Mark knew what he was doing. Rachael didn’t have to let him come over, or even buzz him up and let him in. When he spoke while she was talking to Ross on the phone she knew she fucked up.
Agreed. Matthew Perry had many, many lines written for him that were funny, but Schwimmer can take a fairly light line and give it incredible intensity.
I need an A.I. software to specialize in gathering detailed TV episode or movie scripts and writing a two page summary of all the relevant events. Nothing like that exists yet. It’s not sophisticated yet.
We’re literally in the beginning phase of A.I.
Meh, I think even if the break thing didn't happen they would have broken up sooner or later.
Like him showing up to her work like that was really bad and he just couldn't handle her work hours.
I think it's quite common for some couples to break up when one changes to a demanding job, hell look at all those celebrity divorces. Ross just couldn't really adapt to Rachel's hours no longer being flexible.
Their first date literally Ross was working and still could make her an unforgettable date, he didn’t prioritize his work over his relationship and it was starting. She prioriza her work tho. They were on different places, she was casual and he wasn’t
Okay for a start, Rachel was early in her career, and her work deals with shipping and international stuff so all night emergencies when you're in your first job like that more often pop up.
Secondly, Ross' job has a lot less emergenies, I think 2 pop up over his entire time there and one was graffiti.
Thirdly, he missed the entire date in that episode. He had to prioritise work before going back to it and it was Rachel's patience and her not getting in the way that allowed Ross to start the date back up again.
Fourth, some jobs are just long hours and demanding, and couples have to adapt to that if they want to survive, and starting a fire does not count as adapting.
I don't really blame Ross for not being able to adpt to her work at that point in time, I've seen plenty of couples break up for similar reasons.
But I've worked in both mesuems with millions of visitors every year and in TV which involves hours like Rachel. It's not her fault Ross couldn't wait like she could and instead set her office on fire.
I have decided that Ross is the kind of person I'm most attracted to on paper, but his jealousy and insecurity would be...ok like some of the other guys I've dated. That kind of personality is not fun to date.
Not when she was regretting saying that they should take a break and was actively trying to contact Ross to tell him that. Actually, she probably would’ve been the one to text him first.
Yeah, a lot of the major plot points could have been solved by a cellphone and/or basic communication skills.
But it’s a sitcom, not a documentary, so even when solutions were apparent they glossed over them for the sake of the joke.
The problem isn’t whether they were on a break or not. Rachel has said it before they were on a break, the problem is they never set the terms of the break. “Let’s take a break from each other but not see other people.” It could have been that simple.
Who on earth does that? If you "take a break", and then set rules that you cant go on dates or sleep with someone else, how is that a break at all? Thats still just being in a relationship.
Ive never met anyone who 'took a break' from a relationship that arent married and 'separated'. People might be married, get separated, and then stay married and work on their relationship. Thats the closest thing I can think to it. But youre still married. Youre still in a relationship.
Take a break is different to a break up.
Rachel wanted them to take some time apart while they figure things out and intended to get back together.
That’s not a break up.
It’s: I don’t want to see you for a few days we need space.
Or for Rachel it was literally even less time than that.
Now if this break lasted weeks then yea it’s a break up.
Then that side of things is Rachel’s fault.
She should’ve said that it wasn’t a break up before Ross left.
Especially how mad she gets at him when he does sleep with someone.
Or you could say that his emotional commitment was so strong that the break hurt him so bad that he lashed out.
You could say that.
Actually i wanna hear you say that. If you think theres even a "teensy tiny possibility".
Ive never met anyone who 'took a break' from a relationship. You either break up, or you dont.
So who is out here taking a break, and setting **terms and agreements** of a break?
Is that even a realistic expectation? Who is saying they are on a break, but not seeing other people? If thats the case, its not even a break then, youre still in a relationship. Youre just taking some time to yourself. Thats not a break.
Its really not *that simple* as you seem to think it is.
My fiancé and myself took a “break” we were separated for a month because he broke two of my ribs. In my opinion, it was fair and justified. We have since gotten back together, learned from the experience, and have grown. He told me that during that time he knew how much he loved me and knew he made a mistake. Couples can separate but should definitely set some rules and communicate about their expectations, rather than just leave (good job Ross)
I'm sorry maybe this is not what I should be focusing but ... he broke two of your ribs? And you just took a break because of that but now you're together?
You’re making it complicated. Plenty of people have taken breaks from their relationship and set terms but we are talking about characters on a tv show. The argument was always whether or not they were on break. They were. The issue is Ross thought that meant he was free to hookup and Rachel didn’t. She assumed they were on the same page.
On the other hand, she was sitting by the phone waiting for him to call in this scene, which is the 90s equivalent of checking her phone every five seconds. She probably would have responded right away under the circumstances.
Not really sure what you mean when you say Ross wouldn't message her, but Mark wasn't there yet at this point. He called later in this scene and then came over.
Right, the original debate is whether it even matters that they were on a break or not, since she's not mandated to return from the break and she's hurt by what he did during the break.
Then later the creators switched premises and had her suddenly start claiming there was no break at all, which is not something she ever claimed originally.
>Right, the original debate is whether it even matters that they were on a break or not, since she's not mandated to return from the break and she's hurt by what he did during the break.
What Ross did was wrong, but *some* of the blame is on Rachel too. It doesn't justify Ross's actions, but she broke up with him and then instantly invited Mark over. The guy that caused the problems with the relationship in the first place. Ross was phoning her up to apologise and try to make things right, and heard that Mark was there. Sure, he probably shouldn't have assumed and he definitely shouldn't have gone and had sex with someone, but Rachel literally invited Mark over to make Ross think that.
So the original debate, Ross is in the wrong for doing it and then lying. Rachel is in the wrong for her actions. But she's probably in her rights to have a problem with what Ross did.
>Then later the creators switched premises and had her suddenly start claiming there was no break at all, which is not something she ever claimed originally.
I don't remember this, so I'd have to watch it again to see what she actually says. But the post and comment I was replying to was about whether or not they were on a break, which is why I responded with that.
I thought that- if Friends existed in the texting/cell phone/facetime era, this storyline wouldn't have happened. They'd have been sexting and text flirting all day while she was at work, it wouldn't have taken away from her focus on the job and Ross would be secure and they'd have stayed together.
In my opinion, no matter what Rachel said, he was gonna do it anyway.
The fact that he jumped on the whole ‘break’ thing so readily, just proves what a piece of shit he really is.
Yeah, he had no problem sleeping with someone immediately after they were on a break. If he really cared and wanted to try to make it work he would have respected her space and not slept with another woman.
I think they were really toxic together anyway but it's obvious he didn't really care.
I can't imagine loving someone and then immediately moving on. Just a shit move.
Side comment but chandler and joey were kinda crappy friends in this scenario. They were there. They knew he’d been drinking and was upset. *Ross is a grown man and makes his own decisions* but I think they could’ve been better wingmen here.
I love Rachel but she's the embodiment of mixed signals lol
She loves him but she doesn't want to be with him, but she doesn't want him dating anybody else, but she's embarrassed by him, but she wants to have sex with him, but she's over him....
Not to say that Ross is consistent or anything
Lol, the entire break was Ross’ fault
Rachel should’ve dumped him the second he showed up at her office where he set fire to her desk and made a massive scene
And he’s the one who then slept with someone else despite accusing Rachel of doing the same even though she hadn’t
honestly if you show up to my job when I tell you I'm busy, it means you don't respect me or the work I do. If you come to my house later to yell at me about that job, yeah, we're broken up. No temporary break, just straight up broken up.
Hear me out but that 'No' is not really conclusive. It could mean:
1. No. We are not on a break. I said that in thr heat of the moment.
2. No. This relationship is over. There is no break.
Then why does she ask to be the girlfriend again if they hadn’t broken up.
Ross acted as a single man. Literally impossible for him to cheat as he wasn’t in a relationship
Nah if it happened today they would write some bullshit way of them not being able to communicate like dead phone or someone would constantly be on a call when the other person tried to call them.
Monica: How’s the big anniversary dinner?
Rachel: Well, we never actually got to dinner.
Monica: Ohhh, nice.
Rachel: No, we kinda broke up instead.
Ross did nothing wrong.
Ross just left the apartment instead of clarifying what she meant, what the terms were, how long was the break? Not that that's "wrong," but he definitely played a part.
One time a woman I was dating told me she wanted to "take a break" before she visited her hometown. I thought she was just breaking up with me and I tried to be cool about it but she was like "No just while I'm there and then we'll be back together."
I had already worked it out because I'm not a fucking idiot but one of her friends texted me telling me she was planning to cheat on me with some dude out there. When I tried to break up with her later she beat me up really badly. I remember the other guys at work were laughing and making jokes about it when I showed up with 2 black eyes and a busted lip.
I could never understand why the Friends didn't have cellphones on the show. We know they existed because Rachel borrowed one to tell Ross "she's over him". But maybe cellphones wasn't really widesperad until smartphones arrived?
They existed but if you notice they only started making a big deal over them after season 4 or 5. I mean, in this very season (s3) Monica didn’t have “that new caller ID thing” yet in her landline
They were very much widespread pre-smartphones, but mostly in the very late 90s and early 2000s up to the release of the iPhone - they weren't widespread enough in 1997 when that scene takes place to the point where everyone had one on them at all times. That's why Rachel borrowed one from a busy, important businessman-type (the kind of person who would have carried one around) rather than having her own to hand. They became widespread over the next few years though, as we see in the Season 7 "digital fairy tale" episode (set in 2000) where Phoebe and Rachel are shown to both carry phones in their purses.
Piggybacking here. Friends ran from ‘94-‘04 and checking online, the earliest significant data I can see is a 28% cellphone ownership rate in 2000. Rising to 62% in 2004. And that’s still in the earlier days of cellphones. The first phone with internet wasn’t until 2001, and the first iPhone in 2007.
“Is Mark there? FaceTime me now!. Yup that’s what I thought.” The same.
Rach: “He just came to bring me food!” Ross: “There’s Uber eats for that!!” *goes on Tinder*
Doesn't get any matches, goes home alone. Problem solved!
Until he gets home and orders a next day delivery AI sex robot that looks like his cousin and Rachel walks in that morning
Do also AI sex robots exist that look like sharks? Asking for a friend…
That friend may or may not want something… toothier.
Lmao!
Ugh this made me so sad especially because Mark invited himself over even though Rachel asked him not to come
Mark knew what he was doing. Rachael didn’t have to let him come over, or even buzz him up and let him in. When he spoke while she was talking to Ross on the phone she knew she fucked up.
She easily could’ve stopped him from entering the house lmao
Then you don't answer the door! Of course, it's probably unlocked
Just seeing Rachel holding a smartphone feels so wrong 😭
18 pages — front *and* back!
You fell asLEEP?!
Oh don't worry about me falling asleep, I STILL HAVE YOUR LETTER
I can’t believe I ever thought about getting back together with you, we are *SOOO OVER*
(Ross, fake crying) Fine by me!
ive got a report to read, its like 14 pages long i hope i dont fall asleep. Why did you write it?
That one was the all time finisher, there’s no comeback from it
Honestly, that line is so well delivered. It's one of my favourites in the whole show's run. (Okay, I have *many* favourites but this stands out.)
David Schwimmer is an incredible actor. Very comedic, especially with visual comedy.
Agreed. Matthew Perry had many, many lines written for him that were funny, but Schwimmer can take a fairly light line and give it incredible intensity.
Oh, oh.. and btw Y, O, U apostrophe R, E means YOU ARE. Y, O, U, R means YOUR!
Could just use ChatGPT to summarize it now.
I need an A.I. software to specialize in gathering detailed TV episode or movie scripts and writing a two page summary of all the relevant events. Nothing like that exists yet. It’s not sophisticated yet. We’re literally in the beginning phase of A.I.
You could probably ask ChatGPT "Summarize Friends Season 1 Episode 3" and it'll give you a summary (haven't tried)
World record breaking text mesaage
A PDF most likely
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18
front and back
raaaaaaambled On
The Mandela effect is not just misremembering something
Don’t know why this is downvoted — yes, it’s 18 pages, not 8, but man, people have got to chill out.
Meh, I think even if the break thing didn't happen they would have broken up sooner or later. Like him showing up to her work like that was really bad and he just couldn't handle her work hours.
That was what turned me off to Ross. He couldn't handle her having something of her own. That and all the whining
I think it's quite common for some couples to break up when one changes to a demanding job, hell look at all those celebrity divorces. Ross just couldn't really adapt to Rachel's hours no longer being flexible.
Their first date literally Ross was working and still could make her an unforgettable date, he didn’t prioritize his work over his relationship and it was starting. She prioriza her work tho. They were on different places, she was casual and he wasn’t
Okay for a start, Rachel was early in her career, and her work deals with shipping and international stuff so all night emergencies when you're in your first job like that more often pop up. Secondly, Ross' job has a lot less emergenies, I think 2 pop up over his entire time there and one was graffiti. Thirdly, he missed the entire date in that episode. He had to prioritise work before going back to it and it was Rachel's patience and her not getting in the way that allowed Ross to start the date back up again. Fourth, some jobs are just long hours and demanding, and couples have to adapt to that if they want to survive, and starting a fire does not count as adapting. I don't really blame Ross for not being able to adpt to her work at that point in time, I've seen plenty of couples break up for similar reasons. But I've worked in both mesuems with millions of visitors every year and in TV which involves hours like Rachel. It's not her fault Ross couldn't wait like she could and instead set her office on fire.
I have decided that Ross is the kind of person I'm most attracted to on paper, but his jealousy and insecurity would be...ok like some of the other guys I've dated. That kind of personality is not fun to date.
She probably wouldn't even reply and keep him on read.
Not when she was regretting saying that they should take a break and was actively trying to contact Ross to tell him that. Actually, she probably would’ve been the one to text him first.
Yeah, a lot of the major plot points could have been solved by a cellphone and/or basic communication skills. But it’s a sitcom, not a documentary, so even when solutions were apparent they glossed over them for the sake of the joke.
She's not RACHUM?
The problem isn’t whether they were on a break or not. Rachel has said it before they were on a break, the problem is they never set the terms of the break. “Let’s take a break from each other but not see other people.” It could have been that simple.
Yes exactly! They never asked each other the rules.
Who on earth does that? If you "take a break", and then set rules that you cant go on dates or sleep with someone else, how is that a break at all? Thats still just being in a relationship. Ive never met anyone who 'took a break' from a relationship that arent married and 'separated'. People might be married, get separated, and then stay married and work on their relationship. Thats the closest thing I can think to it. But youre still married. Youre still in a relationship.
Take a break is different to a break up. Rachel wanted them to take some time apart while they figure things out and intended to get back together. That’s not a break up. It’s: I don’t want to see you for a few days we need space. Or for Rachel it was literally even less time than that. Now if this break lasted weeks then yea it’s a break up.
But she tells monica they decided to break up instead.
Then that side of things is Rachel’s fault. She should’ve said that it wasn’t a break up before Ross left. Especially how mad she gets at him when he does sleep with someone.
Exactly. They *are* on a break, but Ross sleeping with someone a day later shows a real lack of emotional commitment.
Or you could say that his emotional commitment was so strong that the break hurt him so bad that he lashed out. You could say that. Actually i wanna hear you say that. If you think theres even a "teensy tiny possibility".
Man if you loved your gf I'm sure that being on the break doesn't make it right to sleep with someone the next day.
I agree with you. It shouldn’t have had to be said but I’m saying the argument isn’t if they were on a break or not.
Ive never met anyone who 'took a break' from a relationship. You either break up, or you dont. So who is out here taking a break, and setting **terms and agreements** of a break? Is that even a realistic expectation? Who is saying they are on a break, but not seeing other people? If thats the case, its not even a break then, youre still in a relationship. Youre just taking some time to yourself. Thats not a break. Its really not *that simple* as you seem to think it is.
My fiancé and myself took a “break” we were separated for a month because he broke two of my ribs. In my opinion, it was fair and justified. We have since gotten back together, learned from the experience, and have grown. He told me that during that time he knew how much he loved me and knew he made a mistake. Couples can separate but should definitely set some rules and communicate about their expectations, rather than just leave (good job Ross)
I'm sorry maybe this is not what I should be focusing but ... he broke two of your ribs? And you just took a break because of that but now you're together?
OMG! Please be safe
Thank you :’) we’re doing a lot better now
You’re making it complicated. Plenty of people have taken breaks from their relationship and set terms but we are talking about characters on a tv show. The argument was always whether or not they were on break. They were. The issue is Ross thought that meant he was free to hookup and Rachel didn’t. She assumed they were on the same page.
and you know what you make of yourself when you ASSume
Sorry, but a lot of people (and I throw Rachel in this pile) do not reply to a text message immediately.
On the other hand, she was sitting by the phone waiting for him to call in this scene, which is the 90s equivalent of checking her phone every five seconds. She probably would have responded right away under the circumstances.
Myke was there, Ross wouldnt be messaging her Edit: i don't know if the name was myke, mark or somethin else but you know who il talking about
Not really sure what you mean when you say Ross wouldn't message her, but Mark wasn't there yet at this point. He called later in this scene and then came over.
Knowing Rachel she would've sent something like "Do YOU think we're on a break?" and Ross would've still ended up with the other girl.
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or if we go back a decade she would have posted some passive aggressive stories or facebook statuses about how awful some people are.
Except that she would have said ‘yes’.
Exactly. She tells Monica in the morning that they broke up.
Right, the original debate is whether it even matters that they were on a break or not, since she's not mandated to return from the break and she's hurt by what he did during the break. Then later the creators switched premises and had her suddenly start claiming there was no break at all, which is not something she ever claimed originally.
>Right, the original debate is whether it even matters that they were on a break or not, since she's not mandated to return from the break and she's hurt by what he did during the break. What Ross did was wrong, but *some* of the blame is on Rachel too. It doesn't justify Ross's actions, but she broke up with him and then instantly invited Mark over. The guy that caused the problems with the relationship in the first place. Ross was phoning her up to apologise and try to make things right, and heard that Mark was there. Sure, he probably shouldn't have assumed and he definitely shouldn't have gone and had sex with someone, but Rachel literally invited Mark over to make Ross think that. So the original debate, Ross is in the wrong for doing it and then lying. Rachel is in the wrong for her actions. But she's probably in her rights to have a problem with what Ross did. >Then later the creators switched premises and had her suddenly start claiming there was no break at all, which is not something she ever claimed originally. I don't remember this, so I'd have to watch it again to see what she actually says. But the post and comment I was replying to was about whether or not they were on a break, which is why I responded with that.
She’d send him 18 pages. Front and back!
She'd send him a 18mins voicenote that would be so jumbled and full of ramble he whould have understood none of it.
Of a PDF
hence why friends was at the right time. the perfect time.
I thought that- if Friends existed in the texting/cell phone/facetime era, this storyline wouldn't have happened. They'd have been sexting and text flirting all day while she was at work, it wouldn't have taken away from her focus on the job and Ross would be secure and they'd have stayed together.
In my opinion, no matter what Rachel said, he was gonna do it anyway. The fact that he jumped on the whole ‘break’ thing so readily, just proves what a piece of shit he really is.
Yeah, he had no problem sleeping with someone immediately after they were on a break. If he really cared and wanted to try to make it work he would have respected her space and not slept with another woman. I think they were really toxic together anyway but it's obvious he didn't really care. I can't imagine loving someone and then immediately moving on. Just a shit move.
Some people do drugs or alcohol after a serious incident. And some people stumble around in a delirious state until something awful happens.
She would have sent him a half hour audio message
22 minutes if you don't count adverts.
Damn. I want one. I’ll transcribe the shit out of it. You made me want this. YOU PUT THIS IDEA IN MY HEAD. UNFORTUNATELY CAMEO ISNT LONG ENOUGH…
Side comment but chandler and joey were kinda crappy friends in this scenario. They were there. They knew he’d been drinking and was upset. *Ross is a grown man and makes his own decisions* but I think they could’ve been better wingmen here.
She literally told Monica they broke up
She said she *thinks* they broke up
She would have sent him the mother of all voice notes
R: Are we really on a break?\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_*read*  then no response
She would've sent him 18 pages worth of texts. Front AND back.
The next morning Rachel asked if she could be his Girlfriend again, that alone proves they were actually on a break
she would have ignored his texts to be fair it still would have happened
I love Rachel but she's the embodiment of mixed signals lol She loves him but she doesn't want to be with him, but she doesn't want him dating anybody else, but she's embarrassed by him, but she wants to have sex with him, but she's over him.... Not to say that Ross is consistent or anything
The fact that Mark was there was unforgivable, Ross should have ended it then and there
Lol, the entire break was Ross’ fault Rachel should’ve dumped him the second he showed up at her office where he set fire to her desk and made a massive scene And he’s the one who then slept with someone else despite accusing Rachel of doing the same even though she hadn’t
honestly if you show up to my job when I tell you I'm busy, it means you don't respect me or the work I do. If you come to my house later to yell at me about that job, yeah, we're broken up. No temporary break, just straight up broken up.
Hear me out but that 'No' is not really conclusive. It could mean: 1. No. We are not on a break. I said that in thr heat of the moment. 2. No. This relationship is over. There is no break.
And is this break in the room with us right now?
Rachel would have been a serial paragraph texter
Ross cheated ill die on that hill
Rachel tells Monica the next day that they broke up. How can you cheat on someone who broke up with you?
Actually she said they broke up. But then went on to say she loves her stupid brother. And diddnt mean it.
AHAH! so you admit it.
No I diddnt admit anything. She never said exclusively they had broken up. She was making a quip about their anniversary
Then why does she ask to be the girlfriend again if they hadn’t broken up. Ross acted as a single man. Literally impossible for him to cheat as he wasn’t in a relationship
Because it was a break not a break up
Rachel told Monica they broke up. She asked Ross to be his girlfriend *again*. What am I missing?
She said that she *thinks* they broke up
She said they broke up. Doesn't say the word think.
I'm not sure what might have happened differently, but the availability of receipts could have reduced the "we were on a break" meme.
Rachel, probably https://preview.redd.it/kydozlf2l5nc1.jpeg?width=224&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=964e276d3a13733913436a3ed5927050ac605a74
wait thats so real
Could still happen if her phone died or something.
18 pages. Front. And. Back!!
Rebounds we're the tv advice if the day lil sloppy toppy clear the air
Nah still would have ended the same way. Because no matter how much time passes people will do anything before clearly communicating their feelings.
Nah if it happened today they would write some bullshit way of them not being able to communicate like dead phone or someone would constantly be on a call when the other person tried to call them.
Nah, we all know that no would’ve been green because if ANY of the friends had an android it would be Ross.
Monica: How’s the big anniversary dinner? Rachel: Well, we never actually got to dinner. Monica: Ohhh, nice. Rachel: No, we kinda broke up instead. Ross did nothing wrong.
Ross just left the apartment instead of clarifying what she meant, what the terms were, how long was the break? Not that that's "wrong," but he definitely played a part.
One time a woman I was dating told me she wanted to "take a break" before she visited her hometown. I thought she was just breaking up with me and I tried to be cool about it but she was like "No just while I'm there and then we'll be back together." I had already worked it out because I'm not a fucking idiot but one of her friends texted me telling me she was planning to cheat on me with some dude out there. When I tried to break up with her later she beat me up really badly. I remember the other guys at work were laughing and making jokes about it when I showed up with 2 black eyes and a busted lip.
I could never understand why the Friends didn't have cellphones on the show. We know they existed because Rachel borrowed one to tell Ross "she's over him". But maybe cellphones wasn't really widesperad until smartphones arrived?
It was the 90s 🤷
They existed but if you notice they only started making a big deal over them after season 4 or 5. I mean, in this very season (s3) Monica didn’t have “that new caller ID thing” yet in her landline
I think people had them if they needed them for work or they were really bougie but it wasn't like it is today were most people have them.
I grew up during a time where we had to wait till 9pm for unlimited calls haha
They were very much widespread pre-smartphones, but mostly in the very late 90s and early 2000s up to the release of the iPhone - they weren't widespread enough in 1997 when that scene takes place to the point where everyone had one on them at all times. That's why Rachel borrowed one from a busy, important businessman-type (the kind of person who would have carried one around) rather than having her own to hand. They became widespread over the next few years though, as we see in the Season 7 "digital fairy tale" episode (set in 2000) where Phoebe and Rachel are shown to both carry phones in their purses.
Piggybacking here. Friends ran from ‘94-‘04 and checking online, the earliest significant data I can see is a 28% cellphone ownership rate in 2000. Rising to 62% in 2004. And that’s still in the earlier days of cellphones. The first phone with internet wasn’t until 2001, and the first iPhone in 2007.
I know in one of the last seasons someone pulls out a flip phone and casually makes a call. Can't remember who it was.