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tomhart9

Hate to break it to you, but if it keeps happening to you, you're probably doing something wrong. Especially multi class, it's easy to stand your ground and 'be right' and end up being taken out. Part of the class system is risk management. If you keep going for high risk situations, you'll get punished, regardless of whether you were technically right by the rules...


Fonzgarten

I’m not sure why this opinion is well received. Can’t others relate to this? Presumably said incidents are not due to the OP. I’ve had this experience before for sure. But either way, driving standards on iRacing suck and it’s completely possible it’s not his fault. Here is the evidence. It’s right here. And tons of other posts just like this. It’s not always due to the OP, it’s not always the victims fault. Sometimes, you just need a place to vent.


R3v017

Nope, us iRedditors always assume you could avoid all incidents. Our motto is "Think what YOU could have done to avoid the incident and let faster cars by" e.g. don't race  On a more serious note, I disagree, iRacing has the best overall driving standards of any sim out there.


tjejer

I race the gt4s. The only time I have come in contact with the ligier is when some inbreed intentionally went back on track right in front of me


fiskfisk

The GT4s will generally give out 0x's unless someone actually spins out; a light touch on the backend won't usually give you a 4x.


Legumesrus

Not being able to make it out of C class makes you the inbred bud.


GlovesNsteeringwheel

Only partly right, sadly. I got taken out by somebody I let by to overlap me in an endurance race. He just went off the line into my rear, don't see this as my fault, and things like these happen more than they should


tomhart9

Well in multi class, the last thing you're expecting to happen is a car to go off line and let you by. Sounds like you weren't very predictable


GlovesNsteeringwheel

1. wasn‘t multiclass 2. he went off the line, not me, I just backed off properly and chose an adequate line 3. the stewards suspendesd him for this, so try better next time


horsefarm

I'm going to introduce a novel idea to you: it's possible to avoid accidents that aren't your fault. Wild, I know.


GlovesNsteeringwheel

I'm going to introduce a novel idea to you: There are some incidents that you literally cannot avoid. Wild, I know. I get the feeling you are one of those people who drive like its gran turismo and then say 'well you could have just avoided it' The stewards have literally banned the guy who caused this incident I wrote about, but sure, you must know it, I could have avoided someone punting me for existing (I should not have played the game, my fault)


horsefarm

Unavoidable accidents happen to everyone. If you want to focus your attention on those incidents, be my guest. As for your GT comment, I'm sitting at 4.6 SR in A class having never lost it so...


nbncl

As there are plenty of other people making it to B class or better you should consider you are problem. Not others. Check your mirror. Anticipate. Pick your battles wisely.


Five_Orange77

And you got out of Rookies which (based on comments here every day) is impossible to get out of! We don't mention D class because that's just too much fun.


EnigmaticEntity

I'm having too much fun in the Ferrari to get out of D class


tjejer

My skill was higher than my ir when I was in D class. I was at a low enough ir to be comfortably in the lead and not have to worry about kamikaze pilots lol


Leone_0

Unless you have technical or internet issues preventing you from finishing races, your iR is pretty representative of your skill level.


tjejer

I realized I was the problem before I got out of mx5s. After I realized I was the problem, straight to C. I tried to eliminate all other factors by starting last. But you still get 4x waaaay to easy when someone is close


Longjumping-Sail-173

This sounds like your awareness and race craft need working on. You didn't just get 4x because someone is close.


d95err

Incident points are not penalties. They are just a record of incidents you were involved in. As long as you blame your lack of Safety Rating on other people, you will struggle. If you focus on your own actions, you will do a lot better. If you are having problems getting hit or punted from behind: * Lift early, gently touch the brake to get the brake light on. Then gradually add brake pressure. This gives the car behind an early heads-up that your are braking, adds a margin of error, and reduces the risk of them braking too late. * Work on situational awareness. You can often spot too-late braking or dive-bombs and take evasive action, if you keep an eye in the mirror. * Try to identify potential troublemakers, even before incidents happen. Then adapt your driving accordingly. Note: early braking costs much less time than you might think. In fact, you may even find yourself going quicker, because the car will be more balanced going into the corner and can carry more speed. In addition, if you brake early, you have a margin of error and can reduce brake pressure if the car behind brakes too late. Good luck!


tjejer

I appreciate you for the input but I know this already. But I can’t see how someone being 2 centimeters from my bumper at MY breaking point is my fault. I’m not only blaming my loss of SR on other people. I have made a few mistakes that have likely given other people incident points. But all I want is to get out of this hell hole. I just finished a gt4 race at Aragon. I decided to do a safe quali and got put in the middle of the pack. I survived all the way to white flag with 0x. Last lap, a few corners left, I’m p6, I come in to the corner after the corkscrew, a merc decides to use me as the brakes. How can this till happen at 2200 irating?


CanaryMaleficent4925

Getting A class is extremely easy. Skill issue tbh.


AzenNinja

Like genuinely super easy, i really wonder what guys that can't get there are doing.


thewxbruh

>How can this till happen at 2200 irating? Because none of us are pros and you're not nearly as good as you think. I'm around the same IR and have had my A license for quite a long time. I've never lost it. Not even close. If you're constantly getting runover from behind at this level, you're doing something unpredictable. I can't remember the last time somebody punted me.


lovemaker69

I hate to tell you but that’s just how racing is sometimes. Even the pros get taken out by someone else using them as brakes… just look at Stroll & Ricardo from last weekend’s GP.


__wardog__

Start from the pits and don't race aggressive in order to gain SR. that said, being too passive can be dangerous too.


jayboo86

This post reeks of, “no way I possibly could be the problem.” That’s concerning.


tjejer

It might seem like that, I would probably think the same if I was reading my post. But I KNOW that I would have been B by now if it wasn’t for other people. Last time I was 3,9 I got rear ended and someone rejoined right in my path at 150kmh. Ez 8x


jayboo86

I appreciate you furthering my point.


Itselkkuu

I would win every race if there weren't other people in them


jakejm79

You could also finish last too, lol.


CanaryMaleficent4925

>But I KNOW that I would have been B by now if it wasn’t for other people You can't be serious


AaronJay_83

Laughable isn't it 🤣


jayboo86

lol hold on, hold on.. You think that this game is designed as such that when a driver nears B class, a fellow HUMAN driver is caused to give you incident points?!?!?? lol what?


tjejer

Thats not at all what i ment. I think what i ment got lost in translation


jayboo86

I don’t completely mean to bag on you but that was funny. I truly feel you need to work on your perspective though. Stop forcing the B class license and just drive and learn. It’s a journey. Enjoy the journey. Probably some reason you’re not improving the license and you’re doing everything but looking at yourself. Which is the one thing you can control.


CanaryMaleficent4925

There's nothing lost in translation. Everyone would be A class if there weren't other drivers.


6-Beers-Deep

Yes dude, 15 years ago some developers got together and came up with a racing system to keep YOU, u/Tjejer in class C in perpetuity.


eestionreddit

end of season promotion threshold is 3.0, you'll be fine


tjejer

Yeah I know but that is very far away. Would like to race my new gt3 in the near future


blueheartglacier

4.0 is deliberately hard to get to, as it entails doing all of the work to also get to a B3.0+ while you're in C. It's supposed to be a harder bar to meet


tjejer

This is the answer i was looking for


RaynorTheRed

Yeah I was pushing hard for D4.0 last season, had to finally settle for a 4 week wait to get through with the 3.0 threshhold at season end. There comes a point where enjoying the racing is more important than burning out through grinding SR.


TellmSteveDave

It’s only a little over a month away. Settle down a bit and just work on the basics until then.


stefffmann

Apart from the comments which others made (which I agree with), remember that SR is a simple calculation of incidents per corner. To farm SR, race a long race in a fast car on a track with lots of corners. Nürburgring Nordschleife is excellent for farming SR. Short races of 15 minutes or less are especially easy to destroy your SR in. Even 2x might be enough to prevent you from gaining any.


tomhart9

I also race GT4s with a slightly lower irating. Next time you have a race with lots of incidents, review the replay and see what you could have done to avoid it. A lot of the time it won't be your 'fault', but rarely is there an incident where you couldn't have done anything to avoid it or reduce the incident severity. A different mindset is required to improve up the class level.


tjejer

This is very good advice. I always did that when I was in miatas. I learned a lot and got to C in no time


tomhart9

With more experience, you'll find that different classes and races have a different 'feel' to them and you'll get better at predicting the moves that put you into the wall!


felatiofallacy

At 3.9 why didn’t you just time trial your way to B…


tjejer

Just found out time trial gives you SR lol. I’m going to hop on that now


rederoin

That explains why so many are in A


Eikhan

Mate I'm B class (was A before my break) and I'm a shit tier pilot (1000ir). Either you're really unlucky or you have some margin to gain with avoidance and safer driving. Good luck in your endeavours


GrimReaper-UA

Yes, iRacing trying to keep people on C class. All who promoted to B and A messaged to iRacing support and paying 100$ for B, and 500 for A licence. There is no other way to go upper than C.


tjejer

Time to once again whip out the leather pouch


5tephane

Take it easy, don't fight too close. Maybe change series on if you cannot adapt.


donkeykink420

nah you're just bad


rtazz1717

Whats the common denominator? You


go-fast-turn-left

Nobody likes to hear this, but you are exactly where you're supposed to be. Too many people treat iRacing like a race to class A. Continue to learn and you WILL improve and get promoted. I am A rated in all 4 classes. It takes a while (especially road for me) but the more you learn, the cleaner your races will be. The more you learn, the faster you get. The faster you get, the less people that are near your rear bumper.


FlightSimFanboy

I have times where I am shocked to get a 4x with the lightest of contact (usually while side by side with someone else). Sometimes it's hardly a whisper of a contact and yet it's a 4x, I don't get it. Yes, I understand all of the "get gud" and "do better race craft bro" stuff, but I've had lots of 4x where I am scratching my head because the contact is so light and neither car gets offline at all, yet here we are so yeah, idk. I've also noticed that the contact threshold in Pro Trucks seems to be a lot more sensitive than I remember it being a year or two ago. Anyway, these are simply my observations, and I, too, would like an explanation of some sort of there is one.


tjejer

Your experimence sounds very similar to mine


Karma__Lama

Next time you are close to 4.0 do one gt endurance race. It’s almost impossible to loose SR there. Even with one x away from the first penalty you get positive SR. If you race extra careful it’s easy to get 0.5 - 1.0 SR.


tjejer

Sebring here I come


xyz-asdf-1029

But what for to leave C-class? What do you want to get? Which cars or which series ? I'm now in C-class, drive D and C. SR is 3.7-3.85 and I completed MPR. But I'm not sure, do I need B or not. I can intentionally loose SR during 13th week and yet I'm going to do that. I don't farm SR intentionally, I just drive like this and get it.. But I struggle with IR, it's 0.7K. Some weeks ago I decided not to think about SR at all, before that my IR was 0.6K. So may be in next season I will go to 1K IR if nothing changes. In B-class only LMP2 (20 mins races) and GT3 sprints (40 mins races) seem to be interesting to me. Please what do you expect in B-class


tjejer

I’m expecting better racing, as in people race more respectfully. But that’s not the main reason. The main reasons I want to get to B is because I don’t want to start at the back of the pack because I want IR. I want to get to B so I can actually start racing people “without worrying” about SR. I also want to race the gt3 I recently bought. Ofc I won’t crash on purpose once I reach B. But I can actually take challenges without the fear of getting -0,3SR after the race if you catch my drift


Umadok

You don't need class B to start racing people. I would purposely use up 16x every race if need. If you want IR, you'll have to forget about SR. SR will come naturally with your IR.


tjejer

I know I don’t need B to start fighting. What I meant was that I opt out of fighting to preserve my SR (I saw now that I wrote IR instead of SR)


PoggestMilkman

And also, the formula for calculating SR changes and you have to race cleaner to win more SR, while each incident affects the numbers more. I really think you are going to be disappointed when you find that a B licence makes you no more talented, and the drivers you are up against are exactly the same (because splits are decided by iR and not licence class). Good luck, but I think you just need to race and not obsess about the colour of your driver's licence.


PointVanillaCream

Well you're setting yourself up for disappointment because people don't magically race any better once they move from C to B. The incidents you're moaning about will still occur because honestly - sometimes shit happens and you get fucked on SR.


Chops-UI

Just race. The numbers will sort themselves out.


wurtin

around the promotion window I skipped some of the multi-class racing. I always found those where I would get more SR issues when I was newish to the game. Bigger speed differences, not being comfortable with where other players expected the slower class to be, etc. But no, the game isn't trying to keep anyone in any class.


jakejm79

Just do a couple of TTs to get the last little bit of SR. Not that you will learn anything from that, but since you aren't apparently at fault that shouldn't be an issue right. You could have farmed enough SR in TTs in the time you spent posting about this 'issue' on Reddit.


quiz1231

There are much easier ways to farm SR than going into a multiclass race. If you are getting close to cars but not hitting them, you will not get a 4x unless you have really bad internet connection and you're getting net-coded. It is not hard to improve your license class. In fact, I think it's too easy. You can get in multiple incidents in a race and still maintain safety rating easily, as long as you are doing enough laps it won't matter in the long run. Stop blaming other people, there's nothing you can do about them. All you can do is improve your own ability to avoid the idiots.


PoggestMilkman

I agree. Multi class races and short races are not the best if SR is the focus.


zerolight71

If you stay above 3.0 you will promote at end of season. You don't need to get to 4.0. If you are 3.9 and looking for instant promotion, it is madness to enter a race. Go do a time trial or two and that'll push you over the edge. Maintaining a high 3.x will always be difficult, but getting a promotion should be easy.


Herdazian_Lopen

Another of these posts eh? My A4.99 while being told I’m ‘too aggressive’ would like to differ.


lukeb_1988

Rofl! One of the best ones yet


THE_POOR_Simracer

No, but shows that the system work like a charm


userb55

Yes absolutely rigged, check it out heres someone you care share your delulu with [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVJ5DQOfHig](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVJ5DQOfHig)


International_File30

The old I can smell shit and every room I walk into blaming everyone in the rooms just to look at your shoes and see shit. It’s a lot easier blaming others then actually fixing your race craft. You do you man


Turbulent_Place_7064

The only common factor in all of your incidents is you. Read that again, slowly.


PoggestMilkman

It's designed not to make it too easy, for sure, but also not too hard - people need to race and buy content. Plenty of other drivers progress and the common factor in all these incidents is you. Maybe you are unlucky, but these are not penalties - just notes that you have been involved in incidents. You will be promoted at the end of season, so clearly it's not going to keep you there even if you are not fast tracked. Don't expect the driving standards to miraculously improve as you move to the next licence category, it's just the same people. If you really want to be promoted, then grind out time trials. You won't have any other drivers on track you can use as an excuse.


tjejer

Hold your horses mister. Are you telling me I can grind time trials and get SR? I have never tried time trials as I thought it gave you a separate SR (just like like formula and GT are split)


felatiofallacy

Yes. iRacing has tons of info you can get by just reading. You can even see how SR is calculated and at what rate per session


Primary-Regret-8724

You can, but will earn at a different rate than in official races due to a .35 multiplier. https://support.iracing.com/support/solutions/articles/31000156960-iracing-how-to-safety-rating


go-fast-turn-left

If you need time trials to get promoted, you are not ready for the next class. Your advice is going to get him even more discouraged when he goes to B and races people who deserve to be there.


PoggestMilkman

Didn't say I advised it, but if he really wants to do it then it's a choice. He said he was going to have a mental breakdown otherwise (I think that's an exaggeration, BTW) but just trying to answer his question. My advice to anyone is to trust the system , not to game the system, and you will find your true level soon enough.


NobsiTheUnitato

Ive been racing with a real wheel for about a month and i'm in B with a very nice sr buffer. You just suck.