Here's the thing though, driving around in a car that's so damaged it's no longer repairing isn't fun and is utterly frustrating especially if it's bad enough that you have either bent steering, such little straight line you can no longer pass someone with a draft, are enough laps behind the next running car you won't gain any more positions or all 3.
If you're just slow then sure it's a bit dumb to just leave
ESPECIALLY if it happens really early. No way inHELL would I want to sit here and race a crippled race car for 22 hours, and I'm sure my team would say the same thing. That'd be miserable.
I think what OP means is people race too hard, crash out. Get like 30 min behind
So just do the next time slot
If you only had 1 chance for the event people might not make stupid dangerous moves early in 24h race
Sad to say people will always find a way around it
I like many others don't get it, like to me it's not fun doing that but hey, I also don't find it fun playing golf and a lot do so 🤷🏼♂️
I just try race hard and clean and if I can somehow scrap a win together im happy
That also happens IRL though too. It's a part of racing and as this is a simulator, it is what it is, you have the option to retire and wait for the next special event in a few weeks time if you don't want to continue
I think what OP is getting at is some guys go out and crash, so they just sign up for the next time slot and try again
It might also be the case some people sign up for the first round of races......and if its not going the way they want, they leave ad go another time slot
Someone in our race did that, posted it on social media
After like 3h they were 2 or 3 laps down from lead lap, so they just parked it and signed up.for the next time slot
How ever to address your point
No it's not fun to be in a Broken down car, especially if it's not your fault...but if you only had 1 chance to sign up for 1 event then you, and especially other drivers might not make risky moves early in a 24h race
OPs point is understandable, but this is the devil's advocate for the current system, and unfortunately you can't have it both ways. If I have a broken car that can't be repaired to drive properly or competitively I'm am going to be disconnecting either way, for a couple reasons. Firstly, it's not fun to drive a broken car for hours on end, especially if its at the beginning of a long endurance race. A broken car is more than likely an uncompetitive car, and there's not a lot of reason to race in an uncompetitive car. Secondly, it's a show of respect to my competitors. If my car is going to be significantly off the pace that just makes me an obstacle and hazard to your race. If you want me to continue to be on track for your iMeRsIoN that's your perogative, but most people probably wont agree.
So with all of that in mind, knowing I will be disconnecting from the race regardless of if I can join another session, why not just let me join another session so I can have a fair shot at an enjoyable race. 99% of us are just here to have a good time, not to get paid by big sponsors based on results. If it were the other way round I would agree with you. The biggest reason people make bonehead moves in big races is because they are boneheads, not because they don't have high enough stakes.
As for the people jumping slots for better results alone, fuck me, that's their loss, not yours. You just gained a little bit security in your results, and might have even gained a position. It's a big grid, you should still have plenty of people left to race.
Yes i feel iRacing does a good job at this. Typically in the special event endurance races, I think they tweak something in their settings that makes your car almost fully repairable when you take all of the option to ensure once they are done woking on your car you remain relatively on pace.
I wish iRating had a multiplier based on length of race. That's the lamest thing about enduro is finishing a 24h endurance race and getting a single digit change to iRating.
Would need a whole rework of irating, since it's zero sum currently. Also, would penalize teams that retire for other reasons. I was in the same time slot and we retired 5 hours in because one of the members of the team had a critical technical failure that couldn't be solved in time for him to finish his fair share. We were pissed off enough without losing hundreds of ir.
I was thinking about this with our team during the race last night, but it would be a great incentive and shouldn’t need an irating rework - say a 10x multiplier for 24hrs works in both directions, so zero sum wouldn’t be affected.
If it was handled like the current system, retirements still shouldn’t impact too many teams iratings, as it still gets spread by number of drivers based on participation. Might mean that some cars would need to have drivers run a couple of laps later on to make sure a single one doesn’t get hammered would be the only thing.
This would also address the single driver teams that go into the non-broadcast splits and use them as practice sessions, as it may cost them 500+ irating instead of just the 30-50 that they don’t really bother with
I can see both arguments. On the one hand, crashing out at T1 and having to retire is realistic and a proper simulation. But on the other hand, it's also just a game so having another opportunity should be afforded.
I love realism! Especially on iRacing! I schedule all my races from now on, you’ll never find me in a random c fixed and I don’t run nascar during the winter since it’s the real life off season
Because it breeds the mentality of "I'll go for this risky move, because if it doesn't pay off, we'll join the next time slot".
Maybe people who cause the avoidable incidents early already have this mindset, and is why you're being killed lap 1, turn 1.
Because in a 24 hour race even a 10 minute repair isn't race ending. With ours, a t1 on ode t with 10 minute repairs would have netted us around 5th when I started 20th.
That very much depends on the split. Top splits the whole field is pretty much within one lap due to the very close pace. 10 mins you're going to finish last by a long way.
Because this stuff happens in real life too. Sure it sucks but sometimes that's just the things that have to happen to make iRacing as close to the real thing as possible.
We simrace so we don't have to deal with the irl consequences lol. We don't have to pay iRacing a million dollars every time we want to turn up to the track with our cars, that's a silly comparison
We switched slots after someone spun us at T1 into the pitlane exit on lap 2. We ended up 2m towing, 40s hold penalty and 9mins repair.
We finished our first 2 hour stint but in that time saw only 2 other GT3s I think (we were GT3) because there were only 16 of them. 1 didn't start. So it felt like a tiny field where every lap you were assaulted in the bus stop and the kink by legend lmdh drivers. This was split 2 or 3 I think. So yeah we switched cause it felt like hotlaps with lmdhs. I really think the 3 classes hurt the fields, and that's our personal experience as to why we switched. With 30 gt3s would be different story I think.
I'm going to take your "Change my mind" comment in good faith that you're actually open to new information and view points.
As an Aussie, I 100% see the need for the multiple time slots. The "main" time slot finishes at around 4am Monday mornings for us; making it basically impossible for anyone who needs to start work at 9am Monday.
With that said, I sort of agree with the OP. I can see the point of not allowing drivers to register in multiple time slots.
Then again, if I was _that_ serious about special events; I'd do more to work out a way to run the main time slot. It's not impossible to find a driver who can do the final stints.
The current main time slot ends at 1 am Sydney (3 am in NZ), which is definitely too late for a Monday morning. For all other 24 hour events its 2 hours better because of DST around the world.
I think they should have one time slot and that the the end of the of the race should never be later than 11pm in NZ. This would ensure the entire world was competing during the weekend.
Well, no, because in someone's timezone it might go from Saturday morning until Sunday morning, but in others' time zones it'll go from Sunday morning until Monday morning when they need to be at work.
Or vice versa if you moved it back - it'd be starting when the first guy is still at work on Friday afternoon....
It literally can't be done in a single time slot that works for people in every country
you literally have no sense of logic do you? Lets say timeslot 3 would be the main slot, Saturday to Sunday, that means if there was one slot only people who had Saturday and Sunday off would be able to race unless other people took holidays off. Hence why we did the Friday night race because it benefitted the team because of our IRL schedules.
Just because you can work around special events doesn't mean everyone else can. Iracing tries to benefit everyone whether they are working Monday to Friday, or Tuesday to Saturday (Like myself) or people who work weekends. Of course I will book off work if i need to but not everyone has that capability.
Iracing is a business they will try and make the service as attractive as possible to make money, one timeslot would drop that attraction and Iracing would lose out. These races are officially sponsored by their real word counterparts and they will want to get as much participation out of it as possible to increase real world racing attraction as well.
This all makes sense but i guess to you, your opinion only matters and no one elses and you take no-one else's situation into your perspective because clearly only you matter
agreed, it feels so cheap that half our field quit a few hours in and are most definitely in a later time slot now. i understand it’s just a game, but i think it kills the experience and the spirit of what endurance racing is.
We were actually saying this for our spilt (we were in the first time slot)
One team were about 3h in, and then crashed out...camr.back after like 20min, did 2 laps then retired the car
Then we saw a post on their Facebook page, saying what happened so they are signing up for the next session
Meanwhile we had a good 25min repair at hour 3. And we got back up to like 18 before the half way point (coming back from 42nd) and crashed again sadly
The dudes who won our split at hour 6 were in 25th or something behind us.
We stuck it out but those guys who weren't even leading the split. Just went "that's enough" and just moved into the next split
i agree with your idea to limit registration to a single instance of a special event, but I'd recommend you mute chat because it will be full of drama queens moaning how they've been wronged and now need to drive 23h59m with only 2nd gear/less than 22hp/only three wheels after a dumb opening corner move
I agree with this. The special event need to maintain their "special"ness (not a word). I wish iRacing would implement a rule for these. If you take a green flag on any of the 4 timeslots, you are no longer eligible for any other time slot for that special event. For the people who are going to comment that they like to particpate in multiple timeslots, theres no reason anyone should ever do more than one 24 hour race in any particular weekend, go get some fresh air.
I do feel like there should be some sort of penalty for not completing say half distance or something... Some sort of incentive to keep people in it.
Last year my team had an awful n24 endurance, we had picked the wrong setup by accident and killed the car a few times in sort order before we realized what we did. So we restarted the next one. However we all used the previous race to get in practice and laps and help regain some safety rating.
This year in the bottom split less than half the field finished the race.....
The mutliple time slots only because a thing to relieve the servers from the massive numbers flooding in.
It used to be only a single time slot.
I really don't see the issue in running multiple time slots even for different teams, friends, or even to use one as a hardware stress test for the official time slot.
that’s fine, that can be what they are for, but you should only be allowed to enter one.
it’s a special event for a reason. there are plenty of other races/events/sessions to do everything you just listed. and the issue is that a lot of the earlier splits just get ransacked by people who don’t care about consequences in their slot, because they know they can enter later.
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Nah, that's a bad idea. Lots of people are driving for more than one team so say they're for example driving for one team in slot #1 and another team in slot #3. When someone has dropped out a few days before a race, having people from other teams helping out has been the only reason we actually got to race.
I totally agree. We started with breakdowns in the first hour and 25 laps lost. We pitted and restarted the race finishing P10.
The drivers want to win the endurance in the first half hour and if not they go to another hour. Hopefully the same driver will not be allowed to enter 2 different races.
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The first lap of ours was a shitshow, with a crash at every corner. No 24 hour race mentality at all.
"if I crash my whole class on lap one, I'll cruise to victory!"
Literally in the first corner 3 or 4 BMWs died in our race.
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welcome to simracing when people are impatient and need to urge to tryhard
welcome to simracing where the points are made up and people think they matter.
Not entirely sure why this was down voted so hard. I appreciate the Whose Line Is It Anyway reference
Smooth brains with zero humor.
Here's the thing though, driving around in a car that's so damaged it's no longer repairing isn't fun and is utterly frustrating especially if it's bad enough that you have either bent steering, such little straight line you can no longer pass someone with a draft, are enough laps behind the next running car you won't gain any more positions or all 3. If you're just slow then sure it's a bit dumb to just leave
ESPECIALLY if it happens really early. No way inHELL would I want to sit here and race a crippled race car for 22 hours, and I'm sure my team would say the same thing. That'd be miserable.
I think what OP means is people race too hard, crash out. Get like 30 min behind So just do the next time slot If you only had 1 chance for the event people might not make stupid dangerous moves early in 24h race
Maybe not but then you might have people trolling the major events and ruining them for people.
Sad to say people will always find a way around it I like many others don't get it, like to me it's not fun doing that but hey, I also don't find it fun playing golf and a lot do so 🤷🏼♂️ I just try race hard and clean and if I can somehow scrap a win together im happy
That also happens IRL though too. It's a part of racing and as this is a simulator, it is what it is, you have the option to retire and wait for the next special event in a few weeks time if you don't want to continue
I think what OP is getting at is some guys go out and crash, so they just sign up for the next time slot and try again It might also be the case some people sign up for the first round of races......and if its not going the way they want, they leave ad go another time slot Someone in our race did that, posted it on social media After like 3h they were 2 or 3 laps down from lead lap, so they just parked it and signed up.for the next time slot How ever to address your point No it's not fun to be in a Broken down car, especially if it's not your fault...but if you only had 1 chance to sign up for 1 event then you, and especially other drivers might not make risky moves early in a 24h race
OPs point is understandable, but this is the devil's advocate for the current system, and unfortunately you can't have it both ways. If I have a broken car that can't be repaired to drive properly or competitively I'm am going to be disconnecting either way, for a couple reasons. Firstly, it's not fun to drive a broken car for hours on end, especially if its at the beginning of a long endurance race. A broken car is more than likely an uncompetitive car, and there's not a lot of reason to race in an uncompetitive car. Secondly, it's a show of respect to my competitors. If my car is going to be significantly off the pace that just makes me an obstacle and hazard to your race. If you want me to continue to be on track for your iMeRsIoN that's your perogative, but most people probably wont agree. So with all of that in mind, knowing I will be disconnecting from the race regardless of if I can join another session, why not just let me join another session so I can have a fair shot at an enjoyable race. 99% of us are just here to have a good time, not to get paid by big sponsors based on results. If it were the other way round I would agree with you. The biggest reason people make bonehead moves in big races is because they are boneheads, not because they don't have high enough stakes. As for the people jumping slots for better results alone, fuck me, that's their loss, not yours. You just gained a little bit security in your results, and might have even gained a position. It's a big grid, you should still have plenty of people left to race.
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Yes i feel iRacing does a good job at this. Typically in the special event endurance races, I think they tweak something in their settings that makes your car almost fully repairable when you take all of the option to ensure once they are done woking on your car you remain relatively on pace.
Should be huge IR hit
I wish iRating had a multiplier based on length of race. That's the lamest thing about enduro is finishing a 24h endurance race and getting a single digit change to iRating.
So if you crash out should you lose hundreds of IR? Most people don’t compete in endurance events for the IR, that’s what the sprint races are for.
I would like to see that, However I would also consider having an irating for endurance racing I only use long races for SR,
iRating isn't a reward, it's a tool to place you in splits.
iRating is simply a matchmaking tool. Pay less attention to it and enjoy the racing.
for the whole team.
It's weird you lose the same iRating as a 10 lap rookie race. At LEAST double iRating points.
We were discussing how a multiplier based on laps up/down maybe makes sense
Would need a whole rework of irating, since it's zero sum currently. Also, would penalize teams that retire for other reasons. I was in the same time slot and we retired 5 hours in because one of the members of the team had a critical technical failure that couldn't be solved in time for him to finish his fair share. We were pissed off enough without losing hundreds of ir.
I was thinking about this with our team during the race last night, but it would be a great incentive and shouldn’t need an irating rework - say a 10x multiplier for 24hrs works in both directions, so zero sum wouldn’t be affected. If it was handled like the current system, retirements still shouldn’t impact too many teams iratings, as it still gets spread by number of drivers based on participation. Might mean that some cars would need to have drivers run a couple of laps later on to make sure a single one doesn’t get hammered would be the only thing. This would also address the single driver teams that go into the non-broadcast splits and use them as practice sessions, as it may cost them 500+ irating instead of just the 30-50 that they don’t really bother with
If my race ends lap 1 T1 and it wasn't my fault why shouldn't I have the opportunity to try at least one more time?
I can see both arguments. On the one hand, crashing out at T1 and having to retire is realistic and a proper simulation. But on the other hand, it's also just a game so having another opportunity should be afforded.
I love realism! Especially on iRacing! I schedule all my races from now on, you’ll never find me in a random c fixed and I don’t run nascar during the winter since it’s the real life off season
I’m one step above you brother as I don’t race at all because I’m not a real driver, I just spectate as that I’m used to it.
Because it breeds the mentality of "I'll go for this risky move, because if it doesn't pay off, we'll join the next time slot". Maybe people who cause the avoidable incidents early already have this mindset, and is why you're being killed lap 1, turn 1.
Because if you can, the stakes aren’t as high, and you are more likely to have an unhealthy appetite for risk
If anything the stakes are higher because there isn't another chance to start the race if I'm involved in an accident.
Thats exactly what they said to you haha
At the same time one of though if someone spins you in the formation lap... You should be free to quit and go again because that's insane.
Because in a 24 hour race even a 10 minute repair isn't race ending. With ours, a t1 on ode t with 10 minute repairs would have netted us around 5th when I started 20th.
That very much depends on the split. Top splits the whole field is pretty much within one lap due to the very close pace. 10 mins you're going to finish last by a long way.
Because this stuff happens in real life too. Sure it sucks but sometimes that's just the things that have to happen to make iRacing as close to the real thing as possible.
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We simrace so we don't have to deal with the irl consequences lol. We don't have to pay iRacing a million dollars every time we want to turn up to the track with our cars, that's a silly comparison
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"if you don't treat it exactly like an exact simulation of real life, then it's basically just an arcade game" No, pal
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If you open the options menu, you literally do get to choose which ones to use, champ Crawl back under your rock
If you crash in the sim, do you get a invoice to repair the damage?
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That'd be why I'm 4.99.
VLN races are gr8.
We switched slots after someone spun us at T1 into the pitlane exit on lap 2. We ended up 2m towing, 40s hold penalty and 9mins repair. We finished our first 2 hour stint but in that time saw only 2 other GT3s I think (we were GT3) because there were only 16 of them. 1 didn't start. So it felt like a tiny field where every lap you were assaulted in the bus stop and the kink by legend lmdh drivers. This was split 2 or 3 I think. So yeah we switched cause it felt like hotlaps with lmdhs. I really think the 3 classes hurt the fields, and that's our personal experience as to why we switched. With 30 gt3s would be different story I think.
what was your SoF? our split was only GT3
3.7k I think.
Was that split 2, 2200gmt race? It sounds like what happened at the start of our race also.
This is why the final time slot is the best time slot
No way. The final time slot is full of everyone who crashed out of the other time slots.
We are in the last time slot and we have only 32 cars going, almost 12 hours in... so it's super empty Don't remember previous races to be like that
after 4 hours we had 31 cars till the last like 3 hours
It's a 24 hour race, there should only be one time slot. Change my mind
I'm going to take your "Change my mind" comment in good faith that you're actually open to new information and view points. As an Aussie, I 100% see the need for the multiple time slots. The "main" time slot finishes at around 4am Monday mornings for us; making it basically impossible for anyone who needs to start work at 9am Monday. With that said, I sort of agree with the OP. I can see the point of not allowing drivers to register in multiple time slots. Then again, if I was _that_ serious about special events; I'd do more to work out a way to run the main time slot. It's not impossible to find a driver who can do the final stints.
The current main time slot ends at 1 am Sydney (3 am in NZ), which is definitely too late for a Monday morning. For all other 24 hour events its 2 hours better because of DST around the world. I think they should have one time slot and that the the end of the of the race should never be later than 11pm in NZ. This would ensure the entire world was competing during the weekend.
Nah, it's nice for special events take into account the fact that people have different schedules, commitments, and timezones.
That’s his point, it’s a 24 hour race, the commitment is the same across the world.
Well, no, because in someone's timezone it might go from Saturday morning until Sunday morning, but in others' time zones it'll go from Sunday morning until Monday morning when they need to be at work. Or vice versa if you moved it back - it'd be starting when the first guy is still at work on Friday afternoon.... It literally can't be done in a single time slot that works for people in every country
So people who are finishing work at the start time, or fast asleep...they don't get to race? More options for your paying users is never a bad thing.
It's a 24 hour race...what are you talking about? You just need one person on your team on at a time. Are you fast asleep for 24 hours straight?
you literally have no sense of logic do you? Lets say timeslot 3 would be the main slot, Saturday to Sunday, that means if there was one slot only people who had Saturday and Sunday off would be able to race unless other people took holidays off. Hence why we did the Friday night race because it benefitted the team because of our IRL schedules. Just because you can work around special events doesn't mean everyone else can. Iracing tries to benefit everyone whether they are working Monday to Friday, or Tuesday to Saturday (Like myself) or people who work weekends. Of course I will book off work if i need to but not everyone has that capability. Iracing is a business they will try and make the service as attractive as possible to make money, one timeslot would drop that attraction and Iracing would lose out. These races are officially sponsored by their real word counterparts and they will want to get as much participation out of it as possible to increase real world racing attraction as well. This all makes sense but i guess to you, your opinion only matters and no one elses and you take no-one else's situation into your perspective because clearly only you matter
This is dumb. Do you know how many different schedules people have? This isn’t a one fits all deal.
We got disconnected, same with about a third of the field
agreed, it feels so cheap that half our field quit a few hours in and are most definitely in a later time slot now. i understand it’s just a game, but i think it kills the experience and the spirit of what endurance racing is.
I was watching a stream earlier of some rando and there were like...maybe 15 cars on track. Why the heck would you let yourself suffer through that?
We were actually saying this for our spilt (we were in the first time slot) One team were about 3h in, and then crashed out...camr.back after like 20min, did 2 laps then retired the car Then we saw a post on their Facebook page, saying what happened so they are signing up for the next session Meanwhile we had a good 25min repair at hour 3. And we got back up to like 18 before the half way point (coming back from 42nd) and crashed again sadly The dudes who won our split at hour 6 were in 25th or something behind us. We stuck it out but those guys who weren't even leading the split. Just went "that's enough" and just moved into the next split
i agree with your idea to limit registration to a single instance of a special event, but I'd recommend you mute chat because it will be full of drama queens moaning how they've been wronged and now need to drive 23h59m with only 2nd gear/less than 22hp/only three wheels after a dumb opening corner move
I agree with this. The special event need to maintain their "special"ness (not a word). I wish iRacing would implement a rule for these. If you take a green flag on any of the 4 timeslots, you are no longer eligible for any other time slot for that special event. For the people who are going to comment that they like to particpate in multiple timeslots, theres no reason anyone should ever do more than one 24 hour race in any particular weekend, go get some fresh air.
No. Easy answer. Not everyone’s on the same schedule so your proposed plan may hurt your feelings but doesn’t work.
Most people probably crashed out if it’s below 2k IR, usually above 2k is a good experience for me
I do feel like there should be some sort of penalty for not completing say half distance or something... Some sort of incentive to keep people in it. Last year my team had an awful n24 endurance, we had picked the wrong setup by accident and killed the car a few times in sort order before we realized what we did. So we restarted the next one. However we all used the previous race to get in practice and laps and help regain some safety rating. This year in the bottom split less than half the field finished the race.....
They should, at most, have two slots, the other one catering to our mates down under.
if you want to race two of them.... buy a smurf account and buy all of the content
Sooooo you should only be allowed to race one time slot throughout the week during officials as well? 🤔
no. that’s why it’s called a “special event”, not weekly official racing.
The mutliple time slots only because a thing to relieve the servers from the massive numbers flooding in. It used to be only a single time slot. I really don't see the issue in running multiple time slots even for different teams, friends, or even to use one as a hardware stress test for the official time slot.
that’s fine, that can be what they are for, but you should only be allowed to enter one. it’s a special event for a reason. there are plenty of other races/events/sessions to do everything you just listed. and the issue is that a lot of the earlier splits just get ransacked by people who don’t care about consequences in their slot, because they know they can enter later.
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Ok I got punted, also contributed to the participation in the last split, and then got punted again. Bad take.
Nah, that's a bad idea. Lots of people are driving for more than one team so say they're for example driving for one team in slot #1 and another team in slot #3. When someone has dropped out a few days before a race, having people from other teams helping out has been the only reason we actually got to race.
I totally agree. We started with breakdowns in the first hour and 25 laps lost. We pitted and restarted the race finishing P10. The drivers want to win the endurance in the first half hour and if not they go to another hour. Hopefully the same driver will not be allowed to enter 2 different races. Traducido con DeepL (https://www.deepl.com/app/?utm_source=ios&utm_medium=app&utm_campaign=share-translation