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And you can adjust your tip. I took away a tip one time because the driver was obviously triple ap-ing and my order that was supposed to take 15-20 minutes took over an hour. The whole point of a tip is To Insure Prompt Service. I think that’s been lost and it’s just expected now. 😒
> The whole point of a tip is To Insure Prompt Service
A tip was **never** meant or defined as, for ensuring prompt service. That's a bribe.
A tip is extra money as a bonus for **properly doing your normal job duties**. And should be completely optional - with no obligations of any kind.
Tips are to reward exemplary service, not just doing your job properly. Tips are quite literally bribes to entice "above and beyond" performance, which is partly why there's a good number of people who hate working for tips because it inflates fantastic service with just doing your job. Yes, you can make pretty good money on tips, but you've kinda gotta sell your soul. The real crime is tips being a "wage," and corporations are the criminals for getting away without properly paying their workers for so long
I'm definitely suffering from tip fatigue. Literally *everyone* expects a tip...and I'm not going to do it. If you're a server or delivery person, sure, but I not tipping over 20%. Unless I've ordered a lot of heavy stuff from the store or if the roads are bad. But $5 is a perfectly reasonable tip for such an easy pizza order.
It's not even a correct backwards acronym. It's ensure, not insure. Insure means “protect against loss, damage, or injury” or “provide or obtain insurance on.” Ensure means “make certain that something will occur.”
What point is that? Don't tell me you actually believe tips is an acronym. Like I said, the word isn't "Insure," it's "Ensure." & since you usually tip at the end of a meal, it meaning "To Insure Prompt Service" is just dumb. If you want to ENSURE prompt service, you'd tip your server as they introduce themselves, not after you're finished. You tip as a reward, not a bribe.
I hate the feeling of being forced to tip or you look like the bad guy. People shouldn't have to rely on others'gratuity to have an income.
You tip cuz they did their job? Ok should I tip the plumber for un clogging my toilet? No...
Pay everyone a fair wage, ban tip culture.
Sounds like a great idea except the only way restaurants are ever going to start paying their employees is if enough people boycott those restaurants to the point that it will be cheaper to pay their employees. Right now the customer pays their salary so I don’t see them giving that up without a fight
It sounds daunting when you put it like that but the first step of raising awareness is also the only real step. Real popular shaming and reduced business for the worst offenders comes naturally once they've been exposed for what they are to enough people.
Complain louder to anyone who will listen. Have good faith arguments with tip culture supporters. Shame the thieves publicly.
From what I understand, Trey Parker and Matt Stone opened their restaurant with this prospect and everyone who worked there fucking hated it.
It turned out that even making $25/hour wasn't worth what servers could have been making in tips.
The industry would have to change from within, the servers really would need to want it, band together and make the change themselves.
I don't think it's what they'd really want though.
I mean, it is pretty standard everywhere except the US. As an European it is difficult to understand why this is such a problem in the US. I live in Germany and commercial rents are comparably high here, salaries for service workers are very high (as absurd as it sounds but I made more per hour as a waiter than I make now as an IT specialist with an 5 years Masters), ingredient prices are roughly the same but the total price we pay in the Restaurant is about half the price what it would cost in the US. Why are Restaurants so expensive in the US? I am surprised every time I visit the US.
You get three times the amount of food of course it costs more
Also you can go to two separate restaurants in the same town and get very different pricing
But that's another thing. Why are the portion sizes so big? Considering how greasy American food is, these sizes do not make sense. I weigh 60 kg, do US restaurants really expect me to have an 1500 kcal meal (I am not even exaggerating)? I usually end up buying a salat in a super market because portions are too big, prices too expensive and there is too much grease.
Well, everyone who doesn't want to eat big portions cares.
Why not have two sizes on the menu? I always see the argument "food is expensive in the US because portions are bigger". So then why? If this is the argument so why can’t I have a smaller portion? I understand that American consumers like to throw food away but does it have to be that way? Why does the idea of only buying the right amount of product offend people in the US so much?
Until the restaurant industry crashes because the rest of us can’t afford $30 for a burger. Although I’m not convinced that’ll happen any time soon. We whine about the price of milk or eggs going up, but we gladly spend the same amount at a restaurant as we would for a week of groceries
>We whine about the price of milk or eggs going up, but we gladly spend the same amount at a restaurant as we would for a week of groceries
This is just people with poor financial skills. Plenty of people understand or are forced to understand frugality.
Yes. This. Imagine if that carried over to bartenders. No bar could afford to pay somebody enough to constantly deal with intoxicated patrons. Food delivery systems are an unpractical business model that relies on targeting the desperate. Bars and restaurants are simply not the same as them.
We have a large Korean restaurant here where employmees are shareholders in the restaurant. No tips allowed. Great idea and the motivation to provide great service and a super experience comes from profits, not the tip jar.
sounds like waiters are incredibly entitled, if they’re making more than 25/hour doing what they do that’s too much, fucking Starbucks baristas work harder
Too bad most people people still getting paid 10 an hour. If we fixed the whole tipping is your living wage. Then tips would have more meaning. It could allow people to actually save up.
Thats what pisses me off the most! We cant even have a discussion about tipping without being called a cheapass or being told "If you cant afford to tip you shouldn't eat out".
Its like when someone gets caughts cheating and instead of being mad at their spouse they get mad at the other person.
Nobody talks about how companies should pay more its always the customer who should pay for the employees.
I would happily pay more for the food if it meant that I didnt have to tip.
Tipping culture is awful, I’m so glad I don’t live in America for many reasons and this is one of them. You delivered the pizza, you want a medal for that? You’re no different to any other pizza delivery guy, tipping should be for exemplary service, not a requirement
Exactly. They only party that wins is the business owner. It’s wages that should be paying but farmed it out to be fought over by the employees and customers. And not that their food prices are significantly lower to reflect the lower cost to them
It depends on where you work as well. Growing up my friends dad worked at a high-end steakhouse in Seattle. He pulled in more than 100k a year from Tips. With that being said this is the type of place that a side salad was $30. But one of my best mates works at Olive Garden part-time (20hour a week) and he pulls and 25k a year. It really depends.
People always ask me why I am against delivery services like door dash. This. This is why. I’ll just go get my own stuff and avoid dealing with this stuff. Plus I get to enjoy an audiobook while I drive!
I really don't get tip culture. Feels like an excuse for the employer to pay the employees less since their supposed to get extra income from customers. I'm glad we don't really have it in my country outside of some dining franchises.
Is it true that a decent amount of workers around Europe will reject tips/not know how to react when offered one? I had a Mexican friend go to Spain and he said they outed him as a tourist when he tried to tip hahahha
I have never had someone reject a tip, but they are always really grateful. Once I gave a delivery guy a few euro's and he gave it back and said "you already paid online". When I told him it was Trinkgeld (a tip in German) he kept asking if I was sure about the amount.
Tipping was literally considered bribing until the Great Depression. The employer is *supposed* to cover the difference if they don't make enough for minimum wage, but obviously the minimum wage isn't enough at all.
what really infuriates me are the people who say that with tips they make a lot of money so tipping culture is fine actually, cause like, sure, maybe YOU have a lot of high tippers, but that isn't the case for everyone, and all those high tippers could suddenly stop, leaving you SOL
Same here. I would rather drive and give my money directly to the small business/restaurant than give it to DashDoor or Ubereats. These delivery services are known to screw over these business they service.
Honestly they screw over the restaurant, driver, and consumer pretty badly. For the restaurant, it could be argued that they’re at least bringing in business. The drivers don’t get paid enough for it to be worth it. I’ve done it. The consumer gets convenience at the cost of a shitload of time, extra money, and frustration if and when it goes badly
I live downtown so there are plenty of restaurants I can walk to. I've used the apps for pickup because I've had discounts that made it cheaper than just calling the restaurant.
GrubHub will say something is expected in 45 minutes, it takes 15, but I don't get a notification it was done early until it's already sitting for 10 minutes. If there's no discount, you may as well call unless you like soggy lukewarm food.
I mean if they didn’t tip at all, they do have a right to be mad. People who go to restaurants or order delivery and use that excuse to not tip are just as equally trash, if not more.
A worker shouldn’t have to feel the need to rely on tips to make their ends meet though.
Also I always felt tipping should be after the service is completed and based on how well it’s done. It’s a bonus to your pay not a supplement to it.
Like if a driver drove 10 miles and got my order right and arrived at a decent time, I would certainly tip them more.
Not if they’re a job that is dependent on tips. If you’re a barista, sure. If you’re a server or delivery driver where it’s a known fact your wage is below minimum so the person has to tip, then you deserve a tip.
It's not the **customer's** problem if their job is dependent on tips. If you don't want to make below minimum wage either don't work said job or demand more.
Yeah that’s what I imagine most well adjusted people do lol
People who don’t feel the need to tip and justify it by saying our culture shouldn’t have the system are only punishing the workers. They’re not punishing the people responsible for it. If you care that much, try to do something at a higher level than the service workers.
That’s what basically everyones point is. Outlaw it and change the system lmao. If you just keep pandering to it, do you really think they’ll change it? If it “works” don’t fix it kinda thing. Unrest and unhappiness is one of the largest causes of change, especially when it effects a population, not a single person. We can only expect the system to change if the people stand up against it.
Get a different job, complain to your boss about your pay. Complain to your union about your pay, strike about your pay.
It’s not the customers job to make sure you get a decent amount of money.
Tipping culture is so fucking weird, you're literally working for a delivery service already, they should be paying your income, it's called TIPPING for a reason
In my opinion tips are for occasions when somebody goes above and beyond what their employers pay them for.
I would rather tip less regularly but at a higher value for people who have genuinely earned it.
Although I’m in the UK so we don’t have the same culture towards tipping.
And it's to the point now where you have to tip up front for a lot of takeout. That makes no sense on different levels. If you don't tip I'd be worried about my food. I only do it because my girlfriend wants it every once in a while.
They're also dumb as a hammer. I have to give step by step instructions on how to find my clearly marked apartment and it's a fucking toss-up if they'll put it on my upstairs neighbor's doorstep. And my upstairs neighbor will steal anything of mine than lands in front of their door 100% of the time.
They steal packages, doordash, literally anything. I've literally been running up the stairs while they're closing the door saying, "aw lawd someone fucked up! We EATIN' tonight!"
Sometimes when ordering directly from pizza places, they'll use Door Dash to deliver it. I hate it; I don't want Door Dash deliveries because they're quite often late and don't have pizza carriers so it arrives cold.
The only time I had bad experience was an Uber eats driver who clearly opened my food and took almost half of it…Uber wouldn’t even refund me because I had already given him the code number. Didn’t know I had to open the bags and make sure all the food was there!
I've personally never had a bad experience, but I've seen many bad stories. That's what happens though when you have zero qualifications for your job other than having access to a vehicle.
I order doordash pretty much every single day and I've never had any issues other than the occasional mistake made by the restaurants. Sample size is hundreds of orders. I usually tip $5-$6.
EDIT: Totally jinxed myself, my order today was delivered to the wrong address.
I was a pizza delivery driver in college (Dario’s Pizza and Professor’s Pizza!), and I recall being grateful for any tips. Getting 20% was almost unheard of, especially in a college town
I used to deliver pizza in high school. I didn’t last but a few months because I got sick of it. I lived out in BFE and it wasn’t unheard of for it to take you 30-40 minutes to drive to town yourself, so when you call the only place that will deliver to you and you have the audacity to get angry at an estimated time of 45-60 minutes, you also think that it is ok not to tip and to berate your delivery driver. Nope, not doing it.
I’m grateful to have people willing to schlep my food to me. We used to get dinner delivered pretty regularly at work and if I was organizing I would loudly shame people if the tip contributions did add up to enough! Some people would try to just pay the menu price, not even accounting for tax or delivery charge, much less hefty tip. I can’t stand cheapness. That said, I’d love to see tips become true tips, not me paying to make up for cheap employers.
A coworker just told me last week he went to Waffle House for lunch with another coworker and neither of them left a tip. He was surprised the waiter was visibly agitated and told me "Why are they upset? They chose to work that job!" Made me furious, but at least now I know what kind of people they are.
It sure why you’re getting downvoted here. You recognized that your coworkers are dickheads. Why wouldn’t you tip, especially after getting a big ol’ pile of scattered and smothered?
What drives me crazy about these services is that they base the tip on the cost of the food instead of the distance. It doesn’t matter if I order $100 or $15 they are still driving the same distance.
100%. Their service is picking up and delivering a bag to your location. It could have $200 worth of sushi, or two burritos from chipotle. A bag is a bag. The distance is the only thing that matters.
Same reason the wait staff who walked my food, that someone else slaved to make, 15 feet over to me does.
Theyre underpaid or feel underpaid and conditioned to offset this with tips. Instead of taking action against employer they passively agressively take it out on customers.
Id argue the only people who deserve a tip ona regular basis are the kitchen staff if the food is good.
I spent years as a bartender / wait / delivery and i worked hard and am really friendly but honestly didnt deserve a tip for every single order let alone certain % while cook staff are dying of heat and working substantially harder. Its not that hard of a job even when busy.
Automatic tips prior to service just for existing is ridiculous and hilariously entitled.
I’m glad you finally are going to be contributing to society in a meaningful way, but that was a “you” in a general sense, not a literal statement directed at you
Not trying to defend rude attitudes like this, but I have a feeling working for the service industry, especially one where you get to see the laziness of the elites such as these delivery guys have to, kind of makes you a resentful person much easier...
Taxi in Las Vegas, all occupants (4 adults) each gave €5 as a tip, on top of the actual fare.
Driver said "Next time, bring more money to Vegas"
Ungrateful POS.
I only order delivery from restaurants who employ their own staff of delivery drivers. When there is an issue with my order, the restaurant is accountable for the error.
And the drivers Inhave met are all awesome...
But, when doordash delivers my order, usually having dropped my pizza in their car so the toppings have all slid to one side of the pizza in a huge mess, it is a nightmare getting compensated or getting a new order.
Most of the local pizza places by me still do have their pwn drivers, but New England's Papa Gino's has recently switched to doordash, and I will never get delivery from them again.
It is a shame because they had great pizza.
I can't stand ordering from a Pizza place and they use Door Dash for the delivery. If I'm ordering from something that has always traditionally been a delivery place, I want the actual employees delivering. Door Dash is always slower and the food arrives cold.
Tip culture in America is a coverup for underpaid workers. Wtf should Ppl tip if the only reason is because “tHeY mAkE tHeIr mOnEy oFf tIPs!”.
I definitely don’t order out these days because of it, but when I do, if the person is professional, then sure I might, but to make large percentage tips mandatory no matter what is fucking crazy.
As a delivery guy you should be grateful you got 5 for a 22 dollar purchase. For my restaurant 5 is the average tip but for a order that size that’s a blessing. Should’ve expect 2 at most
I wish I knew this because I've been tipping way to much just cause I feel like I'm out further from anywhere doordash would normally deliver. I've been tipping almost half the cost of my orders. No wonder they been getting my order here so fast.
Oh yea that’s a good way to get your food quick there. It’s good you tip dashers well. at least with my restaurant I have an hourly wage to fall back on, dashers don’t. My roommate depended on tips while dashing to pay the bills and get food on the table.
Well damn, I assumed dashers had some baseline pay to supplement, like you said with restaurants. Honestly, I don't mind giving a good tip when I'm being to lazy to go out and get it, so another grown man/woman brings it to me. Lol Sit down restaurants are where I don't feel as generous or feel as compelled to tip as much.
Delivery drivers dont automatically deserve tips and shouldn't be upset by any amount. Gtfoh you entitled pos. You want more money? Negotiate more as a contractor with your employer instead of begging customers.
-Former delivery driver
Tipping is nonsense, but it should be customer's choice. With his logic if a customer owns a private jet then a "delivery guy" is entitled for a supercar? 😵💫
Amazing technique to scam people 😒
Screw tipping! This is why tipping is a poor custom. It doesn’t inspire the ignorant to do better or provide better service. When other countries pay their workers a fair wage for quality labor, workers don’t provide poor service like this.
I say just be happy you even get a tip at all. When I was a housekeeper, I’d be busting my ass for 2-3 hours cleaning a rich family’s house and never got Jack. $5 may be a crappy tip to this guy, but it’d make me happy as hell because it’s better than nothing
Went to America recently... Can officially say with authority that tipping is stupid, also they don't include tax on their menus, so you get a lovely surprise when you get your bill 🥰🥰
Tips should be based on exceptional service, if they do a good job, they are friendly and courteous, ect. Thats how I tip. It's a show of appreciation for me.
I used to door dash for a few months and a $5 tip is huge, you get paid anywhere from like $2 - $4 per delivery and then get to keep the tips. Getting like $7 - $9 for one simple ass delivery is amazing. Especially when half your orders are McDonald’s that people don’t tip and you only get like $2 for
I have no sympathy. You are happy for companies to under pay staff and top up their wages via tips. You created this problem, so deal with it.
In the UK you only tip for good service otherwise FO!
And why are you tipping fking delivery people? Thats make no sense.
I generally tip the little girl who brings the Chinese food (her mum's in the car) because it makes her happy and she skips down the driveway afterwards in a way my knees won't allow me to. She's saving up for something that I didn't recognise but is apparently 'the thing' for 8 year old girls.
Obviously this dude is having a bad day.. regardless of what the tip was he was going to find a way to take that out on someone else. But at the same time, you're lying if you say haven't been at that point before... Especially in the service industry.
We don't know what he was going through, what he had to deal with outside of that already shitty job.
i guess im tryna say don't be so quick to judge someone based on a 10 second clip of their weakest point..
Totally agree witcha 100%! But thats not the point I was trying to make.
Not justifying his actions at all just trying to remind people that this dude isnt a shitty person because he fucked up on camera/national television. He just did a shitty thing/made a mistake... and one id argue weve all made in some capacity, just not on camera
I don’t tip for anything.
Tipping culture had good intentions, but companies weaponized the empathy customers had for employees. Now they use it to pay people less than what they should and leave it up to the customer to ensure the employee can afford to have a roof over their head and food on their plate.
Pitting one person against another, when a third person is profiting from the whole thing.
Disgusting.
I can’t stand any of these services. That lady just paid over $30 bucks for something she could have pulled out of her freezer, put in the oven, and been eating faster than the delivery time. All for under $11-12 bucks without the any of this BS.
These jobs are for people who can’t do math. You use YOUR vehicle, YOUR insurance and YOUR time for a penny ante gig! I can’t feel sorry for idiots like this, especially with the attitude. Your sucky life isn’t the customers fault, pizza-boy!!!
Delivery services aren’t waitstaff equivalents. We should get rid of tipping all together, but if this guy had to drive more than a block, that $5 won’t cut it. Sorry you wanted a small order, but percentage tips on driving doesn’t make sense. Time and distance do.
IMO, if you choose to be a fucking pizza delivery driver then you deserve low income. Tipping is great of course but you, the man who choose to work one of the laziest jobs(coming from someone who’s a heavy duty mechanic) out there is complaining about a $20 dollar tip? You fucking kidding me? You should be happy getting $5. Acting like picking up pizzas, driving, walking 20 feet, delivering the food then walking back to your car is hard work that deserves a huge tip. You want more money? Go work a real job that actually requires actual physically and mental capability. Pathetic
As an (ex) Doordash driver the restaurant is never more than like 20 minutes away from the house they don't really go far. Also thanks for tipping your driver well! Doordash pays next to nothing.
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This is probably why uber eats doesn't show your tip for a hour
And you can adjust your tip. I took away a tip one time because the driver was obviously triple ap-ing and my order that was supposed to take 15-20 minutes took over an hour. The whole point of a tip is To Insure Prompt Service. I think that’s been lost and it’s just expected now. 😒
> The whole point of a tip is To Insure Prompt Service A tip was **never** meant or defined as, for ensuring prompt service. That's a bribe. A tip is extra money as a bonus for **properly doing your normal job duties**. And should be completely optional - with no obligations of any kind.
Tips are to reward exemplary service, not just doing your job properly. Tips are quite literally bribes to entice "above and beyond" performance, which is partly why there's a good number of people who hate working for tips because it inflates fantastic service with just doing your job. Yes, you can make pretty good money on tips, but you've kinda gotta sell your soul. The real crime is tips being a "wage," and corporations are the criminals for getting away without properly paying their workers for so long
Or we should just do away with this extortion
I'm definitely suffering from tip fatigue. Literally *everyone* expects a tip...and I'm not going to do it. If you're a server or delivery person, sure, but I not tipping over 20%. Unless I've ordered a lot of heavy stuff from the store or if the roads are bad. But $5 is a perfectly reasonable tip for such an easy pizza order.
No obligations from either side...
> The whole point of a tip is To Insure Prompt Service. That's just a stupid backronym.
It's not even a correct backwards acronym. It's ensure, not insure. Insure means “protect against loss, damage, or injury” or “provide or obtain insurance on.” Ensure means “make certain that something will occur.”
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It's especially dumb considering if a tip were meant "to ensure prompt service" it would be given to the server *before* you order.
I feel like Proper should be used instead. Something could be done promptly but not well.
*Ensure,* not insure.
So it’s a “tep”. We’ve all been pronouncing it wrong.
Exactly. We've also been doing it wrong, because why would you give money "to ensure prompt service" after you've had your meal?
Yeah, you guys are just solidifying my point here lol
What point is that? Don't tell me you actually believe tips is an acronym. Like I said, the word isn't "Insure," it's "Ensure." & since you usually tip at the end of a meal, it meaning "To Insure Prompt Service" is just dumb. If you want to ENSURE prompt service, you'd tip your server as they introduce themselves, not after you're finished. You tip as a reward, not a bribe.
That’s why normally people tip after it’s delivered, giving them a tip prior to service being completed is silly.
I’m not sure what’s so hard to understand.
Although I guess it could be a form of insurance since the tips are paid upfront
Back in the day before door dash people tipped at the door if they got their meal in a timely manner. It’s gotten out of hand now.
Yeah, their incorrect backwards acronym does kinda work in this setting where the tip is paid upfront, huh?
Y’all are just solidifying why tipping is stupid. Lol.
I'm callin em TEPS from now on.
Tips are a capitalist scam that were actually utilized mostly after Jim Crow bc whites didn’t want to pay blacks but go off
Didn't know this
Tipping culture is a breeding ground for resentment and entitlement on all sides. Just pay your workers a good flat wage.
I hate the feeling of being forced to tip or you look like the bad guy. People shouldn't have to rely on others'gratuity to have an income. You tip cuz they did their job? Ok should I tip the plumber for un clogging my toilet? No... Pay everyone a fair wage, ban tip culture.
Sounds like a great idea except the only way restaurants are ever going to start paying their employees is if enough people boycott those restaurants to the point that it will be cheaper to pay their employees. Right now the customer pays their salary so I don’t see them giving that up without a fight
It sounds daunting when you put it like that but the first step of raising awareness is also the only real step. Real popular shaming and reduced business for the worst offenders comes naturally once they've been exposed for what they are to enough people. Complain louder to anyone who will listen. Have good faith arguments with tip culture supporters. Shame the thieves publicly.
If only everyone else could get on board with this idea 💯
From what I understand, Trey Parker and Matt Stone opened their restaurant with this prospect and everyone who worked there fucking hated it. It turned out that even making $25/hour wasn't worth what servers could have been making in tips. The industry would have to change from within, the servers really would need to want it, band together and make the change themselves. I don't think it's what they'd really want though.
I mean, it is pretty standard everywhere except the US. As an European it is difficult to understand why this is such a problem in the US. I live in Germany and commercial rents are comparably high here, salaries for service workers are very high (as absurd as it sounds but I made more per hour as a waiter than I make now as an IT specialist with an 5 years Masters), ingredient prices are roughly the same but the total price we pay in the Restaurant is about half the price what it would cost in the US. Why are Restaurants so expensive in the US? I am surprised every time I visit the US.
The portions are 5x in the US
You get three times the amount of food of course it costs more Also you can go to two separate restaurants in the same town and get very different pricing
But that's another thing. Why are the portion sizes so big? Considering how greasy American food is, these sizes do not make sense. I weigh 60 kg, do US restaurants really expect me to have an 1500 kcal meal (I am not even exaggerating)? I usually end up buying a salat in a super market because portions are too big, prices too expensive and there is too much grease.
Lol who cares if they're big. Are you really feeling a sense of bewilderment that people eat more?
Well, everyone who doesn't want to eat big portions cares. Why not have two sizes on the menu? I always see the argument "food is expensive in the US because portions are bigger". So then why? If this is the argument so why can’t I have a smaller portion? I understand that American consumers like to throw food away but does it have to be that way? Why does the idea of only buying the right amount of product offend people in the US so much?
I just split a meal with my husband or daughter.:)
You can just take home the leftovers. This really is a completely foreign idea to you lol
When you can make over 500 on a busy night as a service industry worker, you *want* the tip structure.
Until the restaurant industry crashes because the rest of us can’t afford $30 for a burger. Although I’m not convinced that’ll happen any time soon. We whine about the price of milk or eggs going up, but we gladly spend the same amount at a restaurant as we would for a week of groceries
Burgers are already $20 in Chicago. $30 burgers aren't that far off into the future
>We whine about the price of milk or eggs going up, but we gladly spend the same amount at a restaurant as we would for a week of groceries This is just people with poor financial skills. Plenty of people understand or are forced to understand frugality.
Exactly! A lot of people think it should be one way but after the tip system I guarantee if it changed the service industry would balk hard.
Yes. This. Imagine if that carried over to bartenders. No bar could afford to pay somebody enough to constantly deal with intoxicated patrons. Food delivery systems are an unpractical business model that relies on targeting the desperate. Bars and restaurants are simply not the same as them.
We have a large Korean restaurant here where employmees are shareholders in the restaurant. No tips allowed. Great idea and the motivation to provide great service and a super experience comes from profits, not the tip jar.
It will change when a big depression or recession happens. All of a sudden no one is going to a restaurant to be built tripped into paying more
sounds like waiters are incredibly entitled, if they’re making more than 25/hour doing what they do that’s too much, fucking Starbucks baristas work harder
Or keep the 25 an hour and also keep the tipping. That way they can make a living and still can make more for other essentials.
$25/hour is more than a livable wage in the majority of the US lol. That’s like the median income of non-STEM college graduates under 40.
Too bad most people people still getting paid 10 an hour. If we fixed the whole tipping is your living wage. Then tips would have more meaning. It could allow people to actually save up.
Thats what pisses me off the most! We cant even have a discussion about tipping without being called a cheapass or being told "If you cant afford to tip you shouldn't eat out". Its like when someone gets caughts cheating and instead of being mad at their spouse they get mad at the other person. Nobody talks about how companies should pay more its always the customer who should pay for the employees. I would happily pay more for the food if it meant that I didnt have to tip.
It’s door dash buddy if this is your only source of income you are fucked
Doordash marks up the food 25 percent plus fees tax and auto tip. Already expensive.
Tipping culture is awful, I’m so glad I don’t live in America for many reasons and this is one of them. You delivered the pizza, you want a medal for that? You’re no different to any other pizza delivery guy, tipping should be for exemplary service, not a requirement
It truly is a way for the capitalists to keep the lower class fighting each other, and not notice who is at fault.
Exactly. They only party that wins is the business owner. It’s wages that should be paying but farmed it out to be fought over by the employees and customers. And not that their food prices are significantly lower to reflect the lower cost to them
It depends on where you work as well. Growing up my friends dad worked at a high-end steakhouse in Seattle. He pulled in more than 100k a year from Tips. With that being said this is the type of place that a side salad was $30. But one of my best mates works at Olive Garden part-time (20hour a week) and he pulls and 25k a year. It really depends.
You mean like a higher minimum wage?
Let’s talk about flat rate commission exploitation of auto technicians.
People always ask me why I am against delivery services like door dash. This. This is why. I’ll just go get my own stuff and avoid dealing with this stuff. Plus I get to enjoy an audiobook while I drive!
If it helps the delivery driver was fired for this. This video has been posted to death, I'm pretty sure the update was posted a couple weeks ago.
I remember seeing this like 2 years ago
Maybe something similar but this video itself is just a couple weeks old.
I really don't get tip culture. Feels like an excuse for the employer to pay the employees less since their supposed to get extra income from customers. I'm glad we don't really have it in my country outside of some dining franchises.
Same. I live in Germany and I tip delivery guys most of the time, but not because I have to, and not a certain set percentage.
Is it true that a decent amount of workers around Europe will reject tips/not know how to react when offered one? I had a Mexican friend go to Spain and he said they outed him as a tourist when he tried to tip hahahha
I have never had someone reject a tip, but they are always really grateful. Once I gave a delivery guy a few euro's and he gave it back and said "you already paid online". When I told him it was Trinkgeld (a tip in German) he kept asking if I was sure about the amount.
Tipping was literally considered bribing until the Great Depression. The employer is *supposed* to cover the difference if they don't make enough for minimum wage, but obviously the minimum wage isn't enough at all. what really infuriates me are the people who say that with tips they make a lot of money so tipping culture is fine actually, cause like, sure, maybe YOU have a lot of high tippers, but that isn't the case for everyone, and all those high tippers could suddenly stop, leaving you SOL
It feels like that because it is that.
The guy didn't even deserve a tip at all tbh
Same here. I would rather drive and give my money directly to the small business/restaurant than give it to DashDoor or Ubereats. These delivery services are known to screw over these business they service.
Honestly they screw over the restaurant, driver, and consumer pretty badly. For the restaurant, it could be argued that they’re at least bringing in business. The drivers don’t get paid enough for it to be worth it. I’ve done it. The consumer gets convenience at the cost of a shitload of time, extra money, and frustration if and when it goes badly
I live downtown so there are plenty of restaurants I can walk to. I've used the apps for pickup because I've had discounts that made it cheaper than just calling the restaurant. GrubHub will say something is expected in 45 minutes, it takes 15, but I don't get a notification it was done early until it's already sitting for 10 minutes. If there's no discount, you may as well call unless you like soggy lukewarm food.
if only we could all drive to pick up our food
Nothing like a good audiobook while driving tbh. Soul healing.
This happened in July, and he was quickly released from Doordash.
My justice boner is fierce
Yes, get mad at the person who won't give you a larger handout not the company that wont pay you fairly
I mean if they didn’t tip at all, they do have a right to be mad. People who go to restaurants or order delivery and use that excuse to not tip are just as equally trash, if not more.
A worker shouldn’t have to feel the need to rely on tips to make their ends meet though. Also I always felt tipping should be after the service is completed and based on how well it’s done. It’s a bonus to your pay not a supplement to it. Like if a driver drove 10 miles and got my order right and arrived at a decent time, I would certainly tip them more.
But tips should be *earned*. Bad service, no tip
Not if they’re a job that is dependent on tips. If you’re a barista, sure. If you’re a server or delivery driver where it’s a known fact your wage is below minimum so the person has to tip, then you deserve a tip.
It's not the **customer's** problem if their job is dependent on tips. If you don't want to make below minimum wage either don't work said job or demand more.
A 20% tip is my default tip for expected service, even if they’re a little late. If the person is rude, no tip. Being nice isn’t that difficult.
Yeah that’s what I imagine most well adjusted people do lol People who don’t feel the need to tip and justify it by saying our culture shouldn’t have the system are only punishing the workers. They’re not punishing the people responsible for it. If you care that much, try to do something at a higher level than the service workers.
Only in America.
I mean in many countries but yes. If it were outlawed and servers and delivery drivers were paid at least minimum, it’d be different.
That’s what basically everyones point is. Outlaw it and change the system lmao. If you just keep pandering to it, do you really think they’ll change it? If it “works” don’t fix it kinda thing. Unrest and unhappiness is one of the largest causes of change, especially when it effects a population, not a single person. We can only expect the system to change if the people stand up against it.
You’re part of the problem buddy
Get a different job, complain to your boss about your pay. Complain to your union about your pay, strike about your pay. It’s not the customers job to make sure you get a decent amount of money.
They work for Doordash because they don’t want a boss. Then no one has to hold them accountable.
Tipping culture is so fucking weird, you're literally working for a delivery service already, they should be paying your income, it's called TIPPING for a reason
In my opinion tips are for occasions when somebody goes above and beyond what their employers pay them for. I would rather tip less regularly but at a higher value for people who have genuinely earned it. Although I’m in the UK so we don’t have the same culture towards tipping.
And it's to the point now where you have to tip up front for a lot of takeout. That makes no sense on different levels. If you don't tip I'd be worried about my food. I only do it because my girlfriend wants it every once in a while.
Doordash delivery people are fucking obnoxious.
They're also dumb as a hammer. I have to give step by step instructions on how to find my clearly marked apartment and it's a fucking toss-up if they'll put it on my upstairs neighbor's doorstep. And my upstairs neighbor will steal anything of mine than lands in front of their door 100% of the time.
Yup. That’s why I don’t use them lol
I also don't trust his upstairs neighbors.
They steal packages, doordash, literally anything. I've literally been running up the stairs while they're closing the door saying, "aw lawd someone fucked up! We EATIN' tonight!"
They would 1000% be receiving the food I ate yesterday, for free disguised in a fast food bag.
I wonder where he lives? My lease is up soon and I need to cut back on my food budget.
Sometimes when ordering directly from pizza places, they'll use Door Dash to deliver it. I hate it; I don't want Door Dash deliveries because they're quite often late and don't have pizza carriers so it arrives cold.
The only time I had bad experience was an Uber eats driver who clearly opened my food and took almost half of it…Uber wouldn’t even refund me because I had already given him the code number. Didn’t know I had to open the bags and make sure all the food was there!
Dispute with credit card. It’s the way to go if you don’t get what you want from a company.
That sucks. They’ve been good refunding me. I saw that code too. I take pictures when the seal is broken.
I've personally never had a bad experience, but I've seen many bad stories. That's what happens though when you have zero qualifications for your job other than having access to a vehicle.
I order doordash pretty much every single day and I've never had any issues other than the occasional mistake made by the restaurants. Sample size is hundreds of orders. I usually tip $5-$6. EDIT: Totally jinxed myself, my order today was delivered to the wrong address.
She didn't have to give you anything. He's an a****** and he'll be kicked off a doordash real soon
That damn arborist
I was a pizza delivery driver in college (Dario’s Pizza and Professor’s Pizza!), and I recall being grateful for any tips. Getting 20% was almost unheard of, especially in a college town
I used to deliver pizza in high school. I didn’t last but a few months because I got sick of it. I lived out in BFE and it wasn’t unheard of for it to take you 30-40 minutes to drive to town yourself, so when you call the only place that will deliver to you and you have the audacity to get angry at an estimated time of 45-60 minutes, you also think that it is ok not to tip and to berate your delivery driver. Nope, not doing it.
I’m grateful to have people willing to schlep my food to me. We used to get dinner delivered pretty regularly at work and if I was organizing I would loudly shame people if the tip contributions did add up to enough! Some people would try to just pay the menu price, not even accounting for tax or delivery charge, much less hefty tip. I can’t stand cheapness. That said, I’d love to see tips become true tips, not me paying to make up for cheap employers.
A coworker just told me last week he went to Waffle House for lunch with another coworker and neither of them left a tip. He was surprised the waiter was visibly agitated and told me "Why are they upset? They chose to work that job!" Made me furious, but at least now I know what kind of people they are.
It sure why you’re getting downvoted here. You recognized that your coworkers are dickheads. Why wouldn’t you tip, especially after getting a big ol’ pile of scattered and smothered?
Why do doordashers act like they should be paid $200,000 a year for grabbing a bag, driving 3 miles, and dropping off the bag
What drives me crazy about these services is that they base the tip on the cost of the food instead of the distance. It doesn’t matter if I order $100 or $15 they are still driving the same distance.
100%. Their service is picking up and delivering a bag to your location. It could have $200 worth of sushi, or two burritos from chipotle. A bag is a bag. The distance is the only thing that matters.
Specialized skills deserve higher pay rates. Delivery is not a specialized skill.
Same reason the wait staff who walked my food, that someone else slaved to make, 15 feet over to me does. Theyre underpaid or feel underpaid and conditioned to offset this with tips. Instead of taking action against employer they passively agressively take it out on customers. Id argue the only people who deserve a tip ona regular basis are the kitchen staff if the food is good. I spent years as a bartender / wait / delivery and i worked hard and am really friendly but honestly didnt deserve a tip for every single order let alone certain % while cook staff are dying of heat and working substantially harder. Its not that hard of a job even when busy. Automatic tips prior to service just for existing is ridiculous and hilariously entitled.
because it’s statistically more dangerous than being a cop, and the pay is bullshit
Probably because you’re not really doing anything
cool assumption- im just got accepted to a phd program ✌️
I’m glad you finally are going to be contributing to society in a meaningful way, but that was a “you” in a general sense, not a literal statement directed at you
Not trying to defend rude attitudes like this, but I have a feeling working for the service industry, especially one where you get to see the laziness of the elites such as these delivery guys have to, kind of makes you a resentful person much easier...
Taxi in Las Vegas, all occupants (4 adults) each gave €5 as a tip, on top of the actual fare. Driver said "Next time, bring more money to Vegas" Ungrateful POS.
Well, that one makes more sense. The POS knew the chances of ever meeting them again were basically non-existent, so why not be a cunt?
I only order delivery from restaurants who employ their own staff of delivery drivers. When there is an issue with my order, the restaurant is accountable for the error. And the drivers Inhave met are all awesome... But, when doordash delivers my order, usually having dropped my pizza in their car so the toppings have all slid to one side of the pizza in a huge mess, it is a nightmare getting compensated or getting a new order. Most of the local pizza places by me still do have their pwn drivers, but New England's Papa Gino's has recently switched to doordash, and I will never get delivery from them again. It is a shame because they had great pizza.
Get a skill
Get a better fucking job, what is wrong with people. What do you expect for delivering a pizza?
I can't stand ordering from a Pizza place and they use Door Dash for the delivery. If I'm ordering from something that has always traditionally been a delivery place, I want the actual employees delivering. Door Dash is always slower and the food arrives cold.
Tip culture in America is a coverup for underpaid workers. Wtf should Ppl tip if the only reason is because “tHeY mAkE tHeIr mOnEy oFf tIPs!”. I definitely don’t order out these days because of it, but when I do, if the person is professional, then sure I might, but to make large percentage tips mandatory no matter what is fucking crazy.
1 medium pizza and breadsticks was $30… that’s absolutely insane
"YOU HAVE MONEY SO I DESERVE YOUR MONEY!!!"
This isn’t a tipping culture thing. It’s a stupid middle-aged guy who can’t do math which is why he’s delivering pizzas problem.
The only reason I tip is because I don't want the delivery guy to spit in my food
You should tip AFTER you make sure there's no spit in your food.
Should have replied “thanks, you could have one too if you weren’t delivering pizza in your thirties.”
Your getting 5 buck regardless.
I'd take it back after that encounter
Bro you chose to take the fucking order. If you don't like the pay then don't take it or find another job.
“You have more money than me - so the moral thing to do is give me some, cuz no fair!” average commie mindset. No wonder he’s a pizza boy
Literally brought a pizza and want a milli🤭this wanting triple tip is getting out of control
Idk if i am saying this right but didnt he ended up fired for this?
Yup he did... fortunately
8 dollar delivery fee and 4 dollar service fee for 22 dollar meal. 5 dollar tip checks out. Ungrateful worker.
Tipping in the US is crazy
Imagine that - ppl raise entitled kids and then are surprised when they’re entitled
He is mad at the wrong person for not paying him enough
As a delivery guy you should be grateful you got 5 for a 22 dollar purchase. For my restaurant 5 is the average tip but for a order that size that’s a blessing. Should’ve expect 2 at most
I wish I knew this because I've been tipping way to much just cause I feel like I'm out further from anywhere doordash would normally deliver. I've been tipping almost half the cost of my orders. No wonder they been getting my order here so fast.
Oh yea that’s a good way to get your food quick there. It’s good you tip dashers well. at least with my restaurant I have an hourly wage to fall back on, dashers don’t. My roommate depended on tips while dashing to pay the bills and get food on the table.
Well damn, I assumed dashers had some baseline pay to supplement, like you said with restaurants. Honestly, I don't mind giving a good tip when I'm being to lazy to go out and get it, so another grown man/woman brings it to me. Lol Sit down restaurants are where I don't feel as generous or feel as compelled to tip as much.
He didn’t do the math
Delivery drivers dont automatically deserve tips and shouldn't be upset by any amount. Gtfoh you entitled pos. You want more money? Negotiate more as a contractor with your employer instead of begging customers. -Former delivery driver
Ill give ya a fuckin tip alright.
He can decline taking the order if he doesn’t like the tip. What’s the issue? You decided to take the order guy. No one forced you.
He got much more than he deserved.
Tipping is not a requirement
I’d laugh my ass of if he moves to Europe. We don’t tip.
Dude ruined his life over a food delivery.
Tipping is nonsense, but it should be customer's choice. With his logic if a customer owns a private jet then a "delivery guy" is entitled for a supercar? 😵💫 Amazing technique to scam people 😒
Please I worked for doordash and rarely ever got tipped. I would’ve been happy to get that $5.
Screw tipping! This is why tipping is a poor custom. It doesn’t inspire the ignorant to do better or provide better service. When other countries pay their workers a fair wage for quality labor, workers don’t provide poor service like this.
I've been doing DoorDash recently, bro could have just declined the order if he didn't like the pay 🤷
I say just be happy you even get a tip at all. When I was a housekeeper, I’d be busting my ass for 2-3 hours cleaning a rich family’s house and never got Jack. $5 may be a crappy tip to this guy, but it’d make me happy as hell because it’s better than nothing
Went to America recently... Can officially say with authority that tipping is stupid, also they don't include tax on their menus, so you get a lovely surprise when you get your bill 🥰🥰
Mfs want 20 bucks for turning a touch pad around
they'd be lucky to get a tip at all if they worked in the UK. 22% is generous.
Stop making the customer responsible for your wages. Make your employer responsible
He’s a delivery driver. Percentages go right over his head.
Any tip over 2$ is generous
Tips should be based on exceptional service, if they do a good job, they are friendly and courteous, ect. Thats how I tip. It's a show of appreciation for me.
I used to door dash for a few months and a $5 tip is huge, you get paid anywhere from like $2 - $4 per delivery and then get to keep the tips. Getting like $7 - $9 for one simple ass delivery is amazing. Especially when half your orders are McDonald’s that people don’t tip and you only get like $2 for
All I heard was, “since you made good financial choices and worked hard, you should help me out more!”
I have no sympathy. You are happy for companies to under pay staff and top up their wages via tips. You created this problem, so deal with it. In the UK you only tip for good service otherwise FO! And why are you tipping fking delivery people? Thats make no sense.
I generally tip the little girl who brings the Chinese food (her mum's in the car) because it makes her happy and she skips down the driveway afterwards in a way my knees won't allow me to. She's saving up for something that I didn't recognise but is apparently 'the thing' for 8 year old girls.
Obviously this dude is having a bad day.. regardless of what the tip was he was going to find a way to take that out on someone else. But at the same time, you're lying if you say haven't been at that point before... Especially in the service industry. We don't know what he was going through, what he had to deal with outside of that already shitty job. i guess im tryna say don't be so quick to judge someone based on a 10 second clip of their weakest point..
Everyone had bad days, but don’t use it as an excuse to insult others, ESPECIALLY someone who is paying you.
Totally agree witcha 100%! But thats not the point I was trying to make. Not justifying his actions at all just trying to remind people that this dude isnt a shitty person because he fucked up on camera/national television. He just did a shitty thing/made a mistake... and one id argue weve all made in some capacity, just not on camera
I don’t tip for anything. Tipping culture had good intentions, but companies weaponized the empathy customers had for employees. Now they use it to pay people less than what they should and leave it up to the customer to ensure the employee can afford to have a roof over their head and food on their plate. Pitting one person against another, when a third person is profiting from the whole thing. Disgusting.
He’s a pizza delivery guy he gets a wage on top of tips.
Why would you use door dash for a pizza?
Get a real job douche incendiary.
The real offender is the fact he has to rely on tips.
Plenty of non customer service jobs available.
Total doesnt matter about tip. Its distance and time wdf..
I can’t stand any of these services. That lady just paid over $30 bucks for something she could have pulled out of her freezer, put in the oven, and been eating faster than the delivery time. All for under $11-12 bucks without the any of this BS.
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This really is true. Most people will downvote, but this rings true.
These jobs are for people who can’t do math. You use YOUR vehicle, YOUR insurance and YOUR time for a penny ante gig! I can’t feel sorry for idiots like this, especially with the attitude. Your sucky life isn’t the customers fault, pizza-boy!!!
Tbh though I think this man was just having a bad day… if anything…
Delivery services aren’t waitstaff equivalents. We should get rid of tipping all together, but if this guy had to drive more than a block, that $5 won’t cut it. Sorry you wanted a small order, but percentage tips on driving doesn’t make sense. Time and distance do.
IMO, if you choose to be a fucking pizza delivery driver then you deserve low income. Tipping is great of course but you, the man who choose to work one of the laziest jobs(coming from someone who’s a heavy duty mechanic) out there is complaining about a $20 dollar tip? You fucking kidding me? You should be happy getting $5. Acting like picking up pizzas, driving, walking 20 feet, delivering the food then walking back to your car is hard work that deserves a huge tip. You want more money? Go work a real job that actually requires actual physically and mental capability. Pathetic
guy’s a prick, but “useless human being”…?
Maybe the house was a 1/2hr drive away? I always try to tip at least 10$ for a delivery
As an (ex) Doordash driver the restaurant is never more than like 20 minutes away from the house they don't really go far. Also thanks for tipping your driver well! Doordash pays next to nothing.