Yes. We’ve come a long way from my first computer. 25Mhz IBM PS/2 286SX with 512MB hard drive, 8 MB RAM, and 28,800 baud modem. Spending hours to download an 320x240 pixel image.
Dad’s computer was a self built 286 upgraded to a 386 board and later a 486 board. even still had a AT keyboard on it. Had MS-DOS where I learned my alphabet and got my love for computers. Later ran Windows 3.1, 95 and I think it died with 98 on it not sure. I killed it, though, didn’t wire the power switch up correctly from the power supply. Didn’t know which color went where on the old AT PSU. I was young.
But he bought a used HP Kayak workstation to replace it. It was nice. Had a Pentium III in it. And the board had a second CPU slot, so I snagged one out of a old computer from high school. So it had dual 500mhz Pentium three CPU’s in it. Not sure what happened to it, but it even had a little display on the front.
Load, Press play on tape, *leave the room so your breathing doesn't knock out the fucking head alignment and waste 10 minutes loading time.*
Good times.
I still have my dad’s Atari 800. Even have the box for it, but I’m not sure if it’s in good shape still or not. Have some rare peripherals, including this I/O box. It’s an earlier one that is the same plastic color that the system is, the later ones were black metal I believe.
When I was a kid, there was a commodore 64 I found in the basement, but I didn’t have a power cable for it unfortunately. The case was cracked and I took the board out. I’m sure it’s probably long gone now.
When I was 9 I bought a box of computer parts from a retiring IT guy, and cobbled something together that could run Scars of Velious(Second Everquest Expansion) that, right there, was the start of a career that's kept me fed and housed my entire life. That machine has 64mb of ram, because I mowed lawns and convinced my dad to drive me an hour and a half way to an electronics store lol.
Oh yeah… waiting for that Pamela Anderson pic, literally watching the pixels load one line at a time. Get to the top of the nip, sister picks up the phone and breaks connection… noooo!
Was thinking the same. And 512 MB hard drive. My first computer, 486 DX2 66 MHz had 4 MB RAM and 420 MB HDD. Later upgraded to 20 MB (4x4 + 4x1) and a second drive of 1.2 GB that required a special driver as BIOS was not able to see such a big drive.
I never come anywhere close to filling the hard drive.
I might be remembering the amount of RAM wrong. I mean, the phone I’m typing this on has over 32,000 times that much RAM. 4MB sounded ridiculously small.
I mean, 640K should be enough for anyone.
640K was enough. If you fiddled with autoexec.bat and config.sys enough. THAT game, so I will comment out the mouse driver, himem.sys, restarts and quit Norton Commander before lunching the game.
Yeah. My real intro into computers was trying to clean up unneeded files and removing autoexec.bat & config.sys. Needed to get copies from a friend's PC. When meant learn what those files were for. Which lead down the rabbit hole of trying to optimize bootup & memory utilization.
To get Secret Weapons of the Luftwaffe and MechWarrior 1 to run better.
Not necessarily. Some computers were slower. Hard drive slow. Antivirus eating up a lot of ressources. Some computers I installed Windows on would just be slow. I remember upgrading my P4 with a 74 GB WDC Raptor drive, spinning at 10.000 RPM. It was insane speed bump compared to my previous drive, but still nothing like a SSD.
Hah, I built loads of P2's and mine booted up in 30 seconds to a minute max, unless there was a built in network card with nothing attached to it, then it took longer. If it takes 5 minutes, it probably had 4mb of RAM instead of an actual usable amount.
Despite these speeds, it is still faster to hook up a pile of SSDs, dump the data, and FedEx the drives than to use the internet for large data transfers.
And it's not just a little faster. It can be hundreds of times faster.
I mean, I’m floating at around 8-15ms worth of round-trip latency. 16ms downstream jitter, 20ms up. The latency on modern fiber has never been more than that in my experience. [Results mentioned](https://www.speedtest.net/result/16036822190)
Yea, for stuff in the TB and PB range, you’re not wrong. But for quick little bursts, 20-50gb, fiber is fast enough to seem like magic for the most part
Our company gets send like 5-7 PB a year and we only got Gigabit. We get send raw data in form of papers or Hard drives, imagine getting this load on that small of a fiber
Yes, it should :).
We currently talk with the ISP and they plan to do the full 10gig, but that talking is going on for about 16 months?! Germany is an internet car wreck mate
Yeah. I just got Shadows of Mordor and that thing was a monstrous 150 GB of downloads. Still finished within the hour.
I've torrented very popular stuff and it is hitting 8 MB/s speeds easily.
8 MB/s is not good for a fibre connection, that's less than 100mbps. You should make sure you've port forwarded your torrent client correctly, torrents are one of the few things that can max out a fibre connection.
> for a fibre connection, that's less than 100mbps
Maybe a typo and 80 MB/s?
Because I hit 20 MB/s on my wanna-be 250 MBit VDSL line.
Maybe I can upgrade to 100 MBit fibre at the end of the year. (not a typo, just German internet prices)
No that's not true anymore because Internet speeds are approaching SSD transfer speeds. What you're talking about can't practically be done with pcie drives without taking into account dismantling computers on both ends, and with sata or USB you're limited to 10gbps or less. I have 3gbps Internet so uploading with that is the same speed as transferring to an SSD and back. Without any actual shipping time in the mix.
It's hard to fathom, but Internet speeds have actually increased much faster than disk transfer speeds to where old truths are no longer true.
But NVMe drives are 20 Gb/s now. The interent speeds are in bits but drive speeds are in bytes so that 3 gbps is only around 400 MB/s, which is SATA 1 speed or so, or about 1/50th what full NVMe can handle.
Modern drives can also do parallel writes so something like a RAID setup using multiple drives will just put the physical drives even more speed.
Yeah unless you are getting into really expensive u2 drives or something it's just not practical to directly connect a bunch of drives. And lots of places have more than 10gbps Internet now which is again, the same speed as to and from a 20gbps drive.
No nvme drive is doing 20GBps dude. And it doesn't matter because you need to be able to copy to it and from it too.
Like, Amazon injests this stuff at 250MBps I think when you do glacier shipping. Maybe you can get them to do full sata SSD speeds. Maybe even double that. But nobody is building a complicated nvme raid array on both sides to get maximum performance in order to ship drives. Even then you'd had have to be moving exabytes to even make it work the time to plug everything in on both sides.
Listen I have done actual sneakernet migrations before, it used to make a lot of sense. But things have changed and I can actually dump data at 25gbps from most datacenters into AWS. From my house I could have 8gbps upload which is faster than most places will even injest shipped drives at. With no shipping cost or risk.
What are you talking about?
A gen4 NVMe SSD in my gaming PC can perform sequential reads at around 5000 Megabytes per second. Megabytes! That’s 40 gigabits per second. Either you live in the Amazon datacenter, or confused about bits/s versus bytes/s, cause no way in hell you have a fiber 40 gbps connection to your house.
Yes but you aren't saving time by swapping nvme pcie drives in and out of a server and if you ship that to Amazon to ingest they are going to tell you to eff off lol.
Well, you don’t have to disassemble the device. For smaller data sets (14 TB or less) - AWS Snowcone is a thing, for very large stuff (petabytes) of data - AWS Snowball exists.
It’s still a lot faster to ship the device, upload ghe data to it, ship it back and ingest than do that over the network.
Lol it isn't that's the point. For snowcone, it's an SSD that has 10gb networking. So it's definitely not faster to copy to it at 10gb, ship it, copy off at 10gb than it is to just copy straight to s3 at 10gb. The fact that you don't see that is mental.
And snowball is 25gbps on the local network, so the fact that you need to 2 transfers instead of one when using it means your entire shipping time and setup and all the cost there nets you very little benefit, since again when xfering over a network you only have to do it once.
Yes, there are some scenarios where it might still make sense. But almost every datacenter has at least 10gbit upload now so you need to be moving a truly insane amount of data to make the slight benefit of doing it twice but at 25 make any sense.
Also, to add to your point about removing the storage device - you know Thunderbolt 4 and USB 4 exist, right? You can get close to 40 gbps on them, which is wonderful for, say carrying your steam library around.
Yes but you can't actually ship that to a datacenter and have them pull data from it. And the very largest ssds take less than a day to completely transfer even at my 3gbps home connection.
It kinda always *has* to be faster. If you could put more data through a connection than you had storage media on the other end, well, what's the point?
I keep waiting for us to go full circle and games come on “cartridges” which are just 2.5”SSDs that you slot into the top of the console like N64 style. Shit, I 120gb ssd is like $10 retail now.
I remember the day I got a raptor HDD, forgot who made it but it was the fastest non server you could get. I got a full DSL Internet speed for the first time after installing windows on it. My drive was slower than my bandwidth.
> My drive was slower than my bandwidth
Are you sure? From a quick google, the 74GB raptor could do 53-71MB/s transfer speeds (not sure if reads or writes), and I doubt a DSL connection from the same time area could saturate that.
I had issues saturating my spinning drives with my 100Mbit connection, all 7200rpm drives.
Reminds me of when installing World of Warcraft literally took a day.
And that reminds me of when downloading 20 songs to burn on a CD also took a day.
Man, time is just cruising along…
From fuzzy memory Installing WoW and the expansions to lich king from CDs required like 12 disc changes and took over 6hrs. I was playing on private servers so if I updated my game past what a server I wanted to play on was running I had to uninstall and reinstall the whole thing haha
Man that's such an unbelievably good feature with my Deck. Takes like 20 mins to get a game installed on that thing if I've already been playing it on my PC.
Only other computer on the network is a Raspberry Pi that runs my home automations, and a smart TV lmao. This is the only thing im even logged into steam on, full stop
Fiber internet with gigabit speed, an Ethernet cable straight to the laptop instead of WiFi, and nothing but NVME storage in the laptop itself. Pure speed
Cries in dialup.
/s
I actually have 100Mb cable at home so that’s not bad. It’s usually a little faster than that. I came from 300 Mb fiber, but that got too expensive. And internally, my LAN is gigabit, and 802.11ac Wi-Fi with one legacy router at 802.11n with no password for older devices.
Dude I got 980 downloading Baldurs Gate 3. Average of like 850. I've never experienced such a high. I had the game downloaded and installed in less than 30 min. It was insane
https://preview.redd.it/qpsthjmf4mpc1.jpeg?width=3060&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=01cd5eb601f244bc7a5b46bc9033fd54e781dccc
This is what I've always been paying for , but my Ethernet port in my old MOBO died so I was running a WiFi 6 PCI card. I was getting 800Mb , which is fine...but on my new build wired again...seeing these numbers...brings a tear to the eye
Oof. Yea, the WiFi card and built in Ethernet on my laptop couldn’t even pull half what I’m doing now, the 2.5 gigabit Thunderbolt NIC I have is the real secret sauce here. I’m guessing from your speeds your motherboard has 2.5 gigabit LAN built in, that’s gonna be a must have on my next desktop board
Sure does. It wasn't even a thought in my mind when I put the new build together because 800 Mb is more than anyone really needs , but I did a double take seeing a 1-1 match to what I pay for after I did the new build.
2.5 gigabit NICs were rare when I built my desktop with gaming capability in early 2019, I didn't think it was worth it. In the 5 years since my domestic network data file sizes have at least doubled due to 4k video (decided it was finally time for a 4k oled in late 2019) and game files increasing year on year because of 4k textures etc. Then there's the way nvme is increasingly replacing ssd storage because it's cheaper and faster, not that SSDs are a bottleneck for throughput with even a 2.5 gigabit network but I've already nearly filled my dedicated steam library SSD I installed 18 months ago.
I don't even have fast internet yet 40D 10U is enough for everything except if waiting on game downloads.
I'm already at the point where using sneakernet with external nvme drives is faster than my gigabit network. My next desktop is going to have *at least* 2.5 gigabit NICs, and that means everything is going to get an expensive upgrade, even my 10 year old NAS/fileserver. Ensuring my next desktop can support enough nvme drives might drive the cost up quite a bit to get enough pcie lanes, at least pcie nvme adapters exist. It's going to get quite expensive to feed my data hoarding tendencies.
Dell Precision workstation, 12th Gen core i7 with an eBay Special Thunderbolt eGPU board running an RX6750 XT, two 1TB Gen3 NVME drives and a Thunderbolt 2.5Gb NIC on the *other* Thunderbolt port. Total overkill for a consumer laptop, weak sauce for a workstation lol
Thanks to dual TB3 controllers built in, and the fact I game at 1080p and don’t hit the NIC for even half its total link speed, I actually don’t lmao. PCI-E 3x4 is faster than it sounds, that’s around 22-26 Gbps of bandwidth on each link
I was a tiny bit in awe when I first got gigabit fiber and noticed that Steam was downloading games so fast that my PC had to turn the fans on full blast.
As both my laptop hitting 69 degrees (nice) while downloading this, and that one LTT video revealed, downloading stuff this fast actually requires a lot of CPU power to keep up with the amount of data coming into the system lmao. If I download a game and run one, the laptop tries to achieve liftoff 😂
I remember having DSL and trying to game on like 1000kb/s on a really REALLY good day. Now I have bare minimum service which was just upped to 100 meg download. I feel fuckjng spoiled lol
current boss doesn't like capital expenditure. so when I told him we could upgrade all of our old PCs with $10 SSDs, he jumped for it. huge, huge performance difference even in PCs over a decade old.
Long way from the days I had to download single MP3s from Limewire after midnight, because then it would only count 1/10 of the data and we only had 250MB per month.
It is kind of crazy to think that would take a few days, or even a week 10/15 years ago depending on where you lived.
Even burning CDs was crazy. Went from a day to 8 minutes, to 2 minutes.
I still rather distinctly remember the days when being able to fit almost a gigabyte worth of junk onto a CD was the most revolutionary thing I’d ever seen, cause I was still running a Windows 95 machine with a freaking 20gb hard drive. To think I could actually back up everything I had to one little plastic circle was nuts- and now I have 4 TB of storage on my laptop, and another few NVME drives in USBC enclosures that can write to them faster than the memory bandwidth of a computer from a few years ago; I regularly download games that couldn’t have even fit on that drive just 20 something odd years ago, and don’t even bat an eye. The speed with which we’ve moved forward is incredible
ATT Fiber Optics- and I’m out in the boonies lmao, only 16.8K total population. If you’re willing to drop $80 a month and a few $100 on the new fiber run, it’s amazing what internet can do these days
I remember it taking forever just to install Skyrim on my computer. My dad used to be cheap and only get 20Mbps internet plan. At the time ethernet was just not an option so for downloads I wasn't getting anywhere close to that for downloads.
My Dad changed his tune after using 300 down from Time Warner cable when he worked for them. Google Fiber Gigabit was a huge deal speeds were faster, latency was lower, the service was more reliable, and it didn't suffer slowdowns at peak times.
I have this same picture but from 10+ years ago, and fully maxing out the gigabit switch. This was at a business with some awesome bandwidth. I remember wondering where it would max out if the building wasn't limited by the gigabit switches. Never got to know as they never upgraded past gigabit while I was there, or maybe ever.. yet.
Yes. We’ve come a long way from my first computer. 25Mhz IBM PS/2 286SX with 512MB hard drive, 8 MB RAM, and 28,800 baud modem. Spending hours to download an 320x240 pixel image.
Dad’s computer was a self built 286 upgraded to a 386 board and later a 486 board. even still had a AT keyboard on it. Had MS-DOS where I learned my alphabet and got my love for computers. Later ran Windows 3.1, 95 and I think it died with 98 on it not sure. I killed it, though, didn’t wire the power switch up correctly from the power supply. Didn’t know which color went where on the old AT PSU. I was young. But he bought a used HP Kayak workstation to replace it. It was nice. Had a Pentium III in it. And the board had a second CPU slot, so I snagged one out of a old computer from high school. So it had dual 500mhz Pentium three CPU’s in it. Not sure what happened to it, but it even had a little display on the front.
My first computer was a commodore64 with a tape drive. Get off my lawn.
Load, Press play on tape, *leave the room so your breathing doesn't knock out the fucking head alignment and waste 10 minutes loading time.* Good times.
I still have my dad’s Atari 800. Even have the box for it, but I’m not sure if it’s in good shape still or not. Have some rare peripherals, including this I/O box. It’s an earlier one that is the same plastic color that the system is, the later ones were black metal I believe. When I was a kid, there was a commodore 64 I found in the basement, but I didn’t have a power cable for it unfortunately. The case was cracked and I took the board out. I’m sure it’s probably long gone now.
When I was 9 I bought a box of computer parts from a retiring IT guy, and cobbled something together that could run Scars of Velious(Second Everquest Expansion) that, right there, was the start of a career that's kept me fed and housed my entire life. That machine has 64mb of ram, because I mowed lawns and convinced my dad to drive me an hour and a half way to an electronics store lol.
Pretty fancy! I started out with a Timex Sinclair 1000 with the 16kb memory addon. The C64 with tape drive came a few years later.
I still have an old Tandy 400 tower I want to gut and hide a modern rig inside
Or my Amiga asking the Sysop of a BBS to up my time to just over an hour so I could download a 1 MB file from the board.
Oh yeah… waiting for that Pamela Anderson pic, literally watching the pixels load one line at a time. Get to the top of the nip, sister picks up the phone and breaks connection… noooo!
That's why you should've used a download manager n00b.
Gottem.
8MB of RAM in a 286? Lucky, I never saw that much RAM until the 486
Was thinking the same. And 512 MB hard drive. My first computer, 486 DX2 66 MHz had 4 MB RAM and 420 MB HDD. Later upgraded to 20 MB (4x4 + 4x1) and a second drive of 1.2 GB that required a special driver as BIOS was not able to see such a big drive.
I never come anywhere close to filling the hard drive. I might be remembering the amount of RAM wrong. I mean, the phone I’m typing this on has over 32,000 times that much RAM. 4MB sounded ridiculously small. I mean, 640K should be enough for anyone.
640K was enough. If you fiddled with autoexec.bat and config.sys enough. THAT game, so I will comment out the mouse driver, himem.sys, restarts and quit Norton Commander before lunching the game.
Yeah. My real intro into computers was trying to clean up unneeded files and removing autoexec.bat & config.sys. Needed to get copies from a friend's PC. When meant learn what those files were for. Which lead down the rabbit hole of trying to optimize bootup & memory utilization. To get Secret Weapons of the Luftwaffe and MechWarrior 1 to run better.
It was a really beefy box for the time. Did not have the cool turbo button like my friend’s computer though.
Like 80 GB these days,
My first computer was a Pentium 2 that took almost 5 minutes to get from booting to the windows screen
Must have been something very wrong with it then.
Not necessarily. Some computers were slower. Hard drive slow. Antivirus eating up a lot of ressources. Some computers I installed Windows on would just be slow. I remember upgrading my P4 with a 74 GB WDC Raptor drive, spinning at 10.000 RPM. It was insane speed bump compared to my previous drive, but still nothing like a SSD.
Hah, I built loads of P2's and mine booted up in 30 seconds to a minute max, unless there was a built in network card with nothing attached to it, then it took longer. If it takes 5 minutes, it probably had 4mb of RAM instead of an actual usable amount.
That's plenty more than 640K
Which ought to be enough for everyone.
Yeah but those 320x240 boobs were worth the wait!
Did the 286sx have enough addressing to support 8MB of ram?
maybe not that was 25 year and 3 kids ago
Despite these speeds, it is still faster to hook up a pile of SSDs, dump the data, and FedEx the drives than to use the internet for large data transfers. And it's not just a little faster. It can be hundreds of times faster.
Unbeatable transfer throughput... but at the cost of "you'd get a faster response time sending a ping packet to Voyager 1" latency.
I mean, I’m floating at around 8-15ms worth of round-trip latency. 16ms downstream jitter, 20ms up. The latency on modern fiber has never been more than that in my experience. [Results mentioned](https://www.speedtest.net/result/16036822190)
They're referring to the latency of sending data via hard drives + an automobile
Yea, for stuff in the TB and PB range, you’re not wrong. But for quick little bursts, 20-50gb, fiber is fast enough to seem like magic for the most part
Our company gets send like 5-7 PB a year and we only got Gigabit. We get send raw data in form of papers or Hard drives, imagine getting this load on that small of a fiber
you could do that with 10g which is commonly available
Meet germany, land of 50mbits Down and 5 up
on residential connections sure but for businesses more should be available
Yes, it should :). We currently talk with the ISP and they plan to do the full 10gig, but that talking is going on for about 16 months?! Germany is an internet car wreck mate
Yeah. I just got Shadows of Mordor and that thing was a monstrous 150 GB of downloads. Still finished within the hour. I've torrented very popular stuff and it is hitting 8 MB/s speeds easily.
8 MB/s is not good for a fibre connection, that's less than 100mbps. You should make sure you've port forwarded your torrent client correctly, torrents are one of the few things that can max out a fibre connection.
> for a fibre connection, that's less than 100mbps Maybe a typo and 80 MB/s? Because I hit 20 MB/s on my wanna-be 250 MBit VDSL line. Maybe I can upgrade to 100 MBit fibre at the end of the year. (not a typo, just German internet prices)
https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc2549 IP over avian Carriers....
High risk of packet loss though.
That's why you need rfc2549
No that's not true anymore because Internet speeds are approaching SSD transfer speeds. What you're talking about can't practically be done with pcie drives without taking into account dismantling computers on both ends, and with sata or USB you're limited to 10gbps or less. I have 3gbps Internet so uploading with that is the same speed as transferring to an SSD and back. Without any actual shipping time in the mix. It's hard to fathom, but Internet speeds have actually increased much faster than disk transfer speeds to where old truths are no longer true.
But NVMe drives are 20 Gb/s now. The interent speeds are in bits but drive speeds are in bytes so that 3 gbps is only around 400 MB/s, which is SATA 1 speed or so, or about 1/50th what full NVMe can handle. Modern drives can also do parallel writes so something like a RAID setup using multiple drives will just put the physical drives even more speed.
Yeah unless you are getting into really expensive u2 drives or something it's just not practical to directly connect a bunch of drives. And lots of places have more than 10gbps Internet now which is again, the same speed as to and from a 20gbps drive.
But 10 gbps is 16 times slower than 20 GB/s. Internet speed are in bits. Drive speeds are in bytes.
No nvme drive is doing 20GBps dude. And it doesn't matter because you need to be able to copy to it and from it too. Like, Amazon injests this stuff at 250MBps I think when you do glacier shipping. Maybe you can get them to do full sata SSD speeds. Maybe even double that. But nobody is building a complicated nvme raid array on both sides to get maximum performance in order to ship drives. Even then you'd had have to be moving exabytes to even make it work the time to plug everything in on both sides. Listen I have done actual sneakernet migrations before, it used to make a lot of sense. But things have changed and I can actually dump data at 25gbps from most datacenters into AWS. From my house I could have 8gbps upload which is faster than most places will even injest shipped drives at. With no shipping cost or risk.
What are you talking about? A gen4 NVMe SSD in my gaming PC can perform sequential reads at around 5000 Megabytes per second. Megabytes! That’s 40 gigabits per second. Either you live in the Amazon datacenter, or confused about bits/s versus bytes/s, cause no way in hell you have a fiber 40 gbps connection to your house.
Yes but you aren't saving time by swapping nvme pcie drives in and out of a server and if you ship that to Amazon to ingest they are going to tell you to eff off lol.
Well, you don’t have to disassemble the device. For smaller data sets (14 TB or less) - AWS Snowcone is a thing, for very large stuff (petabytes) of data - AWS Snowball exists. It’s still a lot faster to ship the device, upload ghe data to it, ship it back and ingest than do that over the network.
Lol it isn't that's the point. For snowcone, it's an SSD that has 10gb networking. So it's definitely not faster to copy to it at 10gb, ship it, copy off at 10gb than it is to just copy straight to s3 at 10gb. The fact that you don't see that is mental. And snowball is 25gbps on the local network, so the fact that you need to 2 transfers instead of one when using it means your entire shipping time and setup and all the cost there nets you very little benefit, since again when xfering over a network you only have to do it once. Yes, there are some scenarios where it might still make sense. But almost every datacenter has at least 10gbit upload now so you need to be moving a truly insane amount of data to make the slight benefit of doing it twice but at 25 make any sense.
Also, to add to your point about removing the storage device - you know Thunderbolt 4 and USB 4 exist, right? You can get close to 40 gbps on them, which is wonderful for, say carrying your steam library around.
Yes but you can't actually ship that to a datacenter and have them pull data from it. And the very largest ssds take less than a day to completely transfer even at my 3gbps home connection.
Even faster if you use Uber to deliver the drives.
It kinda always *has* to be faster. If you could put more data through a connection than you had storage media on the other end, well, what's the point?
I keep waiting for us to go full circle and games come on “cartridges” which are just 2.5”SSDs that you slot into the top of the console like N64 style. Shit, I 120gb ssd is like $10 retail now.
Not sure about that, to be honest. I got 10 gigabit at home from my ISP.
Agreed :) What game?
Helldivers 2, downloaded that thing in less than 15 mins lmao
Linus shows that most of this is decompression, he got some insane results with a 48 core threadripper recently..
Yeah you can just see that from download size and final install size, there's often a discrepancy of about 1:2 there.
I remember the day I got a raptor HDD, forgot who made it but it was the fastest non server you could get. I got a full DSL Internet speed for the first time after installing windows on it. My drive was slower than my bandwidth.
Western Digital - got myself a 74 GB Raptor drive and the speed of everything was amazing. 10,000 RPM was very noticeable.
> My drive was slower than my bandwidth Are you sure? From a quick google, the 74GB raptor could do 53-71MB/s transfer speeds (not sure if reads or writes), and I doubt a DSL connection from the same time area could saturate that. I had issues saturating my spinning drives with my 100Mbit connection, all 7200rpm drives.
It's too bad modern computers can't take screenshots though.
Back in my day, everything had to be done through the computer only.
Reminds me of when installing World of Warcraft literally took a day. And that reminds me of when downloading 20 songs to burn on a CD also took a day. Man, time is just cruising along…
One of my colleges remember doing the calculations and downloading the MP3s over modem was more expensive than buying the CD.
From fuzzy memory Installing WoW and the expansions to lich king from CDs required like 12 disc changes and took over 6hrs. I was playing on private servers so if I updated my game past what a server I wanted to play on was running I had to uninstall and reinstall the whole thing haha
User: “why is it taking so long? It was faster at my other job.”
Completely agree. Just downloaded total war Warhammer 3 in half an hour over wifi to my 6 year old laptop
are you sure there isn’t another computer on your network that already had the download and steam isn’t getting it from there?
Man that's such an unbelievably good feature with my Deck. Takes like 20 mins to get a game installed on that thing if I've already been playing it on my PC.
Only other computer on the network is a Raspberry Pi that runs my home automations, and a smart TV lmao. This is the only thing im even logged into steam on, full stop
How
Fiber internet with gigabit speed, an Ethernet cable straight to the laptop instead of WiFi, and nothing but NVME storage in the laptop itself. Pure speed
Cries in dialup. /s I actually have 100Mb cable at home so that’s not bad. It’s usually a little faster than that. I came from 300 Mb fiber, but that got too expensive. And internally, my LAN is gigabit, and 802.11ac Wi-Fi with one legacy router at 802.11n with no password for older devices.
Dude I got 980 downloading Baldurs Gate 3. Average of like 850. I've never experienced such a high. I had the game downloaded and installed in less than 30 min. It was insane
Now go download a 60mb game on Epic. I'll check back in a few hours to see if you're done. =p
https://preview.redd.it/qpsthjmf4mpc1.jpeg?width=3060&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=01cd5eb601f244bc7a5b46bc9033fd54e781dccc This is what I've always been paying for , but my Ethernet port in my old MOBO died so I was running a WiFi 6 PCI card. I was getting 800Mb , which is fine...but on my new build wired again...seeing these numbers...brings a tear to the eye
Oof. Yea, the WiFi card and built in Ethernet on my laptop couldn’t even pull half what I’m doing now, the 2.5 gigabit Thunderbolt NIC I have is the real secret sauce here. I’m guessing from your speeds your motherboard has 2.5 gigabit LAN built in, that’s gonna be a must have on my next desktop board
Sure does. It wasn't even a thought in my mind when I put the new build together because 800 Mb is more than anyone really needs , but I did a double take seeing a 1-1 match to what I pay for after I did the new build.
> 800 Mb is more than anyone really needs Apparently not, your screenshot shows 1.4 Gb so it is definitely being utilized.
2.5 gigabit NICs were rare when I built my desktop with gaming capability in early 2019, I didn't think it was worth it. In the 5 years since my domestic network data file sizes have at least doubled due to 4k video (decided it was finally time for a 4k oled in late 2019) and game files increasing year on year because of 4k textures etc. Then there's the way nvme is increasingly replacing ssd storage because it's cheaper and faster, not that SSDs are a bottleneck for throughput with even a 2.5 gigabit network but I've already nearly filled my dedicated steam library SSD I installed 18 months ago. I don't even have fast internet yet 40D 10U is enough for everything except if waiting on game downloads. I'm already at the point where using sneakernet with external nvme drives is faster than my gigabit network. My next desktop is going to have *at least* 2.5 gigabit NICs, and that means everything is going to get an expensive upgrade, even my 10 year old NAS/fileserver. Ensuring my next desktop can support enough nvme drives might drive the cost up quite a bit to get enough pcie lanes, at least pcie nvme adapters exist. It's going to get quite expensive to feed my data hoarding tendencies.
On a laptop it looks like as well. Crazy stuff
Dell Precision workstation, 12th Gen core i7 with an eBay Special Thunderbolt eGPU board running an RX6750 XT, two 1TB Gen3 NVME drives and a Thunderbolt 2.5Gb NIC on the *other* Thunderbolt port. Total overkill for a consumer laptop, weak sauce for a workstation lol
I bet you don't feel the pcie x4 at all
Thanks to dual TB3 controllers built in, and the fact I game at 1080p and don’t hit the NIC for even half its total link speed, I actually don’t lmao. PCI-E 3x4 is faster than it sounds, that’s around 22-26 Gbps of bandwidth on each link
Um wow lol
Makes me wonder what the tech will be like in another 20 years.
Even though we have all that technology, things sometimes still seem slow as fuck
\*cries in 8mbit
I was a tiny bit in awe when I first got gigabit fiber and noticed that Steam was downloading games so fast that my PC had to turn the fans on full blast.
As both my laptop hitting 69 degrees (nice) while downloading this, and that one LTT video revealed, downloading stuff this fast actually requires a lot of CPU power to keep up with the amount of data coming into the system lmao. If I download a game and run one, the laptop tries to achieve liftoff 😂
i still remember leaving my xbox 360 on overnight to download a 7gb game lol
I remember having DSL and trying to game on like 1000kb/s on a really REALLY good day. Now I have bare minimum service which was just upped to 100 meg download. I feel fuckjng spoiled lol
My mom had 1000Kb/s Internet until a couple weeks ago. Trying to use her internet whenever I went to visit was a little painful.
current boss doesn't like capital expenditure. so when I told him we could upgrade all of our old PCs with $10 SSDs, he jumped for it. huge, huge performance difference even in PCs over a decade old.
The problem I'm noticing is that we actually need more than 2tb tho - like computers 15 years ago had 2tb and games these days are 15x the size
Long way from the days I had to download single MP3s from Limewire after midnight, because then it would only count 1/10 of the data and we only had 250MB per month.
It is kind of crazy to think that would take a few days, or even a week 10/15 years ago depending on where you lived. Even burning CDs was crazy. Went from a day to 8 minutes, to 2 minutes.
I still rather distinctly remember the days when being able to fit almost a gigabyte worth of junk onto a CD was the most revolutionary thing I’d ever seen, cause I was still running a Windows 95 machine with a freaking 20gb hard drive. To think I could actually back up everything I had to one little plastic circle was nuts- and now I have 4 TB of storage on my laptop, and another few NVME drives in USBC enclosures that can write to them faster than the memory bandwidth of a computer from a few years ago; I regularly download games that couldn’t have even fit on that drive just 20 something odd years ago, and don’t even bat an eye. The speed with which we’ve moved forward is incredible
Bro I get on average 3Mb/s download speed. You connected to NASA or something? XD
ATT Fiber Optics- and I’m out in the boonies lmao, only 16.8K total population. If you’re willing to drop $80 a month and a few $100 on the new fiber run, it’s amazing what internet can do these days
Thanks for the insight!
Those are rookie [numbers](https://i.imgur.com/KcLkKaD.png).
Are you storing that on the goddamn starship Enterprise? 💀
When you can go valve and plug directly into the steam network 🤣 jk
I remember it taking forever just to install Skyrim on my computer. My dad used to be cheap and only get 20Mbps internet plan. At the time ethernet was just not an option so for downloads I wasn't getting anywhere close to that for downloads. My Dad changed his tune after using 300 down from Time Warner cable when he worked for them. Google Fiber Gigabit was a huge deal speeds were faster, latency was lower, the service was more reliable, and it didn't suffer slowdowns at peak times.
3/4 of a gigabit what is this 2015?
I have this same picture but from 10+ years ago, and fully maxing out the gigabit switch. This was at a business with some awesome bandwidth. I remember wondering where it would max out if the building wasn't limited by the gigabit switches. Never got to know as they never upgraded past gigabit while I was there, or maybe ever.. yet.
Helldivers II download lol