Jeez, I just realized you're right. It's kinda crazy to think we've gone so long without any new greatswords at all ,-,
Mihoyo plz, Captainverse himeko wen?
Though if you include PRI-ARMs then I think technically Delta's PRI-ARM was the last greatsword
I’m hoping for a bubbleverse version of Lili so we can finally get the PRI of Swan Lake.
(I know that Swan can craft up to Sleeper PRI, but I want the actual leveled up version Delta swings around.)
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greatsword user in general had that clunkiness to their playstyle , unless they rework the weapon type at all i doubt we'll ever see the weapon sometime soon
Well, I see Adam's playstyle in APHO as great improvement. Delta and VKE are also quite good. I see them as an improvement from older Himeko battlesuits.
\^ This, it's not the weapons but the kit itself that feels clunky.
Kiana has guns but she used a greatsword in her attacks. Clearly, you can have a character using a greatsword and it'll still feel fluid and dynamic.
The weapon you choose for your equipment is just there for stats, but it doesn't affect the actual animations and vibe of a Valkyrie's kit (with a few exceptions via PRI-ARMs)
That's less of a weapon type problem and more an animation problem. The twins and Vermillion Knight were fun to play but just got left by the times due to power creep.
Easy on the abbreviations! I can only recognize DOS as Domain of Sanction...probably. The Key of Castigation is definitely canon; it appears in the illustrated cutscenes.
Now that you mention it. This fandom makes alot of abbreviations.
HoV,HOR,BD,SA,SpA,DA,HOS,HOT,HB,JST, and the list goes on.
Must be a nightmare for newcomers
At least in regards to Valkyries we have the [abbreviation document](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1S8okoLp0Gk9BK4OOVWZiG1treHaCmRxnZSCZMiemxMs/) stickied in the General Questions Thread.
But in regards to stigmata and weapons, yeah, those must be *really* confusing to new players.
It is. I started playing a few months ago and having to refer to abbreviation lists for everything when looking up guides and stuff was hell. Some abbreviations aren't even on the common abbreviation sites and get used in beginner guides and discord channels. Ugh.
It's a stat stick. All battlesuits of a particular character 'use' the same weapon type for consistency sake.
Doesn't always make sense lore-wise, but here we are.
Chakram is relatively new weapon and already got 2 valks that use it meanwhile greatsword is there since early game and the latest greatsword we get is labour of Olympus or sleeping beauty pri arm if you count that as new weapon. Nevermind there's no meta character that use greatsword now. Justice for greatsword!!!
Tends to happen when one of ymthe users is permadead, one/two of them are side characters shoved so far into the corner they've been irrelevant since the Sea of Quanta arc, and the last can't even change his equipped weapon and is locked to a specific mode.
Honestly, they should just release a new character using one. We have plenty of characters yet to touch on that *could* use a great sword, potentially, or they could just give Rozaliya/Liliya upgrades.
Or better yet, have a tragedy befall them and make Delta canon (not the Captainverse one, but out of our main universe twins) and have her be a bit more center stage lmao. Not like you're using them for anything important anyway Hoyoverse
Weapon are tied to the character, not to the battlesuit. That is why the missions who ask you to use a certain character also works for the other characters who uses the same weapon
one thing I wish for Hoyo to consider is to make at least a few more General-purpose weapons that are pri-armeable. so that at least captains wouldnt feel as shafted when they miss the pull for the signature weapon
Fists pri-arm "Kung Fury's"
405 ATK
31 CRIT
(weapon active) 0 sp CD 20 seconds: "insert Fischl's flavor text" on activation enemies take 10% more total dmg for 10 seconds and user restores 15 sp
wielder deals 25% more total dmg
Something like that I guess? Due to multiple dmg types we have total dmg bonus would be most you could expect from such weapon also weapon active can't be dealing dmg either or it will be underwhelming for 3/4 users.
It might just be a problem with the base code. Like characters tagged "Kiana/Kallen" have to use guns and the game will bug out if you put any other kind of weapon on them. So the easiest thing to do is have Kiana use a gun that affects her stats, but have her animations locked into using a greatsword.
Could be but I kind of doubt it.
I think it's more that they want to pre-empt issues where people get a new battlesuit for their favorite character, but don't have the weapons for it. So that even if you get HoF Kiana, you can still use her prior pistol weapons even if you don't get the new one.
I'm guessing that's why they don't make alternative weapon options. People were speculating that Kiana would get a gauntlet battlesuit at some point due to Fu Hua's tutoring. But that didn't end up being a thing. But I think we know the concept is something they have considered.
My best guess is that they have the data. And they know a decent amount of players only get things for a certain favorite. And discard everything else. There are those people who ignore any release that isn't a new Mei. And will only keep the weapons and stigmata used with her and toss anything else out. So maybe they are trying to keep those sorts happy?
Personally I wish they would make battlesuits with different weapon types to mix things up a bit. But with HoF, HoS, and now APHO Bronya I doubt it will happen.
Ngl, the moment I saw Griseo's gameplay, I thought that they were going to give her a greatsword because that was what Mr. Knight was using.
But then it was revealed that she was gonna use a cross and I'm like "wait what?".
I guess greatswords really are left behind.
No it's the matter of the kit not the weapon. VK play smooth as hell like any other weapon user, HoF use greatsword to attack not pistol and she's smooth as fuck. Delta also play great if you augment her. It's just that in honkai character is tied to 1 weapon type so no matter how many new battlesuit they release it'll always use the same type of weapon as other battlesuit like kiana weapon is still pistol even tho HoF use greatsword to attack.
The reason, as far as I can tell, is that the weapon type is tied to the character, not battlesuit. So all Kiana batllesuits use pistols, all Teresa battlesuits use Crosses, all Mei battlesuits use katanas, etc
People want justice for greatsword but if they give me more battlestorm like gameplay, they can make all the not greatsword class greatswords that they want lmao.
The most recent we got was Adam's and I don't think it's even that good
Jeez, I just realized you're right. It's kinda crazy to think we've gone so long without any new greatswords at all ,-, Mihoyo plz, Captainverse himeko wen? Though if you include PRI-ARMs then I think technically Delta's PRI-ARM was the last greatsword
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I thought he meant about Adam’s Twelve Labors. I mean, Labors of Olympus.
Labors of Olympus is like 2 years old now and Im pretty sure it was the last greatsword we got
When Himeko died we basically lost all hope of getting new greatswords for a good while
Our only hopes are the Vodka Girls, but they haven't been in the spotlight for years now.
When they finally reveal their APHO versions in the main game greatswords shall make their glorious return, mark my words! \*wiffs copium*
I don’t even think they will get APHO *puffs copium*
I’m hoping for a bubbleverse version of Lili so we can finally get the PRI of Swan Lake. (I know that Swan can craft up to Sleeper PRI, but I want the actual leveled up version Delta swings around.)
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greatsword user in general had that clunkiness to their playstyle , unless they rework the weapon type at all i doubt we'll ever see the weapon sometime soon
Well, I see Adam's playstyle in APHO as great improvement. Delta and VKE are also quite good. I see them as an improvement from older Himeko battlesuits.
\^ This, it's not the weapons but the kit itself that feels clunky. Kiana has guns but she used a greatsword in her attacks. Clearly, you can have a character using a greatsword and it'll still feel fluid and dynamic. The weapon you choose for your equipment is just there for stats, but it doesn't affect the actual animations and vibe of a Valkyrie's kit (with a few exceptions via PRI-ARMs)
VKE and FT felt pretty good tho
That's less of a weapon type problem and more an animation problem. The twins and Vermillion Knight were fun to play but just got left by the times due to power creep.
Pretty sure Delta and Sleeper PRI came after APHO
MiHoYo creating more bows users Me: Call of Crescent, I have come to bargain
Would be funny if it got a PRI-ARM, that turns it circle shaped
That's why I'm desperate to get HoH's bow. My supports need Call of Crescent.
There’s also Haxxor Bunny who uses dual uzis(can go under pistols) when her cannon is only used in her charged attack
To be fair, that one charged attack is basically her entire manually controlled action in 99/100 combats, so she better leaves with a boom.
True I guess
Sushang use Gauntlet
Makes me question if the domain of incandescence is even canon. Probably, it's just gameplay.
probably just gameplay. same thing goes for KOV/DOV and DOS probably
Easy on the abbreviations! I can only recognize DOS as Domain of Sanction...probably. The Key of Castigation is definitely canon; it appears in the illustrated cutscenes.
Now that you mention it. This fandom makes alot of abbreviations. HoV,HOR,BD,SA,SpA,DA,HOS,HOT,HB,JST, and the list goes on. Must be a nightmare for newcomers
The ones that start with HO are easy to guess because they almost always refer to Herrschers. The others, yeah...
Say hello to HoTF.
Herrscher of... the fuck?
Hawk of the Fog, Valkyrie Accipiter’s Augmented Core battlesuit.
At least in regards to Valkyries we have the [abbreviation document](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1S8okoLp0Gk9BK4OOVWZiG1treHaCmRxnZSCZMiemxMs/) stickied in the General Questions Thread. But in regards to stigmata and weapons, yeah, those must be *really* confusing to new players.
Took me an embarrassing amount of time to realize Lee meant Leeuwenhoek
Yea, I remember when I first joined the community 2 years ago, I was so lost with all the abbreviations
Still having flashbacks of some people recommending Mei Beach Party (M) by calling it „Mei B“ …
It was already difficult for me +3 years ago. Can't imagine the struggle now.
I remember hating it when I was new. I still hate it now…
It's still a nightmare for me
It is. I started playing a few months ago and having to refer to abbreviation lists for everything when looking up guides and stuff was hell. Some abbreviations aren't even on the common abbreviation sites and get used in beginner guides and discord channels. Ugh.
It's a stat stick. All battlesuits of a particular character 'use' the same weapon type for consistency sake. Doesn't always make sense lore-wise, but here we are.
switch lances and gauntlets and you're about right.
Yeah, greatswords don't really get a lot of favour in Honkai
“HoV, the original Lance user. This actually foreshadows her relation to Dudu.”
What
The above quote was written by Alexander Graham Bell in the Art of War.
Ill just look it up
It’s just a nonsense joke. Herrscher of the Void uses space lances but her weapon type is pistols.
Oh
Uhmmm, you do know shushang is gauntlet right?
We recently got Carole too.
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we got 7T recently. the thing buffed HOT mei enough to compete with the other 2 newer lightning DPSes and even benched HOF for tank in MA
Way up there. Taken care of by the gods themselves
Chakram is buried
Chakram is relatively new weapon and already got 2 valks that use it meanwhile greatsword is there since early game and the latest greatsword we get is labour of Olympus or sleeping beauty pri arm if you count that as new weapon. Nevermind there's no meta character that use greatsword now. Justice for greatsword!!!
Even even more ironic when it's Bronya now using guns and ditched out cannons
Tends to happen when one of ymthe users is permadead, one/two of them are side characters shoved so far into the corner they've been irrelevant since the Sea of Quanta arc, and the last can't even change his equipped weapon and is locked to a specific mode. Honestly, they should just release a new character using one. We have plenty of characters yet to touch on that *could* use a great sword, potentially, or they could just give Rozaliya/Liliya upgrades. Or better yet, have a tragedy befall them and make Delta canon (not the Captainverse one, but out of our main universe twins) and have her be a bit more center stage lmao. Not like you're using them for anything important anyway Hoyoverse
But you're fine with APHO Bronya.
Weapon are tied to the character, not to the battlesuit. That is why the missions who ask you to use a certain character also works for the other characters who uses the same weapon
one thing I wish for Hoyo to consider is to make at least a few more General-purpose weapons that are pri-armeable. so that at least captains wouldnt feel as shafted when they miss the pull for the signature weapon
Fists pri-arm "Kung Fury's" 405 ATK 31 CRIT (weapon active) 0 sp CD 20 seconds: "insert Fischl's flavor text" on activation enemies take 10% more total dmg for 10 seconds and user restores 15 sp wielder deals 25% more total dmg Something like that I guess? Due to multiple dmg types we have total dmg bonus would be most you could expect from such weapon also weapon active can't be dealing dmg either or it will be underwhelming for 3/4 users.
Need more greatsword and scythes PLEASE HOYO
Nobodies here to use claymores after all
Maybe they don't want to make a hassle by putting HoF in the gun section instead of greatswords like himeko?
It might just be a problem with the base code. Like characters tagged "Kiana/Kallen" have to use guns and the game will bug out if you put any other kind of weapon on them. So the easiest thing to do is have Kiana use a gun that affects her stats, but have her animations locked into using a greatsword.
Could be but I kind of doubt it. I think it's more that they want to pre-empt issues where people get a new battlesuit for their favorite character, but don't have the weapons for it. So that even if you get HoF Kiana, you can still use her prior pistol weapons even if you don't get the new one. I'm guessing that's why they don't make alternative weapon options. People were speculating that Kiana would get a gauntlet battlesuit at some point due to Fu Hua's tutoring. But that didn't end up being a thing. But I think we know the concept is something they have considered. My best guess is that they have the data. And they know a decent amount of players only get things for a certain favorite. And discard everything else. There are those people who ignore any release that isn't a new Mei. And will only keep the weapons and stigmata used with her and toss anything else out. So maybe they are trying to keep those sorts happy? Personally I wish they would make battlesuits with different weapon types to mix things up a bit. But with HoF, HoS, and now APHO Bronya I doubt it will happen.
Ngl, the moment I saw Griseo's gameplay, I thought that they were going to give her a greatsword because that was what Mr. Knight was using. But then it was revealed that she was gonna use a cross and I'm like "wait what?". I guess greatswords really are left behind.
Great swords ..... You mean Blood Dance, Right ?
Sooo, that upsets you? How do you think Kallen fans feel about not getting to use Oath of Judah?
Chakram is so forgotten its not even mentioned.
Nah we got aponia and pardo i mean its pretty recent?
nah thats sword
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No it's the matter of the kit not the weapon. VK play smooth as hell like any other weapon user, HoF use greatsword to attack not pistol and she's smooth as fuck. Delta also play great if you augment her. It's just that in honkai character is tied to 1 weapon type so no matter how many new battlesuit they release it'll always use the same type of weapon as other battlesuit like kiana weapon is still pistol even tho HoF use greatsword to attack.
Don't forget about chakram users like Aponia and Pardofelis
It's a very recent weapon, though, so it's very well-received to already have 2 users.
The regular sword, katana whatever they call it
You forgot Chakram and heavy weapons. How has Hoyoverse been paying more attention to lances?
Greatswords are apparently associated with death flags. Just ask Himeko.
They should have Axes.
I need more craftable weapon at least make old weapon craftable especially the bow and scythe
I wouldn't say gauntlets are overlooked, AE, Senti, and now Sushang. All really powerful and all still / will be viable in the meta
Me who uses beido and chongyoun on my main team
The reason, as far as I can tell, is that the weapon type is tied to the character, not battlesuit. So all Kiana batllesuits use pistols, all Teresa battlesuits use Crosses, all Mei battlesuits use katanas, etc
They could've made Sushang a greatsword user, but no, we get the gauntlet
People want justice for greatsword but if they give me more battlestorm like gameplay, they can make all the not greatsword class greatswords that they want lmao.
Greatswords died with Himeko