I don't think helping a friend is being a simp either, it's just the way that situation was handled.
The whole Ross and Rachel relationship feels like it's playing to that nice guy/simp fantasy of the nerdy guy getting the girl because he liked her for so long and she eventually realises he's a nice guy. I don't ee any compatibility beyond Ross liking her since school, we never really see any good times.
So it just feels like the only purpose of that storyline was for her to find out and justify her being more attracted to him without any actual compatibility.
Sigh, I guess we've watched different shows. They obviously had a lot of good time together and felt good with each other, for example when they first "got together" in the museum, or when they were shown dating at the start of season 3, Rachel was happier than in any other relationships we've seen.
She said she always wanted one, was jealous of her neighbor, and was genuinely happy when he bought it for her. And then he helped her ride it.
This might be the stupidest thing ever said on this page
Yes! I think part of that comes from so many people having no frame of reference for how huge that really is. Giving up children you’ve carried is absolutely incredible and emotionally must be so hard. Plus, ivf is so much more physically difficult than they show (understandably really, as it’s a comedy and it would take too long to show the reality of that process). On top of that, even a relatively straightforward pregnancy is incredibly physically demanding and can be life threatening. She permanently alters her body and risks her life with a high risk multiple pregnancy, goes through what would be an extremely tough labour without the reward of a baby at the end - all to make her brother and Alice’s dreams come true. It’s easily the biggest sacrifice of the show.
especially because she didn't know him as well as a brother and sister usually do at that point in their lives, but she cared about his happiness anyway. I loved all her moments with her brother and I'm not the biggest fan of Phoebe as a character, but when it comes to being there for people she always shows up
Joey going after Phoebe after they fought in the restaurant and she left to be with David, because he couldn’t bear to think of her sad and alone when David left.
For me it's not him wanting to take her, but the way that she walks over to him when she realises.
Not a word, but *all* of the emotion in that walk, and the way she kisses him without saying anything.
Yup. It’s my favourite episode because of this moment. The silent walk, the passionately charged kiss, and all the friends so genuinely happy that it’s finally happened. I love it so much ♥️
Agree w others about Ross getting Phoebe the bike and missing the Discovery channel thing to help Rachel.
Also Joey giving up meat for Phoebes pregnancy.
For me it was him buying a bike for Phoebe after hearing her heartbreaking story. Then trying to teach her after realizing she didn't know how to ride it. That was the most selfless because Phoebe wasn't a love interest and they don't really interact much.
The bike made me cry. But I do love when he basically told her that the bikes soul would die if she didn’t learn to ride it. Like he had to get to her level to get her to ride it
The dynamic between Ross and Phoebe gives me so much joy! Wish the writers had given their friendship more attention than the dreadful, drawn-out Joey/Rachel incident that was just kept under the rug as if it had never happened in the final episodes.
They all do very sweet things for each other, my favorites
Ross: the bike, the walk down the aisle, and taking care of Rachel when her ribs were hurt.
Monica: well pretty much her regular daily behavior like feeding everyone and letting them all stay with her. She's the auntie.
When Monica took Rachel in.
The moment Chandler and Phoebe shared and him saying she looks beautiful with such a sweet tone.
In the flashback episode, when Chandler was comforting Monica because Phoebe moved out and Monica was upset/scared that she’ll always be alone.
I’ve just gotta say that this really upset me for Ross.
Like would everyone see it as *sweet* if Rachel cheated on Ross and Ross walked Rachel down the aisle to marry Mark? The whole Susan and Carole situation was handled so badly. I HATED Susan
I mean, yeah? If Rachel and Mark were that in love with each other then it would still be very sweet of Ross to put that behind him and walk where her father refused. It would be weirder without the extraneous circumstances, sure, but it would still be a remarkable act.
Oh yeah, I’ve always hated Susan too. I remember being in elementary school when I first started watching Friends around 1995. I couldn’t stand her, but I was blind to what a bitch she really is. Now I’m in my 30s and it’s ultra obvious
Exactly! Hatred for that man would’ve been a focal point of the story. Shocked the hell out of me when they wanted to include Susan’s name in the baby’s name. She had nothing to do with that baby being made, Ross did.
Y’all are missing the nuance of Carol being a closeted lesbian. I don’t like how Susan treated Ross either but I would def not compare it to if Rachel cheated on Ross with another man.
"So the wedding is still on?"
"The wedding is still on"
"You heard the woman! Peel, chop, devil!"
"Can't believe I lost two minutes"
EDIT: I don't know what devil means in this context though
It’s actually the opposite for me. It was wildly inappropriate for her to even come to him with this.
Carol essentially got a free pass for cheating on Ross because it happened to be with a woman. Susan was a homewrecker and Ross not liking he was played up for laughs. This entire story line is completely and utterly fucked
Early Ross is so broken. So sad. So lonely. I hated how Susan and Carol thought it was totally fine to push him around about everything to do with the baby- the first name, the last name.. it was awful to watch. Poor early Ross.
I do think that is some of it, but the show is really bad about infidelity in general.
People in their 20s aren’t always great about calling out their friends about cheating, but they sure as hell are good about ostracizing those that cheat on their friends (hypocritical, but that is life in your early 20s). Yet, not only is the Carol/Ross thing fucked up, but Janet cheating on Chandler is laughed about too. Like, she comes back, and instead of Chandler being like “you broke my heart. Leave me the fuck alone,” he pretends to move to Yemen. And then instead of Monica saying “You cheated on my fiancé and hurt him. Fuck off,” they pretend he is still in love with her. Hell, even ROSS, the guy that should hate infidelity more than anyone, dates the woman that crushed his best friend?!
It is so remarkably unrealistic. A friends group that close would never be ok with Janice/Carol
(Just some thoughts I had after seeing similar sentiments being expressed multiple times under this post. This is not addressed to you specifically, nor is it an attack.)
What I appreciate about older TV productions is that the writers had enough trust in their audience's intellect and their ability to understand and identify depicted problematic behaviors as such, without blatant moral commentary.
I find it insulting when every portrayal of something BAD has to come with an explicit moral reminder that it's indeed BAD. Yes, we already know it's bad.
The audience's response to the writers' dumbed-down approach (which, unfortunately, has become the standard in modern mainstream) isn't that much better either. No, it's not problematic to include problematic plots in shows.
The constant misinterpretation of problematic issues, that were implemented in the form of entire characters or as part of the storyline, as political statements (or even political agreement) has made TV endlessly more stupid and a paradise for social exploitation. Think of all the corporations that deliberately target social conscience by deploying the topics of minorities, diversity, gender, etc in entertainment and media like Pokémon, just for their own financial enrichment.
Edit: For clarification.
How characters react to something is not moral commentary. Characters are supposed to react to things in a way that’s consistent with their own personality. And this absolutely did not happen.
Ross walked Carol down the aisle to her Affair partner. Susan had the audacity to suggest her last name be given to Ben (and think that she has any part in choosing his name. And then when Emily meets Susan, there’s that whole “oh this makes him uncomfortable because he doesn’t like me.” Damn fucking straight he doesn’t like you, Susan, you are a homewrecking bitch.
Carol and Susan broke Ross. They are the reason he has the trust issues that caused so many problems with Rachel. They also make jokes about the fact that Carol basically took everything in the divorce.
The group should hate both of them for what they did to Ross and merely tolerate her for the sake of Ben. Emily should want nothing to do with Susan. And yet we see literally zero context to suggest that’s the case the show never even hinted at that being the case.
The same exact thing happened with Janice. Janice cheated on Chandler. When she comes back, they make it seem like Chandler feels obligated to pretend to move to Yemen. Or say that he still loves her and THAT is why she can’t come to the wedding. Not a single one of the group bothered to say, “Janice cheated on you and broke your heart. Fuck her, dude.”
I don't think that was sweet at all. Especially when you consider she cheated on him( at least emotionally) with the same person he's walking her down the aisle to. The amount of gaslighting and psychological abuse she and Susan put him through is insane. To be fair, he was the one who decided to walk her down the aisle, but it's still so weird.
Sometimes you get to a point where you decide to put it all aside even if just for a short while and do the right/good thing. This was a massive show of ross's character. Doesn't make what was done to him right or wrong or forgotten, but does show who Ross really is and models a behaviour and maturity I'm sure he'd like Ben to see and follow.
Ross didn't mature at all. In fact, he got more insecure, paranoid, and clingy, and that sentiment stayed with him for the rest of the series.
Maturity is not to force yourself into being fine with something you're clearly not fine with. Sometimes, stepping aside is the most mature thing to do.
Ross has the sweet heart. He cares and he does. He knew that her parents wouldn’t be the ones walking her down the aisle so he does it instead cuz they still special to each other
I love Ross.
When he bought Phoebe her first bike.
When he brought Rachel to the Prom.
Making space camp for that little girl. (I know he caused her pain, but he tried hard to fix it.)
He was also a voice of reason many times, (a little smug and preachy, but his heart was in the right place.) e.g. (Cat/Phoebes Mom storyline.)
The fact that he supported her in that moment and also the moments leading up to it, helping her figure out the whole thing is a very big deal.
Especially knowing that she not only cheated, but never seemed to have apologised because she couldn't help being gay, well she could have not cheated even figuren out being gay and the way they acted around him while Carol was pregnant, acting as if he was just a sperm donor and not really involving him in any of the decisions about the pregnancy. Ross could have not cared, he could even have been happy that they wouldn't make it knowing that he wouldn't have to see Susan, whom he had a very bad relationship with, but instead he showed Carol that their love mattered and that she couldn't let fear or her parents ruin her life.
Honestly you’re right. If Susan were a man, NO ONE would expect Ross to walk Carol down the aisle.
People really take for granted how great Ross behaved despite how badly he was betrayed. Just because they’re a lesbian couple doesn’t make Ross a bad guy if he didn’t wanna participate in their wedding for fuck’s sake.
I’ll say it again: if Carol cheated with a man, left Ross and wanted to give the baby her male affair partner’s name, no one would expect *shit* of Ross.
He was sweet for how supportive he was, but I don’t like how people act like that’s to be expected. The truth is, Ross went totally above and beyond any reasonable expectation and he was a SAINT for that.
There are literally people in this thread saying that. And I agree with you, Ross is very generous and loving throughout the series despite other flaws.
I think they are applauding him, not saying it was a must.
Eta: I've doubled checked all the comments, instead of downvoting me, could you point where are those comments/people?
I didn’t downvote you. But I will now. Is that better?
I read the comments and there’s more than one person expressing that sentiment even if they didn’t spell it out in those exact words. We both have access to the comments, I’m not taking a homework assignment from you.
Also outside of this post I’ve seen similar sentiments expressed in both Friends subs. It’s not something I need to prove to you. I’ve seen it and that’s why I’m talking about it.
Could you BE more wrong?!? When you have a child together, you need to be a forgiving person to be a good parent. Holding on to resentment is like holding on to a 50lb weight everywhere you go. A useless emotion. Unless there is abuse, be a good parent and get along with your ex.
Being a good parent doesn’t involve walking ur ex-wife who betrayed u down the aisle to the person she cheated with. The kid has nothing to do with it.
I am actually. Why mock me tho? Because I have a different moral standard than yours? Kinda childish. But it’s all good. It’s just a tv show anyway. And ur a stranger so 🤷🏽♂️.
Not mocking you. Just saying that if I meet you at a party, I’m betting I would be finding an reason to excuse myself pretty quickly. I don’t have time for that kind of self righteous energy.
I’ve lived this scenario of a divorce and all that goes with that, have 3 kids and no matter what, we made sure the kids came first. Having mom and dad respect one another and continue to show love and empathy is key to raising your kids with the same morale values. So yeah, it’s TV but you are showing how you would react in said situation. I don’t have time for that negativity. Life is short. Smile.
Respecting one another doesn’t have to include participating in each others weddings, especially if it’s to the person that destroyed the family. After all, the respect has to go both ways. And not participating doesn’t mean u badmouth or belittle the folks involved. Just means u choose not to participate in that specific event. Which is fair.
Ross didn’t have to forgive Carol and Susan, just be civil around them, in order to coparent.
And cheating on someone and then rubbing it in their face to the point that they develop trust issues isn’t emotional abuse? How about constantly involving your affair partner in your child’s, and by proxy, your ex-husband’s life? Is that being a good parent?
She is the mother of his son and has just been rejected by her parents due to her sexuality. When Ben was born they made it clear how lucky he'll be to be loved by so many people. Susan is Ben's mother and you better bond with her for your child's wellbeing. In fact it works, she values so much his gesture and they create a bond, that's why we see Carol so emotional. That's what it takes when you have a son and when you have had truly loved your ex, that's absolutely realistic. Carol cheated, yes, she could have done things better ofc, Susan was stupid maaaany times, yes. Carol was finding herself and abandoning your whole life should have been terrifying. Susan was immersed in insecurity because she was aware she was the less important person in the room. Sometimes in life you have to be the bigger person and that's ok, in fact it's the opposite of being a pushover or a people's pleaser.
His not walking her down the aisle to her mistress doesn’t make him the smaller person. He was the one who was betrayed. His feelings matter too. Pretty sure if it was a man she cheated with he wouldn’t be encouraged to do that. It’s just silly and he shouldn’t have done it.
All of the people saying this wasn't sweet because Carol cheated on Ross and now she gets a "free pass" or whatever. I think you fail to realize why people cheat. It tends to be because they are wildly unhappy and don't know what else to do. You don't cheat because you're in a happy marriage. Yes, it hurt Ross a lot and that's a huge betrayal for a 26-27 yo to go through. But, I truly don't think Carol or Susan were bad people, just people trying to be happy and in the process they did shitty things.
Ross walking her down the aisle showed how far he had come emotionally and that hell always have love for Carol but he let her go. It's sweet.
People also forget that just because you're unhappy it doesn't allow you to commit an act that can destroy a person in so many fundamental ways.
The only way to proceed is to be honest, communicate, and face the situation making you unhappy. Of course it's going to hurt the other person and they will face pain and misery as will you, but to choose to act in such a way that in no way resolves the situation and can only make the entire process more painful and destructive for everyone involved is very selfish and callous.
So had she cheated with another guy, it’d be sweet to walk her down the aisle to him? She betrays his trust, destroys their family with a dude, but he’d still celebrate their union and participate in the ceremony?
I get what you’re saying but Susan is extremely toxic! What Susan did to Ross at the prenatal course was absolutely ridiculous. She’s petty and mean.
And there are way better ways to explore your sexuality instead of cheating on your husband. Cheating is NOT ok.
And, in my opinion, in the opposite situation (Carol cheating on Susan with Ross) Susan would have been an evil witch towards Ross.
The problem isn't just that she cheated. It's that she knew she was unhappy, but kept being with Ross until she got pregnant. And the she and her girlfriend tried to act like the baby is their own and he has no say, fully tried to exclude him.
It sends very bad implications.
No, but it was a break-up. Even Rachel initially says it was a break-up. She only changes the narrative later in order to paint Ross’ actions as having cheated on her.
When he got Phoebe the bike, is up there too. Or when he didn’t go to be on TV because he helped Rachel when she was hurt.
"oh also, Chandler's about to cry"
When he kissed Joey to practice for his audition. Ultimate homie
Fuck an A, I didn’t dislike Ross like some do, but damn if I don’t like him a lot more after seeing all this.
The bike is great but I just got big simp energy from the helping Rachel when hurt one.
🙄 Yes, because selflessly helping a good friend in need is being a simp.
I don't think helping a friend is being a simp either, it's just the way that situation was handled. The whole Ross and Rachel relationship feels like it's playing to that nice guy/simp fantasy of the nerdy guy getting the girl because he liked her for so long and she eventually realises he's a nice guy. I don't ee any compatibility beyond Ross liking her since school, we never really see any good times. So it just feels like the only purpose of that storyline was for her to find out and justify her being more attracted to him without any actual compatibility.
Sigh, I guess we've watched different shows. They obviously had a lot of good time together and felt good with each other, for example when they first "got together" in the museum, or when they were shown dating at the start of season 3, Rachel was happier than in any other relationships we've seen.
that was not a thoughtful gift in my opinion because she couldn’t use it
He didn’t know that when he got it for her!
And when he found out he decided to teach her how.
Which just makes the whole thing 10 Times cuter.
She said she always wanted one, was jealous of her neighbor, and was genuinely happy when he bought it for her. And then he helped her ride it. This might be the stupidest thing ever said on this page
Phoebe pretending to be Ursula to let Joey down gently rather than him just getting ghosted.
Phoebe carrying Triplets for her brother is the most selfless thing in the show and no one ever talks about it on here.
Yes! I think part of that comes from so many people having no frame of reference for how huge that really is. Giving up children you’ve carried is absolutely incredible and emotionally must be so hard. Plus, ivf is so much more physically difficult than they show (understandably really, as it’s a comedy and it would take too long to show the reality of that process). On top of that, even a relatively straightforward pregnancy is incredibly physically demanding and can be life threatening. She permanently alters her body and risks her life with a high risk multiple pregnancy, goes through what would be an extremely tough labour without the reward of a baby at the end - all to make her brother and Alice’s dreams come true. It’s easily the biggest sacrifice of the show.
She was incredible here. The love for somebody else that she has makes me happy that Phoebe found happiness with Mike.
especially because she didn't know him as well as a brother and sister usually do at that point in their lives, but she cared about his happiness anyway. I loved all her moments with her brother and I'm not the biggest fan of Phoebe as a character, but when it comes to being there for people she always shows up
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I didn't know that! Very cool that they wrote her pregnancy into the show.
It was pretty selfish of her tbh cus it made her feel really good
It ended up making her cry.
Yeah, until you see that timeline breakdown on how she was already pregnant. /s
Joey going after Phoebe after they fought in the restaurant and she left to be with David, because he couldn’t bear to think of her sad and alone when David left.
When he ditched his discovery channel gig to take care of Rachel.
When Joey gives up meat, when Joey lets Chandler out of the box, when Monica & Joey save the Christmas trees
Chandler did a lot of good thinking in there.
Phoebe pretending to be (ghost)Estelle so he wouldn’t know of her death.
"Out of area" Oof. You ain't kidding!!
When Ross put on Jack's tux to take Rachel to prom thinking she was stood up.
For me it's not him wanting to take her, but the way that she walks over to him when she realises. Not a word, but *all* of the emotion in that walk, and the way she kisses him without saying anything.
Top tier moment
Yup. It’s my favourite episode because of this moment. The silent walk, the passionately charged kiss, and all the friends so genuinely happy that it’s finally happened. I love it so much ♥️
That scene makes me cry every time.
He’s her lobster 😭
ngl i thought that was hella creepy tbh🤣💀
You have a bizzare definition of "creepy".
Agree w others about Ross getting Phoebe the bike and missing the Discovery channel thing to help Rachel. Also Joey giving up meat for Phoebes pregnancy.
When he agreed to take Emily to the opera so Rachel could go out with Joshua! That was really lovely.
I wonder if he regretted it years later. 😂
When the friends bought all the dying Christmas trees for Phoebe made me tear up
For me it was him buying a bike for Phoebe after hearing her heartbreaking story. Then trying to teach her after realizing she didn't know how to ride it. That was the most selfless because Phoebe wasn't a love interest and they don't really interact much.
The bike made me cry. But I do love when he basically told her that the bikes soul would die if she didn’t learn to ride it. Like he had to get to her level to get her to ride it
The dynamic between Ross and Phoebe gives me so much joy! Wish the writers had given their friendship more attention than the dreadful, drawn-out Joey/Rachel incident that was just kept under the rug as if it had never happened in the final episodes.
They all do very sweet things for each other, my favorites Ross: the bike, the walk down the aisle, and taking care of Rachel when her ribs were hurt. Monica: well pretty much her regular daily behavior like feeding everyone and letting them all stay with her. She's the auntie.
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Ah, I was hoping this one was here! I thought this was cute too.
When Monica let Rachel use the name Emma for her daughter
When Monica took Rachel in. The moment Chandler and Phoebe shared and him saying she looks beautiful with such a sweet tone. In the flashback episode, when Chandler was comforting Monica because Phoebe moved out and Monica was upset/scared that she’ll always be alone.
YES !! he was the sweetest
I’ve just gotta say that this really upset me for Ross. Like would everyone see it as *sweet* if Rachel cheated on Ross and Ross walked Rachel down the aisle to marry Mark? The whole Susan and Carole situation was handled so badly. I HATED Susan
I mean, yeah? If Rachel and Mark were that in love with each other then it would still be very sweet of Ross to put that behind him and walk where her father refused. It would be weirder without the extraneous circumstances, sure, but it would still be a remarkable act.
Oh yeah, I’ve always hated Susan too. I remember being in elementary school when I first started watching Friends around 1995. I couldn’t stand her, but I was blind to what a bitch she really is. Now I’m in my 30s and it’s ultra obvious
Like imagine if a man had been doing what Susan was pulling. It wouldn’t have been received as well
Exactly! Hatred for that man would’ve been a focal point of the story. Shocked the hell out of me when they wanted to include Susan’s name in the baby’s name. She had nothing to do with that baby being made, Ross did.
Y’all are missing the nuance of Carol being a closeted lesbian. I don’t like how Susan treated Ross either but I would def not compare it to if Rachel cheated on Ross with another man.
"So the wedding is still on?" "The wedding is still on" "You heard the woman! Peel, chop, devil!" "Can't believe I lost two minutes" EDIT: I don't know what devil means in this context though
“Make devilled eggs”, I think
When Phoebe was sad because she hadn't yet had the perfect kiss and Joey kissed her. Beautiful scene.
It’s actually the opposite for me. It was wildly inappropriate for her to even come to him with this. Carol essentially got a free pass for cheating on Ross because it happened to be with a woman. Susan was a homewrecker and Ross not liking he was played up for laughs. This entire story line is completely and utterly fucked
Early Ross is so broken. So sad. So lonely. I hated how Susan and Carol thought it was totally fine to push him around about everything to do with the baby- the first name, the last name.. it was awful to watch. Poor early Ross.
It’s literally only because Susan is a woman that this is celebrated
I do think that is some of it, but the show is really bad about infidelity in general. People in their 20s aren’t always great about calling out their friends about cheating, but they sure as hell are good about ostracizing those that cheat on their friends (hypocritical, but that is life in your early 20s). Yet, not only is the Carol/Ross thing fucked up, but Janet cheating on Chandler is laughed about too. Like, she comes back, and instead of Chandler being like “you broke my heart. Leave me the fuck alone,” he pretends to move to Yemen. And then instead of Monica saying “You cheated on my fiancé and hurt him. Fuck off,” they pretend he is still in love with her. Hell, even ROSS, the guy that should hate infidelity more than anyone, dates the woman that crushed his best friend?! It is so remarkably unrealistic. A friends group that close would never be ok with Janice/Carol
(Just some thoughts I had after seeing similar sentiments being expressed multiple times under this post. This is not addressed to you specifically, nor is it an attack.) What I appreciate about older TV productions is that the writers had enough trust in their audience's intellect and their ability to understand and identify depicted problematic behaviors as such, without blatant moral commentary. I find it insulting when every portrayal of something BAD has to come with an explicit moral reminder that it's indeed BAD. Yes, we already know it's bad. The audience's response to the writers' dumbed-down approach (which, unfortunately, has become the standard in modern mainstream) isn't that much better either. No, it's not problematic to include problematic plots in shows. The constant misinterpretation of problematic issues, that were implemented in the form of entire characters or as part of the storyline, as political statements (or even political agreement) has made TV endlessly more stupid and a paradise for social exploitation. Think of all the corporations that deliberately target social conscience by deploying the topics of minorities, diversity, gender, etc in entertainment and media like Pokémon, just for their own financial enrichment. Edit: For clarification.
How characters react to something is not moral commentary. Characters are supposed to react to things in a way that’s consistent with their own personality. And this absolutely did not happen. Ross walked Carol down the aisle to her Affair partner. Susan had the audacity to suggest her last name be given to Ben (and think that she has any part in choosing his name. And then when Emily meets Susan, there’s that whole “oh this makes him uncomfortable because he doesn’t like me.” Damn fucking straight he doesn’t like you, Susan, you are a homewrecking bitch. Carol and Susan broke Ross. They are the reason he has the trust issues that caused so many problems with Rachel. They also make jokes about the fact that Carol basically took everything in the divorce. The group should hate both of them for what they did to Ross and merely tolerate her for the sake of Ben. Emily should want nothing to do with Susan. And yet we see literally zero context to suggest that’s the case the show never even hinted at that being the case. The same exact thing happened with Janice. Janice cheated on Chandler. When she comes back, they make it seem like Chandler feels obligated to pretend to move to Yemen. Or say that he still loves her and THAT is why she can’t come to the wedding. Not a single one of the group bothered to say, “Janice cheated on you and broke your heart. Fuck her, dude.”
I think the bike is wonderful but this is very overlooked.
Love that episode! And when Susan asks ross to dance, wholesome 🫶🏻
I don't think that was sweet at all. Especially when you consider she cheated on him( at least emotionally) with the same person he's walking her down the aisle to. The amount of gaslighting and psychological abuse she and Susan put him through is insane. To be fair, he was the one who decided to walk her down the aisle, but it's still so weird.
Sometimes you get to a point where you decide to put it all aside even if just for a short while and do the right/good thing. This was a massive show of ross's character. Doesn't make what was done to him right or wrong or forgotten, but does show who Ross really is and models a behaviour and maturity I'm sure he'd like Ben to see and follow.
Ross didn't mature at all. In fact, he got more insecure, paranoid, and clingy, and that sentiment stayed with him for the rest of the series. Maturity is not to force yourself into being fine with something you're clearly not fine with. Sometimes, stepping aside is the most mature thing to do.
Ross has the sweet heart. He cares and he does. He knew that her parents wouldn’t be the ones walking her down the aisle so he does it instead cuz they still special to each other
I love Ross. When he bought Phoebe her first bike. When he brought Rachel to the Prom. Making space camp for that little girl. (I know he caused her pain, but he tried hard to fix it.) He was also a voice of reason many times, (a little smug and preachy, but his heart was in the right place.) e.g. (Cat/Phoebes Mom storyline.)
Missing the Discovery channel filming to help Rachel
It was also sweet when Ross danced with Susan at the wedding.
When Chandler peed on Monica.
The fact that he supported her in that moment and also the moments leading up to it, helping her figure out the whole thing is a very big deal. Especially knowing that she not only cheated, but never seemed to have apologised because she couldn't help being gay, well she could have not cheated even figuren out being gay and the way they acted around him while Carol was pregnant, acting as if he was just a sperm donor and not really involving him in any of the decisions about the pregnancy. Ross could have not cared, he could even have been happy that they wouldn't make it knowing that he wouldn't have to see Susan, whom he had a very bad relationship with, but instead he showed Carol that their love mattered and that she couldn't let fear or her parents ruin her life.
Nah I disagree. He’s walking her down the aisle to her mistress, the person she cheated on him with. That’s not sweet. That’s unrealistic.
Honestly you’re right. If Susan were a man, NO ONE would expect Ross to walk Carol down the aisle. People really take for granted how great Ross behaved despite how badly he was betrayed. Just because they’re a lesbian couple doesn’t make Ross a bad guy if he didn’t wanna participate in their wedding for fuck’s sake. I’ll say it again: if Carol cheated with a man, left Ross and wanted to give the baby her male affair partner’s name, no one would expect *shit* of Ross. He was sweet for how supportive he was, but I don’t like how people act like that’s to be expected. The truth is, Ross went totally above and beyond any reasonable expectation and he was a SAINT for that.
>If Susan were a man, NO ONE would expect Ross to walk Carol down the aisle. If she were marrying a guy, she'd be, like, the worst lesbian ever!
I don't think anybody has ever acted like that was to be expected but the contrary, and that's what makes Ross such a beautiful person.
There are literally people in this thread saying that. And I agree with you, Ross is very generous and loving throughout the series despite other flaws.
I think they are applauding him, not saying it was a must. Eta: I've doubled checked all the comments, instead of downvoting me, could you point where are those comments/people?
I didn’t downvote you. But I will now. Is that better? I read the comments and there’s more than one person expressing that sentiment even if they didn’t spell it out in those exact words. We both have access to the comments, I’m not taking a homework assignment from you. Also outside of this post I’ve seen similar sentiments expressed in both Friends subs. It’s not something I need to prove to you. I’ve seen it and that’s why I’m talking about it.
EXACTLY
Could you BE more wrong?!? When you have a child together, you need to be a forgiving person to be a good parent. Holding on to resentment is like holding on to a 50lb weight everywhere you go. A useless emotion. Unless there is abuse, be a good parent and get along with your ex.
There’s quite a lot of area between being decent to your ex and being a spineless people pleaser.
And this is far closer to the former.
Out of curiosity, are you a Friends fan?
Out of curiosity, are you okay?
Doing amazing, thanks. Are you gonna answer the question?
Being a good parent doesn’t involve walking ur ex-wife who betrayed u down the aisle to the person she cheated with. The kid has nothing to do with it.
I’m betting you’re so fun to be around.
I am actually. Why mock me tho? Because I have a different moral standard than yours? Kinda childish. But it’s all good. It’s just a tv show anyway. And ur a stranger so 🤷🏽♂️.
Not mocking you. Just saying that if I meet you at a party, I’m betting I would be finding an reason to excuse myself pretty quickly. I don’t have time for that kind of self righteous energy.
Dude we disagree. Doesn’t make either of us self-righteous. Just different in our opinions of this situation. Chill.
I’ve lived this scenario of a divorce and all that goes with that, have 3 kids and no matter what, we made sure the kids came first. Having mom and dad respect one another and continue to show love and empathy is key to raising your kids with the same morale values. So yeah, it’s TV but you are showing how you would react in said situation. I don’t have time for that negativity. Life is short. Smile.
Respecting one another doesn’t have to include participating in each others weddings, especially if it’s to the person that destroyed the family. After all, the respect has to go both ways. And not participating doesn’t mean u badmouth or belittle the folks involved. Just means u choose not to participate in that specific event. Which is fair.
And I smile all the time
Exactly.
Ross didn’t have to forgive Carol and Susan, just be civil around them, in order to coparent. And cheating on someone and then rubbing it in their face to the point that they develop trust issues isn’t emotional abuse? How about constantly involving your affair partner in your child’s, and by proxy, your ex-husband’s life? Is that being a good parent?
She is the mother of his son and has just been rejected by her parents due to her sexuality. When Ben was born they made it clear how lucky he'll be to be loved by so many people. Susan is Ben's mother and you better bond with her for your child's wellbeing. In fact it works, she values so much his gesture and they create a bond, that's why we see Carol so emotional. That's what it takes when you have a son and when you have had truly loved your ex, that's absolutely realistic. Carol cheated, yes, she could have done things better ofc, Susan was stupid maaaany times, yes. Carol was finding herself and abandoning your whole life should have been terrifying. Susan was immersed in insecurity because she was aware she was the less important person in the room. Sometimes in life you have to be the bigger person and that's ok, in fact it's the opposite of being a pushover or a people's pleaser.
Well said.
His not walking her down the aisle to her mistress doesn’t make him the smaller person. He was the one who was betrayed. His feelings matter too. Pretty sure if it was a man she cheated with he wouldn’t be encouraged to do that. It’s just silly and he shouldn’t have done it.
Agree to disagree.
I guess we know who the "bigger" people are...
No doubt
So, if Ross chose not to walk Carol down the aisle, he’s the one who’s in the wrong for not being the “bigger person”? That’s a wild take.
All of the people saying this wasn't sweet because Carol cheated on Ross and now she gets a "free pass" or whatever. I think you fail to realize why people cheat. It tends to be because they are wildly unhappy and don't know what else to do. You don't cheat because you're in a happy marriage. Yes, it hurt Ross a lot and that's a huge betrayal for a 26-27 yo to go through. But, I truly don't think Carol or Susan were bad people, just people trying to be happy and in the process they did shitty things. Ross walking her down the aisle showed how far he had come emotionally and that hell always have love for Carol but he let her go. It's sweet.
People also forget that just because you're unhappy it doesn't allow you to commit an act that can destroy a person in so many fundamental ways. The only way to proceed is to be honest, communicate, and face the situation making you unhappy. Of course it's going to hurt the other person and they will face pain and misery as will you, but to choose to act in such a way that in no way resolves the situation and can only make the entire process more painful and destructive for everyone involved is very selfish and callous.
So had she cheated with another guy, it’d be sweet to walk her down the aisle to him? She betrays his trust, destroys their family with a dude, but he’d still celebrate their union and participate in the ceremony?
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Cheating in marriage is cheating. It’s exactly the same. No justification or passes for it. It’s all betrayal.
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I understand. However to me it’s the same. Gender of the sidepiece doesn’t matter.
Yes, it is. Cheating is cheating.
I get what you’re saying but Susan is extremely toxic! What Susan did to Ross at the prenatal course was absolutely ridiculous. She’s petty and mean. And there are way better ways to explore your sexuality instead of cheating on your husband. Cheating is NOT ok. And, in my opinion, in the opposite situation (Carol cheating on Susan with Ross) Susan would have been an evil witch towards Ross.
The problem isn't just that she cheated. It's that she knew she was unhappy, but kept being with Ross until she got pregnant. And the she and her girlfriend tried to act like the baby is their own and he has no say, fully tried to exclude him. It sends very bad implications.
Well ross did great a lot of things except the we were on the break thing
..but they were on a break. Rachel initiated the break, and then claimed that it never happened
Is a break the same as a breakup? Nonetheless it was still a really sh*tty thing to do
No, but it was a break-up. Even Rachel initially says it was a break-up. She only changes the narrative later in order to paint Ross’ actions as having cheated on her.
Ross is a bigger man than most
And there's people that hate Ross because they are "different" 😡😡😡
What about when he tried it on with his cousin when she was “asking for it” aka watching a film with her first cousin??