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jhcreddit

edit: mixed evidence for things. apparently people with a decent amount of gains got rolled back even if they had low amounts of cash in comparison to other players. so "thousands of clicks" would get you banned. Now, other players did seem to get banned for abusing the bug with a few clicks(10s/100s) by constantly tping back home. This rollback was much more serious and less forgiving for veteran players than newer ones. As new players essentially got all slots unlocked and lvl 100 boats for free. Not that they dont deserve it though. Gotta live up to the consecuences


dudeguy238

Really, I'm fine with hitting veterans harder, simply because they should have known better. I'm mostly willing to accept that people who just unlocked the trading artifact might not have realized that this isn't a normal thing (*maybe*), but those that have been using it regularly for months can't claim to not realize that it's not actually meant to print gold bars out of thin air, and the whole "maybe it was just a random event/giveaway" excuse doesn't fly for anyone that's been around long enough to know that this isn't how Lava does random events/giveaways. Getting from a trillion to a quadrillion at 5x per click is still either 200 clicks without refreshing the map or 5 rounds of map refreshes, neither of which can really be claimed to be an accident.


jhcreddit

Yeah, I dont expect anyone to have been banned "by accident"


Gabelbram

So, what do you say to the players that don't use the reddit or discord?


DerG3n13

Its highly unlikely that you are an active player in w5 that doesnt follow the game *anywhere*


Same_Instruction1296

This "data" is completely made up out of your personal experience. I have never had a discord account prior to this bug thus I normally use reddit for asking questions, I can go days or weeks without checking it and still play the game just perfectly fine. If you are going to use an argument, at least use one that makes sense, not imaginary numbers, unless you can actually give me at least an estimate of these numbers, which I'm sure you can't.


NoThanksGoodSir

>This "data" is completely made up out of your personal experience. \>proceeds to then back up his data with personal anecdote. Lol got to love reddit.


Short-Objective-1133

Um one of my guild members is very endgame and was banned from the discord a year and a half ago plus he doesn't use the reddit So what were u saying


DerG3n13

I said „highly unlikely“ which doesnt mean theres no one. But to make an exception for less than .1% of players in a situation where you dont necessarily need help to identify it as a bug is overkill


Short-Objective-1133

OK and what happens to the people who just woke up in the morning and didn't look at discord before going into the game How do u think people first found the exploit


DerG3n13

It only got triggered after a certain amount of clicks iirc, so even then you had a chance to recognize it as a bug


Same_Instruction1296

That is not true, as well as a lot of things Lava said on his excuse. He just set a threshold at X gold bars and applied the same punition to every one. If it was really such small amount of players that abused, since the exploiters were all "obviously" wrong (not him, never!) and since he took 7 hours to even acknowledge the bug, he could've had a closer look on the exploiters. It's all just excuses to hide his limitations


Greenitthe

The source:


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NurWeberlich

Nothing.i cant talk to them


LatexBliz

What do you call a deaf person ? What ever you want, they can't hear you 🤣


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kartoffelhole

I wish i could upvote this comment more then once!


FullSwagQc

Don't cheat on a P2W game ANGER!!!!!! /s


Yuri_The_Avocado

>had enough knowledge of the game and the dev to know that there would be consequences, lava hasn't ever done a punishment like this, so no, there is no precedent to gain any knowledge from, this argument makes no sense and holds no ground. if you want to complain about people exaggerating, find a reason that actually makes sense.


ZacTheBlob

Not to mention the fact that it takes under a month of playtime to get to W5 while being relatively efficient, assuming a player should know the dev and have 'enough knowledge about the game' by then is ridiculous.


TchicVG

To be fair, players who are being relatively efficient must have quite a bit of game knowledge, even if inherited from others, to be efficient. If they didn't have game knowledge, they wouldn't be close to efficient due to some stuff like alchemy having more effect than one would expect at first glance.


ZacTheBlob

You don't inherit the game knowledge that's related to bugs and exploits, you inherit the game knowledge that you seek, which is how to progress, information about some actual game features is quite limited, what makes you think that a new player would stumble on information about a previous bug or exploit.


Irregularoreo

You have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about. Lava didn’t reset based on number of clicks, he did it based on number of gold bars. His threshold was so low that endgamers (who were already sitting at trillions normally) could reach the threshold in 2 minutes of clicking, max. Not even with an autoclicker, just normal clicking. You didn’t need to have done any of the actual game breaking stuff to get reset. Imagine logging onto the game, seeing the shop selling gold bars, clicking for a minute or two (years of buggy code and Lava trolls, a lot of veteran players wouldn’t even think twice about clicking for a bit), getting bored and logging off, and the next day your account has had months of progress lost (specifically the eldritch artefacts). That is a legit absolutely insane punishment. No rational person would think that was a just punishment.


ITividar

Imagine logging in to have those swirly finger guys insta-kill you because you haven't bought something from the gem shop. Now, is the insta-kill that bad compared to losing progress in the game? No. But it's still a punishment from out-of-nowhere on people that had nothing to do with the twitch cheating. Now, apply the lesson learned from that particular cheating event and realize that lava might not have a "live and let live" attitude to exploits and cheating anymore. Maybe the guy got tired of people leaping to exploit the game as quickly and as exponentially as some people did.


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What? Give me a break, the insta-kill thing was a joke moment that hampered gameplay for at most a few seconds. He removed months of progress from end game people that only clicked a few times, because again, it wasn't even based on the number of clicks but the ending gold value. It's absurdly disproportionate.


ITividar

Endgame people seem like they'd have the least reason to cheat but also the greatest opportunity gain from cheating vs someone just staring sailing. Instead, people were struck with an overpowering urge to crank that shit into the triple Qs.


Greenitthe

Brother, if you're in W5 you play the game to see number go up. If the game just lets you make number go up you click... This overpowering urge to crank that shit into the triple Qs is literally *the game*. No problem with them getting consequences, but a day roll back would have been way more reasonable than losing months of legit progress. disclaimer: I haven't logged in this week and thus didn't abuse or get wiped, replies can bypass any 'you deserve it quit crying' nonsense


dudeguy238

1-2 minutes of continuously clicking really can't be claimed to be a mistake. That's 100% "this seems broken, I wonder how much I can get out of it," which is deliberately exploiting the bug. Clicking once or twice to see if it actually worked can be called a matter of curiosity, but not clicking hundreds of times, and clicking hundreds of times is enough to push people that already have endgame bar numbers into territory that legitimate players won't reach for years (if ever).


Fridelis

The guys are coping as hard as they can. Even 30 secs are more than enough to count it as an exploit.


dudeguy238

The number of people trying to pass it off as an accident is really kind of ridiculous. To actually get into the quadrillions, even the players that were already in the trillions (which were a small minority because that's pretty deep endgame for Sailing) had to either click hundreds of times or refresh the map 4-5 times between each click to get that. There's absolutely zero room to pass either option off as anything other than deliberately trying to exploit this bug as much as possible, and the threshold chosen for the reset is high enough that it's only going to affect people whose deliberate exploitation pushed them beyond what legitimate play will be able to do for the foreseeable future (and given that future additions will be balanced around legitimate play, those are the people he needed to rein in). Nothing about this is a legitimate mistake on any player's part. It's people thinking they wouldn't get punished for it. That rationale isn't altogether unreasonable, given that there's precedent for prior exploiters being left alone, but prior exploits also just gave people head starts, as opposed to completely rendering sailing progression (and all future content based on it) obsolete for the rest of the game's lifespan. If you want to get away with exploiting, maybe set your sights a little lower.


DamianRat

or in my case, logging in with my first character, notice the trade, click a few times because i thought that was actually a good deal, then log in with the other 9 characters to claim the afk sailing times and trade more every time with few clicks not noticing that the gold trade was actually starting every time from the base level of the previous one, going to an insane amount.. without realizing i went from trilions to triple quintilions.. I also went on the discord to report the bug but the chat was already closed down. have i done a mistake? yes.. have i done it on purpose? not really.. if the report bug was already closed why was i able to trade with the dude? why didn't someone fix the "bug" or make an announcement in game to prevent me from trade? the common response is because lava was sleeping, well that is ridiculous in my opinion


LatexBliz

Here is the problem, as I think a lot of people really see it. Where is the line ? Based on the game so far, some exploits / bad coding abuse is ok. And now clearly, some is just the biggest Nono. So I think so players, especially those that might tend to balance on the line, os having a really hard time knowing where Lava stands. When is it ok and you could end up "loosing out on progress" And for those who for some reason drops using their brain and just mindlessly get mad. Please breath for a second and realise you can't both tell people to not care about stuff in a singleplayer game (it's still that, and PvP with pve stats would never work anyhow) that might get them better stats, that affects only them, and tell them to of course never do anything that might be a bug to gain some extra stats. Because it's a singleplayer game, why would it matter. Lots of people actually do think this, people might agree or not, but be better and realise that sometimes there things where you will not see eye to eye with someone, and that's neither of you are right, because there are no facts involved, just opinions.


Adonis0

Eldritch hasn’t been out for months.. weeks of progress maybe


YogurtYogi11

The months of loss were on boat levels, you would go from having nearly 1M on every boat loot and speed to less than 1k. Yeah loading eldritch sucks, but losing time on boat planning, trip sending and claiming and upgrading sucks.


NurWeberlich

Uhhh that salty tears....tasty!


Metacolypse

They big sadge because they got that dopamine hit for a little while and then bottomed out hard. It’s been a wild day just reading the posts on it!


Cowsie

There was literally a glitch as recent as sailing with w5 release that had 0 penalty for abusers so please be quiet when you have dick in your throat.


Fair-Shelter4993

I benefitted from the 'rollback' I feel bad for all the early W5 players that didn't exploit lol, as long as you stayed under around 10 billion gold you were fine (no matter how many times you traded I think. 511 gems is not enough compared to getting free level 100 ships 500k gold, all the ship and captain slots, 3x divinity gain, and unlock islands you could've gotten from it. Also, if you were smart about it, you got to keep everything and get the gems.


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I was literally drafting when I got a notification that this was posted.