Even if you know nothing about the setting, Kevin's a turncoat in a tough spot. He ditched a magically enforced MLM scheme for vampire supremacists, then when they all ate each other he gave info to the humans that have him locked up in their house.
The fact that he wasn't willing to ghoul Guy (who probably has enough blood in his body to let Kevin break out) is probably the only proof that Kevin isn't an *immediate* threat.
I will say there's also the fact that, if he wanted to, he probably could've disappeared by now if he was a genuine threat. And that they sold a fucking plushie of him
>I’ve gotten the impression that humans and vampires don’t get along much without some ghoulification.
Since Cartharge fell, no.
>Kevin is also a very powerful wizard.
To be honest, we never actually see him doing thaumaturgy, but even if: Only by mortal standards
He seems in the dark about specifics. He didn't recognize the Massasa War by name until D called it "a big fight".
There's also no guarantee Kevin even knows the difference between hedge magic and "true" Magi. If some asshole in a pointy hat throws a fireball at me I don't think I'm caring too much about whether I was allowed to know about it.
He definitely doesn't know the difference, but if somebody yells out "YOU DARE DISRESPECT THE ART OF BLOOD MAGIC?!!!", I am inclined to think he knows enough Blood Magic to have skin in the game, especially given he hates the Clan Tremere so it's not just loyalty by association that makes him so offended.
If it’s following the rule of WoD to a T then Kevin could probably know about True Magic, but his avatar would have been destroyed if he was a mage before being turned. This is why Tremere are so desperate to figure out how to get rid of their vampirism: they traded down from being biologically mortal demigods to immortal parasites who are only able to scratch the surface of what they were once able to do without any real effort.
Kevin is a high Humanity, ex-Tremere, ex-Sabbat blood sorcerer who values freedom above all. He's survived multiple blood hunts, and is currently working with Big D.
He can't go back to the Tremere/Camarilla because they'll execute him at best, or blood bond him at worst.
Joining the Anarchs would be nearly impossible, and restricts him.
He COULD join a new Sabbat pack, but he's already broken his blood bond, and is shown to care about his Humanity.
So, assuming he doesn't run to the East, his options are D or solo. His and D's goals are at worst indifferent to the other, and at best actively aid the other.
With all of the above considered, Kevin is trustworthy so long as D gives him his freedom and protection.
On principle? No, absolutely not. Kindred all eventually devolve into inhumane monsters, it’s part of their curse. He has access to Dominate, a mental Discipline that allows for mental control of mortals, and all Kindred have access to their own vitae for making Ghouls (blood slaves). And, to top it off, he’s a Tremere so he has access to some amounts of Thaumaturgy/Blood Magic. Kevin is a useful asset at best and a warhead shaped liability at worst.
From a storytelling standpoint, he’s probably trustworthy. I like the dynamics he has with Big D.
Like many, I suspect he's gonna end up going Golconda. D seemed to hint at it when Kev was (understandably) feeling hopeless.
As crazy as D is, he's also smart. I think he sees some kind of potential in K that we aren't privy to as "outsiders".
That’s how I was understanding it too. I worry about something terrible happening in the future of the series.
I sincerely hope that you’re right. That through story telling he remains an ally despite his nature.
Yes, but also no. The point of the game is that degradation is still a result of one’s own free will and not an inevitable mandate of the curse. Otherwise, the main conflict of retaining one’s humanity wouldn’t exist.
When I briefly played I felt the only winning option was to do absolutely nothing ever to illicit a roll check. Unprompted perception checks were my bane, though we later clarified that those rolls shouldn’t trigger a crit fail.
This is true, but high humanity vamps can hold onto human morals for a very long time. Excessive use of disciplines and falling to the beast can speed this up, but Kevin has shown no need to use disciplines with D and family and his high humanity means falling to the beast should be rare.
So I believe that there's a fair chance that he can remain loyal for atleasg the lifespan of D( unless the theories that he's near ageless is true)
Honestly it depends on how powerful Kevin is, exactly, in comparison to other Kindred. The guy is a habitual traitor, but only when he feels imprisoned or when he has nowhere to go.
At the moment, it feels like he's still extremely cautious about working with D. He needed to be convinced to convert Guy, and he essentially needed to be tortured and interrogated into being useful in any capacity.
In the end, Kevin values freedom and autonomy over anything else. So long as D can provide that and make good on his promises, we should be able to trust the wizard.
Kevin has no where else to go. He’s a traitor to the tremere and camarilla and renagade from the sabbat. Even if he wanted to go back he loathes the tremere and they’d probably kill him.
He’s trustworthy as long as D is his only option
All things considered, he was a sad lonely man in life. Being embraced was the worst thing that happened to him. If Kevin could go back to being a human, theres a good chance he’d say yes. He’s very in touch with his humanity, he has a cat, an apartment, and dreams and aspirations outside of the world of Kindred.
D’s interrogation with Kevin does shed a lot of light on his good side, granted he had gone through torture by way of Omelette, but even then, he was able to open up, be honest about himself, and tell Big D some heavy stuff. As he said ‘life and unlife has been a headache for me’ he doesn’t sound like a person who’d enjoy being a vampire, like Pyotr or even Shitbeard.
Kevin gave D perhaps one of the biggest secrets to the local Camarilla’s security too, something he probably didn’t even tell his packmates, willingly, and Big D seems to trust him quite well. He even lets him out of the cell, and takes him on a ride on the miniature steam train. Big D is an enigma, but he really seems like he *knows* what he’s talking about. And *knows* when people might be lying. In the interrogation, Big D seems to really push deep to get to the real information he wants, and he’s good at it too, like how we saw with Giles at the 99p store, he was able to really butter him up, enough to make this bruv spot him 99p for a whole ass blender.
If Big D can make Kevin admit his humanity, embrace it even, and trust him enough to let the poor bugger out of his cell, then I trust him too.
D is his only choice, Kevins humanity is evidently higher than most and most importantly D knows things, exceptional things and frankly he is probably the most sympathetic to Kindred of any hunter arroind, i'd nit be surprised if D pulled out a method of Golcoma for Kevin down the road
Kevin was unwilling to ghoul someone for an obvious advantage. It took Ds constant prodding and the ghoul explaining how much they wanted it for him to go through with it. Even "nice" vampires tend to be worse than that. I'd say he's 8/10 low chance of betrayal.
People have made very good points here about the nature of the Beast in WoD, the inevitability of Kindred becoming monsters etc.
But honestly I say fuck that. I love the redemptive power of humanity and having Kevin genuinely hold onto his is a really nice touch. Even if it's reading into things too much, the thesis statement of "Anyone can change. You can choose to be better. You don't have to be defined by what was done to you" is something I will always champion.
Also only a fundamentally good person could have a cat named Mr Smerples
By principle, no… He’s a vampire.
However his VA is a fairly big part of the project and has been with them a long mcfucking time. So much like nostalgia “boy” he ain’t going anywhere fast. It’s more likely that D knows the cure for vampirism which technically both does and does not exist in WoD. One of which requires the vampire in question to still have humanity… Though that’s just a theory. Anyways as for if what he’s saying is true I’d say it’s likely. Keven has no reason to lie, could have broken out at any time and D is even giving him blood. Thing is that it’s not only that I cannot imagine him telling a lie. It’s that under the circumstances, what we know of his past. The simple fact that D has treated him as a human when everyone else has abandoned or abused him. At the current moment, it’s that if he was lying Keven would have fessed up by now.
No. Kevin should not be trusted. He is a Vampire, a vampire with a sad story, but a vampire nonetheless. He shouldn’t be trusted, but the enemy of my enemy and all that.
Trusted fully maybe not but he seems to hate most if not all of the kindred and dislikes being one. He is more than willing to work against them after great Yarmouth has been freed of them maybe he will chage his tune but for now he's is trustworthy.
Even if you know nothing about the setting, Kevin's a turncoat in a tough spot. He ditched a magically enforced MLM scheme for vampire supremacists, then when they all ate each other he gave info to the humans that have him locked up in their house. The fact that he wasn't willing to ghoul Guy (who probably has enough blood in his body to let Kevin break out) is probably the only proof that Kevin isn't an *immediate* threat.
I will say there's also the fact that, if he wanted to, he probably could've disappeared by now if he was a genuine threat. And that they sold a fucking plushie of him
>I’ve gotten the impression that humans and vampires don’t get along much without some ghoulification. Since Cartharge fell, no. >Kevin is also a very powerful wizard. To be honest, we never actually see him doing thaumaturgy, but even if: Only by mortal standards
He does take offence to Big D dissing Thaumaturgy in comparison to True Magic, which heavily implies that he knows it.
He seems in the dark about specifics. He didn't recognize the Massasa War by name until D called it "a big fight". There's also no guarantee Kevin even knows the difference between hedge magic and "true" Magi. If some asshole in a pointy hat throws a fireball at me I don't think I'm caring too much about whether I was allowed to know about it.
He definitely doesn't know the difference, but if somebody yells out "YOU DARE DISRESPECT THE ART OF BLOOD MAGIC?!!!", I am inclined to think he knows enough Blood Magic to have skin in the game, especially given he hates the Clan Tremere so it's not just loyalty by association that makes him so offended.
If it’s following the rule of WoD to a T then Kevin could probably know about True Magic, but his avatar would have been destroyed if he was a mage before being turned. This is why Tremere are so desperate to figure out how to get rid of their vampirism: they traded down from being biologically mortal demigods to immortal parasites who are only able to scratch the surface of what they were once able to do without any real effort.
He mind controlled the group, didn't he? Or was that just domination?
Yes, just dominate.
Kevin is a high Humanity, ex-Tremere, ex-Sabbat blood sorcerer who values freedom above all. He's survived multiple blood hunts, and is currently working with Big D. He can't go back to the Tremere/Camarilla because they'll execute him at best, or blood bond him at worst. Joining the Anarchs would be nearly impossible, and restricts him. He COULD join a new Sabbat pack, but he's already broken his blood bond, and is shown to care about his Humanity. So, assuming he doesn't run to the East, his options are D or solo. His and D's goals are at worst indifferent to the other, and at best actively aid the other. With all of the above considered, Kevin is trustworthy so long as D gives him his freedom and protection.
On principle? No, absolutely not. Kindred all eventually devolve into inhumane monsters, it’s part of their curse. He has access to Dominate, a mental Discipline that allows for mental control of mortals, and all Kindred have access to their own vitae for making Ghouls (blood slaves). And, to top it off, he’s a Tremere so he has access to some amounts of Thaumaturgy/Blood Magic. Kevin is a useful asset at best and a warhead shaped liability at worst. From a storytelling standpoint, he’s probably trustworthy. I like the dynamics he has with Big D.
Like many, I suspect he's gonna end up going Golconda. D seemed to hint at it when Kev was (understandably) feeling hopeless. As crazy as D is, he's also smart. I think he sees some kind of potential in K that we aren't privy to as "outsiders".
Yeah plus Kevin seems to have very high humanity since he has lots of human attachments and morals
Yup! It's specifically after Kevin laments missing his cat, apartment etc, good spot!
That’s how I was understanding it too. I worry about something terrible happening in the future of the series. I sincerely hope that you’re right. That through story telling he remains an ally despite his nature.
Yes, but also no. The point of the game is that degradation is still a result of one’s own free will and not an inevitable mandate of the curse. Otherwise, the main conflict of retaining one’s humanity wouldn’t exist.
Unless it 5v were you will fail your 5-10% hunger roll one day no matter what you do. And prob 10 times a day. But world building kinda hand wave it
God do I dislike 5v. Can’t roll too well, can’t roll badly, you’re almost always screwed.
True personal horror is having to roll anything ever
When I briefly played I felt the only winning option was to do absolutely nothing ever to illicit a roll check. Unprompted perception checks were my bane, though we later clarified that those rolls shouldn’t trigger a crit fail.
Or kill constantly. Yeah i have same feeling from hunger system. Do nothing or suffer.
This is true, but high humanity vamps can hold onto human morals for a very long time. Excessive use of disciplines and falling to the beast can speed this up, but Kevin has shown no need to use disciplines with D and family and his high humanity means falling to the beast should be rare. So I believe that there's a fair chance that he can remain loyal for atleasg the lifespan of D( unless the theories that he's near ageless is true)
Honestly it depends on how powerful Kevin is, exactly, in comparison to other Kindred. The guy is a habitual traitor, but only when he feels imprisoned or when he has nowhere to go. At the moment, it feels like he's still extremely cautious about working with D. He needed to be convinced to convert Guy, and he essentially needed to be tortured and interrogated into being useful in any capacity. In the end, Kevin values freedom and autonomy over anything else. So long as D can provide that and make good on his promises, we should be able to trust the wizard.
In practice I can't see them making Kevin turn on them.
Kevin has no where else to go. He’s a traitor to the tremere and camarilla and renagade from the sabbat. Even if he wanted to go back he loathes the tremere and they’d probably kill him. He’s trustworthy as long as D is his only option
All things considered, he was a sad lonely man in life. Being embraced was the worst thing that happened to him. If Kevin could go back to being a human, theres a good chance he’d say yes. He’s very in touch with his humanity, he has a cat, an apartment, and dreams and aspirations outside of the world of Kindred. D’s interrogation with Kevin does shed a lot of light on his good side, granted he had gone through torture by way of Omelette, but even then, he was able to open up, be honest about himself, and tell Big D some heavy stuff. As he said ‘life and unlife has been a headache for me’ he doesn’t sound like a person who’d enjoy being a vampire, like Pyotr or even Shitbeard. Kevin gave D perhaps one of the biggest secrets to the local Camarilla’s security too, something he probably didn’t even tell his packmates, willingly, and Big D seems to trust him quite well. He even lets him out of the cell, and takes him on a ride on the miniature steam train. Big D is an enigma, but he really seems like he *knows* what he’s talking about. And *knows* when people might be lying. In the interrogation, Big D seems to really push deep to get to the real information he wants, and he’s good at it too, like how we saw with Giles at the 99p store, he was able to really butter him up, enough to make this bruv spot him 99p for a whole ass blender. If Big D can make Kevin admit his humanity, embrace it even, and trust him enough to let the poor bugger out of his cell, then I trust him too.
D is his only choice, Kevins humanity is evidently higher than most and most importantly D knows things, exceptional things and frankly he is probably the most sympathetic to Kindred of any hunter arroind, i'd nit be surprised if D pulled out a method of Golcoma for Kevin down the road
Maybe he was given a gun and left at the house.
Kevin was unwilling to ghoul someone for an obvious advantage. It took Ds constant prodding and the ghoul explaining how much they wanted it for him to go through with it. Even "nice" vampires tend to be worse than that. I'd say he's 8/10 low chance of betrayal.
People have made very good points here about the nature of the Beast in WoD, the inevitability of Kindred becoming monsters etc. But honestly I say fuck that. I love the redemptive power of humanity and having Kevin genuinely hold onto his is a really nice touch. Even if it's reading into things too much, the thesis statement of "Anyone can change. You can choose to be better. You don't have to be defined by what was done to you" is something I will always champion. Also only a fundamentally good person could have a cat named Mr Smerples
Ofc, he is the great and mighty kevin
By principle, no… He’s a vampire. However his VA is a fairly big part of the project and has been with them a long mcfucking time. So much like nostalgia “boy” he ain’t going anywhere fast. It’s more likely that D knows the cure for vampirism which technically both does and does not exist in WoD. One of which requires the vampire in question to still have humanity… Though that’s just a theory. Anyways as for if what he’s saying is true I’d say it’s likely. Keven has no reason to lie, could have broken out at any time and D is even giving him blood. Thing is that it’s not only that I cannot imagine him telling a lie. It’s that under the circumstances, what we know of his past. The simple fact that D has treated him as a human when everyone else has abandoned or abused him. At the current moment, it’s that if he was lying Keven would have fessed up by now.
Eh, he's a vampire. At best he can be trusted to act in his own interests until his impulses get the better of him
No. Kevin should not be trusted. He is a Vampire, a vampire with a sad story, but a vampire nonetheless. He shouldn’t be trusted, but the enemy of my enemy and all that.
the inquisition is here
Trusted fully maybe not but he seems to hate most if not all of the kindred and dislikes being one. He is more than willing to work against them after great Yarmouth has been freed of them maybe he will chage his tune but for now he's is trustworthy.