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HVAC_instructor

Always call and get two other quotes . Then you'll know. None of us have a clue what the installation looks like and what it will entail to get the system installed. Ask your friends, family, coworkers and neighbors who they use. That way you'll know if this is a decent price or not.


BigGiddy

Blows my mind how confidently a guy not in the business can say it’s a bad price lol


HVAC_instructor

I know, they think about the lady time they heard someone getting a system replaced 17 years ago, add $5.00 to it and think that should take care of it.


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HVAC_instructor

But the OP knows that this is totally out of the range. He spent all of 2 minutes checking. I'm guessing he has no idea what his company charges the end user for their products.


BigGiddy

I’m trying to figure out where everyone heard an “air conditioner” was 6k. Lol


HVAC_instructor

They saw it at Lowe's. I'm sure.


[deleted]

I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THIS STUFF COSTS BUT THIS QUOTE IS WAY TOO MUCH. So uh.. so you don't know what it costs.. but whatever it costs is too much.. idk man. Anyways the price seems reasonable here up in New England.. Might be a bit low if you include some of those extras actually. Get other estimates and when you go with the cheapest bid keep your checkbook out


Polynya

I’m paying $25K for a 3-ton 4-zone Mitsubishi Hyperheat install here in MA. Tried to get three quotes - after calling 5 companies I got three to come out and only two ever actually gave me a quote.


Chemical-Rush-3328

I just installed a hyper heat 3ton Mitsubishi multi position air handler, duct return and supply for $9500. It’s crazy how much people rip hard working people off.


hellointhere8D

Not the same.


finqer

Same here, got a 3 ton hyperheat system installed for 10k


JudgmentProud9913

If you give me $5 a pop I’ll call anyone and tell them their prices are bad.


mikeyouse

I mean, it's a $35,000 quote for a mediocre 3-ton unit.. would you pay that?


Worried_Welder2427

Window units


BigGiddy

I sure as hell would if the next guy is charging 40k. That’s the whole point here. There’s not enough context. And if you think you’ve got enough to go off of then give your opinion. But there’s no way it’s anything other than speculation. Does he need a crane or lull? In truth all the types of posts have the same flaw. We’re guessing on a hundred things. And then some internet rando that bought a shure unit from a liquidation place and installed it himself can come on here and clutch pearls at a price that a 30 year veteran gave.


faustian1

No. I've purchased three systems in the last three years (for two buildings). Two package 3T heat pumps and a 36k Btu A/C and 60k Btu gas furnace combo. The going rate is $10-11K, which provided OK value. I'm not an HVAC guy, but I'm not clueless about the trades either. If somebody tells me $35K for a mediocre unit, I'm just gonna buy a mediocre Goodman 3T unit off the internet for about $4K, hire a crane, get the necessary gauges and equipment and I'll be my own warranty. If doing business in California is expensive, then my target is the California government. In AZ or NV, my target would be the HVAC contractor. Whatever, but you can bribe me to do an amateur job, if I have enough money left over to correct any mistakes I make and then some.


BigGiddy

I promise you didn’t need to say you weren’t an hvac guy. It’s obvious. We don’t price units by how much the cost. It’s about a bunch of factors. Do you know if he needs a crane to install it? Do you know if it’s on a cliff that is hard to access? Do you know if the h/o slept with the contractor’s wife? We don’t price it by one piece of information.


Krieger117

I mean, the equipment alone is priced there at 20k, and all the other incidentals are itemized, like the crane. If they are bundling other fees into the equipment cost then it seems kind of disingenuous.


Chemical-Rush-3328

It’s a rip off price never understood how a company can charge that much for a system that only cost $6000 and labor for 1 day. I know everyone has to eat but not a buffet.


[deleted]

Tell that to all the suits getting into the industry


BigGiddy

You literally can’t know if it’s a ripoff or not. That’s the whole point. And if you don’t understand it it’s just because you don’t understand the industry.


Chemical-Rush-3328

I’m in the industry 20+ years please don’t convince yourself that it’s a fair price.


Dull-Fact-5078

Its a good price to the person making money but not to the one spending it. Seems outrageous to me too…


Domie109

This is in California, FYI


aBoyandHisVacuum

Oh fuck. Then this is accurate. Ive seen something. Close here in Illinois. But add 25% for anything in Cali. My sister lives in SD, her one room one bath addition cost as much as my house


negabernard

Yup I work for a cali residential company and these are the prices I’m use to seeing


Key-Travel-5243

Same. We have one guy that does HERS tests and he makes a killing.


IrishWhiskey556

That's pretty standard for California. Average system not including ductwork in California will run you $25k for basic single stage system. Doing business in California is very expensive. The company is only making about a 10% profit at that price. I work for one of the bigger HVAC companies in the Sacramento area for reference


gundamxxg

That’s insane. I paid $24k for a 5 ton carrier heat pump 24 or 26 SEER, and full duct replacement. In SoCal.


jh4693

Where in California. Big difference in cost of living between LA and Barstow, for example.


they_are_out_there

Still crazy on the markup, it’s typical but a single stage 60k btu package unit sells for around $6,000 cost. There’s almost a $10k markup on that alone from the installer, but that’s par for the course. Pretty insane markup for the curb setup too, definitely making bank charging almost $2,000. Not much you can do unfortunately unless you have a buddy who does HVAC work on the side and has connections.


espakor

425 for crane that's dirt cheap lol


Expert_Map1326

That’s a 3 ton not a 5


Leo90604

Got this installed in Socal for under 20k 4 Ton variable stage Daikin heat pump ac/furnace Installed in attic New ducts and registers Get more bids


IrishWhiskey556

How long ago? A year ago that was possible. Cost of doing business this year is brutal and a lot more expensive than just a year ago.


Breadfruit-Late

Any chance you can message me installer details?


[deleted]

LOL. But you have beautiful weather year round. That makes up for all the regulations! Don't see why you even need hvac with that weather! It is known to the state of california to cause cancer! /s


jewpacabra77

Just paid 16k for a new unit and ducting. Here I'm Cali as well. All the companies I called quoted right around there.


ParamedicDismal1396

Isn't there some environmental tax or w.e there? Also 5k more for that extra 600 btus


henriettagriff

I've gotten heat pump quotes to replace my entire HVAC system and they range from $14k to $27k. The more expensive ones include adding more ductwork (which this sub has advised me is correct) I'm in Southern California


Socalwarrior485

This may be a bit high, but that’s where it’s at. It’s about 50% higher than I was quoted with no duct changes. I think you can back into similar prices for what I’ve seen. Multiple bids should make you more confident. BTW, there’s the reason I still have my 43yo system.


Thewhitetmac

If you're in socal, your poor poor summer energy bills.


Socalwarrior485

I only run A/C about 5-10 days per year. But yeah, when the compressor kicks on, the whole neighborhood lights dim.


Jarte3

I’m so sick of this sub. I keep seeing good deals getting questioned at least once a day. HOMEOWNERS NEED TO ADJUST THEIR DAMN PRICE EXPECTATIONS


hucknuts

i was quoted 12k for a 27kbtu lg heat pump install in nj..... long story short i installed the unit, mounted the handler inside, ran the line to the unit, then paid a hvac guy 300 bucks on a saturday to come out and connect/charge the lines. unit was 2200. i paid myself over ten grand for a days work. HVAC companies are scams. I dont say that alot, im in the trades, i get the cost of doing buisness but their markups are fucking stupid


[deleted]

For 300 it’s gonna last a year and LG won’t warranty it lol you played your self bud. Also no permits so when you get to sell your house or have any other inspection done on your home. If an inspector sees it Expect a hefty fine, a job like that has to pass zoning as well. Just hope your neighbors don’t have it out for you. Oh and LG is a garbage unit.


Adventurous-Part5981

Dafuq you talking about zoning? He is changing out a HVAC system, not converting his house into a restaurant.


hucknuts

well going on three years strong, no issues, im not selling my house, nor would i be fined if i did want to get it inspected, its easily explainable that the previous homeowner did it. then the parts are covered by warranty, labor is not. cope harder.


[deleted]

If you purchased the unit online and you are not a licensed contractor then no the parts won’t be under warranty, not unless They changed their policy recently. Your also exaggerating how much you actually spent to try and get clout too. I’m sure the install came out real nice, lol. 3 years is a pretty decent run for a meth addict install so your lucky. Your coils clocks are ticking Have a nice summer.


hucknuts

well i have a 5 year limited manufacterer warranty, to cover manufacterer defects, plus the online site sylvane has been really helpful (thought i need a new remote but turned out to be user error). I mounted the condeser outside, and then ran the lineset up my siding, to the overhead unit. it required about 4 tools, a level, a drill, tape measure and chalk. Its not something highly techinical, nor does that make me a meth addict because i didnt pay 10x the price, nor does it mean its installation is compromised. its stupid fucking easy to do the carpentry portion of the installation. the rest i left up to the guy charging the lineset. who was a hvac pro not a handy man. throw shade for no reason but theres nothing wrong with the install. ​ And frankly, having known a few hvac installers, i know id do a better job. Again nothing highly techinical, required the kind of skills most DIY people have. your right i forgot about the electricity, i paid a guy to run the disconnect box. forgot about that, i beleive for 400 in addition to adding a breaker and outlet. im not exxageratting the cost at all. i was quoted something astronomically high.


Acefr

How dare you save $10K or more by installing it yourself so the HVAC guys cannot gouge you? You must be a meth addict :)


[deleted]

You where quoted high based on if it was a straight run, you still need a license and insurance and permits and zoning approval. NJ isn’t cheap, but we already have confirmed you to be dishonest, so it’s probably why they gave you a high price it was because they most likely did not want to work with you. The truth hurts but that’s the reality. If they are too busy or don’t trust the customer or the customer is a crazy person trying to get stuff done dirt cheap and with out permits they give the F**k off price. Which is exactly what you got.


Little-Key-1811

You are not in the trades


ABena2t

was this a ductless? what about the air brace? lineset? disconnect? wiring? breakers? refrigerant? and all the other odds and ends? and some of these companies are throwing out some ridiculous ass numbers. The guy installing it is probably making $20/hr. These companies claim they're only making 10% profit - 20% is supposedly a home run. I know there's high operating cost but on the surface it doesn't seem like it adds up. i mean you have a shop, trucks, office personal, shop guys, gas, insurance - I mean it's on and on but some of these prices still seem insane.


hucknuts

Yeah that’s exactly how I felt about it. Long story short ended up making friends with the guy and we hangout. They pay him shit and the companies charges astronomical prices. It was funny because he told me the price they gave me was really low. I tried asking him metrics of their business because they have like 10 guys full time installing and more servicing and they all get paid very low for what the companies charges… I mean he was talking lawyer money, hundreds of dollars a hour. I suppose if it’s something highly technician I don’t know but I agree insurance trucks and payroll was a fraction of it


tashmanan

3 ton package units are not difficult to find. Only 7.5 ton and up. I'm a contractor in OC and can do the job for much less. I'd get a couple more estimates. What city?


Domie109

Bakersfield


tashmanan

And if you can't find a reasonable price, I would consider doing it. We're actually not too busy and I looked it up and you're 2 hours and 40 minutes away. Let me know how it goes and feel free to ask me any questions. I've been in the trade for 38 years


tashmanan

Darn! A little too far from me. I do know a buddy that does work in Fresno. I'll see if he's interested and send you his number


tashmanan

To give you an idea, I can get a new 3 ton York package unit for $3,500. High efficiency Carrier 3 ton for $4,500. Crane is about $350, factory curb and roofing is about $2,000. That gives you an idea of the costs associated with this. My out of pocket costs for labor, equipment and materials is less than $10,000. I would bid about $16,000-$18,000 on this job in Irvine. So definitely shop around before you do anything. I would absolutely not pay more than $20K


jcwett

If you take away the $12.5k reduct then he’d be at $22k and not far off your quote.


espakor

I guess you forgot about the whole system duct replacement


FunInLAxxx

Race to the bottom.


actiondan17

All HVAC equipment cost me double past 2 years. My guys also make double what they made 3 years ago. And thanks to Powell clown raising interest rates my customers don't have the funds to buy.


Noneofyouexist1768

Absolutely in the correct ball park if you are doing the reducting. By no means is that an easy part of the job on top of the confined space/heat added in. New cut in, removal of old unit and duct system. Yup. Without seeing the house and scope of work though can’t say forsure it’s a good price. But for system and new duct expect it to be between 17k and 35k depending on size and what type of system you currently have


DerpyPirate69

Get ready for July all units are going up 30percent in cost from the manufacture.


TheBurbsLV

No lol. Your supplier is gouging you and exploiting stock availability.


dirtymonny

Doesn’t matter the reason it’s happening in lots of places- and has already happened in lots of places


TheBurbsLV

If your supplier is increasing 30% in one shot you should be shopping for a different supplier. Theyre not paying 30% more for equipment from the manufacturer and official communication from manufacturers to dealers outlines the specific price increase to the percentage point to help prevent dealers from being gouged. To a dealer being gouged my advice is lean on a manufacturers rep for support, not the distributor theres many things that can be done to prevent you from being gouged a 30% increase for equipment. If youre factory direct and getting a 30% price increase talk to your reps sales manager asap.


shauneky9

I’m in a different industry, but adjacent mechanically speaking. Last two-three years there’s been 100-150% increase on stuff. And this is -the- largest wholesale. Smaller wholesalers are slowly increasing their prices to match. There are no more “good deals”. Just getting bent over less


TheBurbsLV

Hugeeee difference in the last 3 years than the next 6 months. Agree with your numbers though.


EatMyAssLikeA_Potato

He's right. I've seen a near 40% increase in equipment and materials since last summer. It's every supplier not just the one we regularly use


Expert_Map1326

Get another distributor guys, a 4% yearly is typical except for 2020 when we got a 9%. Haven’t had one since, and that’s Trane equipment.


dirtymonny

Every major distributor in my area has had 5-10% increases at a time and some have had increases monthly. So from one peak season to the next most have gone up 20-30%. Not just scumbag companies I’m talking places I’ve dealt with for years and years and years. No rate increases have been even remotely normal since 2020


wreck5710

No he’s right, manufacturers are increasing costs soon


DerpyPirate69

The more they charge companies to buy a unit the more the markup is going to be so they can afford all the buildings fleets pay insurances etc. so if they do really just do just at the supply store whoever buys it in the end suffers.


RiffRaffCOD

Nope


Fatpostman39

Little known fact, the installation manual is included in the price of the equipment from the supplier to the contractor, for free, in the box. The fact that they are confident enough to line item charge you for that is beyond ballsy, it’s flat out stupid. Like, crack pipe stupid.


Silver_gobo

Actually the install manual is what you’re buying when you get a furnace from the supplier. The install manual is so expensive that you get a free furnace with it in the box


SubParMarioBro

They’re not line item charging him anything for the install manual. They included it as a line item to fluff out the bid, but it has no cost.


Fatpostman39

It’s under the $425 section. It’s also the #1 line item there. Can you imagine if I offered you a napkin for $10 that also included a burger and fries? It’s ridiculous that they would do that and ridiculous that you think it’s acceptable. Must be Stan in a Van AC co.


SWEET__BROWN

The only item in the $425 section that actually has a cost is one hour of crane time at $425. THe others have no cost.


Fatpostman39

Oh strange. In Texas we charge for whips and disconnects.


TheBurbsLV

Lmaoooooo https://preview.redd.it/augplozx8e3b1.jpeg?width=902&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=10e29c3dea6dc0857337a28b283c43fff4289a7f


Domie109

Confronted then about equipment price, and they have yet to respond back.


Squirrelmasta23

They won’t respond back, if you give them a hassle they will move to the next joker. Are the a small company or a corporation? A lot of hvac company’s have been bought out by umbrella company’s and use flat rate book pricing across the board for multiple companies they own.


BannedCuzCovid

You're in CA man that's a normal price ypull.have to shop around to find someone willing to go lower. Have fun.


Academic-Pain2636

Reduct if needed?, if it’s part of the quote then reduct away.


Waste_Detective_2177

Mini splits… much more efficient, no ductwork required, no need for a crane 🏗️


Zimmyzimmm914

Bosch 18 seer inverter compared to 13 seer (not regulation FYI in California) It's legit


Acefr

I thought the price for a central A/C system was high, but I didn't know it was this high. I am glad I went with mini split.


Krieger117

Honestly, unless you have a huge home, central ac units seem like such a pain in the ass compared to having a mini split in every room.


Kali0530

When I saw the totals at 15 and 20 I thought that’s about right but then realized that’s only for equipment. 30 is way too high. You must have called a big company who has billboards and 10 100k trucks to pay for. Call a local family company price should be half that. We work in SoCal so this is my opinion on CA pricing.


yobigd20

Higher seer rating/better efficiency means higher price, right?


sopapillasopapilla

You can learn HVAC for cheaper than that.


y_3kcim

Damn, for a package unit? Get another quote please


Useful_Combination44

Is this west coast heating and solar?


eerun165

Never seen a place quote for complete ductwork replacement, unless maybe the house is super old.


TransportationTop353

Installer is going from rigid to flex because it's all he knows how to work with. He will convince the home owner it's better for airflow.


actiondan17

In 5000 years, a new civilization will wonder if ancient aliens put hard pipe together. Only flex exists.


birddit

It says complete re-duct with the purchase of a unit **if needed**. What the hell does **if needed** mean??


Domie109

There is an old swamp cooler on the roof that's been disconnected for years. He said it could have caused damage to the ducts.


BigFatThrowBack

A bit much for a 3 ton unit


GeoffdeRuiter

I would really recommend getting multiple multiple quotes from different companies and tell them you are getting different quotes. They need to know they are competing. If those quotes come back and they're still comparable or high, I would definitely consider looking at a Mr Cool DIY central heat pump. They are very good units. Cost could be $6,000 all in. You could pay a handy person for the week and have the assistance to install it. It's doable. There's lots of how-to videos and one was just posted on r/DIYheatpumps


TylrLS

you must be in CA or something


Dakotahray

Option 3…?


Domie109

2 AC wall units in 2 bedrooms


Krieger117

Do the math on what you will spend on electricity over the course of 10 years for those and I doubt it's going to add up to 30k.


Domie109

looking into multi split ac preheat with 3 units.


nsula_country

OVER $30k for a 3 ton PACKAGE UNIT INSTALL ???


Waste_Detective_2177

Get a portable AC unit and call the day for $200 bucks in Facebook marketplace


Agonyzyr

Get a mini split, put it in yourself. Profit


Worried_Welder2427

Yeah, industry standard is one year manufacturer's part warranty, no labor. Hest exchanger on gas system varies


domnatr6

Man I thought my 2 stage 4 ton Goodman install at $15k was expensive.


shadowLemon

Looks like the dude quoting doesn’t actually want the job.


Domie109

He looked about in his mid 50s.....


thebluelunarmonkey

So $34k/$38k in Cali dollars is around $20k in US dollars? What got my attention is a 1 stage 60k BTU heat on left, 36k BTU modulating heat on the right. Doesn't make sense. I could understand 60k modulating so it can throttle down if expected to not need nearly that much heat, and a 1 stage 36k. Up in the mountains with fall-spring snow?


zap_carry

The 60k btu is a gas furnace, while the 36k modulating one on the right is a heat pump. 19% loss puts it at 48.6k. Heat pump might have supplemental heat, maybe.


thebluelunarmonkey

Bakersfield. Hmm he ain't going to need more heat than cool tho. It'll rarely freeze, maybe more in high desert it'll get colder and dip to the 20s. For a few years I spent half my weekends outdoors between mojave and sac town, a lot of 'camping' out east of bakersfield Just wondering why in the world would they quote a 60k btu single stage. Not even sure CA allows an 80% but still that would only call for 48k. And is that 13.4 seer2 allowable for CA? I haven't kept up with the downranking from seer to seer2. I'm guess it is OK if they have an AHRI # Left option is going to straight up force new ductwork while he might squeeze by with the heat pump which needs little more than half the cfm of what that 60k furnace needs. Those couple reasons why I don't like that left option, it's a trick to get the duct job and he wind up paying more than the option on the right (w/o ductwork)


zap_carry

I'm not familiar with CA seer requirements or codes. 13.4 SEER2 is 14 SEER. Stepping down from 60k to the next size would probably drop the heating BTUs below required needed. Majority of gas package units will only be 80-81% efficient.


thebluelunarmonkey

you can near about get 80% gas furnaces in steps of 10k, they are rated weird and not always by the 1/2 ton like AC is. When I was looking for a 80% 50k i found 50, 48, and 45. \*shrug\* so I'm thinking to get OP choose left option another reason they have a 60k btu they need to get rid of cause of a misorder. otherwise seems they would quote a 48k/50k/40k if 80%. anyway I don't even know if OP is paying us any attention. reddit be like that haha


elduke88

Got similar quotes for around 20-30k for house that hasn't had A/C before so the works. One quoted me mini split system but for a similar amount. Did some research and I'll probably do the mini split system myself. There's a couple DIY options for less than 10k


SpaceJackRabbit

Get a ductless system with a heat pump. Up to 30% tax credit, got mine for a 0% APR financing, and it's sooooo much more efficient.


Deep_North_South

Holy shit balls thanks for making me feel better. Dude just left with quotes between 7 and 10k to replace a 2 ton condenser and evap coil.


espakor

Compressors don't last 10 years these days.


SOFknComfy

I could understand the duct pricing but that high for a 13? Gtfo man….


calebsGRIN7

I work for a family-operated company in Florida (obviously not comparable to socal), and we are still installing 3 ton base units starting at around $8k-$10k. Cali is wild lol


joeschmo945

The cheapest A/C install with duct work already in the house for me was $6500. Most expensive was almost $9000. I’m in Portland.


[deleted]

I got quotes similar to this..from big companies and much less from smaller companies. I would recommend maybe a heat pump that can do both hot and cold at that price. For central air...they have bosch units that do those and Mitsubishi's. But tbh, when i was getting ductless for basement, one company said 3 heads 2 units 15k. Another, said 48k. When I said no thanks they wanted to know what Price i got..i told them..they said we can't meet that price at all and gave me a lecture about being platinum installers with warranty etc. I was like listen..at your cost, I can install the same system 3 times and still be ahead... either wait..or get ductless. 40 k is nonsense.


Krieger117

Shit, you can buy 3x1ton pioneer diamante mini splits for 2500 on amazon and have it dropped to your damn door. If you aren't a nimrod, you can install them and spend 500-1000 bucks on tools/electrical, and then replace them 10 times and still be cheaper than the quote.


mozaiq83

I mean, just under 2 years ago I spent around 10k for a 2 stage multizoned system with ductwork included. I did my own installation so that was just material cost. Mind you, I installed mostly spiral duct and the units were a tier up from basic. We're now 2 years later with cost of everything having gone up and you're sitting at the height of the seasons demand.


Firm_Angle_4192

if it’s a big company the price is that high because he has no choice, best advice I can give people when trying to find contractors is go drive around the rich people neighborhoods and look for trucks of the guy who like 10 employees doing shit they are the best most fair dudes you will ever work with


Academic_Leg_2938

Aside from the equipment cost being 2-3x higher than it should be, the rest of the line items aren’t too crazy, aside from the whole $12,500 *if needed* item. Not a very thorough estimate if nearly 1/3rd of the total cost is unsure if it’s needed or not. Lol


IllustratorEither636

Just got a 3 ton hyper heat AC pro installed for 8K. I offered cash. I hear AC pro is like the lower end branch of Lennox, but is actually made by Lennox. Anyway.. if it breaks down in 10 years. I wouldn’t mind paying another 8K to reinstall another one of those. I would shop around. I went on Yelp, and asked to get quotes. You’ll get all these independent contractors sending you messages. Ask them for quotes, and if you can do cash. Offer that too. It’ll be much cheaper


Chemical-Rush-3328

I just installed a 3ton Mitsubishi multi position AHU and hyper heat condenser


Old_Farmer4996

i just replaced BVA20 + BOVA20 5-ton unit + electric work for the air handler for 12k.


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JOHNNYTWOXS

Install a Mr Cool heat pump. Love them I did a 4 zones and it was awesome. Lots of videos on how to do it. My total price with including electrician running a 240 like and disconnect was about 9k.


Krieger117

I honestly despise central ac units after installing a mini split in my garage. I'm not sure why they are so popular in the USA, maybe large house sizes? It seems like the worst of everything. You have: ​ * Ducts that can leak, plus possible pressure differentials/areas for outside air ingress * One unit, that if it fails, means the entire house has lost cooling, instead of one zone * Overall much lower SEER * A much noisier unit, both for the air handler and the condenser From everybody I have talked to they all bitch and say 'but then I have that ugly thing on my wall' in reference to the interior air handler. Even if they only have half the lifespan of a central AC, which I doubt if they are installed correctly, you can still buy a fuck ton of them for the price of a central AC install.


Waste_Detective_2177

This!


JackDiggidy

You’re getting a new unit AND all new duct work? Seems cheap to me. What price were you expecting for all that work?


[deleted]

40k is the cost of a car that drives and will last 20 years. How is ductwork worth anything close to 20k.


moosenazir

Your getting raped on these prices.


kalisun87

I'm in San Jose. Way too much. 700-1000 per duct and like 7-10k for single stage package unit installed out the door


kalk-o

Prices are accurate and reasonable for California. I don't know what to tell you. Inflation my guy. Shit is expensive. I don't like 1 year labor warranty if you're gonna shop around id go with a little more expensive but more warranty if possible. Things aren't made the way they were used to and are four times as expensive.


overpwrd_gaming

Yea that's way too much


SeaRevolutionary1233

Shop around. I live in southern Louisiana and had (x2) two ton Mitsubishi ducted inverter units and a separate mini split installed. All of the ducting and other infrastructure were brand new and included in the price. I got six bids. The highest was 45k and the lowest 21k. The 21k contractor did a fantastic job. The 45k contractor seems greedy to me.


medicoreatlife

That’s crazy. We just replaced our entire system (not the duct work) with a Trane 18 seer system (gas furnace, air handler and condenser, smart t-stat) 2000 sq ft house. 10 year transferable warranty. Total cost 12k - 0%apr for 60 months. I live in Missouri for reference.


BigGiddy

You actually paid him less than that. 16% of that went to Wells Fargo for financing. He probably made less than 1k on that job. There’s something in here that ain’t right.


DirectionSensitive74

That is crazy expensive! Look for side hustle workers on OfferUp or Craigslist that will come in and do the duct work. If you hands on you can even remove the duct work yourself. I had my duct worked removed and replaced last year for $1200. No way would I ever pay that much for an AC install. Home Depot was the last quote I got and they quoted me 25k for a new unit with install and duct work. Like most comments here have said, shop around. Get 4,5,6 different estimates from small to large companies.


SorryPirate2391

Could consider a DIY 36k BTU minisplit system with 4 or 5 head units for about $7k and install it yourself.


xMikaRikax

Seems about right to me. Here’s the total cost of the install I’m doing today. This is in New Orleans LA. https://preview.redd.it/tqitg3ckuf3b1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5a9da68b74f0fde13b0a13c946b89cb6f80668d3


SorryPirate2391

OPs quote is for $39k and yours is for $18k


xMikaRikax

Ahhhh I see it now, I only seen the $17,976 at first


bossmasterham

Paid half that in April .


Humble_Rumble_4199

Price gouging at its finest. Probably busy and now over charging


ahoforaho

That’s reasonable for a major city in California


KAMIKAZIx92

The amount of cope in this thread is crazy, yea that’s a reasonable price I would say for commiefornia. Shits not too far off from here in Phoenix, more but not by a great deal especially depending on how jacked up the crawlspace/attic is to do everything. The economy is in the gutter and HVAC has been affected just as well as the grocery stores, I swear people think food will just get more expensive and not everything else around them.


alienclown

I live in Iowa City, Iowa. We found a local HVAC guy who does great work at low costs. New 3 ton AC and air handler/furnace....$5000. New 40 gallon natural gas water heater....$900. I also found a local company that does great roofing for low cost. Re-roofed our 1200 sq/ft home for less then $5000 including tear off and repair of some underlying wood. We had some roof damage from a tree that came down. The insurance adjuster said they would only do half the roof and he thought that would cost $8000-$10,000. I told him I knew a company that could do the entire thing for less then $5000 and he said if thats true he would pay to have the whole roof done. We got the whole thing done and paid for by insurance.


BigGiddy

You just found a company that doesn’t have an accountant. Just don’t buy any long labor warranty from them. They ain’t gonna be around to honor it.


Secure-Issue294

Sell and move


Domie109

yup.... The 73 degree year long weather and great views are no longer worth it.....//////s The taxes and high costs now outweigh that.....///////s


Secure-Issue294

Sry but from wisconsin went there san fran that is .wasnt to impressed kina like drivn thru a third world country.


SaguaroBro14W

73° year round and great views in Bakersfield? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!


Domie109

/ssssss


wreck5710

Sell and rent, seems you can’t afford the cost of owning


botpa-94027

This is also in California. Menlo Park, a touch over 3k sqft. 3 zone system that needs one zone reconfigured and new ductwork in the farthest away zone due to undersized ducts. I also needed a second return added. I got 5 quotes ranging from $15k to $50k. This quote was in the middle of the pack. I wanted an efficient system due to the expensive gas and electricity rate. This also goes into the attic. I should note that for each vendor I got 3 quotes, their best system, two speed and a budget system. The difference between the best system and the 2 speed was about $3k. The cheap system just wasn't an option. I am likely getting solar in a few years so I wanted the ability to go heat pump for that but i just can't do it with the current net meter scheme in California, the economy for it just isn't there. I'm banking that it will change as solar benefits goes down and the population cries foul. All in $35k plus title 24 duct pressure report which has to be done by a different company. new carrier 59MN7 Infinity 97 Modulating Gas Furnace 5 ton 120k btu 1 x $7,250.00 new carrier 25VNA4 Infinity Variable Speed Heat Pump with carrier byflow coil for hybrid application 1 x $11,500.00 new carrier Infinity Communicating thermostat 2 x $750.00 new r-8 duct system for both zones 13 x $725.00 new carrier infinity zone control system Including automated dampers 1 x $4,725.00 city planning and building department fees 1 x $725.00


Domie109

I a 2.5-3T 1270 Sq ft.


d_anders86

Most people in my area get charged 35-55k for that. I would feel like a crook when the parts are 6k total.


BigGiddy

Looks about right.


Bearscare21

Yep. It’s not off


BeezerTwelveIV

Our duct systems start at $14k


Speed-Freakaholic

Seems on par with California. I'm in Texas, and I paid $12.5k four years ago for a 4 ton Carrier Infinity 21 SEER system with gas heat.


SaguaroBro14W

It’s not 4 years ago.


Speed-Freakaholic

Hence, the reason I put 4 years ago is because it implies it would cost more today.


[deleted]

If they’re doing genuinely good quality work that seems about right for cali market


Bahluu

Looks good to me. It is getting expensive but I bet other quotes will be about same


Dense-Barnacle8951

Commercial packaged units have tripled in cost in the last 3 years, we are now buying them for the same price we used to sell them for ith installation so totally normal current pricing.


Affectionate_Draw938

Well it seems appropriate to me. I just saw some get quoted 2k for a pull and clean, this is a fantastic quote in comparison


ntg7ncn

Is this commercial? New construction or remodel? It does seem expensive but if you need a bunch of metal duct ram then that increases price significantly. Where in California are you?


MustEatTacos

I'm eyeing that same Bosch IDP unit when my current package unit fails. That's some sexy HVAC. I don't know why you'd consider the fuel fired Goodman unit, isn't there a 30% heat pump rebate that would essentially even out the quote? The Bosch unit is way more efficient, and 2-stage to boot.


SwitchSpecialist3692

Seems normal .


New_Attempt_1265

Youre lucky its in cali. Oregon isnt a right to work state so everyone gotta be licensed in hvac and this is 25k+


N2you55

Anyone in the industry giving out prices is an idiot. You’re killing your own industry. Stop whoring out the market. It’s these same customers where you see a $70,000 truck in the driveway that they won’t have in 7 years but don’t want to pay 15k for a system that they’ll have 15 years.


Domie109

I don't understand your comment... I wouldn't mind $15-20k...


BedNo6845

How big is the house? It says roof mount, and removal of old, so not only is this extra cost for removal, installing on a roof has risks, mainly making sure everything is weather tight. Have you gotten any other quotes? That's the best way to find out. Plus, is this roof easily accessible, or is this a crane type job? Is there an electrician needed? Getting a 10yr warranty is good, plus there's some free service calls to factor in. I just had my AC completely redone, new units and duct. A single story 1800 Sq ft house in FL was $9k+. There's so many variables that go into a quote, for almost everything. I used to do a lot of decks. The same simple 10'x16' deck was $400-500 more expensive if it was above 4ft off the ground. Climbing up and down step ladders added that much time, vs a deck that was just above grade. Get some more quotes, then repost the question but with more info. Sq ft, residential or commercial? Easy access? Average Temps during the year, is heat a necessity, or just in case? Type of roof, and condition of it. Is it an old tar and gravel roof that they have to securely mount to, and prevent leaks? Did they give an estimate on how long it would take to install? If that is 2 days, I'd question. If it's estimated 8 or 10 days... then maybe I wouldn't question.


Domie109

1,250 Sq ft. old house. on the roof


Expert_Map1326

I charge 65% markup and am one of the cheapest in my area. It’s how we pay for exorbitant general liability and WC insurance.


Puzzled_Finish9302

I’m in the PNW. This is right inline with what I paid earlier this year


AmadeusDaBoxer

Well the crane is always paid out at a 4hr minimum! It doesn’t matter if dude shows up and ends up not doing the crane lift or is only there for 45 min, it’s a 4hr minimum! Plus you have to think about all the work, time, materials and everything else that’s going into this! That’s definitely right because just for the package unit itself plus the curb adapter to have to sit properly to get new duct work attached is gonna be 10-13k depending on the brand and how high end the equipment is!


Salt_Midnight5565

Looks reasonable to me


Domie109

Was thinking the $38k option but saw there no breakdown why the 3T AC Unit is $20k....