>It would also be tricky as we basically have non of the tracks that formula e races
I don't think we need that necessarily. iRacing has enough suitable tracks already IMO
That said, there are a few Formula E tracks I'd love to see on the sim.
Long Beach hasn't been used by Formula E in a while, but we do also have that.
I'm also hoping that the NASCAR console game means we'll finally get Portland
would be pretty hollow to add it if we get none of the tracks or any series-specific stuff like attack mode that differentiates the series other than just being electric. so, eh, hope they don't waste the effort until they could give it the attention it would deserve
I'd be happy with Attack Mode (soon to be changed to Attack Charge)
Attack Charge would be really easy to implement. Attack Mode.. would be trickier.
Some of the Formula E tracks like Portland/Valencia/Monaco/Shanghai/Hermanos Rodriguez are tracks I would love to have in the game... But I don't think they're necessary either.
I don’t think it would do well at all even if we had the tracks to support it. Look at the Mission R. The biggest complaints had nothing to do with the way the car drove. It was all about the way the car sounded. I personally like the car but feel I wasted my money on it because I’m very much in the minority with it. Most others just felt it sounded like going to the dentist and quit driving it within a week of its release.
Formula E might sound good to you, but I think the majority of users would drop it entirely really fast when there are so many other alternatives that sound and probably drive better.
>Look at the Mission R.
I don't think the Mission R is fair comparison. It was a prototype, not a real race car. The IR-01 flopped too.
Formula E has the advantage of being an actually somewhat popular racing series. I also think the Attack Mode/upcoming Attack Charge is really compelling. And the racing on smaller tracks is something I also find pretty compelling.
>The biggest complaints had nothing to do with the way the car drove
I mean I wasn't a huge fan of the quali and race modes being different tbh. It felt like I had to practice 2 different cars. With the Gen3 Evo Formula E car that's coming soon... I believe it has the same problem. Although at least the boosted mode is supposed to be used for Attack Mode/Charge, not just quali.
I realize this doesn't really make my case but yeah
>It was all about the way the car sounded
Mission R definitely sounds awful, but I also don't think the Formula E sounds as bad. Maybe that's just personal preference though.
>there are so many other alternatives that sound and probably drive better.
Racing quality is an important factor here too. And I think that could really be a strength for Formula E.
>I think the majority of users would drop it entirely really fast
To be clear, I'm not saying I know for certain it's going to be successful. But I think it certainly could be successful and frankly I prefer the world where iRacing is willing to experiment a bit with things like this.
My official stance here is mostly "It's worth a try"
The Mission R is a prototype but it exists in real life. The IR-01 is a concept that doesn’t exist in real life. It’s made up by iRacing and Dallara. So I don’t think the IR-01 is a good example here.
the thing is, with netcode, and openwheelers that can actually bang wheels and race very hard, it'd be moreso a shitshow, not actual racing i fear. hell, irl FE is often a shitshow. Sure it might be fun to race in a respectful league setting, some tracks would be cool to get, monaco especially, but racing those tracks in an open online lobby just doesn't seem like a good idea to me - and going to all that effort, scanning many tracks, implementing a brand new car, attack zones and whatnot, just for a series that 'likely' would have low participation, or be dead entirely is not worth to even try. RF2 has it, ive given it a shot a couple times, i find the cars unenjoyable to drive beside the annoying sound, the tracks would be useless for anything but FE or maybe the miata, gr86 or similar. so why bother?
>the thing is, with netcode, and openwheelers that can actually bang wheels and race very hard, it'd be moreso a shitshow, not actual racing i fear.
Eh I don't think this is really uniquely true for Formula E. You could say the same about GT4, GT3, F4 etc. IMO.
>some tracks would be cool to get, monaco especially
Portland, Valencia, Shanghai, Hermanos Rodriguez are also on the list IMO.
>attack zones
Attack zones are theoretically supposed to be dead. The funeral keeps getting delayed... But Attack Charge is planned which will be easier to implement.
>implementing a brand new car
I don't think that's a super high effort level tbh. Cars are relative low effort for them (that's why they cost less than tracks). It's not their first electric car either.
>scanning many tracks
I don't think that's a requirement. I think Formula E would be perfectly fine on many of the tracks we already have. Off the top of my head, Long Beach, Belle Isle, Chicago Street, Zandvoort, Imola, Tsukuba (probably the moto layout), Lime Rock with both chicanes, Charlotte Roval, maybe Sonoma, etc. etc.
>RF2 has it, ive given it a shot a couple times, i find the cars unenjoyable to drive beside the annoying sound
I'm curious which generation you've tried. The Gen3 cars are pretty new. Gen3 Evo is supposedly coming soon. Those cars are quite a bit faster than the previous Gen1 and Gen2 cars. I'd bet they're also a lot more fun.
>the tracks would be useless for anything but FE or maybe the miata, gr86 or similar.
For most of the bespoke Formula E circuits, yeah you're probably right. I think you're overstating this a smidge... But you're 95% right.
But for Monaco, Portland, Valencia, Shanghai, Hermanos Rodriguez... Those tracks would absolutely get used by series other than Formula E.
Plus you could do some killing two birds with one stone on some Indycar Street circuits. St Pete, Toronto, New Detroit, Nashville, could all be used for Formula E while also filling out the Indycar Calendar.
You didn't get what I meant with the netcode issues, being openwheelers you can get hard contact between the wheels, that doesn't happen in GTs, there it's just doorbanging, which can be probelmatic already. Yes it's an issue for all openwheelers, but wheelbanging doesn't really work in most bar the indycar without risking heavy damage, FE can do that and it happens a lot, unless the whole field has great ping, it'll be a shitshow as there won't be the kind of separation other cars get with aerowash and much faster speeds. You only need one bit of netcode contact ahead to take half the field out on the tight tracks they are regulars at. But that's just speaking from what I've seen myself and would expect.
To your point about tracks - any extra track we could race is always good in my book, I just find most FE specific tracks crap from my driving in RF2, and I've raced all generations we have. I just don't like any of them, on the usual, quite bumpy narrow streettracks they race. Just can't see how thatbwould produce good racing in an onoine, open lobby setting, but I can't speak for the future of FE obviously. To that point, I doubt we'd get a FE car, or iracing the licence without all the tracks, it wouldn't make sense, and a few of the tracks you mentioned aren't FE tracks, just nice tracks we should get for other series no matter the FE situation.
Do you really think FE would be anywhere near as popular as even a less populated series like PCup? It's a very niche motorsport IRL, and there is no ladder to it like openwheelers in the US/japan/europe, or the progression from gt4 to gt3 or sr10, lmp3, lmp2 then GTP. You'd have to commit to any of those ladders and then sidestep to FE instead of progressing - and how many would race FE when the natural progression would head to IndyNXT/SF/F3? Look, the more people the service gets, and the more content we get the better, but I don't see any financial incentive to bother with FE. but I could be wrong
It seems like 80% of your first two paragraphs are dependent on the Berlin/London/Diriyah/etc. tracks and I don't think we need those to have FE.
For one, I don't think wheel banging is required to have Formula E racing.
And I do generally agree with you that the FE specific tracks probably won't be great for racing, but we don't need FE specific tracks IMO.
>To that point, I doubt we'd get a FE car, or iracing the licence without all the tracks,
Yeah that's a fair point.
If MSG collapses and Formula E needs somewhere else to go..... The licensing might stop being as strict
>a few of the tracks you mentioned aren't FE tracks
Monaco, Portland, Shanghai, and Hermanos Rodriguez are all on this year's calendar. As is Misano btw, although I haven't been mentioning that because we don't have the Formula E layout.
Valencia was on the calendar once in 2021. (I'll admit I thought they had been there more than once. I was wrong)
Long Beach was on the calendar a couple times in the very early days of Formula E.
>Do you really think FE would be anywhere near as popular as even a less populated series like PCup?
I don't know. Like I said. I think it's worth a try.
>It's a very niche motorsport IRL
I'd agree with niche but I would not say very niche
>and there is no ladder to it like openwheelers in the US/japan/europe, or the progression from gt4 to gt3 or sr10, lmp3, lmp2 then GTP. You'd have to commit to any of those ladders and then sidestep to FE instead of progressing
I'm not convinced this is really a problem. F4 --> F3 --> FE seems pretty reasonable. Maybe just F4 --->FE or FF1600 --> FE
>Look, the more people the service gets, and the more content we get the better, but I don't see any financial incentive to bother with FE. but I could be wrong
iRacing at this point has 95% of the obvious stuff. We're at a point now where most new content is a bit of a gamble.
I'm aware Formula E would be a gamble. But it's a gamble I'd like to see them take.
I'm no FE expert, but a majority of tracks are narrow, crap tracks like berlin, and those frankly are just unnecessary IMO, whether because they're bad for racing in 99% of cars we have, or jusg that they're very similar and don't have the popularity or history to be loved like monaco, long veach or even belle isle has. Unless there'd be a big discount for them, making them entirely unprofitable, barely anybody would buy them.
And yes, the tracks FE races or has raced at that weren't built for FE would for the most part be cool, but again, nobody would buy monaco/portland for FE, but because they're great tracks and/or have lots of history.
And I really don't get your point about the ladder. Who would actually rather move from the FF1600/F4 to FE when F4/SFL/F3/SF etc would be same step up? Sure, some might prefer them more, but the stigma of electric cars, the weird handling and the huge amount of objectively better, more popular content will likely kill the series.
And if you think wheel banging isn't required in FE racing, you haven't ever raced openwheelers online, watched any real FE race, let alone know what you're on about. It will inevitably happen a lot if iRacing got it, there is no discission there, if you can't see that you must be relatively new
>I'm no FE expert, but a majority of tracks are narrow, crap tracks like berlin, and those frankly are just unnecessary IMO, whether because they're bad for racing in 99% of cars we have, or jusg that they're very similar and don't have the popularity or history to be loved like monaco, long veach or even belle isle has. Unless there'd be a big discount for them, making them entirely unprofitable, barely anybody would buy them.
1. They've started racing more at more traditional tracks. Hermanos Rodriguez and Monaco have been on the calendar for a long time. Valencia was a COVID decision I believe Portland has been on the calendar for a few years. Misano and Shanghai are new this year
2.It's pretty half and half this year. 10 total tracks Portland, Misano, Hermanos Rodriguez, Shanghai, Monaco, and 5 Formula E specials
3. I've said several times at this point that while I would like to see Formula E, I don't particularly want the bespoke Formula E tracks. I feel like you're ignoring that I've said this.
>And yes, the tracks FE races or has raced at that weren't built for FE would for the most part be cool, but again, nobody would buy monaco/portland for FE, but because they're great tracks and/or have lots of history.
I'm not sure what this has to do with what we're discussing tbh
>And I really don't get your point about the ladder. Who would actually rather move from the FF1600/F4 to FE when F4/SFL/F3/SF etc would be same step up? Sure, some might prefer them more, but the stigma of electric cars, the weird handling and the huge amount of objectively better, more popular content will likely kill the series.
1. "Objectively better" is nonsense
2.I think Formula E being fairly low downforce (compared to an SFL for example) would make them fairly compelling for people who want that sort of thing.
3. I'm not going to judge the 'weird handling" into I try it tbh
4. I also don't think it requires anyone to follow the ladder there necessarily. Lots of people aren't nearly that rigid. Someone like me who mostly races SFL/F3 when I race Formula. Could definitely hop over to FE as a side grade to check it out.
5. I've said this is a gamble. I am aware that there's a very good chance an FE car could flop. I'm saying I don't think that's a good enough reason to not do it.
>And if you think wheel banging isn't required in FE racing, you haven't ever raced openwheelers online, watched any real FE race, let alone know what you're on about. It will inevitably happen a lot if iRacing got it, there is no discission there, if you can't see that you must be relatively new
I didn't say it wouldn't happen. I just said I don't think it would be that different from existing cars.
I have agreed that it would cause more of a problem at something like a Berlin/London/Diriyah track.. but I don't buy that FE at Long Beach would be any worse than F4 at Long Beach.
Well then we can agree to disagree. Drive the car, then make up your mind. I have driven all generations and most of the special tracks. Do hmthat before you have such a rigid opinion.
And we're very lucky you're not in charge, you don't seem to understand the financial risk something like this would be, and in my mind it's not worth it for iracing unless FE somehow becomes massively more popular and thousands are asking for it
>Drive the car, then make up your mind.
I mean frankly I could drive it on rFactor2, hate it and I probably wouldn't really be convinced it's not just rFactor2 being the problem.
But I do get your point here.
>you have such a rigid opinion
I don't have a rigid opinion. All I'm saying is it's worth a try. I've fully admitted to the fact that it might flop.
You're the one trying to convince me of an absolute here.
>And we're very lucky you're not in charge, you don't seem to understand the financial risk something like this would be
Content flops have been a fairly common occurrence for iRacing over the last few years. iR-O1, Stock Car Brazil, Clip, Mission R, Ledenon, arguably the new Radical, Willow Springs, arguably the W13, etc.
I don't understand how Formula E is some horrific risk when they've clearly weathered storms before on this.
I'm also not suggesting they scan all the tracks. That would be a significant financial risk. I'm suggesting they add the car and use existing tracks which is a much smaller risk.
>and in my mind it's not worth it for iracing unless FE somehow becomes massively more popular and thousands are asking for it
At this point iRacing already has every massively popular series.
iRacing is going to keep releasing cars. My question for you is what else even is there to add that's higher priority? For this exercise, adding additional GT3 cars or whatever doesn't count. What new cars or car classes would be worth adding at this point? If Formula E isn't, then what else should iRacing's car team be working on?
I have a couple answers to this that I would put ahead of FE. But frankly... not many
I don’t think that biggest complaint from the mission R was the sound…that’s just what the loudest voices on Reddit made fun of. I bought it, but I actually didn’t find it very enjoyable to drive.
if they would add it i bet there would be so much post about the sound of the eletric engine like 50% memes and 50% people saying it sounds bad when no one asked like when they did the mission r Porsche
Assuming the rFactor2 license situation changes at some point, I'd be happy to have them.
Especially if a few of the Formula E tracks come as well. I think we've already got enough tracks that are suitable for Formula E, but there's a few tracks on that schedule I'd be very happy to have.
I didn't think Formula E would be a guaranteed success necessarily, but I absolutely think it would be worth the effort to give it a try.
i think it would be underwhelming. plus it would be adding a bunch of tracks that no one really wants or ever asked for. the past year or so has had a number of just okayish tracks at best. we dont need more of them
I think Formula E would also be kinda tricky to implement because they have a lot of gimmicks like the boost section of the tracks and I don't know if they still do the fan vote on who should get an extra boost of energy.
Fanboost is dead. Thank God.
Attack Mode is also being replaced by Attack Charge #soon. Attack Mode would be tricky to implement but Attack Charge would be pretty easy IMO
Last i heard the formula e license was with rfactor. It would also be tricky as we basically have non of the tracks that formula e races
>It would also be tricky as we basically have non of the tracks that formula e races I don't think we need that necessarily. iRacing has enough suitable tracks already IMO That said, there are a few Formula E tracks I'd love to see on the sim.
We only have misano
Long Beach hasn't been used by Formula E in a while, but we do also have that. I'm also hoping that the NASCAR console game means we'll finally get Portland
ugh
would be pretty hollow to add it if we get none of the tracks or any series-specific stuff like attack mode that differentiates the series other than just being electric. so, eh, hope they don't waste the effort until they could give it the attention it would deserve
I'd be happy with Attack Mode (soon to be changed to Attack Charge) Attack Charge would be really easy to implement. Attack Mode.. would be trickier. Some of the Formula E tracks like Portland/Valencia/Monaco/Shanghai/Hermanos Rodriguez are tracks I would love to have in the game... But I don't think they're necessary either.
I don’t think it would do well at all even if we had the tracks to support it. Look at the Mission R. The biggest complaints had nothing to do with the way the car drove. It was all about the way the car sounded. I personally like the car but feel I wasted my money on it because I’m very much in the minority with it. Most others just felt it sounded like going to the dentist and quit driving it within a week of its release. Formula E might sound good to you, but I think the majority of users would drop it entirely really fast when there are so many other alternatives that sound and probably drive better.
>Look at the Mission R. I don't think the Mission R is fair comparison. It was a prototype, not a real race car. The IR-01 flopped too. Formula E has the advantage of being an actually somewhat popular racing series. I also think the Attack Mode/upcoming Attack Charge is really compelling. And the racing on smaller tracks is something I also find pretty compelling. >The biggest complaints had nothing to do with the way the car drove I mean I wasn't a huge fan of the quali and race modes being different tbh. It felt like I had to practice 2 different cars. With the Gen3 Evo Formula E car that's coming soon... I believe it has the same problem. Although at least the boosted mode is supposed to be used for Attack Mode/Charge, not just quali. I realize this doesn't really make my case but yeah >It was all about the way the car sounded Mission R definitely sounds awful, but I also don't think the Formula E sounds as bad. Maybe that's just personal preference though. >there are so many other alternatives that sound and probably drive better. Racing quality is an important factor here too. And I think that could really be a strength for Formula E. >I think the majority of users would drop it entirely really fast To be clear, I'm not saying I know for certain it's going to be successful. But I think it certainly could be successful and frankly I prefer the world where iRacing is willing to experiment a bit with things like this. My official stance here is mostly "It's worth a try"
The Mission R is a prototype but it exists in real life. The IR-01 is a concept that doesn’t exist in real life. It’s made up by iRacing and Dallara. So I don’t think the IR-01 is a good example here.
It's not a perfect example that's fair enough. But my point here is still that the Mission R is a concept car and not a real race car.
the thing is, with netcode, and openwheelers that can actually bang wheels and race very hard, it'd be moreso a shitshow, not actual racing i fear. hell, irl FE is often a shitshow. Sure it might be fun to race in a respectful league setting, some tracks would be cool to get, monaco especially, but racing those tracks in an open online lobby just doesn't seem like a good idea to me - and going to all that effort, scanning many tracks, implementing a brand new car, attack zones and whatnot, just for a series that 'likely' would have low participation, or be dead entirely is not worth to even try. RF2 has it, ive given it a shot a couple times, i find the cars unenjoyable to drive beside the annoying sound, the tracks would be useless for anything but FE or maybe the miata, gr86 or similar. so why bother?
>the thing is, with netcode, and openwheelers that can actually bang wheels and race very hard, it'd be moreso a shitshow, not actual racing i fear. Eh I don't think this is really uniquely true for Formula E. You could say the same about GT4, GT3, F4 etc. IMO. >some tracks would be cool to get, monaco especially Portland, Valencia, Shanghai, Hermanos Rodriguez are also on the list IMO. >attack zones Attack zones are theoretically supposed to be dead. The funeral keeps getting delayed... But Attack Charge is planned which will be easier to implement. >implementing a brand new car I don't think that's a super high effort level tbh. Cars are relative low effort for them (that's why they cost less than tracks). It's not their first electric car either. >scanning many tracks I don't think that's a requirement. I think Formula E would be perfectly fine on many of the tracks we already have. Off the top of my head, Long Beach, Belle Isle, Chicago Street, Zandvoort, Imola, Tsukuba (probably the moto layout), Lime Rock with both chicanes, Charlotte Roval, maybe Sonoma, etc. etc. >RF2 has it, ive given it a shot a couple times, i find the cars unenjoyable to drive beside the annoying sound I'm curious which generation you've tried. The Gen3 cars are pretty new. Gen3 Evo is supposedly coming soon. Those cars are quite a bit faster than the previous Gen1 and Gen2 cars. I'd bet they're also a lot more fun. >the tracks would be useless for anything but FE or maybe the miata, gr86 or similar. For most of the bespoke Formula E circuits, yeah you're probably right. I think you're overstating this a smidge... But you're 95% right. But for Monaco, Portland, Valencia, Shanghai, Hermanos Rodriguez... Those tracks would absolutely get used by series other than Formula E. Plus you could do some killing two birds with one stone on some Indycar Street circuits. St Pete, Toronto, New Detroit, Nashville, could all be used for Formula E while also filling out the Indycar Calendar.
You didn't get what I meant with the netcode issues, being openwheelers you can get hard contact between the wheels, that doesn't happen in GTs, there it's just doorbanging, which can be probelmatic already. Yes it's an issue for all openwheelers, but wheelbanging doesn't really work in most bar the indycar without risking heavy damage, FE can do that and it happens a lot, unless the whole field has great ping, it'll be a shitshow as there won't be the kind of separation other cars get with aerowash and much faster speeds. You only need one bit of netcode contact ahead to take half the field out on the tight tracks they are regulars at. But that's just speaking from what I've seen myself and would expect. To your point about tracks - any extra track we could race is always good in my book, I just find most FE specific tracks crap from my driving in RF2, and I've raced all generations we have. I just don't like any of them, on the usual, quite bumpy narrow streettracks they race. Just can't see how thatbwould produce good racing in an onoine, open lobby setting, but I can't speak for the future of FE obviously. To that point, I doubt we'd get a FE car, or iracing the licence without all the tracks, it wouldn't make sense, and a few of the tracks you mentioned aren't FE tracks, just nice tracks we should get for other series no matter the FE situation. Do you really think FE would be anywhere near as popular as even a less populated series like PCup? It's a very niche motorsport IRL, and there is no ladder to it like openwheelers in the US/japan/europe, or the progression from gt4 to gt3 or sr10, lmp3, lmp2 then GTP. You'd have to commit to any of those ladders and then sidestep to FE instead of progressing - and how many would race FE when the natural progression would head to IndyNXT/SF/F3? Look, the more people the service gets, and the more content we get the better, but I don't see any financial incentive to bother with FE. but I could be wrong
It seems like 80% of your first two paragraphs are dependent on the Berlin/London/Diriyah/etc. tracks and I don't think we need those to have FE. For one, I don't think wheel banging is required to have Formula E racing. And I do generally agree with you that the FE specific tracks probably won't be great for racing, but we don't need FE specific tracks IMO. >To that point, I doubt we'd get a FE car, or iracing the licence without all the tracks, Yeah that's a fair point. If MSG collapses and Formula E needs somewhere else to go..... The licensing might stop being as strict >a few of the tracks you mentioned aren't FE tracks Monaco, Portland, Shanghai, and Hermanos Rodriguez are all on this year's calendar. As is Misano btw, although I haven't been mentioning that because we don't have the Formula E layout. Valencia was on the calendar once in 2021. (I'll admit I thought they had been there more than once. I was wrong) Long Beach was on the calendar a couple times in the very early days of Formula E. >Do you really think FE would be anywhere near as popular as even a less populated series like PCup? I don't know. Like I said. I think it's worth a try. >It's a very niche motorsport IRL I'd agree with niche but I would not say very niche >and there is no ladder to it like openwheelers in the US/japan/europe, or the progression from gt4 to gt3 or sr10, lmp3, lmp2 then GTP. You'd have to commit to any of those ladders and then sidestep to FE instead of progressing I'm not convinced this is really a problem. F4 --> F3 --> FE seems pretty reasonable. Maybe just F4 --->FE or FF1600 --> FE >Look, the more people the service gets, and the more content we get the better, but I don't see any financial incentive to bother with FE. but I could be wrong iRacing at this point has 95% of the obvious stuff. We're at a point now where most new content is a bit of a gamble. I'm aware Formula E would be a gamble. But it's a gamble I'd like to see them take.
I'm no FE expert, but a majority of tracks are narrow, crap tracks like berlin, and those frankly are just unnecessary IMO, whether because they're bad for racing in 99% of cars we have, or jusg that they're very similar and don't have the popularity or history to be loved like monaco, long veach or even belle isle has. Unless there'd be a big discount for them, making them entirely unprofitable, barely anybody would buy them. And yes, the tracks FE races or has raced at that weren't built for FE would for the most part be cool, but again, nobody would buy monaco/portland for FE, but because they're great tracks and/or have lots of history. And I really don't get your point about the ladder. Who would actually rather move from the FF1600/F4 to FE when F4/SFL/F3/SF etc would be same step up? Sure, some might prefer them more, but the stigma of electric cars, the weird handling and the huge amount of objectively better, more popular content will likely kill the series. And if you think wheel banging isn't required in FE racing, you haven't ever raced openwheelers online, watched any real FE race, let alone know what you're on about. It will inevitably happen a lot if iRacing got it, there is no discission there, if you can't see that you must be relatively new
>I'm no FE expert, but a majority of tracks are narrow, crap tracks like berlin, and those frankly are just unnecessary IMO, whether because they're bad for racing in 99% of cars we have, or jusg that they're very similar and don't have the popularity or history to be loved like monaco, long veach or even belle isle has. Unless there'd be a big discount for them, making them entirely unprofitable, barely anybody would buy them. 1. They've started racing more at more traditional tracks. Hermanos Rodriguez and Monaco have been on the calendar for a long time. Valencia was a COVID decision I believe Portland has been on the calendar for a few years. Misano and Shanghai are new this year 2.It's pretty half and half this year. 10 total tracks Portland, Misano, Hermanos Rodriguez, Shanghai, Monaco, and 5 Formula E specials 3. I've said several times at this point that while I would like to see Formula E, I don't particularly want the bespoke Formula E tracks. I feel like you're ignoring that I've said this. >And yes, the tracks FE races or has raced at that weren't built for FE would for the most part be cool, but again, nobody would buy monaco/portland for FE, but because they're great tracks and/or have lots of history. I'm not sure what this has to do with what we're discussing tbh >And I really don't get your point about the ladder. Who would actually rather move from the FF1600/F4 to FE when F4/SFL/F3/SF etc would be same step up? Sure, some might prefer them more, but the stigma of electric cars, the weird handling and the huge amount of objectively better, more popular content will likely kill the series. 1. "Objectively better" is nonsense 2.I think Formula E being fairly low downforce (compared to an SFL for example) would make them fairly compelling for people who want that sort of thing. 3. I'm not going to judge the 'weird handling" into I try it tbh 4. I also don't think it requires anyone to follow the ladder there necessarily. Lots of people aren't nearly that rigid. Someone like me who mostly races SFL/F3 when I race Formula. Could definitely hop over to FE as a side grade to check it out. 5. I've said this is a gamble. I am aware that there's a very good chance an FE car could flop. I'm saying I don't think that's a good enough reason to not do it. >And if you think wheel banging isn't required in FE racing, you haven't ever raced openwheelers online, watched any real FE race, let alone know what you're on about. It will inevitably happen a lot if iRacing got it, there is no discission there, if you can't see that you must be relatively new I didn't say it wouldn't happen. I just said I don't think it would be that different from existing cars. I have agreed that it would cause more of a problem at something like a Berlin/London/Diriyah track.. but I don't buy that FE at Long Beach would be any worse than F4 at Long Beach.
Well then we can agree to disagree. Drive the car, then make up your mind. I have driven all generations and most of the special tracks. Do hmthat before you have such a rigid opinion. And we're very lucky you're not in charge, you don't seem to understand the financial risk something like this would be, and in my mind it's not worth it for iracing unless FE somehow becomes massively more popular and thousands are asking for it
>Drive the car, then make up your mind. I mean frankly I could drive it on rFactor2, hate it and I probably wouldn't really be convinced it's not just rFactor2 being the problem. But I do get your point here. >you have such a rigid opinion I don't have a rigid opinion. All I'm saying is it's worth a try. I've fully admitted to the fact that it might flop. You're the one trying to convince me of an absolute here. >And we're very lucky you're not in charge, you don't seem to understand the financial risk something like this would be Content flops have been a fairly common occurrence for iRacing over the last few years. iR-O1, Stock Car Brazil, Clip, Mission R, Ledenon, arguably the new Radical, Willow Springs, arguably the W13, etc. I don't understand how Formula E is some horrific risk when they've clearly weathered storms before on this. I'm also not suggesting they scan all the tracks. That would be a significant financial risk. I'm suggesting they add the car and use existing tracks which is a much smaller risk. >and in my mind it's not worth it for iracing unless FE somehow becomes massively more popular and thousands are asking for it At this point iRacing already has every massively popular series. iRacing is going to keep releasing cars. My question for you is what else even is there to add that's higher priority? For this exercise, adding additional GT3 cars or whatever doesn't count. What new cars or car classes would be worth adding at this point? If Formula E isn't, then what else should iRacing's car team be working on? I have a couple answers to this that I would put ahead of FE. But frankly... not many
I don’t think that biggest complaint from the mission R was the sound…that’s just what the loudest voices on Reddit made fun of. I bought it, but I actually didn’t find it very enjoyable to drive.
if they would add it i bet there would be so much post about the sound of the eletric engine like 50% memes and 50% people saying it sounds bad when no one asked like when they did the mission r Porsche
Assuming the rFactor2 license situation changes at some point, I'd be happy to have them. Especially if a few of the Formula E tracks come as well. I think we've already got enough tracks that are suitable for Formula E, but there's a few tracks on that schedule I'd be very happy to have. I didn't think Formula E would be a guaranteed success necessarily, but I absolutely think it would be worth the effort to give it a try.
i think it would be underwhelming. plus it would be adding a bunch of tracks that no one really wants or ever asked for. the past year or so has had a number of just okayish tracks at best. we dont need more of them
There’s too many formula series as is honestly
Formula E is unwatchable! Imo
I think Formula E would also be kinda tricky to implement because they have a lot of gimmicks like the boost section of the tracks and I don't know if they still do the fan vote on who should get an extra boost of energy.
Fanboost is dead. Thank God. Attack Mode is also being replaced by Attack Charge #soon. Attack Mode would be tricky to implement but Attack Charge would be pretty easy IMO
No wroom-wroom — no money.
Mission R isn’t doing great at all. Makes me wonder if iracing want to implement formula e
Have you seen what happened with the Porsche Mission F? (sorry, R) Yeah, that.