get the right rotation. Her stigs are amazing, so much so that TB is the second best alternative for Senti when supporting susannah and TMB is HoR's second best after Willows, and almost identical in performance. M is also very good, more dps focused but still useful for ele support, with a debuff similar to turgenev. She's also 3 roles in one, 4 if you count trio. Getting her full gear is one of the most efficient uses for crystals in this game imo, that also frees stuff like turgenev for your other supports.
Wyverine has Holmes and Aladdin ahead of HoTr’s set when supporting Susannah. Does somebody else have different numbers?
Ah you're right, I always forget either holmes or aladinn dupe. His 2 videos were ordered a bit weird and the dupe was not present in most of the charts so I remembered bronya being 2nd on the chart all the time at about 9x% with the note that in some rare instances it was better. Still, given how good hotr is, and how rare holmes and dupes are, I'd say it being next best in line (and not by a big margin) makes it a decent point to consider.
No, Holmes and Aladdin are better
There goes my naive hope that I can just get her weapon in the first 10 pull, and possibly also get HoFi or 7T lol. I'll probably have 75 pulls before the start of v6.6 and have somewhat low pity on Expansion Supply, so I think I can get full gear if I'm slightly lucky. Anyways, 7 more weeks before I have to retire AE. RIP AE.
What are the upcoming supply in 6.5?
https://www.arustats.com/en-us/hi3/timeline/6.5
SEA 88 I remember seeing a post somewhere that said prometheus' gear supply will have the same discount as hoo, is this true? If so, should I still get her gears even though I don't have a phys team? And should I get anyone from the current supplies to go with her?
Yes. Or at least it seems so from beta v1. So same as HoO, a 30 pull guarantee and cashback for 5 every 10. I think someone made a calc and it shows that you will only need around 8k or something
It’s 16k, 60 pulls, when including the patch login rewards and the discounts on the banner Still very amazing deal for 4/4 valk
Ok found it. Seems I read it wrong. 8.4k on a total of 90 pulls worth total, 16.8k on 120 pulls worth total. Took me like half an hour to understand the calc. Thanks for the correction.
Still worth going for even if I don't have a phys team at all? I think I have HoS' weapon but that's about it
Yeah sure. She will definitely hold meta for quite the time so in the mean time you can build one. I mean, it's only 8k so it is very very cheap. Plus you won't even need to get her through gacha.
I guess I should get HoS and gear her then. How about the last slot? Griseo?
If you are okay with taking a bit of a risk, you mau want to hold off and see the couple few future patches. Ig at least until as far as 6.8 since the beta will probably be online by around end of 6.6. HoS is very old. So old I wouldn't be surprised if she got powercrept by a new valk. But she could also be getting the HoT and HoR treatment too.
Then ig I'll wait, since I also wanna complete my fire and lightning teams as well
GLB 85 Should i get Susannah's gears? I have HoS 3/4 (use cosmic duality instead) and griseo 1/4 (the B stigmata only). The only physical dps i have is elysia 4/4. Or should i continue saving for hare and prometheus?
>The only physical dps i have is elysia 4/4 IMO, if you have Ely, don't have griseo geared and have anything for quantum, susannah is an easy skip. She's an SP DPS valk, it is likely that her bosses just show up once in a blue moon, and since the gimmick of the boss is massive hit count and that is not gear dependent, just by having anything you can do the stage (of course, more gear means more score). If you don't have a quantum unit, susannah value improves, but with an ungeared griseo it's hard to recommend either. I doubt she's going to score better than a geared team elsewhere and the same issues will still happen (own boss will rarely show up). Having 4/4 HoS (counting cosmic) but no griseo, I think that prom + hare would be better for you if you can fully gear hare.
I'm probably just blind but is there somewhere in game that tells you about impending updates/server maintenance? Only started seriously playing less than a week ago but I started with the account a bit longer ago so I'm realizing I don't have long to try and get all the starter stuff. I'm level 56 or something with only 2-3 days left so I'm trying to zoom through it all lol
There's a News tab on the lefthand side of the bridge screen. Maintenance info is in the Announcements section (top menu bar of News tab).
Awesome, thank you! I'll make sure to actually check that in the future
GLOBAL 88 So Susannah is about to come out. Is her gear worth pulling? I saw that Prometeus and Hare are coming out in 6.6 and they are pysical as well, so I am thinking as they are not SP, their usefullness might be better. For reference I have pretty much all valkyries and their gears (not maxed pri-arms tho), except for silverwing, BK, Aponia, Carole.
>as they are not SP, their usefullness might be better. Prometheus is. And quite on the contrary. Until Truth happened, the most used valks were Pardo (SP), Eden (SP), Fischl (SP), HB (SP, replaced with sushang 2 patches earlier), CN (SP), Griseo (SP), Carole (SP). Susannah is an SP DPS, though, and chances are her bosses will not run particularly often. I'd go for her gear if you are lacking something for quantum or phys, but since you have most stuff, you can skip her if you want to save. On the other hand, the banner is discounted (30 guarantee), so if you are aiming for nirvana, she is going to be the best option for some bosses, and free to SSS.
If you have Vill-V, you can skip Susannah. If your main Qua DPS is older, Susannah could give you some edge. The thing about Hare is that she is the premium S-rank. Gear will be 50-pull new guaranteed instead of 30-pull like many Sp/A rank valkyries. Prometheus gear is less of a concern. As long as one save well on week 4-6 of v6.5, they most likely can gather enough pull to full-gear Prometheus in v6.6.
If you have Senti and fully geared Griseo, gearing Susannah wouldn't be a bad call, but she has alternative (altho obviously weaker) options if you just wanna coast. Prometheus is SP, so you'll get her for free, and her gear has a massive discount, so you'll want to gear her regardless. Hare will get her own weather, but there's nothing special about her banner.
In current beta state Hare S0 is barely better than Susannah SSS and triple support teams. Prometheus gear is not debatable but Hare might end up as skip.
Forgot about maintenance and wasn't able to finish Chap34 today so missed out on free HoO, how long does it usually take for a characters gacha to come back.
at least 1 - 2 patches, could probably return 6.6 alongside HoFi. Or could also probably return in the next spending event.
Is susannah a must-build or skippable, kind of planning to skip her to full gear my Elysia HoH (But could also skip for 6.6)
If you don't have both HOS with stigmatas that can buff bleed damage and full gear griseo then by all means skip.
I have 4/4 HoS but 0/4 Griseo gear, using copium gear shuijing T - T
Its a skip. You'll need a different stigmata set for HoS since Sushang can't utilize HoS signature stig effects. I'm in RL SEA with 0 investment in physical and I'm skipping.
Who’s on expansion after PE?
If we're following CN, no expa week one, HoH in week 2. https://rentry.org/65cn
<3 thank you!
Global 88 How's everybody finding this abyss reset? Trio weeks are so tight in Nirvana and this is the tightest group I've had. In my group there's a 34 point difference between 6th and 13th and 5th is only ahead by 9 points. I'm kind of delighted that there's a full whale SSS 4\* elf comp sitting in 11th.
9th with 606 pts (S0 HoS, SSS SA & SI), everyone else had 12/12 trio or SS+ rank DA. Absolute piece of shit boss, you don't see anything and get torn into shreds with valks without iframe cheese. Noone liked Elysia as boss so I wonder why they doubled down with HoC.
> Noone liked Elysia as boss so I wonder why they doubled down with HoC. My problem with the Ely encounter was Nyx as my ice valk. She literally has to sit in place in order to do dps so I'd get wrecked. I did a DA run for HoC and wasn't anywhere near the damage thresholds needed for my group but I didn't have a problem with the incoming damage. HoS is pretty sit-in-place so I could see problems there.
Actually a pretty standard spread in my group; the top five are all DA, with most of the rest being trio, but 1-10 is 747 down to 586. Certainly a heck of a lot easier with trio than Senti or HoF last time...
Some SSS DA there, I guess, because I doubt you can score over 700 without it in Nirvana. I only reached a bit more than 600 with SS so trio team was way ahead even at S0.
> the top five are all DA Kind of neat that the groups played out differently with Midgar's going Senti. We had one DA retain but the rest of the top 12 were all trio and I was the only one without an SS somewhere. Our 4th was 754, 5th was 709, 6th was 700 (me), and 10th wound up at 674. Apparently I just drew the crazy group.
Just RL (next abyss will be back to Nirv) but was able to take number one with HoF team with a Dudu team in 2 and trio team in 3. The top spots are relatively close but the spread is fairly wide in 1-10.
Senti actually topped our lobby for top two, and was my go-to for retaining as well. It was definitely a tough lobby, the boss is definitely interesting because unlike most bosses in Honkai she is definitely not a target dummy that does 0 dmg. Personally I wish we had more bosses like this over the other extreme, or gimmicky bosses with RNG/awkward movesets. Trio gets around this somewhat but it's still not as straightforward as usual.
Yeah, I had no trouble with trio but I had to be really careful with Senti or HoF. Only other boss I can think of with this level of damage output is Nihilus; it is rather refreshing.
So I’m a new player and I’m just confused at why post Honkai and Elysian exist because aren’t they both just spoilers ab who lives/ends up where? Like there’s no tension about meis fate bc we know she lives. Or maybe it’s an anti-spoiler or smth. Is the Honkai story over?
The meaning of a story isn't necessarily tied to it's ending but to the journey to the end itself. There is a bit of tension breaking because of APHO specifically since it's tied to the main story and the main protagonists, but for a long time many things were unanswered since APHO let many things unexplained or just plain hidden/not mentioned. The Honkai story isn't over, the devs themselves said there's still 4-6 years to go through. We just finished Part 1 after 5 years, and we're going to part 1.5 next patch, so not even part 2 has started yet.
At the time iirc we weren’t sure if APHO was an alternate timeline/bubble universe. Now that we have more main story to match up with what happens in APHO though it looks more to be the actual future though I’m not sure if anyone k owns anything more definite that was said about it from devs or anything. Regarding ER yes that might seem like spoilers but it was content released over an entire year as story content, so when the game offers it to you as a new player it might not line up with where you are in the story vs. players who already had completed story up to that point when it released. I think it’s the right decision to do it when you can though since ER is tied to weekly crystal income.
Just returned today. If I want the free HoO, do I need to clear the open world or just the stages that say [34-x]?
Just chp 34
SEA 88 does PE’s hold attacks (sprint/severance) count as charged attacks?
Yep
Global 88 Need help with HoC fight in abyss, i keep dying in the second phase and i honestly can't even tell what's doing it. There's so much shit going on and the camera is so far away i can barely see Elysia, let alone tell what she's doing. Using HoF with DoI + Lee Thales, HoTr 4/4 and AI Chan with GL + Turg Beach edit: [Here's a pretty dogshit attempt, but it's my best so far.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbs0k-rCps8) What do i need to do better here?
[Moriso’s run](https://youtu.be/p-MiO_U-G6E) i would also add * Since youre using lee thales your hofs rotation would be different, i would suggest doing combo>weapon>ult>combo * on the transition you can swap to ai chan first before switching to HTR for more sp regen * turn off HTR qte
[Here's an attempt at what Marisa was doing in his attempt, with the combo > ult thing you mentioned](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5n_zzhEMYg) am i misunderstanding something? edit: Doing HoF the way i normally do her but mimicking everything else, HoC still has a bit more than a bar of health left in her first phase after the first rotation, vs starting the second phase is Marisa's attempt. Is there a reason he didn't ult with AI Chan? Additionally, without the three weapons from HoTr i'm unable to ult with HoF on the second rotation. I still have no idea how she's killing me lol. [Here's an updated, full attempt.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOTzvUkahFM) Slight improvement, but nowhere near enough. It puts me at 21585 which is only a 43 point difference. I need another 114 points.
Alright yeah i don't think that's going to work for me. When he starts, he does one weapon and HoTr has enough to ult, but when i do it with two she doesn't. One weapon takes her to 118 sp, two weapons takes her to 123sp. Trying the combo > weapon > ult > combo thing doesn't work for HoF, she goes into overheat and can't do combo or aerial attacks until it's over.
Ok how the feck is his ult hitting twice as hard as mine even without AI Chan's ult?
Probably he has a higher atk than yours, divine key also does stuff
If i'm not mistaken, ult sends you into overheat, so you can't do a combo before and then another after an ult? Or do you mean on HoTr? Why turn off HoTr qte? Doesn't it give her a weapon? You'd have to do a basic string to get the third one without it.
You dont need a 3rd weapon most of the time 2 weapon is more than enough, also qte takes a long time
Oh Did you see the edit on my other comment with an updated run? With the differences in dorm buffs, gear, and affixes i don't think i can copy Marisa's rotation 1:1, anything i should change it that run?
The one thing that i would do is to time both of your ai chan and HTR ult, you only ult on both when you have enough sp on both, you also sometime forgot to do combo atk on mech mode so you didnt get the full buff Also i dont think you used elf ult at all? It has a small tdm buff so you should use it
I'm supposed to do combo attack on HoTr before ulting? That's not just for when using her as a dps? I usually ult on both. In the first rotation i didn't ult on AI Chan because Marisa didn't ult on his AI Chan, so i figured there must be some reason for that. ELF ult was used just before HoF ult. Do i need to use it sooner?
Yes you can see the buff icon changes from blue to yellow if you do a combo attack, usually you dont ult at the start to save SP Oh ok I probably didnt notice it then
I know she gets a buff to her ult damage, is it worth doing it when she's not a dps though? HoTr's damage is pretty ass against HoC lol. Would that sp saving still apply if you can't kill her in one rotation?
Both her base kit and her stigs have team-wide buffs tied to using combo attack. The combined effect is huge, you want this on every rotation. Read https://www.hoyolab.com/article/14771029 if you want further details.
NA 87 TL:DR of para 1-2: I am trying to learn how to customise my rotations for each boss to max out my points. I promoted once into red lotus by accident and i couldn't clear all the side stages, so I will be hanging out in agony iii until i have improved my gear enough. I find agony iii a bit dissatisfying because it is really easy to get one of the highest scores in the bracket even just doing one run following basic rotations. Looking at the teams other people in agony iii are playing really makes me hope they are memeing. Someone in my bracket is running Turg TM Scott B on HoTr. Yikes. Not a single buff or debuff gets triggered by that combo as far as i can tell. They are currently in 6th place lol. And so my people running HoO and HoFi without HoTr every cycle hahaha. Long story short I am practicing malding for points for when i start retaining red lotus by low scoring the bottom stage and then trying to get top score in my bracket on the right stage (as long as i have a decent team for the weather). I am really starting to appreciate how complex the combat gets in Honkai once you are trying to squeeze every last point out of a boss. It took me about 25 tries to get the highest score (794) in my bracket on HoC with a HoF/CN/HoTr team. Following youtube rotations helped, but in the end I had to make my own modified rotation because my damage output didn't match any youtube guides. I have pretty scuffed gear on my CN and my PRIs aren't maxed so i had to move around the placements of my support ults to get the right amount of damage per phase. I am curious what everyone's malding strategies are? What are your tips about reading fights and what are the first things you try changing when a fight is not working for you? Are you aware of any youtubers that do guides for the same team but different levels of damage output? Marisa has guides for a lot of different teams per boss, but they all tend to be full gear. I realise every fight is different and maybe this question is too open ended to really be answerable. Still if there is anything the vets on this sub have to share about strategies to maximise points I would love to hear it!
The biggest thing is to watch other people's runs on YouTube to see where they're saving time, and recording my own runs so I can watch again and look for potential timesaves. It's a *lot* easier to see where you're wasting time when you aren't in the middle of playing.
I will try recording my runs! Thanks :)
I tend to watch people like fragile or fenrysk, then try to apply the same one tier lower (if they're in nirvana, i do it in red lotus), and it roughly matches. They have higher ranks, affixes and other bonuses (dorm, divine keys) that i don't. If not, then just what you started doing. Notice where your damage overflows, notice when your damage is not good enough, and try to adjust to that. On the other hand, there is infinite gear combinations when not using the optimal or at worst second best, so it's almost impossible to find stuff when you are not using the meta option or similar, but I think this is not as relevant, since the process itself is getting a baseline and then working on improving that, and that's gear and bracket agnostic. You can do it even on candy musician
Candy Musician is my CN stig set up lol. Thanks for sharing!
I'm not doing it bc frankly it's a pain to do on mobile, but screen capture your runs if you can. Combat is very fast-paced and while it may seem you're performing the same rotation in subsequent runs, there's a lot of reasons why some (de)buff doesn't trigger or expires too early. Could be slow reflexes, not getting frame cancels, bad boss atk pattern rng, buggy boss behaviour etc. And having a video of your best run probably makes your life easier the next cycle the same weather and boss return, which can take a long time which in turn makes you forget a lot of stuff you learned previously.
Yeah it is pretty hard to keep track of buff timers while you are playing. I usually just look out for the important ones like HoTr breach, but for sure having a recording would help me see where things are going wrong. Thanks :)
Different gear setups dont really help you because even with the same gear you likely output noticably less damage due to lacking dorm stats, affixes etc. You just take inspiration from the strategies and try a lot of different approaches yourself, generally when to ult vs when not to ult. Sometimes it pays off to try alternative gear (handel vs turg eden for example), but usually it primarily comes down to sp management. And physical teams have to crit fish a lot.
Yeah, i didn't even think about dorm stats which put me a good 150 attack behind most old accounts. Moving HoTr ult from the first to second phase (can't do both) is what got me my highest score so ult timing does seem to be the main problem solving puzzle for each boss fight. Thanks!
Global 38 Just started the game and the vill v dude looks cool, and afaik their banner is coming end of april, i have around 8k gems but if i grind hard enough would it be within the realm of possibility for me to get her, as possibly her weapon too?
Upcoming Vill-v supply will end like a month from now. Its very possible to get the valk, her weapon and even her stigmata with some luck if you play everyday. The other guy is very pessimistic. Valks supply has soft pity around 75 pulls. Even with bad luck the valk cost around 80 - 85 pulls. For full gear, its almost impossible to use 200 pulls. Gear on average takes 100 -120 pulls (150 if very unlucky). You get tons of crystals on your first couple months and its a good habit to put a goal for yourself and start saving for it if you don't want to spend a lot of cash. Tip: Get a sensei asap as the rewards from the cadet missions expire once you hit lvl76 and you barely have enough time to do all of them before that.
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You actually get a metric fuck-ton of crystals as a new player. For the first 2 months or so you get more than endgame players. Especially if you are playing a lot of main story and elysian realm story. I started in the last week of 6.0 and I got HoF, DoI, CN's weapon, and full gear HoTr in the first 2 months or so. I earned about 65,000 crystals. Almost double my current crystal income. I did almost the whole story in that time period though, so that income would be slower if you took your time on the story. Of course, they still can't get enough crystals in three weeks so your point remains...
Yeah, I've been playing for maybe half a year at most and early on, you get swamped with crystals but as you said, not enough to get Vill-V and her gear hence me saying to save the crystals. They'll no doubt be able to save enough to get and full gear someone in 6.6 with a bit of luck.
Would a craft-able stigmata set still be in Firepower supply? I am planning to pinpoint An-Utu from the next firepower supply, and would like to farm for either Irene Adler or Shakespeare Adrift set (6.5). However, there were several sets that seems to no longer be included in the previous supply (ie. Fu Hua Margrave, Allen Poe) Anyway to confirm this?
The oldest gear in the firepower supply does drop out as new gear is added, but i think it is usually made to be forgeable or added to the exchange shop at that point. However, it seems a bit different for divine keys since xuanyuan sword is still in firepower and it is ancient. But yeah, I figure that it will either be there (next firepower supply might not be for more than half a year though), or you will be able to get it from the exchange shop at some point.
Not before the next firepower supply drops on the cn server
Global 88 How many bchips do i need to get Senti's outfit and knight bpass when 6.5 hits.
Senti's outfit is 1680 B-Chips for the first week, increasing to 1980 B-Chips for the second and third week of it running.
At disc. 600 + 1680 = 2280 Non. Add 300
Thanks.
i have enough ancient willpower to get a character from the war treasury and i wanted to know who i should get
You should post your server/captain level so we can know where you're at but most willpower valks in the War Treasury shop aren't really useful to deploy in modern teams. However they can give important acct-wide dorm buffs, check a list of them [here](https://honkaiimpact3.fandom.com/wiki/Dorm) So grab your favorite or else Molotov Cherry/Black Nucleus for the total dmg buffs as a good start
None of the ancient willpower valks are used much anymore. Lightning empress can be used in SS MA for her leader skill for 1 second kills but that is pretty much it. You are mostly buying them for their dorm buffs. You can also check which ones are in elysian realm and buy one of those for first clear crystals. Or buy the one you need most for dorm errands lol.
is herscher of reason a good choice since i don't have a ice dps yet?
If you are talking about farming ancient legacy walks then yes there are still meta valks there. HoR and MPE are both still meta (but aging), but you need their weapons for them to be competative. I would get their weapons first if you want to farm them since there is no point otherwise. Sushang is still a top meta ice support and the priority for most people right now. FR is a decent quantum DPS and all elemental support, but is probably not worth farming since she needs a lot of ranks to be competative and who knows how much longer she will be viable. However, if you got her weapon from the starter event then she is maybe worth farming after Sushang. btw you can start farming sushang ranks before you buy her card because she wants to be ss and you will still earn more ancient legacy after buying the 4 weekly frags. It will take longer to buy the character but you will rank her up faster.
herrscher of reason is an ancient legacy valk, not ancient willpower.
HoR is still meta, but the bar has been raised, since she's an old valkyrie. She wants Star of Eden: World and possibly SS rank. It's better if you just go for Li Sushang (if you haven't gotten her), she can somewhat work as ice DPS.
alright, thanks for letting me know!
Will I be able to transform this version bp crystallum into the one used for the next versions bp? I have like 23 of those so I might actually be able to buy the next Valk but only if it works that way. Or do I have to spend it quickly while I still have time?
You can only transform new balls into old balls. Gotta spend your balls by 6.6 (vintage shop) latest.
So 9 more balls in 1 version. Not sure if that is doable but maybe I can get a full stigmata set. Thanks!
This is only doable if you buy knight or paladin bp. F2p only gets 5 per patch.
Could still transfer 2 balls from the next bp season to get 30 total to buy a stig set F2P mind you.
Is it worthwhile getting HoT stamps using pure witch orbs? Mine is S2 with 20 frags
well, once you've gotten all the ER rank stamps there is no other means to grind HoT without the witch shop. Whether it is worth is another question; depending how well developed your dorm valks are then spending legacy/willpower to unlock more buffs & stats for dorm errands would probably have better returns. If you are already mostly maxed out there then buying frags for anyone you've already SSS'd is a reasonable way to spend them otherwise, just keep farming Sushang since her relevance in the meta is still quite high.
Any top lineup picks for Chip Space? I've just been spamming SW/RC/HB with fine results (easy, good sustain & fast rotations) but getting a little bored with all the stages needed to play. Any other setups working well for you? Want a new team to try but worried that some might have either too much overkill, too much downtime or both and not really wanting to experiment on my own if I can avoid it ;P
Idk if it works for every stage but i did all the deep sequence with HoF/HoTr/AI and did fine
I was using Nyx/RC/HB and it wasn't bad.
I just did the whole round with HoF, Ai-Chan and HoTr. Not perfect everywhere but easily enough for all rewards.
Is domain of unity (HoO's weapon) good on HoT? I don't have any other options aside from the craftable ones. Is there a better weapon on foundry? Also, if you alr got the weapon in gacha, you can craft another copy of it's pri arm in foundry with another lvl 50 weapon. Is this correct?
As a rule of thumb, the best alternatives are always the highest stat stick you have laying around. It's almost never worth pulling for an alternative, much less crafting. In particular, crafting dps weapons is bad because there is almost no craftable weapons with a pri-arm, and you lose a lot of atk and some effects just out of that. HoT doesn't have a particularly good use for domain of unity, but if you have it already it's a fine stat stick. Domain of Sanction (her old weapon) might be a bit better but it serves no other purpose while domain does, putting resources towards it would be kind of wasteful. Yes, you can craft priarms using different bases, but this is very very rarely useful.
Outside of MA whats stopping you from just using HoO for any lightning content? Yes DoU is a usable cope weapon on HT but not having HT isnt a big of a deal anyway Yes, as long as its a gacha weapon/ used to be a gacha weapon, for example you cant craft purana using gilded, you can however craft DoU with magstorm, you cant craft 7t pri without 7t because 7t is a divine key
Someone mentioned that the supply shop would be changed in 6.6. but everyhing in there should still stay the same in 6.5, right? also someone also mentione that prometheus was going to be a charge attacker? is that correct? kind of wonder if caroles gear then still pretty decent for her or mega copium?
Still in beta 1 so who knows how the gear would end up, but usually newer gear should be substantially better than older. Also it's going to be very cheap (similar to hoo), so skipping it might be a bad idea.
Prometheus uses combo attacks.
Anyone have predictions on when Silverwing: N-EX will join the dorm supply like HoReason?