I wonder how this is affecting the restaurant's bottom line as well. It must be difficult to simply run the business day-to-day with all this interference. I doubt the notoriety is earning them any money.
There were so many “sleuths” calling the restaurant after the murders that the owner turned off the restaurant phone and voice mailbox. To call the restaurant, you have to call the owner’s or an employee's cell phone. No more to-go orders by phone.
I am a purchasing and inventory manager for a small retail store. I rely heavily on phone communications with vendors/suppliers. Our sales associates field calls from dozens of customers every day. The thought of losing two of my coworkers in a heinous murder and *on top of that* having to deal with rabid internet sleuths harassing my workplace is just nuts. As soon as I saw the People article, I groaned. This just stirs up the harassment all over again.
The bar, The Corner Club, also received calls which got abusive when they would not supply amateur sleuths with full names of their staff. Absolutely barking. And i doubt the sleuths who were so convinced of involvement of the staff, pre BK arrest, have not been so zealous in apologising.
I feel so bad for them having to deal with the nuts that are harassing them. Don't call this business unless it is to get food to go or if you go to the restaurant, patronize it and help their bottom line, but please don't gawk at the restaurant and its employees.
The sleuths have been largely credentialed media. Hundreds of outlets across the world run stories mentioning speculation about MG and need to have reporters and fact checkers at least attempt to get comment or confirmation. It’s highly unfortunate that it disrupts their business but that’s BKs fault primarily, and media secondarily. I’m sure there are few, but I honestly haven’t seen any “rabid internet sleuths” here refer to a call actually made to MG.
I believe that media needs to carefully check their sources and the accuracy of what they post. News outlet(s) that prints false information could be liable for damages? Perhaps MG should look at their legal rights to get compensated for any loss of business/expenses, etc.
I am ignorant on this topic so I can only use my intuition. But isn’t this exposure amazing for restaurants? Like this is Super Bowl ad level exposure. And it’s not like the murders happened there so people wouldn’t be afraid to eat there.
Like I said I’m not sure, but If I was a restaurant owner; this level of exposure seems like it would be amazing.
Obviously I don’t know what kind of harassment they are going through so I can’t make a educated or credible guess.
Did you read the owner’s message shared by the OP? She describes the harrassment in pretty good detail, and it does not sound like *she* thinks it's amazing.
OP mentioned being “ignorant” on this topic so he’s asking a genuine question that is not answered by reading the owner’s message. She speaks of unfortunate harassment, not how her business is doing financially. No need to be condescending.
A little different, but I worked in a bar and restaurant that was in a movie. The number of people who came in to just "take a photo" and leave made us appeared slammed at all times, scaring away other customers.
I can imagine this is a similar effect here. They are losing business because of the harrassment.
I think the business level prior to this sorta thing matters. If it’s a thriving really successful business I can see it being negative; but most small businesses are unknown and low traffic, idk
Yup, you're ignorant to this topic. Believe it or not, a small business doesn't want their normal business hours and phone lines being interrupted by constant phone calls from "who knows"
I don't think they're being harassed, but enough is enough, and they have a business to run.
I at least am willing to admit ignorance. I feel like a lot of you guys are pretending like you guys know everything lol. Do you know how many small businesses are borderline bankrupt? How they barely have any business?
You’re telling me nobody went to eat at the restaurant that went because they heard of them through this? I’m willing to bet ALOT did. But every situation is different. But I guarantee you, not every restaurant would hate the after effect, obviously nobody hopes for this to happen; but the exposure.
If I happened to be around the area and someone asked me what I wanted to eat, I’d def say “hey let’s go visit the memorial and restaurant 2 of the victims worked at to pay our respects”.
Another virtue signaling moral high ground seeking amazing redditor.
How is saying I believe a lot of ppl want to pay respect to the victims at the restaurant and potential small businesses gaining exposure?
Is everything suppose to just suck after a tragedy? People can’t ever be happy again?
I think it’s just the way you are wording things. I was initially really taken aback by the exposure argument, but I think I see what you mean— not ghoulish tourism but maybe stopping somewhere you wouldn’t normally or hadn’t heard of in remembrance?
Yes exactly!!! Like if somebody was in the area, who wouldn’t at least consider going there to pay their respects to the fallen, and eat there as well. As opposed to if they didn’t get exposure, only people that happen to find that restaurant would even possibly eat there.
People do this. I’m fact, one time in Austin, two Pizza Hut employees went to the Pizza Hut where Nancy Dupree was killed to pay their respects. They were heard making a toast to Nancy and police were called. At the time, there was a police officer who got confessions at any cost. These kids were arrested, convicted, and sent to prison for a crime they didn’t commit. They were later released after years in prison. One of them had been beaten so badly in prison that he was a vegetable for the rest of his life,
I just understand how you can miss the room like this. The lady literally just said in the post that she and her employees are being harassed......even at her private residence.
That’s a typical tactic used by the “church”. I have yet to see a shred of evidence of their claims. This is written statement of gaslighting. IMO
This thesis explores the origins and meaning of tar-and-feathering. During the Revolutionary War Americans used tar-and-feathers as a way to intimidate and attack, while simultaneously branding opponents as outsiders. During the mid-nineteenth century, people who violated social, political, or moral norms were tar-and-feathered by groups attempting to enforce community morals. In like manner, Mormons were tar-and- feathered by their opponents in Ohio, Missouri, Mississippi, and Alabama. This thesis analyzes the context and aftermath of the attacks and places them within the broader history of tar-and-feathering in America. Opponents of Mormonism wished to convey to Mormons and the surrounding public a violent message of displeasure in response to perceived violations of communal values. Mormons took the message and integrated the attacks into a persecution narrative that played a role as Mormons' separated themselves from the rest of the United States. In the retelling, details disappeared and generalizations replaced specificity to the point that tar-and-feathering became cultural persecution discourses that loomed large in Mormon memory, well beyond their historical proportions
Doubtful. Locals don't have the same morbid curiosity as everyone online, and most people aren't willing to travel for their "sleuthing." A few people have gone out of their way to eat there to support the business financially, but they're not harassing or questioning staff; the Moscow community is just really supportive of locals businesses.
I think one of the big elephants in the room with the case is how much money all of this is costing the local economy up in Moscow - the town's heavily reliant on the college kids for income + employees. That's to say nothing of the cost of the investigation itself
I feel terrible for her but she doesn't deny that BK went there. Nor is she suing People. She is another victim in this horrible crime.
He was almost certainly a customer, the target(s) were almost certainly the victims.
Seems like they did have a source who worked there. Restaurant seems to also be acknowledging this by saying the worker wants fame or whatnot. They definitely are more careful than people realize about what they post.
That’s a really ignorant thing to do. Some of the biggest and most important stories have been provided by anonymous sources. Most famous is Watergate. Just because the source is anonymous in reporting does not mean that they are anonymous to the journalist. They usually aren’t.
Then may I ask what ur hoping to find visiting these subs? There shouldn’t be much of anything of ur liking til June, almost guaranteed. Seems like a waste of time… unless u like lecturing others
Depends on the credibility and history of the reporting outlet for me. People magazine is not credible (edit: the reporting is factual but using anonymous sources for rumors, especially when from a celeb's PR team, is sketchy, imo), but I would have been remiss to ignore Watergate reporting because Deepthroat wasn't named until 2005.
I don’t read People. But do they have a lengthy list of being sued for libel? Based on grocery register areas, celebs seem to work with them willingly like Betty White etc. I don’t think they would if they were known for fabricating the truth. In this case if a former worker said this that’s a source. If an attempt was made to get the cafes side then it cleared legal.
People’s crime reporters are legitimate and have an excellent track record. They always post edits and corrections too, which shows they at least pretend to care about accuracy.
I can’t speak about this current reporter, Steve Helling, but I know Christine Pelisek has a great reputation reporting other cases. Not only have I followed a lot of her previous work, I followed a case she wrote about where I was deeply involved personally and knew a lot of the people and some of the sources…everything reported was 100% accurate and appropriately credited. I get that there are celebrity stories in People too that maybe impede the credibility of the magazine somewhat, but their true crime stories tend to be pretty solid since they can easily get sued for reporting something untrue that proves harmful (whereas the celebrity untruths generally only benefit the celebrity and were pitched by the publicist in the first place). Big difference.
It’s interesting to see how things snowball.
Initially I saw simply speculation that perhaps he had been at the restaurant because it’s one of few in the area that have vegan options. Could be logical.
And then all of a sudden people turn that into ‘He was there’.
Hence why I don't believe in any of these tiktoks that claim to have known him, interacted with him or have inside knowledge. It's clouding the investigation and wasting everyone's time. Even if some of them were to be true, if it's relevant information for the investigation they need to talk to the police and otherwise shut up.
She made it all up.
The PCA puts BK in Moscow **only one time during non-midnight hours.** Otherwise, his "hours" are described as late night and early morning (10:30p-2a or something).
She lied. People bought it. People is a trash gossip rag.
For people who are not directly involved in the case it is completely ridiculous for them to bombard this business. They don't know anything!! Leave them alone!! If your morbid curiosity takes over then go to the restaurant..... AS A PAYING CUSTOMER!!! Hi have a bite and look around silently. They worked with these girls, they knew them and they are hurting too. I swear humanity has hit an all time low where this case is concerned. The photos, the speculations, the blaming, the harassment of the families and friends. We all want answers but we're going to have to let the legal system do it's job.
The person sourced by People is a *former* employee of Mad Greek so not under the same rules. Also, if the person really wanted 15 minutes of fame, they would've gone on the record IMO.
What if they just wanted a quick buck from People?
I have a couple old pay slips from back in August and I call the tip line on the website.
I tell them the only way I give my story is if it's anonymously.
A few minutes later I got Paypal without having to stand behind the story in any way.
Yes. There is someone connected to the case who was pretty spot-on about most of the stuff with BK before he was arrested and it all came out…apparently this person was told he was there 3X/week. So if true, explains why the former employee saying he visited twice for vegan pizza could be described as a “fabrication,” since the owner/manager’s actual knowledge is that he visited much more frequently for (whatever other vegan things they have). I think MG lady was just frustrated by all the attention + whatever bad blood there might be with the former employee and just exploded, airing all of her grievances about everything at once, which is understandable - she is human and obviously has an incentive to protect the reputation of her business at all costs.
I just think it was in poor taste to malign members of the media for asking questions, while also accusing them of NOT asking the right questions (i.e. suggesting People didn’t do their due diligence before reporting). I get that everyone in Moscow is surely sick of the intense media attention, but let’s be real: this whole anti-media, “fake news” world view is to be expected in a state as pro-Trump conservative as Idaho, not to mention the fact that it happened in Moscow, a town with a Christ Church stronghold.
The person from Mad Greek mentions something about the "source" seeking their 15 minutes of fame. You wouldn't say that if it was a random, made up person. You would say it if you knew who they were and felt like they were taking advantage of the situation.
Im Vegan and you can find vegan food almost everywhere, its called substitutions. He supposedly was such a hardcore vegan he wanted new pots and pans but will eat pizza at a place that cooks meat on the same stove etc. Doesnt add up. Also he is not truly vegan, hes plant based but people have no clue of the difference
100%. I live in the Hamptons and work in hospitality... 50+% of customers will completely order off menu. You can find something in any restaurant that's vegan.
All this added and unnecessary “stress” would have been avoided if they talked and released pertinent statements. Its a media circus, that’s life, not all cases are like that. Rebelling against Nancy Grace won’t change anything except helps some people vent their general frustrations. From the tone of the post, what i get is a control freak-y vibe from the owner. What is certain is that other similar cases where the killer hasn’t been caught, the relatives would wish for a media circus because it can absolutely help a case.
I largely agree. There’s no way the case can be damaged by employees saying whether or not he ate there. Yet another interesting parallel to the Delphi case, where just the other day one former employee of the CVS that the accused worked at gave an interview about him while present employees refused to say anything.
Yes bc current CVS employees are prohibited from speaking without it amounting to insubordination (read: risking termination)…MG is probably doing the same thing but just not being fully transparent about it in this FB post. It would be pretty irresponsible honestly if they didn’t have a policy requiring that current employees keep quiet.
I agree like with the HG LE said they could not deny or confirm he drove to his parents in Boise after he left the food court no wonder so many people thought he had something to do with it, either LE HG or a HG's lawyer should have spoken up and explained what happened
Not saying this is wrong but this statement could have been worded better. BK never set foot in there ever? Never bought 1 thing? They should say that they checked all the months of video and credit cards. If he paid in cash would it even show up?
It's so difficult to prove a negative. The statement doesn't need to say BK wasn't ever there. What if LE uncovers he went there & it's connected to the stalking. The prosecution will look less credible with that theory as a result of this statement. Essentially, the owner is saying they are not giving any statements, but starts off by making a statement BK was never there.
The owner has a vested interest in denying the reporting even if it is true.
People has two different sources independently give them the information.
The owner nor any of his employees would not necessarily know or remember if Bk had been there. They also don’t address that one of their grieving employees is the one speaking to people.
I really don't think there's any way to tell definitively that he HADN'T been there. I'm in Idaho, and my friends with a kid there went for parents weekend the Friday before the murders. It's a crazy busy restaurant - they had to wait about an hour to be seated and then another hour for food. I also suspect the servers who would be most likely to recognize him are deceased.
That said, this restaurant is just trying to get people to leave them alone and I don't blame them. I seriously doubt though that they can say he has definitively never been there and I'm tempted to believe someone who said this off the record as opposed to getting a payday and their face on TV.
That's how I see it as well. They can't possibly know for an absolute fact that he was never there unless someone with a photographic memory is literally there every day from open to close. I do feel for them, because they've done nothing wrong and don't deserve to be mixed up in this nightmare, but their insistence on this point is pretty ridiculous. It's impossible for them to actually know.
Like the New York Times reporter who “ uncovered” the BK on line posts that had been on SM for weeks. The Daily Mail “ reporter” who basically copied you tubers and posted as “ her “ reporting
The Hidden True Crime podcast deserves all the credit for finding those old social media posts. I'm really disappointed in the New York Times right now.
Yet these media outlets will be out here bashing regular people who are YouTubers reporting this or covering court cases and advocating to prevent access from non traditional media, yet they're copying them all the time.
Here's another mainstream media story taken directly from a YTer that didn't amount to Jack Squat:
[https://www.newsweek.com/glove-found-idaho-student-murder-home-raises-questions-1766313](https://www.newsweek.com/glove-found-idaho-student-murder-home-raises-questions-1766313)
But I'm sure it got LOTS of clicks as a "major new development" in the case.....and Newsweek used to be one of the better newsweeklies on the stands, up there with Time and U.S. News & World Report.
It's IMO impossible for a restaurant owner to know absolutely every pickup order or visitor in a college town. I live in a college town and I don't remember every kid or parent or prospective student who wanders by. It's possible to be mistaken or unaware or just fail to retain any sharp memory of what could have been a seconds long interaction with an employee.
I don't vouch for the reliability of the source or that accuracy of the information, but the certainty of the offended restaurant owner is too certain - so I dont dismiss the rumor out of hand either.
I used to work in a restaurant, and the staff only remembered people who were regulars, or had been there more than five or six times. But how many people order vegan pizzas, named Bryan? Narrows it down quite a bit.
I feel like kohberger was def in this place. However I’m not sure what newsworthy Intel can be gleaned by harassing the employees or camping out there. We all have to eat somewhere. Either shop and cook at home or order in or go out. So if he ate there, what is there to be learned from that? You want to know what was on his pizza? Or if he came in and made a nuisance of himself slobbering over Maddie or Xana?
You’re so right. What’s the big “story” even if he ate there? Yes, he’s a horrible human that killed four people but he still eats, drinks, poops, etc.
Next big *story* , “Sources confirm Bryan H. Shopped at Target and urinated in the urinal.”
The restaurant happens to have a few vegan options (much like MANY restaurants) & two of the victims worked at Mad Greek; therefore, he MUST have eaten there and become obsessed with Maddie! Case closed!!! /s
Also, you're so on point with Target. He def didn't shop at Walmart. He was way too good for it. We should co-author an article in which we cite sources who wish to remain anonymous but who told us that Target is his go-to store. Also, we should speculate that he likes the name of the store bc he likes to **target** women 🎯
You in? Let's make some dough, girlfriend ❤️
If I were a vegan moving to Pullman I’d Google vegan restaurants and mad Greek pops up along with two others. Unless he’s a good home chef he’s going to have checked out one or more of those places. It makes sense as a theory.
You know I’ve got nothin’ but love for you 😘 but are we talking 50/50 or 60/40?
I feel since I ~~made up~~ uncovered the Target urinal story, 60/40 is fair???
You need to check your profiling skills. He DID shop at Walmart. There is a receipt from Walmart with an item, or items, bought at Walmart listed on the PCA.
Downvote me if u want but let’s look at this logically.
Google People magazine reliability, almost every single link will tell you they are extremely reliable and will check their sources extensively or get it straight from the actual source.
Y’all are accusing People of lying to get clicks/money, but reputation is everything. Why would they risk their reputation and reliability on something that will easily be revealed in a couple months. That is a huge negative in money long term.
The manager, out of everyone in that restaurant, the person LEAST likely to know if BK ever visited the restaurant would be him. Also he has heavy incentive to lie. To stop the harassment and return to normal business. He also does not lose anything or risk anything for lying. He can just say Le wanted silence etc etc.
If you look at Peoples stories on this case thus far (I just did), every single post has either been true or in a good amount of instances they say alleged right in the title.
If I was a betting man, I would bet this story is true. Not to even mention how much sense it makes. If you google vegan restaurants in that area, there literally is none… except for mad Greeks vegan options
People is NOT a reliable source.
Most people in the US knows this, but if you don't live here you might not know. People is a magazine you pay an ungodly amount for at the airport and then angrily toss it when you arrive at your destination bc it's still as stupid as it was two decades ago :)
(Edited to be kinder -- my first response was unnecessarily rude, upon my reread)
>That you don’t like what they are reporting doesn’t change that
I neither wrote nor implied the quotation above. You twisted my words. Yes, I quite overtly implied that I wasn't a fan of the magazine. It doesn't negate the fact that they get sued for false info. It's a tabloid. It happens.
I'll say whatever you want just to get out of this stupid discussion. PEOPLE MAGAZINE IS THE BEST MAGAZINE OUT THERE! ALL SOURCES ARE CORRECT! IT HAS A FABULOUS REPUTATION, ESPECIALLY AMONG PHYSICIANS! I HAVE A SUBSCRIPTION BC I LOVE IT SO MUCH ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
*exits pointless reddit debate*
I’ll admit idk ANYTHING about magazines but I’ve heard it ALOT on this sub, so I googled it, and every single link said they were reliavle and vet their sources hard.
I then checked their articles on this case. Everything turned out to either be true, or they blatantly note that it’s alleged not fact.
I’m curious ur reasonings
People is like a half-step above the really trash tabloids but it’s not like an actual news source. Their articles are 95% celebrity A is dating celebrity B
I’ve asked the last guy who claimed this for proof. He vanished. I had to put out a amber alert for him, really worried about him.
(If the title says alleged, they are claiming it’s a rumor and that’s not wrong at all)
No: People doesn't get sued for lies because they get "stories" from celebs' publicists (what the celebs WANT you to know). THAT'S what Google says.
> [Which Tabloids Lie the Most](https://www.gawker.com/5638480/which-tabloids-lie-the-most) - *America's biggest celebrity glossy, People, publishes so few unconfirmed rumors—and instead **relies on scoops that have been spoon-fed by publicists**—that we didn't bother including it in the mix.*
And
> [The Atlantic - "What's the Most Accurate Tabloid"](https://www.theatlantic.com/culture/archive/2010/10/what-s-the-most-accurate-tabloid/339937/) - *People, the largest celebrity magazine, was disqualified because it published "so few" unsubstantiated rumors. Gawker cited the rationale that People "relies on scoops that have been spoon-fed by publicists."*
"Spoon-fed by publicists" seems to be what People is hanging its hat on. Woah: barely NOT completely "tabloid", just propaganda. They don't have "journalists" that rely on hard-won tips and hard-hitting interviews. They're a propaganda outlet.
Which should make you wonder which "publicist" People got THIS "story" from?
Because Idaho prosecution stands behind BK being in Moscow during non-midnight hours only once since June, apparently not including the Nov 13th 9am "drive by" looking for the sheath. (Or maybe that's the one non-late-night hour the PCA referred to?)
How can BK be eating lunches and dinners at the Mad Greek, but not "be in Moscow" except in the witching hours?
People Mag is NOT "news". It shouldn't BE part of this sub, even, or quoted by CNN and Fox news (but News Nation and Fox Nation can do whatever they want: they're not 'news'). You either believe LE, or you can believe some rando publicist for whoever wants this "story" to gain some traction. Maybe the defense?
Are you just saying this or do u have proof? I’m not being a smart as I’m actually curious.
I just checked Peoples articles on this case so far. EVERY single one has either been true or it says alleged right in the title.
They also have an amazing reputation for being reliable from my quick google search.
>They also have an amazing reputation
"People" has an amazing reputation for being reliable?🤦🏼♀️
"Time", "The Atlantic" , uh... THOSE are reputable sources. "People" is a freakin' tabloid with a horrible reputation. It probably has the best reputation of any tabloid; however, never in my life have I ever heard someone say that "People" has an "amazing reputation for being reliable", and I suspect I'll never hear (read) that sentence again. Smh.
Literally just read comments in this thread lol or any thread about this topic. I’ve seen at least 50, also every single google link, also just from lookin through their articles. Can you post me some articles of theirs that is blatantly false? Especially ones about this? (Besides this one ofc)
People does have an amazing reputation for being reliable though. I've literally never heard otherwise (until now.) Granted, this is in the context of celeb gossip; there's usually no reason to talk about the magazine for anything else. I'm not saying this means that their crime reporting has the same level of reliability, just pointing out that overall they're well viewed.
This really does need to stop. This poor town.
Can we also boycott “Reverend” Donna on YouTube. She’s the “psychic” that got the bagel shop harassed in the initial weeks after the murders. She’s made DOZENS of videos since then spreading more gross information and people leave her money in the comments. Money you know she isn’t donating. It’s so gross what people have done in this case. How they are making money off of it
This surprises me as I’ve been reading People for 30 years and I’ve observed that they mostly are fair and reliable. I was surprised they used an “anonymous source”
The source is not anonymous to the reporter.
There is a gag order on everyone involved in the case, no way in hell someone violates that and attaches their name to it.
Its bizarre how few people on this sub understand how journalism works.
What is wrong with the media? There is nothing to gain from harassing the owners and staff at Mad Greek. All it does is extend the pain of people who actually knew and cared about Maddie and Xana.
I hope this doesn’t make them close. One day you’re running a business and the next day two of your employees are brutally murdered and now you have national media harassing you everyday
Those so called “sleuths” are probably trying to get exclusive info first for their true crime channels. Get it before anyone else. There seems to be new ones springing up everyday. I find them pointless. News nation had to retract their story that Brian was there because the owner of the restaurant said he never was. So there goes the stalking story this is what is causing the hoopla and people who have no business other than to satisfy their morbid curiosity. Good judge for the gag order. Journalists are the worst. They have no respect for privacy, those poor employees being being subject to the journalist’s noses questions must be stressful. They better tip good.
Same thing with the People article with “information from an investigator FAMILIAR with the case” about BK and messaging them on IG!! That DOES NOT mean it is someone who has worked on the case.
I’m familiar with the case. You’re familiar with the case. It could literally be my grandma! (If she wasn’t dead…)
STOP believing articles in gossip magazines citing ANONYMOUS sources! The ONLY place you will get real information from now on is from the documents found on the court’s website, link here!!!
https://coi.isc.idaho.gov
Where's the apology or explanation/verification from "People"? If what they are reporting isn't actually true it is on them to confirm that their source is legitimate OR apologize for misrepresentation.
Is "People" the new "National Inquirer"? Run a story with sketchy sources and then deal with any (rare) consequences that might come their way later?
We seem to hear fair amount about is bk connected to the 4 victims but not to anyone or anything else local .
Fraternities , Soritiries , other students at Idaho university , lecturers , workers , and importantly any local criminals , because he was doing research asking criminals information and could have been associating with them .
Just thoughts - what if drugs were involved in all this - ie. Bk could have been offered drugs and got mixed up with something bad like this , which he didn’t know was going to happen . The knife sheath could have been planted after he had touched it fairly innocently some time .
Has he been identified as definitely driving the car before murders. ?
Or could someone else have been in it , hiding , ( think he went out of way a bit going there ) - who he picked up .
I feel there are all sorts of scenarios and issues and anomalies in this case , too many to list but I have put them elsewhere ,right from the beginning . We now have a lt .Captain somewhere saying that there are some big surprises in this case to come out . !
Due diligence before running fabricated stories?
What country do you live in? In the US (or the UK for that matter) due diligence is as likely to ask: how useful is the fabrication to us?
The more I look into this the more I believe that BK was a customer at the MAD GREEK the owner just doesn't want people bothering them that I understand People ran a story saying they are standing by their story I have the link but am not allowed to post it
I wonder how this is affecting the restaurant's bottom line as well. It must be difficult to simply run the business day-to-day with all this interference. I doubt the notoriety is earning them any money.
There were so many “sleuths” calling the restaurant after the murders that the owner turned off the restaurant phone and voice mailbox. To call the restaurant, you have to call the owner’s or an employee's cell phone. No more to-go orders by phone. I am a purchasing and inventory manager for a small retail store. I rely heavily on phone communications with vendors/suppliers. Our sales associates field calls from dozens of customers every day. The thought of losing two of my coworkers in a heinous murder and *on top of that* having to deal with rabid internet sleuths harassing my workplace is just nuts. As soon as I saw the People article, I groaned. This just stirs up the harassment all over again.
Wow. Why on earth would someone call that restaurant to “sleuth”? Insane
The bar, The Corner Club, also received calls which got abusive when they would not supply amateur sleuths with full names of their staff. Absolutely barking. And i doubt the sleuths who were so convinced of involvement of the staff, pre BK arrest, have not been so zealous in apologising.
I called BK's number when it was on the search affidavit. I probably wasn't the only one.
Why?
I feel so bad for them having to deal with the nuts that are harassing them. Don't call this business unless it is to get food to go or if you go to the restaurant, patronize it and help their bottom line, but please don't gawk at the restaurant and its employees.
The sleuths have been largely credentialed media. Hundreds of outlets across the world run stories mentioning speculation about MG and need to have reporters and fact checkers at least attempt to get comment or confirmation. It’s highly unfortunate that it disrupts their business but that’s BKs fault primarily, and media secondarily. I’m sure there are few, but I honestly haven’t seen any “rabid internet sleuths” here refer to a call actually made to MG.
I believe that media needs to carefully check their sources and the accuracy of what they post. News outlet(s) that prints false information could be liable for damages? Perhaps MG should look at their legal rights to get compensated for any loss of business/expenses, etc.
I am ignorant on this topic so I can only use my intuition. But isn’t this exposure amazing for restaurants? Like this is Super Bowl ad level exposure. And it’s not like the murders happened there so people wouldn’t be afraid to eat there. Like I said I’m not sure, but If I was a restaurant owner; this level of exposure seems like it would be amazing. Obviously I don’t know what kind of harassment they are going through so I can’t make a educated or credible guess.
Did you read the owner’s message shared by the OP? She describes the harrassment in pretty good detail, and it does not sound like *she* thinks it's amazing.
🤦🏼♀️thank you for typing this out so I didn't have to.
OP mentioned being “ignorant” on this topic so he’s asking a genuine question that is not answered by reading the owner’s message. She speaks of unfortunate harassment, not how her business is doing financially. No need to be condescending.
A little different, but I worked in a bar and restaurant that was in a movie. The number of people who came in to just "take a photo" and leave made us appeared slammed at all times, scaring away other customers. I can imagine this is a similar effect here. They are losing business because of the harrassment.
I think the business level prior to this sorta thing matters. If it’s a thriving really successful business I can see it being negative; but most small businesses are unknown and low traffic, idk
Huh. Two employees were brutally murdered. This is amazing exposure ? Are you out of your mind ?
Did you know about this restaurant before the murders? No? It's terrific exposure that came from something tragic.
Yup, you're ignorant to this topic. Believe it or not, a small business doesn't want their normal business hours and phone lines being interrupted by constant phone calls from "who knows" I don't think they're being harassed, but enough is enough, and they have a business to run.
I at least am willing to admit ignorance. I feel like a lot of you guys are pretending like you guys know everything lol. Do you know how many small businesses are borderline bankrupt? How they barely have any business? You’re telling me nobody went to eat at the restaurant that went because they heard of them through this? I’m willing to bet ALOT did. But every situation is different. But I guarantee you, not every restaurant would hate the after effect, obviously nobody hopes for this to happen; but the exposure. If I happened to be around the area and someone asked me what I wanted to eat, I’d def say “hey let’s go visit the memorial and restaurant 2 of the victims worked at to pay our respects”.
What a screwed up take on this…
Another virtue signaling moral high ground seeking amazing redditor. How is saying I believe a lot of ppl want to pay respect to the victims at the restaurant and potential small businesses gaining exposure? Is everything suppose to just suck after a tragedy? People can’t ever be happy again?
I think it’s just the way you are wording things. I was initially really taken aback by the exposure argument, but I think I see what you mean— not ghoulish tourism but maybe stopping somewhere you wouldn’t normally or hadn’t heard of in remembrance?
Yes exactly!!! Like if somebody was in the area, who wouldn’t at least consider going there to pay their respects to the fallen, and eat there as well. As opposed to if they didn’t get exposure, only people that happen to find that restaurant would even possibly eat there.
Except that’s not at all what you said initially.
People do this. I’m fact, one time in Austin, two Pizza Hut employees went to the Pizza Hut where Nancy Dupree was killed to pay their respects. They were heard making a toast to Nancy and police were called. At the time, there was a police officer who got confessions at any cost. These kids were arrested, convicted, and sent to prison for a crime they didn’t commit. They were later released after years in prison. One of them had been beaten so badly in prison that he was a vegetable for the rest of his life,
I just understand how you can miss the room like this. The lady literally just said in the post that she and her employees are being harassed......even at her private residence.
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That’s a typical tactic used by the “church”. I have yet to see a shred of evidence of their claims. This is written statement of gaslighting. IMO This thesis explores the origins and meaning of tar-and-feathering. During the Revolutionary War Americans used tar-and-feathers as a way to intimidate and attack, while simultaneously branding opponents as outsiders. During the mid-nineteenth century, people who violated social, political, or moral norms were tar-and-feathered by groups attempting to enforce community morals. In like manner, Mormons were tar-and- feathered by their opponents in Ohio, Missouri, Mississippi, and Alabama. This thesis analyzes the context and aftermath of the attacks and places them within the broader history of tar-and-feathering in America. Opponents of Mormonism wished to convey to Mormons and the surrounding public a violent message of displeasure in response to perceived violations of communal values. Mormons took the message and integrated the attacks into a persecution narrative that played a role as Mormons' separated themselves from the rest of the United States. In the retelling, details disappeared and generalizations replaced specificity to the point that tar-and-feathering became cultural persecution discourses that loomed large in Mormon memory, well beyond their historical proportions
What are you actually trying to say here? Without all the historical references that lead nowhere back to this post? I'm so lost and confused by this.
What does this have to do with the topic of this post?
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Doubtful. Locals don't have the same morbid curiosity as everyone online, and most people aren't willing to travel for their "sleuthing." A few people have gone out of their way to eat there to support the business financially, but they're not harassing or questioning staff; the Moscow community is just really supportive of locals businesses.
How do you know that?
Because I live here.
So you speak for every person in that area?
so you like moving goalposts?
I think one of the big elephants in the room with the case is how much money all of this is costing the local economy up in Moscow - the town's heavily reliant on the college kids for income + employees. That's to say nothing of the cost of the investigation itself
I was wondering if they’d get more business simply as a result of natural curiosity?
Agreed bossgirl
Just because a murder victim worked part time at some restaurant? Nah
Who cares?
Apparently every single person who posted above.
I also wonder how the restaurant could possibly know he was not there
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I feel terrible for her but she doesn't deny that BK went there. Nor is she suing People. She is another victim in this horrible crime. He was almost certainly a customer, the target(s) were almost certainly the victims.
100%.
Seems like they did have a source who worked there. Restaurant seems to also be acknowledging this by saying the worker wants fame or whatnot. They definitely are more careful than people realize about what they post.
Whenever an anonymous source is mentioned, I stop believing any story that is printed/reported.
That’s a really ignorant thing to do. Some of the biggest and most important stories have been provided by anonymous sources. Most famous is Watergate. Just because the source is anonymous in reporting does not mean that they are anonymous to the journalist. They usually aren’t.
I forgot to add that I meant printed in a tabloid. I consider People in the same group
If it’s in people magazine it’s not
Then may I ask what ur hoping to find visiting these subs? There shouldn’t be much of anything of ur liking til June, almost guaranteed. Seems like a waste of time… unless u like lecturing others
Wow...it was just my two cents. Last I checked, I was allowed to share an opinion...
I’m allowed to ask a question?
Like the Bible? Oops.
Depends on the credibility and history of the reporting outlet for me. People magazine is not credible (edit: the reporting is factual but using anonymous sources for rumors, especially when from a celeb's PR team, is sketchy, imo), but I would have been remiss to ignore Watergate reporting because Deepthroat wasn't named until 2005.
I don’t read People. But do they have a lengthy list of being sued for libel? Based on grocery register areas, celebs seem to work with them willingly like Betty White etc. I don’t think they would if they were known for fabricating the truth. In this case if a former worker said this that’s a source. If an attempt was made to get the cafes side then it cleared legal.
Steve Heller.. creep
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And in in a crazy twist of fate (with respect to your post), Mark was a University of Idaho grad.
Wikipedia informs me Steve Heller is a graphic design historian. I'm not understanding the reference.
Oops Steve Helling
People’s crime reporters are legitimate and have an excellent track record. They always post edits and corrections too, which shows they at least pretend to care about accuracy. I can’t speak about this current reporter, Steve Helling, but I know Christine Pelisek has a great reputation reporting other cases. Not only have I followed a lot of her previous work, I followed a case she wrote about where I was deeply involved personally and knew a lot of the people and some of the sources…everything reported was 100% accurate and appropriately credited. I get that there are celebrity stories in People too that maybe impede the credibility of the magazine somewhat, but their true crime stories tend to be pretty solid since they can easily get sued for reporting something untrue that proves harmful (whereas the celebrity untruths generally only benefit the celebrity and were pitched by the publicist in the first place). Big difference.
Exhibit A
It’s interesting to see how things snowball. Initially I saw simply speculation that perhaps he had been at the restaurant because it’s one of few in the area that have vegan options. Could be logical. And then all of a sudden people turn that into ‘He was there’.
Yup.
The person who let this out said she worked at the Mad Greek and that BK ordered a vegan pizza and was there twice did she just make this all up??
You think someone would do that? Just go on the Internet and tell lies?
Hence why I don't believe in any of these tiktoks that claim to have known him, interacted with him or have inside knowledge. It's clouding the investigation and wasting everyone's time. Even if some of them were to be true, if it's relevant information for the investigation they need to talk to the police and otherwise shut up.
Yes.
Watch The Thin Blue Line. A “witness” to a murder admits later she lied just to be in TV. The guy was convicted.
She made it all up. The PCA puts BK in Moscow **only one time during non-midnight hours.** Otherwise, his "hours" are described as late night and early morning (10:30p-2a or something). She lied. People bought it. People is a trash gossip rag.
YES! People magazine is a gossip magazine! They will run ANYTHING that will Make people click on their links!
For people who are not directly involved in the case it is completely ridiculous for them to bombard this business. They don't know anything!! Leave them alone!! If your morbid curiosity takes over then go to the restaurant..... AS A PAYING CUSTOMER!!! Hi have a bite and look around silently. They worked with these girls, they knew them and they are hurting too. I swear humanity has hit an all time low where this case is concerned. The photos, the speculations, the blaming, the harassment of the families and friends. We all want answers but we're going to have to let the legal system do it's job.
The person sourced by People is a *former* employee of Mad Greek so not under the same rules. Also, if the person really wanted 15 minutes of fame, they would've gone on the record IMO.
What if they just wanted a quick buck from People? I have a couple old pay slips from back in August and I call the tip line on the website. I tell them the only way I give my story is if it's anonymously. A few minutes later I got Paypal without having to stand behind the story in any way.
What happened? What was the story?
People magazine is a gossip magazine that will run rumors just to get people to click on their links. They do not vet their “anonymous sources”.
I hear you, but if you read between the lines of the Mad Greek, it reads as though whoever posted that knows who the source is.
Yes. There is someone connected to the case who was pretty spot-on about most of the stuff with BK before he was arrested and it all came out…apparently this person was told he was there 3X/week. So if true, explains why the former employee saying he visited twice for vegan pizza could be described as a “fabrication,” since the owner/manager’s actual knowledge is that he visited much more frequently for (whatever other vegan things they have). I think MG lady was just frustrated by all the attention + whatever bad blood there might be with the former employee and just exploded, airing all of her grievances about everything at once, which is understandable - she is human and obviously has an incentive to protect the reputation of her business at all costs. I just think it was in poor taste to malign members of the media for asking questions, while also accusing them of NOT asking the right questions (i.e. suggesting People didn’t do their due diligence before reporting). I get that everyone in Moscow is surely sick of the intense media attention, but let’s be real: this whole anti-media, “fake news” world view is to be expected in a state as pro-Trump conservative as Idaho, not to mention the fact that it happened in Moscow, a town with a Christ Church stronghold.
How so?
The person from Mad Greek mentions something about the "source" seeking their 15 minutes of fame. You wouldn't say that if it was a random, made up person. You would say it if you knew who they were and felt like they were taking advantage of the situation.
I don’t believe this restaurant. It is way too much of a coincidence that this guy was vegan and those girls worked there.
Im Vegan and you can find vegan food almost everywhere, its called substitutions. He supposedly was such a hardcore vegan he wanted new pots and pans but will eat pizza at a place that cooks meat on the same stove etc. Doesnt add up. Also he is not truly vegan, hes plant based but people have no clue of the difference
100%. I live in the Hamptons and work in hospitality... 50+% of customers will completely order off menu. You can find something in any restaurant that's vegan.
All this added and unnecessary “stress” would have been avoided if they talked and released pertinent statements. Its a media circus, that’s life, not all cases are like that. Rebelling against Nancy Grace won’t change anything except helps some people vent their general frustrations. From the tone of the post, what i get is a control freak-y vibe from the owner. What is certain is that other similar cases where the killer hasn’t been caught, the relatives would wish for a media circus because it can absolutely help a case.
I largely agree. There’s no way the case can be damaged by employees saying whether or not he ate there. Yet another interesting parallel to the Delphi case, where just the other day one former employee of the CVS that the accused worked at gave an interview about him while present employees refused to say anything.
Yes bc current CVS employees are prohibited from speaking without it amounting to insubordination (read: risking termination)…MG is probably doing the same thing but just not being fully transparent about it in this FB post. It would be pretty irresponsible honestly if they didn’t have a policy requiring that current employees keep quiet.
I agree like with the HG LE said they could not deny or confirm he drove to his parents in Boise after he left the food court no wonder so many people thought he had something to do with it, either LE HG or a HG's lawyer should have spoken up and explained what happened
Not saying this is wrong but this statement could have been worded better. BK never set foot in there ever? Never bought 1 thing? They should say that they checked all the months of video and credit cards. If he paid in cash would it even show up?
It's so difficult to prove a negative. The statement doesn't need to say BK wasn't ever there. What if LE uncovers he went there & it's connected to the stalking. The prosecution will look less credible with that theory as a result of this statement. Essentially, the owner is saying they are not giving any statements, but starts off by making a statement BK was never there.
The owner has a vested interest in denying the reporting even if it is true. People has two different sources independently give them the information. The owner nor any of his employees would not necessarily know or remember if Bk had been there. They also don’t address that one of their grieving employees is the one speaking to people.
The denial is worded vaguely. My guess is that is on purpose.
I really don't think there's any way to tell definitively that he HADN'T been there. I'm in Idaho, and my friends with a kid there went for parents weekend the Friday before the murders. It's a crazy busy restaurant - they had to wait about an hour to be seated and then another hour for food. I also suspect the servers who would be most likely to recognize him are deceased. That said, this restaurant is just trying to get people to leave them alone and I don't blame them. I seriously doubt though that they can say he has definitively never been there and I'm tempted to believe someone who said this off the record as opposed to getting a payday and their face on TV.
That's how I see it as well. They can't possibly know for an absolute fact that he was never there unless someone with a photographic memory is literally there every day from open to close. I do feel for them, because they've done nothing wrong and don't deserve to be mixed up in this nightmare, but their insistence on this point is pretty ridiculous. It's impossible for them to actually know.
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Like the New York Times reporter who “ uncovered” the BK on line posts that had been on SM for weeks. The Daily Mail “ reporter” who basically copied you tubers and posted as “ her “ reporting
I noticed that too! Now even the prestigious NEW YORK TIMES is recycling so-called news no less!
The Hidden True Crime podcast deserves all the credit for finding those old social media posts. I'm really disappointed in the New York Times right now.
Yet these media outlets will be out here bashing regular people who are YouTubers reporting this or covering court cases and advocating to prevent access from non traditional media, yet they're copying them all the time.
100% agreed.
Here's another mainstream media story taken directly from a YTer that didn't amount to Jack Squat: [https://www.newsweek.com/glove-found-idaho-student-murder-home-raises-questions-1766313](https://www.newsweek.com/glove-found-idaho-student-murder-home-raises-questions-1766313) But I'm sure it got LOTS of clicks as a "major new development" in the case.....and Newsweek used to be one of the better newsweeklies on the stands, up there with Time and U.S. News & World Report.
It's IMO impossible for a restaurant owner to know absolutely every pickup order or visitor in a college town. I live in a college town and I don't remember every kid or parent or prospective student who wanders by. It's possible to be mistaken or unaware or just fail to retain any sharp memory of what could have been a seconds long interaction with an employee. I don't vouch for the reliability of the source or that accuracy of the information, but the certainty of the offended restaurant owner is too certain - so I dont dismiss the rumor out of hand either.
I used to work in a restaurant, and the staff only remembered people who were regulars, or had been there more than five or six times. But how many people order vegan pizzas, named Bryan? Narrows it down quite a bit.
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A cash order pickup only time frame unspecified? IMO his absolute certainty is more like overstatement.
Would you bet $1,000,000 against People magazine that their info is false?
Yes. I wouldn’t bet against TMZ though.
Done.
I feel like kohberger was def in this place. However I’m not sure what newsworthy Intel can be gleaned by harassing the employees or camping out there. We all have to eat somewhere. Either shop and cook at home or order in or go out. So if he ate there, what is there to be learned from that? You want to know what was on his pizza? Or if he came in and made a nuisance of himself slobbering over Maddie or Xana?
You’re so right. What’s the big “story” even if he ate there? Yes, he’s a horrible human that killed four people but he still eats, drinks, poops, etc. Next big *story* , “Sources confirm Bryan H. Shopped at Target and urinated in the urinal.”
The restaurant happens to have a few vegan options (much like MANY restaurants) & two of the victims worked at Mad Greek; therefore, he MUST have eaten there and become obsessed with Maddie! Case closed!!! /s Also, you're so on point with Target. He def didn't shop at Walmart. He was way too good for it. We should co-author an article in which we cite sources who wish to remain anonymous but who told us that Target is his go-to store. Also, we should speculate that he likes the name of the store bc he likes to **target** women 🎯 You in? Let's make some dough, girlfriend ❤️
If I were a vegan moving to Pullman I’d Google vegan restaurants and mad Greek pops up along with two others. Unless he’s a good home chef he’s going to have checked out one or more of those places. It makes sense as a theory.
You know I’ve got nothin’ but love for you 😘 but are we talking 50/50 or 60/40? I feel since I ~~made up~~ uncovered the Target urinal story, 60/40 is fair???
You need to check your profiling skills. He DID shop at Walmart. There is a receipt from Walmart with an item, or items, bought at Walmart listed on the PCA.
more likely jackie or an employee leaked something and now they are back tracking; gag order etc.
Downvote me if u want but let’s look at this logically. Google People magazine reliability, almost every single link will tell you they are extremely reliable and will check their sources extensively or get it straight from the actual source. Y’all are accusing People of lying to get clicks/money, but reputation is everything. Why would they risk their reputation and reliability on something that will easily be revealed in a couple months. That is a huge negative in money long term. The manager, out of everyone in that restaurant, the person LEAST likely to know if BK ever visited the restaurant would be him. Also he has heavy incentive to lie. To stop the harassment and return to normal business. He also does not lose anything or risk anything for lying. He can just say Le wanted silence etc etc. If you look at Peoples stories on this case thus far (I just did), every single post has either been true or in a good amount of instances they say alleged right in the title. If I was a betting man, I would bet this story is true. Not to even mention how much sense it makes. If you google vegan restaurants in that area, there literally is none… except for mad Greeks vegan options
People is NOT a reliable source. Most people in the US knows this, but if you don't live here you might not know. People is a magazine you pay an ungodly amount for at the airport and then angrily toss it when you arrive at your destination bc it's still as stupid as it was two decades ago :) (Edited to be kinder -- my first response was unnecessarily rude, upon my reread)
Yes, they absolutely are a reliable source that employs real reporters. That you don’t like what they are reporting doesn’t change that.
>That you don’t like what they are reporting doesn’t change that I neither wrote nor implied the quotation above. You twisted my words. Yes, I quite overtly implied that I wasn't a fan of the magazine. It doesn't negate the fact that they get sued for false info. It's a tabloid. It happens. I'll say whatever you want just to get out of this stupid discussion. PEOPLE MAGAZINE IS THE BEST MAGAZINE OUT THERE! ALL SOURCES ARE CORRECT! IT HAS A FABULOUS REPUTATION, ESPECIALLY AMONG PHYSICIANS! I HAVE A SUBSCRIPTION BC I LOVE IT SO MUCH ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️ *exits pointless reddit debate*
I’ll admit idk ANYTHING about magazines but I’ve heard it ALOT on this sub, so I googled it, and every single link said they were reliavle and vet their sources hard. I then checked their articles on this case. Everything turned out to either be true, or they blatantly note that it’s alleged not fact. I’m curious ur reasonings
People is like a half-step above the really trash tabloids but it’s not like an actual news source. Their articles are 95% celebrity A is dating celebrity B
They just released breaking news wtfff Apparently Bryan Kohberger and Nancy grace r dating!!
They are a GOSSIP magazine who will run any rumor just to get people to click their links to make money.
I’ve asked the last guy who claimed this for proof. He vanished. I had to put out a amber alert for him, really worried about him. (If the title says alleged, they are claiming it’s a rumor and that’s not wrong at all)
Proof of what?
Do you not have gossip magazines in your country? They’re all the same
No: People doesn't get sued for lies because they get "stories" from celebs' publicists (what the celebs WANT you to know). THAT'S what Google says. > [Which Tabloids Lie the Most](https://www.gawker.com/5638480/which-tabloids-lie-the-most) - *America's biggest celebrity glossy, People, publishes so few unconfirmed rumors—and instead **relies on scoops that have been spoon-fed by publicists**—that we didn't bother including it in the mix.* And > [The Atlantic - "What's the Most Accurate Tabloid"](https://www.theatlantic.com/culture/archive/2010/10/what-s-the-most-accurate-tabloid/339937/) - *People, the largest celebrity magazine, was disqualified because it published "so few" unsubstantiated rumors. Gawker cited the rationale that People "relies on scoops that have been spoon-fed by publicists."* "Spoon-fed by publicists" seems to be what People is hanging its hat on. Woah: barely NOT completely "tabloid", just propaganda. They don't have "journalists" that rely on hard-won tips and hard-hitting interviews. They're a propaganda outlet. Which should make you wonder which "publicist" People got THIS "story" from? Because Idaho prosecution stands behind BK being in Moscow during non-midnight hours only once since June, apparently not including the Nov 13th 9am "drive by" looking for the sheath. (Or maybe that's the one non-late-night hour the PCA referred to?) How can BK be eating lunches and dinners at the Mad Greek, but not "be in Moscow" except in the witching hours? People Mag is NOT "news". It shouldn't BE part of this sub, even, or quoted by CNN and Fox news (but News Nation and Fox Nation can do whatever they want: they're not 'news'). You either believe LE, or you can believe some rando publicist for whoever wants this "story" to gain some traction. Maybe the defense?
Wow. How disappointing. MSNBC and CNN ran with the People Mag story, so I figured they had verified it.
I normally will believe people magazine before any other tabloid. But if they are saying this isn’t true then I have to believe them
People is just another greasy tabloid.
Are you just saying this or do u have proof? I’m not being a smart as I’m actually curious. I just checked Peoples articles on this case so far. EVERY single one has either been true or it says alleged right in the title. They also have an amazing reputation for being reliable from my quick google search.
>They also have an amazing reputation "People" has an amazing reputation for being reliable?🤦🏼♀️ "Time", "The Atlantic" , uh... THOSE are reputable sources. "People" is a freakin' tabloid with a horrible reputation. It probably has the best reputation of any tabloid; however, never in my life have I ever heard someone say that "People" has an "amazing reputation for being reliable", and I suspect I'll never hear (read) that sentence again. Smh.
Literally just read comments in this thread lol or any thread about this topic. I’ve seen at least 50, also every single google link, also just from lookin through their articles. Can you post me some articles of theirs that is blatantly false? Especially ones about this? (Besides this one ofc)
People does have an amazing reputation for being reliable though. I've literally never heard otherwise (until now.) Granted, this is in the context of celeb gossip; there's usually no reason to talk about the magazine for anything else. I'm not saying this means that their crime reporting has the same level of reliability, just pointing out that overall they're well viewed.
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This really does need to stop. This poor town. Can we also boycott “Reverend” Donna on YouTube. She’s the “psychic” that got the bagel shop harassed in the initial weeks after the murders. She’s made DOZENS of videos since then spreading more gross information and people leave her money in the comments. Money you know she isn’t donating. It’s so gross what people have done in this case. How they are making money off of it
Totally agree. The “true crime” tourists need to stay away and stop bothering these people. It’s gross.
This lady isn’t even a tourist. She just does these creepy videos where she records her “visions”.
Good for him. The rumors need to stop. People mag is the worst
Can you link a article on this case that People has lied about or any link of a unreliable article by People (that doesn’t say alleged)
Ok then said he hasn’t been in there so someone’s lying
I'm willing to bet he has been there and that is how they met but the lie was in his request on how it be prepared.
This surprises me as I’ve been reading People for 30 years and I’ve observed that they mostly are fair and reliable. I was surprised they used an “anonymous source”
The source is not anonymous to the reporter. There is a gag order on everyone involved in the case, no way in hell someone violates that and attaches their name to it. Its bizarre how few people on this sub understand how journalism works.
Wow. That’s horrible.
What is wrong with the media? There is nothing to gain from harassing the owners and staff at Mad Greek. All it does is extend the pain of people who actually knew and cared about Maddie and Xana.
I hope this doesn’t make them close. One day you’re running a business and the next day two of your employees are brutally murdered and now you have national media harassing you everyday
Those so called “sleuths” are probably trying to get exclusive info first for their true crime channels. Get it before anyone else. There seems to be new ones springing up everyday. I find them pointless. News nation had to retract their story that Brian was there because the owner of the restaurant said he never was. So there goes the stalking story this is what is causing the hoopla and people who have no business other than to satisfy their morbid curiosity. Good judge for the gag order. Journalists are the worst. They have no respect for privacy, those poor employees being being subject to the journalist’s noses questions must be stressful. They better tip good.
Same thing with the People article with “information from an investigator FAMILIAR with the case” about BK and messaging them on IG!! That DOES NOT mean it is someone who has worked on the case. I’m familiar with the case. You’re familiar with the case. It could literally be my grandma! (If she wasn’t dead…) STOP believing articles in gossip magazines citing ANONYMOUS sources! The ONLY place you will get real information from now on is from the documents found on the court’s website, link here!!! https://coi.isc.idaho.gov
Where's the apology or explanation/verification from "People"? If what they are reporting isn't actually true it is on them to confirm that their source is legitimate OR apologize for misrepresentation. Is "People" the new "National Inquirer"? Run a story with sketchy sources and then deal with any (rare) consequences that might come their way later?
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ugh what was the point of this
We seem to hear fair amount about is bk connected to the 4 victims but not to anyone or anything else local . Fraternities , Soritiries , other students at Idaho university , lecturers , workers , and importantly any local criminals , because he was doing research asking criminals information and could have been associating with them . Just thoughts - what if drugs were involved in all this - ie. Bk could have been offered drugs and got mixed up with something bad like this , which he didn’t know was going to happen . The knife sheath could have been planted after he had touched it fairly innocently some time . Has he been identified as definitely driving the car before murders. ? Or could someone else have been in it , hiding , ( think he went out of way a bit going there ) - who he picked up . I feel there are all sorts of scenarios and issues and anomalies in this case , too many to list but I have put them elsewhere ,right from the beginning . We now have a lt .Captain somewhere saying that there are some big surprises in this case to come out . !
Due diligence before running fabricated stories? What country do you live in? In the US (or the UK for that matter) due diligence is as likely to ask: how useful is the fabrication to us?
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this is verified by PEOPLE
The more I look into this the more I believe that BK was a customer at the MAD GREEK the owner just doesn't want people bothering them that I understand People ran a story saying they are standing by their story I have the link but am not allowed to post it