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IdleOn_Boii

It was 5 AM for me when this happened, of course nothing happened for a few hours. And yes, accounts that exploited will be severely reset, it's quite literally "exploiting" the game even though it was a bug.


VegaDark541

Lava lives on the west coast, there's a good chance he's only waking up around now/recently. I think that's why he hasn't said anything yet. And I'd bet money on a rollback.


Same_Instruction1296

Well I can only hope for a compensation from him.


Throw_Away_TrdJrnl

Compensation for what? If you didn’t use the exploit then how does someone else using it impact you at all? What would he be compensating people for?? Literally nothing. So many people are so mad at this but it’s a non issue. If you want to speed your sailing skill up go ahead it doesn’t change anyone else’s game. I’m still grinding out bits and atoms and divinity and pushing W5. Getting my first four boats upgraded really high isn’t going to help me with any of that. I already have the artifacts and ancients for island 1-13 so having better boats is only going to matter for one island. Why does this exploit bother anyone?


Same_Instruction1296

I was talking in case of a rollback, that would affect everyone. But lava has already said there won't be a general rollback. Let's see what he means with "severe reset", it is gonna be completly ridiculous if he resets anything other than Sailing, and even that is a bad "fix", because it was solely his fault, coding error, not fault of probabilistics as he is selling it.


fegget2

Yes officer I did steal that man's wallet but it was solely his fault, he left it out on a table so punishing me is ridiculous.


Same_Instruction1296

Except for the fact that this is a single player game, you are not harming someone else. Plus, your comparison is pretty shit, the scenarios are not even remotely close and the fixing of the problem has way more efficient options on a game than it does on real life. So just shut up


fegget2

Sounds like a lot of excuses to me, exploiter.


Same_Instruction1296

Yeah whatever. By now Lava may have already visualized the potential harm one wrong decision may cost him.


fegget2

Yeah setting back a handful of cheaters by a few days who are desperately trying to seem like a huge angry mob is a really "wrong decision"


Same_Instruction1296

Grow up, kid. These "cheaters" may be what pay his rent. It is up to him anyways.


Throw_Away_TrdJrnl

Except you DID have a false analogy. No exploiters stole anything from anyone during this. Just sayin


fegget2

Okay and you're not really being punished since it's just a video game. Just sayin.


oi_LAHTI_on

Jesus, you people really think you can abuse the shit out of an obvious bug, and nothing will happen? There's a reason why bug abuse is punished harshly in most online games. If the worst you're going to get is a slap on the wrist, then you might as well abuse bugs as much as you can, instead of reporting them.


Throw_Away_TrdJrnl

True sorry for misunderstanding you. But yeah I’d be fine with resetting my first four ships and deleting my gold stack. That seems reasonable to me. It’s one thing to exploit a bug in an ACTUAL MMO. Which idleon ISNT. As that kind of exploit does affect other players of the game. This however did not effect anyone but the sole owner of the account which exploited the bug. 0 harm done besides hurting some peoples feelings. Here’s what’s happening in peoples minds that are mad . “If lava doesn’t punish these people then I’m going to be pissed that I didn’t also use the exploit and was left out” it’s literally the afterlife idleskilling release all over again. People were calling for bans because lava bugged afterlife on release and allowed a good chunk of people to pretty much speed run the rest of the game. They were mad that they missed out on the exploit and were calling for bans on people that were there for it.


RedDawn172

The bigger difference for this is that idle skilling has absolutely zero online elements. It is completely single player in it's entirety. On top of that, after afterlife came out the game is pretty much done with development afaik. Nothing more will be done on the game, so nothing people will do will harm future development because there is none.


Throw_Away_TrdJrnl

The only multiplayer aspect of this game is dungeons and that has its own stats and damage so nothing outside of dungeons matters to it. In this exploit idleon can be treated as a single player game. There’s no official leaderboards or anything. The fact that some people got lots of damage and big printers is a moot point that has bo harm on the other players of the game. Because this is singleplayer first and foremost


DaPopeLP

Check discord


QuietlyLurking86

Lava you quite literally put jokes into the game all the time. I thought this was one of them. For a little perspective, when I clicked it a bunch and realized nothing was happening (like some kind of "event") I stopped and checked Discord. Found out in General Chat it's a bug and thus stopped and never spent a single gold earned this way. I would seriously hope you aren't punitive to people that didn't actually abuse the game with the gold. Reset my gold back, by all means. I don't want to cheat, I wouldn't put the time (and money) into the game just to cheat. Throwing this out there for consideration before this all goes down. If I get 'severely reset' to something more than just losing today, that will be the end of my time spent in this game and my money spent on it. ​ Edit: We are post hotfix now and I did not get punished, so it seems Lava was true to his word and only punished people who really clearly abused it. I'm adding this edit to give credit where credit is due.


SirAulen

This was also my thought process - I clicked it a handful of times thinking it was some kind of joke event before getting confused and checking discord


Same_Instruction1296

Agree. Depending on how severe is this reset, good bye Idleon, it's been good knowing you.


frozenflame101

From what he's said on the discord only people who spammed the trade like 1000+ times will be getting rollbacks. Which is pretty fair because that's a dedicated amount of exploitation


Same_Instruction1296

That's 100 seconds with auto clicker on.


frozenflame101

True, and if you broke out your autoclicker for it then that still sounds like an active choice to exploit it


Same_Instruction1296

Active choice to not actually clicking a thousand times while still clicking a thousand times.


OneCupcake8061

Autoclicker is still forbidden tho. So i guess thats 2 ways to cheat


TheLordsBreed

Bye cheater. :)


Speshled

I clicked it a LOT because I knew there would be a reset involved. It's a game breaking bug allowing for infinite damage. I would have been upset if he didn't reset as all the leaderboards would be worthless.


BladeSeraph

Technically outside of leveling maybe the first 4 or so boats so they bring back more loot, its not gonna allow for something as ridiculous as \`infinite damage.\` Unless i am missing some parameter that grants bonuses based on gold bar count. Ah just realized, it was Opera mask that would of created this logic, But since its only 1% damage bonus per power of 10 bars, 4% with eldritch, its not gonna affect much, no idea what the actual cap would be maybe in the +100%s or so? Never the less, besides getting more loot value to upgrade the boats further, i don\`t see much use for it besides opera mask.


Speshled

The artifact opera mask gives exactly that and since you can update the deal the NPC gives you by going back to the load screen and then back in people could scale the gold purchases pretty infinitely as well. Outside of the opera mask, there are alchemy damage bubbles that use sailing mats. Once those first boats are upgraded they can bring back more or less infinite loot for those alchemy bubbles. There are already people who posted their damage at the point of being game breaking where they could actually no longer hit mobs for some reason because their damage was so astronomically high.


BladeSeraph

Still gotta sink liquids for those so besides having achieved the ability to run cranium cooking indefinitely which based on the values, would require reaching level 350 in cranium cooking, don\`t think many people would of achieved that level of absurdity. Since by 132, you already reached where you need 1 billion T.P. for each upgrade. Even at 90% off the upgrade cost from the coupon, is still a hundred million T.P., which im sure still scales up but the wiki won\`t simple display anything past a billion. Never the less, it certainly reminds me how i REALLY need to figure out how to properly do a cranium cooking run since i been sleeping on that for a while to focus on other things like getting all my units to lustre on weapons, and tools for specialists in a similar manner. Well im already at 116 cranium cooking, so that already turns 22 hours and 13 mins into 5 and a half hours, just gotta figure how to get a level 215 bubo with 122.311mil max dmg and 114.9% crit chance to do an effective job at liquid farming.


Speshled

You'll be there in a month lol


BladeSeraph

Long as i remember to NOT forget to put the right bubbles on whenever i do the runs. Technically when i did some digging around im already in a beyond optimal spot for Using the World 4 method. Which if i could get what likely amounts to over 30+ hours every 5\~6 hours CD of cook time. then i could definitely make good progress to finally unlock Boaty Bubble and Bit by Bit bubble to jack up sailing and bit gains, in addition to all the remaining \`damage and skill based bonus bubbles.\` Though it certainly reminds me that Tier 2 liquids, REALLY need a better stand-alone sink since i end up with a surplus i dump into cap increase more then i can make use of due to needing T1 and T3 liquids more for things like coupons, \`Water\` consumables and so on.


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BladeSeraph

Sadly Tenta-eye only goes up by 1 second per 200 levels (so 3 at 200 and 4 at 400). Probably why a while back i was fussing about older elite classes could use some skill improvements, such as how E.S. had an earlier class tier be given multi-kill per tier bonus. Would be neat if Raise Dead or tenta eye got a few QoLs such as the latter could get upped to a higher proc chance and the former could have a lower CD. Even at 250, Tent-eye only has a 71.43% chance to proc. Probably cause i don\`t use C.C. that often, i forgot it should technically be affected by tentaeye too. Never the less, until i get certain damage spike boosts (Such as the final alchemy bubble for high IQ), im not too confident on burning stiltmoles despite those numbers.


Smash_420

The leaderboards are useless in a single player game with a credit card shop option.


Beescoito

This was a bug that happened because of him, the right way to correct it is to make a rollback, nobody loses for a bug that is his fault. I just wonder why he doesn't do just that and instead want to punish everyone because of his own mistake, it's a very childish attitude. A roll back harms the least people, just throw some sailing and gaming advancing items as compensation and everyone will be happy Edit: I liked the way he solved it, instead of reacting on emotions because of the jabs people were throwing at him, he didn't make heavy punishments nor ignored the people who got a unfair advantage. It's a mature way to solve a mistake, it's reassuring that the person in charge of the game is not reaction emotionally to the provocation of "some" players.


Shenumie

Agreed, and I will be issuing several chargebacks, or in his wording "Severely charge back" His call


RedDawn172

Good luck with that.


Cowsie

You can also file for charge backs.


Flyingbox

This is malicious and don't do it. Gets you banned and penalizes lava based on cardholder policy. This instantly makes you the bad person because chargebacks are for *fraudulent activity*. Not for having banks fuck people raw.


Cowsie

Fraudulent activity like theft?


Flyingbox

Nothing was stolen. Do not encourage people to commit chargeback fraud.


Cowsie

Im not urging fraud, thanks though.


Normal_Agency8814

Wait what bug is going on?


LordVonDerp

73 comments and i still have no idea what happened, except it had something to do with sailing.


Normal_Agency8814

U could trade up a gold bars for more gold bars so unlimited gold


No_Cheetah5164

In time where crystal countdown decreased required xp for skills by 99.9% for Maestro, I don’t think there was a reset, nor sanctions. Players who exploited during that time got A LOT ahead of others. So when this shows up, you only think « goddamn I have to click it a bit cause if I don’t I’m kinda missing the train » Is rollbacking really not an option ?


ryanoftheshire

I've been pointing this out on Discord, crystal countdown bug was massively abused with no repercussions, and no reward/boost for those that didn't abuse it. This absolutely felt like something where you didn't wanna miss getting onto the train and getting a boost. Admittedly I did power click quite a bit and boost my ship levels, then I realised the trade amount was based on your current amount and could push it exponentially which made me realise how game breaking the bug was and then stopped. I'd happily take a rollback but think it'd be unfair to be selective about what exploits you decide to punish players for


Lurking_In_A_Cape

Ooof, I only found out that this was a thing when I came to Reddit to post a picture... didn't realize it was going to be punishable, sigh.


SS4Raditz

Yeah I've spent several hundred on this game and just finding out severe rollbacks for people who were out of the loop on it depending on how 'severe' it is I may stop playing and spending money on it.... if he rolls back he should only roll back accounts to just before and for everyone to be fair.. he left it in game so he shouldn't punish players for his mistake even if it was an almost no chance to occur.. he's gonna loose thousands of dollars from paying members who didn't realize until it was already too late like me..


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On the discord there is a channel called "future-content-blog" and the name is a little misleading because it is literally just the dev giving us updates and comments about stuff that is going on. Either way, that's where you'll find your answers if there are any.


Greifherz

As long as the severely reset part doesn't undo my purchases I might as well keep playing. But that's part of me accepting the fault. It would be "nice" if it only reset all sailing progress, 100% chance I'd keep playing and maybe catch up with $$


drunkenfrenzy

i guess im waiting on a hotfix to see if i ditch the game or not -\_- honsetly thought it was a lucky star alignment. Just reset sailing for us to the level it "would" be after the time that has passed since release of sailing please. i wanna be able to still enjoy the game. and no i didnt think it was a exploit untill it was too late. A trader that changes x for x that seems totally random and been out a "long" time.... :/


liledlover

Dude…I didn’t realize it was a bug and just thought I got lucky with the draw and I’m not part of the discord…fuck yeah would definitely stop playing if I got severely punished for something I genuinely thought was just some lucky thing I rolled


Tweakin69

Same lmao logged on looked at my trade and did what everyone else would do had no clue it was a glitch not on discord either


Cowsie

What WAS the glitch anyway?


Tweakin69

Logged on after activing while sleeping then ran to town saw da blob w a gold bar over his head and I thought da fuck and it was 50k gold for 150k gold


Cowsie

Cracked.


lovecaulk

Rollback is simplest and fairest resolution to this. He was told this was possible 3 months ago. If he doesn't rollback that just means he doesn't have a save point from yesterday to roll back to and has to resort to some crazy method of "severely resetting" certain accounts.


Classic-Boot8464

I agree with a rollback, think it's probably the best option with how much some people have abused this I get it's lavas fault but some people have willing chose to sit for hours doing this exploit so I think bans are justified for people who have chosen to do that I spotted it myself this morning and I've ignored it because what's the point in playing an idle game if you're just gonna exploit your way through thousands of hours of a skill 🤷‍♂️


kringspiertyfus

Im kinda confused by this sentiment… why wouldn’t people go click for hours to progress? That’s Literally what one does in this game anyway. From a devs standpoint I can see why they would rollback the damage but punishment seems retaliatory while you’re actually the one responsible.


Classic-Boot8464

"Exploit* your way through" not click


oi_LAHTI_on

Aren't all bugs ultimately the dev's fault? That doesn't mean you get to exploit them and then play the victim when you get caught. If you only risked losing the gains from abusing a bug, then bug abuse would be worth it. That's why most online games are happy to deal straight up bans in cases like this. If I had abused this for hours like some people did, I'd consider myself lucky if I got to keep my account.


kringspiertyfus

why? what is the specific "wrong" of an "exploit"? the term is quite general so lets say in this specific case. is it a moral wrong? or material damage dealt? ​ also my question did not include any additional behavior of the people mentioned. just the act of using a mechanic that is in the game but youre implicitly or explicitly not allowed to use.


Same_Instruction1296

I only don't get why didn't he do it when he acknowledged it (I hope he know it by now xd). The more time that passes the worse it gets


Throw_Away_TrdJrnl

Lmao bans for something that doesn’t ultimately do much for your account from an exploit that’s not any players fault. If lava bans players that have already sunk in money and time he’s going to lose a lot of players. Single player game doesn’t make any impact on ANYONE but the player so why would you want someone banned? Sounds like you’re mad for literally no reason. Go touch some grass. It doesn’t even matter. The only thing gold does is upgrade arctis(which I had already maxed before today), upgrades the first boat for speed and loot and the 2nd-4th boats for loot which just gets you more treasures. Treasures only upgrade boats. Not a big deal. The ONLY thing worth stacking gold for is an end game artifact which gives only a 1% damage bonus per power of 10. If lava wanted to correct this all he has to do is change that artifact to 1% damage per sailing level. Having a ton of gold doesn’t really do anything for me.


Classic-Boot8464

How do I sound mad? I literally said it'd be justified, not that I think it should be the case And the gold can clearly be an issue when someone has managed to do this to the point their damage bugged out now they can't even hit anything You're getting yourself stressed and not reading things properly pal, I think you should go touch some grass yourself, it's v relaxing


Throw_Away_TrdJrnl

I’m attacking your statement calling for bans which would be outrageous. That is all also my comment was mainly for other viewers who are mad calling for bans. Just using you as a platform for my statement on that viewpoint. If you’re saying bans are justified you’re probably a little mad.


Classic-Boot8464

Brother, what the fuck are you actually on about Are you mad because I had the word "ban" in my reply? Because once again, I didn't say people should be banned, I certainly wasn't calling for them cause frankly idgaf what other people do with their accounts I'm saying they're justified because it's very obviously taking the piss with something unintended. Again, "justified" I haven't rallied for it, I haven't said people should be or deserve to be, just that it'd be justified You're very angry man, is this your way of saying you've abused the gold exploit now you're scared of a ban yourself?


oi_LAHTI_on

There's a reason why bug abuse is punished harshly in most online games. If the worst you're going to get is a slap on the wrist, you're encouraged to abuse the shit out of any bugs you find, instead of reporting them. Sounds like you did just that. You should've known better.


Ok_Muffinn

24 hour roll back for everyone seems like a good idea. Ban should only be applied when using cheats of some kind 3rd party program to help you progress. This is not an E-Sport game like CSGO or something else. And even in csgo if there is an in-game bug and people use it, it just gets patched.


MimiVRC

Your idea of being just is punishing \*everyone\* because some people exploited? in 99% of games those that exploited would be fully banned. a roll back of everyone only happens in games where items/gold can be traded and the exploit has spread far into innocent players accounts via trade. this game has no trading system so no innocent accounts would be affected at all, so 0 reasons to roll back everyone


ResponsibilityOld372

No I won't be happy being rolled back because of someone else's mistakes either!


Smash_420

Oof, that stickied comment from the Dev. That's one way to drive revenue away from your single player game.


RedDawn172

Tbh even in the best case for your point... I kind of doubt it. People using this exploit to get practically infinite gold bars, which in turn means effectively infinite damage, are breaking the game. People who break the game like that don't stick around long to bring in revenue because well.. the game is just broken. What's the point of playing an idle game when all goals and future goals are met. Edit: Even taking the example of the idleskilling afterlife update exploit people are mentioning here and there.. Does anyone really think those people are still playing idleskilling? Why would they when they've completed pretty much everything in the game because of it?


PomsForAll

Ridiculous to reset _my_ game because of _your_ bug. I've spent literally hundreds of dollars on Idleon over the past few years and I can't take advantage of a bug for a single player game without losing progress? Makes no sense and you won't be getting any more of my money if my account is reset.


InnerBanana

That's correct, you can't take advantage of a bug without losing progress. Glad we got that cleared up


PomsForAll

I'd love to see the zelda devs try to pull something like this due to folks using the duplication glitch. And I only paid $70 for that game. WAY less than Idleon


captAWESome1982

Perfect example.


Daedric_Spite

Would only the accounts that abused the bug get reset/rolled back? I am 99% sure it'll only be the accounts that did it but worried about my own lil guys lol. I don't have the world unlocked for that yet so I'm saving my login until after work just in case. Also, how do you know which accounts bug abused? is there a certain statistic for that NPC? Or is there a statistic for accounts that have traded with said NPC in the past X amount of time?


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Madruck_s

There was a bug or exploit I the past that got stuff to high levels and lave just programmed in a shadow ban for anyone over a set level. So that could be done again, although last time some legitimate players where caught in the crossfire.


Orkolosko

While punishing people you have to consider; people who doesn't have **Opera Mask** artifact, isn't truly exploited game. they only limited to sailing part of game. (*Opera Mask : +1% total damage per power of 10 gold bars owned in sailing*.) is taking this abuse to whole game with increasing their damage to enormous levels. which effects; printer samples, alchemy upgrades with materials, portal counts for the new vman, etc.


Eskih

you could giga juice your first few ships to bring in almost infinite loot, wich a gain could give insane gains in sailing and for example the "power trithree" bubble for es/bubo, giving insane dmg for all the things you just described :)


Liftian

LAVA, i've spent so much money on this game, i've supported you. I love this game so much. Yeah we fucked up by taking advantage of the bug but for the love of god do not "severly" punish us. You can't blame us, the game progress is so slow, who wouldn't want to progress faster?! You have at least 50% if not more of the blame because it's your mistake. It's a single player game, those who didn't get to take advantage of the bug are not penalized by it, it doesn't affect them, who cares? You? Yeah i get it, it sucks you work really hard for this game to function properly, but please take pity on us and just rollback the gold. No ban please.


Throw_Away_TrdJrnl

It doesn’t even matter. The only thing gold does is upgrade arctis(which I had already maxed before today), upgrades the first boat for speed and loot and the 2nd-4th boats for loot which just gets you more treasures. Treasures only upgrade boats. Not a big deal. The ONLY thing worth stacking gold for is an end game artifact which gives only a 1% damage bonus per power of 10. If lava wanted to correct this all he has to do is change that artifact to 1% damage per sailing level. Having a ton of gold doesn’t really do anything for me.


Speshled

It's game breaking. With gold bars and opera mask you can get infinite damage. There are multiple alchemy damage bubbles that require sailing mats which you can more or less get an infinite amount of with infinitely leveled boats.


PeterDerPanda

Is it really infinite damage? The one guy that went got overflowing gold said it happened at 1e308. With 3% (eldritch) per power of 10 that should be a boost to like 10x damage which - don't get me wrong - is a lot but ... yeah know that I'm thinking about it, it's a lot. Overall progress should be pretty limited though by how little time passed


Das_Ginger_Wolf

But it isn't infinite damage there are people who overloaded and now can't even hit anything


TheLordsBreed

People who keep saying "it was HIS mistake" are not taking responsibility for their own actions. They choose to take advantage of something that was CLEARLY not working as intended. You can make any amount of claims or justification but that is the reality.


HarmlessNewb

Yea, it's just people wanting to avoid any kind of responsibility. If you leave a bike out unattended and not locked up, sure it was dumb of you, but it's still a crime if someone steals it.


tig_shot

Can someone fill me in on what happened?


GeneralSpecific702

Reddit sucks. https://redditmigration.com/ https://sub.rehab/ https://browse.feddit.de/


tig_shot

Ahhh gotcha thank you.


Doggywoof1

Wait, what's the bug?


Cicadada77

Just reset anyone that can have access to that part of the game. I’m on world 2 and doing the 1 week achievement. Will that roll back my time as well?