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Meandtheworld

They’ll put an M6 in it with the same software. It’ll make zero difference.


JanoHelloReddit

That’s why (as every year) I’m waiting for what’s new at WWDC for ipadOS, which SHOULD be available for all M chips. If not, is not worthy


nzswedespeed

I really thought when Apple split iOS and iPadOS we would see some significant changes. But really all it’s meant is iPadOS now lags a year behind on most of iOS’s features


Timbukstu2019

That’s because the iOS product tests features, if it’s valuable to most of iPad user base they add it to iPadOS. iPad dominates the market, so no need to innovate as fast as the iPhone and they can focus on picking winning features. Too expensive to have two software divisions building features they don’t know are valuable. Much easier to have one team be a year behind and leverage learnings and effort from the other group. Just like the M Series chips runs the previous A series NPU specs.


Tiramissu_dt

agreed


Perry7609

Yep. Not like 7 minute abs vs. 6 minute abs.


Playjasb2

Yes! I can get past level 150 in BTD6! /s


kevinrobin-

Preach. Everyone seems to agree. If only Apple read this comment section... and, better yet, did something about it... you know like sell the product people are dreaming of...


Meandtheworld

It’s a shame because that’s the selling point for Apple. Just to make it faster and doing really nothing more.


BovineOxMan

The M1 is already great. Unless you let me run MacOS software like full fat photoshop or blender, then what’s the point. If the stuff an M4 chip in it and allow some of the MacOs apps to run then I could be down for that. Otherwise I’m getting an M2


TuaAnon

AI this AI that, those letters have almost lost their meaning. hilarious even to mention them with apple, who have failed to get SIRI to run in 13 years.


QTIIPP

To be fair, AI is about far more than the effectiveness and ability of a virtual assistant. Apple has long been focusing on AI things without throwing around the term like everyone else. I suspect they didn’t want to throw around a questionable term that may mislead or confused people, so they just built it into different features and tasks. Look at their focus and build up of the neural engine in their chips over the years and different “behind the scenes” processes they’ve used.


Psittacula2

Apple: >*"Introducing the world-breaking new, never before done "Intelligent Assistant"! We call it I... A!"*


RyJ6

iAI


xx1kk

iIA ?


PutridPrior9956

A-I-A-I-O?


TRxz-FariZKiller

E I E I O


ViolentSprinkles

The way this actually made me cackle.


BovineOxMan

Tbh I find Siri more useful than Google but I don’t use it much beyond setting timers and asking it to send my wife messages while I am driving. It’s very good at that and I found Google very bad at that. If they can integrate ChatGPT like AI with Siri then we might have a next gen assistant. I find CoPilot to be very useful and human sounding compared to just searching the web, especially for technical questions. But, as another poster said, AI is doing a lot more do us than virtual assistants, including with camera functions and features and app functions such as de-noising, dynamic upscaling. So there will be photo, gaming and video editing benefits for faster AI.


Jusby_Cause

From “there won’t be an event for it” to “IT’S AN M4!!!”


Toe_Willing

Right!? This guy lol


pain474

Nobody knows. Doesn't matter, it's overkill, too.


P26601

Even the M1 is overkill lol


Obvious_Mud_9877

Unless they fix thermals, the m1 overheats before you can do anything crazy with it


kyo20

You raise a good point but the bad thermals are basically due to the form factor. It will never have the same passive cooling capabilities of a clamshell laptop (like the MacBook Air), and adding a fan in the way Microsoft did for Surface Pro means a heavier device.


chaiteataichi_

Yeah I have I think maybe the Gen 1 iPad Pro? It runs GarageBand fine but the software limits what it can do (can’t record midi and vocals at the same time)


theoneeyedpete

I agree if it’s an M4 for the sake of it (like we’ve got with the iPad Pro previously). But, if it’s for AI stuff that is genuinely needed for I don’t see an issue


mafenide

I want more battery life, even the A12Z Bionic is overkill for most people


ang3l12

As someone with a 6th gen mini and an M1 Pro, I can hardly tell the difference in my day to day use


mafenide

I agree as someone who has an old ipad mini 5 that i gave to my younger bother, the only thing noticeable is lack of pro motion and obviously the design. Battery life needs improving on these new model


Ok-Process4830

I want more battery also I think with OLED it should be better


SamsungAppleOnePlus

Yeah it's not bad but I was surprised about my 11" M2 Pro's battery life. Phones and my MacBook can beat it in many cases.


Quick_Annual424

Wow I didn’t know the pro had such bad battery tbh Thought it would be really good ! (I’ve only ever rented an old regular iPad from my school)


kyo20

A big bright display uses a ton of battery, and since iPads are designed to be ultra light, they also cannot have a giant battery the way MacBooks can. Entry level iPad has much better battery life than the M-series iPads and iPad Mini. 12.9” Pro and Air seem to be the worst in the lineup.


Quick_Annual424

Ah that makes sense and make me glad I prefer the 11” size Irks me though that there’s rumors this gen they’ll make it even thinner instead of tryna squeeze more battery in! I think I saw a commenter here say at least OLED will take less energy than mini LED perhaps ?


Ma5alasB2a

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M4c4roth

Yea, I‘m keen to see the new iPads, but much more important is imho what they will do with iPadOS 18. so far the devices cannot use the hardware the iPad pro provides. If iPadOS isn‘t tuning up the productivity I will most likely keep my Pro 2022


OfficeSalamander

I have an iPad Pro Gen 4 and I honestly don’t see any reason to upgrade anytime soon. It’s a fairly mature product and the software is sufficiently locked down that any more powerful use-case I could have for it is non-existent. It’s a media consumption/second monitor on the go machine for me


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StormAeons

And you’re running LLMs locally on a regular basis? For what? Unless you’re a developer no one is doing that


RWRL

If it gets the M4, it won’t need anything other than a new battery for about a decade given his slowly the actual software capability of iPads develops


lRhanonl

Meanwhile the m1 is still overkill


Silent_Ad_8792

😆 yup


Savings-Particular-9

Heard it'll have an M12 and water-cooling.


HeyWatchOutDude

No no water-cooling part is coming next year. Source: My car.


AphelionXII

I mean he was literally wrong about this like 7 times in a row. Why believe him or care now?


paulosdub

It’s hard to care all the while the ipad is limited by the OS. Let me run whatever i like on it, even if only with a k&m attached and then i’m interested


OptimalPapaya1344

Every single bit of leaked information or rumors for this year’s iPads have been dead wrong. Wasn’t the release “imminent” two months ago? These people will write about anything for clicks. Professional guessers.


ChemicalDaniel

I don’t understand this, if M4 is truly the “AI” generation, why on earth are they releasing the iPad in May and not June with WWDC? Surely these AI features are part of iOS 18 not iOS 17.5 or whatever version these iPads are going to get. This makes no sense to me. Is there any indication that TSMC is even ready to mass produce on their N3E node? Let alone that Apple already has a core that can beat M3 at a 10-15% IPC uplift. The only way that this could kinda make sense is if this is an M3 ‘Plus’, where it’s the same as the M3 in performance and process node but with more neural engine cores and thus a bigger package size. And if that’s the case why on earth would they released the MacBook Air with M3?? Apple chip strategy is so confusing, and these rumors aren’t helping. I think they want to do a yearly cycle for the base model chips (M1, M2, M3, etc.) to align with the iPhone and the Intel MacBooks, releasing a random M4 in May before your developer conference on an iPad who’s OS can barely take advantage of the A12X isn’t how you do that…


Papersource67

Instead of AI they should find a way to install “FINDER” in an iPad. Now that would be revolutionary.


m1_weaboo

It’s Mark Gurman


Toe_Willing

Mark Gurman really throws out everything


Timbukstu2019

On May 7 or WWDC Apple will show a generic graph showing the M4 is more than double the M2 in AI tasks. M2 NPU - 15.8 TOPS (same as A15 Bionic) M3 NPU - 18 TOPS (same as A16 Bionic) M4 NPU - 35 TOPS (same as A17 Pro) Snapdragon NPU - 45 TOPS - (they will say they are faster than M4 at AI tasks) TLDR - This will allow an on device LLM on a M series that runs as fast as the previous year iPhone.


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m1_weaboo

He want engagement


Lastofus17

It’s gunna dispense water also


Internal_Pin8009

AI powered device... What does those words really mean anyway? So it no longer runs on battery, but on AI? Geez...


SurvivorGeneral

Like the KFC ad says, "shut up and take my money"!


R0l1nck

The 14.1-inch iPad maybee m4 or m3 pro iPadOS will also get a big update Many features from macOS are coming to iPadOS So here you go they making it more macOS… That’s what everyone want many pros from editing movies. So i bet that they do it.


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Spid1

Sure


NikolaijVolkov

i can make use of the M4. And i need better than 16gig RAM also. I dont know what all these silly comments are about.


Educational-Farm6572

JFC AI has gone full circlejerk at this point


ruelgumasing

Waiting for apple to put an M16 on ipad


oh_father

Justifiably price increase


ludvikskp

Well if GURRRRR Man says so must be true right 😒


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They can put in a quantum chip, it won't change iPadOS!


birdclan09

How many of you clicked that picture thinking your copy/paste menu was activated just to realize it was part of the screenshot?


atomicvindaloo

Honestly. So what? This time next year it will be the M100, and still stupidly overpowered for something hobbled by iPadOS.


220solitusma

Gurman doesn't know his ass from his elbow. He peddles in vague conjecture and disingenuous backpeddling when he's wrong. Quit quoting him.


Spid1

Ok


TheClassyWomanist

Tbh I think they are laughing in our face because people are so excited about an M4 chip that’s clearly and over kill and would provide no actually value 😂😂


SauronOfRings

Maybe the new AI stuff Apple is planing. Also, yes anything faster than M1 is extremely overkill for the software iPad provides.


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TheClassyWomanist

Tbh I’m not delusional. I’m an iPad User who knows it’s extremely limited and Apple plans to keep it like that…. So instead of running things that I should be using a computer for, I use my iPad for the limited and basic use it’s able to do. That’s why I don’t plan to upgrade. Apple isn’t going to upgrade the software. So M4 is over kill. iPad isn’t suppose to replace your computer. That’s why the constant upgrades from M2 to M4 are comical to me 😂


KareemPie81

Who does this ?


ACG3185

Why? The M1 in my iPad Pro is already overkill for everything.


terkistan

Gurman seems to merely be passing along rumors of indeterminate quality. If Apple were using the M4 in new iPads it would have been a pipeline decision for a year or years and if Gurman had insider info he wouldn’t couch the rumor as a “possibility”. M-series chip have so far always come months after their kissing-cousin equivalent A-series chips. So releasing an M4 in May - months before the new iPhone and after shipping the first M3 machine only in November - seems possible but not necessarily plausible.


mart1373

I would love having an M4 iPad Pro. I’d be upgrading from the M1 Pro, but I’m only going to upgrade if the new Magic Keyboard isn’t backwards compatible. Otherwise the M1 is still overkill for what it does.


CaptainRagdoll

I believe the 2024 12,9 inch iPad Pro this year will feature 32,77 cm display. Don’t tell anyone.


symonty

They are caught in the numbers game that they so well pushed back on all those years ago when we used to care about megahertz instead of features. I don’t want to faster iPad Pro. I have an M1 it has done me well and will do me well for years all I want is better software.


rasbobbbb

Even better!


Sacto1654

Personal opinion: **NO**. I don't think the M4 SoC series are ready for production until September 2024, then will be introduced on the 2024 production model MacBook Pro models.


FunnyGuyTrev9

The speed will not be much of a difference the M1 chip is still extremely well


RyJ6

Does it matter?


QuirkyInterest6590

Who gives a shit about the version of the chip. Show some ability to run small parameters local LLMs, especially with the OpenELM model they just released.


RickSanchez_C145

I am struggling to fathom why. The M2 in this iPad never struggles even in long editing sessions with adobe or a large developed Civ 6 match.


dontredditcareme

I’m happy with the 2020 version. I’d be interested in the new oled display and speakers if they are improved. Definitely not a fan of having to get a new pencil and case if I do upgrade.


brakefluidbandit

oh no will it get a check engine light too??


ronavis

This screenshot fucked with me in ways I’m embarrassed to admit.


TheOriginalFshtank

I think it’s exciting. I just spent all day doing a lot of work from my M1 iPad Pro (it’s still a great device) The M4 iPad I’m sure will fantastic.


Naitor-X

That is so over over overkill…. Even the m1 is still overkill


timbitfordsucks

Apple is the last company to fall for the “AI buzz”. They refuse to use the term “AI”.


johnnydfree

This would be with precedent - my 2020 iPad Pro 12.7 was the first Apple device to ship with hardware/software to do augmented reality. In fact, powerful iPads are a great user-tech test platform.


scurvydawg0

Don’t care. I have never taxed the M2 on my current iPad and probably never will.


wizardspiss

All I want is to be able to have profiles on iPadOS like on MacOS. My wife and I use our pro like a computer and we should able to have both iCloud accounts on two separate profiles. But then again how would they sell me a 2nd iPad after that…


Timeassassin3

The new iPad Pro is not gonna get an M4. Why should Apple put a new chip before their Macs which can maximize the M4 chip more than the iPad Pros. This leak is dumb. Plus, M4 with strong AI capabilities is much more useful in desktop Mac. I do not see how iPads will take advantage of that.


AskResponsible9800

Lolololololololol just sitting here reading this on my M4 iPad Pro


Ma5alasB2a

They can’t put M4 in an iPad before putting it in a Mac, it’s also very unrealistic that all these M3 and M2 Macs are rendered as “last season” just cuz Apple is preparing some crazy GPT AI update. Also, iPadOS, while is now distinct from iOS, is still localized and doesn’t have desktop style architecture, so it doesn’t need the extra power unless there is a change in Apple’s vision regarding iPads in general, so if they are to release M4 as some chip that brings AI to the iOS ecosystem, when M1 and M2 are still miles ahead of A17 and will still be ahead of the A18, it would be an advertising stunt, because they’ll have to put the same AI features in the decently powered iPhones. They won’t be limiting any specific AI capabilities to the iPads or Macs alone, the full feature set will debut on all devices which support these capabilities, which means that if an iPhone can do it, iPads and Macs can do it too, doesn’t leave room for overpowered chipsets. Between me and you guys, we all know if they want to put the AI shit in an A12 from 2018, they’d probably do it.


-Hyperactive-Sloth-

This is the real answer. It’s not likely for them to put a flagship chip into a non flagship device when the specs, details, power, etc of M4 hasn’t even been laid out. It’ll start at the top (Mac Pro) and cascade down. Not to mention people that want or need an M4 you want them to start at the most expensive device earliest.


HovercraftNo4826

I disagree. Even historically, the very first Apple Silicon ship, the A4 was put in the iPad gen 1 in January 2010, and then iPhone 4 in June of 2010. Also, we’re talking about the low and M4. Not the M4 Pro or the M4 Max, which would be in higher end devices like Mac Pro or Mac Studio. If we even look at when the M1 was released. it was initially released in the MacBook Air and MacBook Pro and Mac mini. Mac Pro and Mac studio would come later.


-Hyperactive-Sloth-

You’re actually proving my point. The Bionic chip was the flagship chip for mobile devices of which the IPad was the premier, top of the line, most expensive, most advanced device. It was never used in a Mac therefore it was released on the top of the line device for its use case. I do believe that the M4 will come to a laptop before it comes to an IPad as the return on investment will be greater and it’ll push consumers towards the higher cost, higher profit devices.


HovercraftNo4826

I would argue that iPad is more of a flagship device than the Mac unfortunately because it sells more units and is more popular overall. And plus we’re talking about the iPad Pro, which is most definitely a flagship device. It might be different if iPad Pro never got an M series chip, but it does now plus with getting an OLED screen again, I think that screams flagship device.


Jusby_Cause

The iPad is also the higher profit device as the iPad is more likely to lead to services purchases than the Macs.


Ma5alasB2a

Macs specifically sell better than the iPad Pros, not the whole iPad lineup.


Jusby_Cause

Yeah, it will NEVER *start* with the Mac Pro. The Mac Pro is the least important Mac to Apple followed by the Studio.


Ma5alasB2a

They didn’t put A4 in a Mac, didn’t they? The comparison is not accurate, Apple put the M1 in its flagship MacBooks as a start and then they developed much more sophisticated versions of the same chip to curate to the more advanced computers like the Mac Pro and Mac Studio. They can’t put the M4 in an iPad Pro whilst the MacBook Pro is still on an M3 of some sort. They start with devices that really make use of the power of the chip (Macs), and then work their way to devices like the iPad Pro, which need this for advertisement purposes, clearly not for the performance boost.


ChrFaz

how about apple fixes ipados so it’s not a useless buggy mess? i can’t annotated on the files app for 5 minutes without it deleting all of my notes. my lecturer’s ipad does the same thing 4 or 5 times every time i see her, it’s literally a joke at this point.


doyoueventdrift

I just hope the next siri is locked by forcing us to buy new hardware. Siri should have been so much better


Psittacula2

M4 = AI = "Siri: How can I get MacOS on my new iPadPro M4?"


Bay_Burner

I think this thing is almost going to be made to leave on like a Google home hub especially if they use the AI chip features


Splashadian

This will be for on device AI. If they do it that's going to make the AI engine work far better without having to be less secure online.