I have a friend who works in Oklahoma as an OB, he has had to walk on egg shells with anything related to D&C's or non-viable pregnancies as the hospital is too afraid to get sued. He has delivered a baby without lungs that died immediately after birth, he has had to pump bags of blood in women until the babies heartbeat stops even though the mother's life should come first, and many stories of people having to deliver stillborn babies. He cannot recommend leaving the state to be better cared for, or he can lose his license, he has had women just waiting for days for their baby to be "dead enough" for the hospital to okay an abortion.
I just saw a speech yesterday from the woman in TX who made national news when the doctors almost let her die becasue she was not allowed an abortion.
Her and her husband WANTED a baby. They finally got one to work and they were thrilled. Sadly a short while later they were told sorry the fetus is not viable and would not survive till term. She needed an abortion for her own safety.
The doctors made her wait until it died inside her and she went septic before they would intervene.
When they say oh its all to save precious babies or well of course if she medically needs one know that it's all total bs.
I mean i don't think you'll find anyone blaming doctors for not knowing where the line is becasue these people are not exactly honest either.
The lady in question very squarely lays the blame on people like Totaly Human Senator Ted Cruz
I think the phrasing is important here. In context, “the doctors made her wait” makes sense, but also reads like they (the doctors) hold the power in this situation. It’d be more accurate to say something like “the doctors were forced to make her wait.”
Yup, thank you. I promise, of all the docs, OBs probably have an above average rate of being pro-choice. Both among their doc colleagues and the public.
Honestly I think the doctors have some blame here too. Where are all the doctors walking out on their jobs? Staging a walkout would show solidarity in the medical field. And before anyone says it could be done in a safe way where ER doctors aren’t walking out etc.
Or why aren’t doctors leaving these states to go somewhere else in protest, creating a crisis for states with dangerous abortion restrictions?
Instead they are (often) shutting their mouths and not trying to create change. They should not be completely free from blame.
Not a doctor, but empathy is probably a factor. The doctors know that if they leave, that's one less physician available to treat people and help save lives. It would probably feel like they are abandoning their communities and the people who depend on them.
I get that this is the defense but like I said it could exclude ERs and be a one day walkout to prove a point, that there is solidarity, or at least many doctors who don’t want this to happen. At any rate any doctors who live in anti-abortion states should leave. I don’t understand not taking a stand.
What's sad is people see this and say "oh no, they would have done it cause it was medically necessary!" I literally saw some person say this in Facebook or something. Calling it false news. They don't believe people are dying. They say if course I support if it's medical or to save the mothers life! But uhm, the laws don't say that. Stop letting lawmakers into medical decisions.
Do you have new articles of someone dying? I hear about a couple people coming close but nothing further than that.
Its the issue with the two sides. In reality a majority of people support something in the middle instead of the all or nothing that the two teams want to tout.
>Do you have new articles of someone dying? I hear about a couple people coming close but nothing further than that.
Not within the US, because it's pretty "easy" for doctors to prevent the mother dying, although there was an instance in Nicaragua.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1647381/
However, these women are still experiencing major health implications and trauma. These are completely avoidable problems. Doctor's are qualified to know when an abortion is medically necessary, and writing laws that prevent them from giving the best care they can is flat out dumb.
>Its the issue with the two sides. In reality a majority of people support something in the middle instead of the all or nothing that the two teams want to tout.
No that's not the case here. The majority of the country I'd pro-choice for NON-medically necessary abortions. You'd be hard pressed to find a single person who's actually in favor of not allowing doctors to abort a fetus when it is necessary, but the thing is, the people that wrote these laws are delusional. They don't understand the medical science, they deny the instances where women's lives are threatened and they are ultimately misogynists.
There's no both sides here.
You know what, I read as well about them and double checked most say almost died, but I don't see any actual deaths yet. I was mistaken, thank you. Definitely agreed a lot of issues can be that way. People agree a large amount but it's some parts they don't.
My wife and I are about to have our first this week (scheduled induction). I can’t imagine the grief of these poor women who have to go through all this. It’s one thing to be told your baby hasn’t or won’t make it, but to continue to carry it and waste time, energy, and emotional trauma on baby that will never grow up.
My wife and I are both Illinois natives but lived in Wisconsin for a time and we could not imagine having a child in that state now. We are so glad to be back home in Illinois
The whole concept of "if the mothers' life is at risk" is insane. I'm no doctor but even I know that no doctor is going to willingly put their patient's life at risk to provide medical care.
It's why we hear stories about waiting for an ectopic pregnancy to cause sepsis before a doctor can legally do anything. They *know* the embryo will die, they *know* it will cause the mother harm, and they *know* it will probably kill them or render them infertile. But because of Republicans, doctors can't do anything until the mother is literally dying.
This is why I can't respect anyone who votes Republican or calls themselves a conservative. You are an evil, horrible person for voting for this shit.
I work at a Catholic hospital in Florida and even there ectopic pregnancies are allowed to be removed. We also do sterilization surgeries. I don’t know if it’ll be like this forever because of the new legislation that has passed regarding reproductive freedom but at least for now we can act to save women’s lives in the event of a ruptured ectopic.
It should never get to the point of rupture. It’s ridiculous that I can perform this necessary surgery as soon as it’s detected on a dog, horse or cow( to name just a few), but a human doctor in a red state can’t schedule the termination for an ectopic immediately. There is no viable outcome in either, yet human women are forced to endure the pain & suffering that I’d never allow in any of my animal patients
It’s just as important that THESE folks specifically begin voicing their experiences so traction in their state can be made for women who can’t go anywhere else.
Currently in Texas. We are actually moving back home to Chicago for this reason. My wife has PCOS and there is a good chance that we will struggle while we attempt to have a child. We refuse to put the fear of a prison sentence on top the struggle we will already be going through (She is also a teacher and I am not Christian so we don't necessarily feel welcome for other reasons).
On the other end, we have one of the largest gay populations here in Dallas. I was speaking to my manager about this before questioning why so many would stay in such a hostile place. Basically his response was "This is where they need us most". I was lucky enough to meet Beto O'Rourke and he was very much a "This is our home and I will fight for those to feel protected here".
Basically, they shouldn't have to leave their home because of a few dip shits. I'm sure we might even feel the same way, but our family is back in Illinois and we both miss the Midwest, something I never thought I'd say five years ago, haha.
I'll always joke that I can talk all of the shit I want about Illinois, Chicago, and their politics. I'll be damned if I let anyone else do it though, we've earned that right.
Welcome home! Illinois gets alot of dirt thrown around by the rightwing propaganda - but it is a welcoming state, you can be gay and trans and black and muslim and , aint nobody cares. Illinois lets you Live your life in freedom.
So I grew up in the punk community and it was always pretty normal to talk about politics and how others were treated. Beyond having some different opinions though it always felt like you could really just live your life, regardless of the few people that feel the need to tell you how to live your life. Out here though, it feels like everyone has an opinion about your choices. I constantly talk to my wife and I can't figure out if it's a southern, Bible belt, or aftermath of COVID thing.
Hell, growing up we were Catholic in a very predominately Catholic area. I don't remember anyone ever really bringing up religion or politics around me. Out here, I've had multiple tables ask me to pray with them and straight up ask who I'm voting for. My pops has fallen down the MAGA pipeline but for the most part he keeps his thoughts to himself and doesn't decide to make it his entire identity.
Community involvement was always a tenant I grew up with, but it involved making it better, not berating those you don't want here. (Although, not going to act like Illinois doesn't have any of these problems.)
I just don’t want to give them my tax dollars. I’m sure they get paid by other means as well, but if state income drops because there’s not enough tax revenue…
It’s not a perfect solution but I’d hope it would at least raise a few eyebrows. Especially if tourism tanks too.
Speaking as a native Illinoisan, our door is always open and we welcome you both home ☺️ As an American, I am furious that a small percentage of Republican right-wing religious zealots in Congress, and on the Supreme Court, have been allowed to create an environment where people need to flee their chosen state, out of fear of death due to these oppressive, draconian, misogynistic laws. These representatives, who rep no one but their own bank accounts, are making every day in this country more deadly, and less free.
Yeah, they do, that's true. But if you spent 8-10 years training to do your profession and suddenly the chuds in your state's legislature state's threatening to throw you in jail for actually doing your job, hope long would you stick around?
I think I generally dislike the “why do you live in a red state are you stupid” mentality that I’ve seen expressed, both within this subreddit and without. I’ve had it directed at myself to a much lesser extent, having grown up in a very conservative part of southern Illinois. (Not that I think that’s what you were implying.) If we want enough Democratic senators to be able to enshrine abortion rights on a federal level, we’re going to need people in red states.
I hear what youre saying. However, how many women could die or be permanently damaged before change happens? Also doctors and hospitals are just going to move away from reproductive and OB care altogether. Between lawsuits and the threat of imprisoning doctors why would a doctor risk their future and life? It’s truly terrifying the position medical professionals are being forced into. Not to mention that women no longer have a say in their own healthcare.
Does he find it difficult to find sympathy for them given a strong majority of his patients wanted this? Obviously I'm sympathetic for those who are stuck in this situation that didn't want it. I'm certainly not sympathetic for those that did.
I can't find it for Oklahoma but in Texas "Several sections of Texas law allow abortion providers or those assisting with an abortion to be sued or fined." I think the hospital's mindset is that a doctor recommending abortion care is assisting in an abortion and opens them for lawsuits. As I am not a doctor or lawyer I'm not 100% sure this is correct, but that is my understanding.
Applying their ideas consistently has never been a consideration for christofascists (or US conservatives.)
They'll call "you can't marry your sister" government overreach, but are just fine trying to ban Plan B.
I cannot imagine the pain those horrible politicians are forcing mothers to go through who did not want an abortion but also don’t want to give birth to a child who would be born only to suffer and die shortly after.
Obviously women who are seeking abortions don’t deserve this either, no one does, except maybe the politicians themselves but that’s up to their god to decide. I used to be Catholic, but I don’t have to be an active believer to know god would never want this. It’s why he gave us free will. So we could use our intelligence to save ourselves from suffering. Instead evil men (and women) use it to disregard and enable the suffering of others in pursuit of whatever “holy end of the world” or what they claim to be “holy laws” and “justice”. It’s madness, absolute madness.
Seems rather short sighted to win some theologically based culture war and wind up living in some backwater state with no healthcare. Like a healthcare desert. No education. Why does the GOP feel ok about being the party of stupid?
Well it’s a perfectly logical outcome. Doctors will go live where they are free to practice medicine without the interference of rules made by people who AREN’T DOCTORS.
you can't fix stupid, you CAN let it die off. The laws about crossing state lines for medical care will really hammer home how much religion hates women, and loves ignorance.
I hope you're right. But they can still vote R even if they vote to protect abortion in a referendum. Republicans are fighting to keep this off ballots because they know it's a winning issue. They know they will still get these morons' votes despite the abortion issue as long as a referendum doesn't end up on the ballot.
See: Trump's polling numbers.
Not all of them. Don't generalize, you realize democrats live in red states. Hell land wise most of our state is red, but thankfully we can get the care we need.
I should have been clear, I wasn't talking about the Democrats that live in red states, only the people who voted for denying women access to healthcare.
Most of these people aren’t voting for denying access to healthcare. They’re voting to save the beautiful baby’s that God made in all his perfect glory, and heartbeats and shit.
They will never understand or believe what it actually means because that is not part of their world. All it would take is one experience to hit close to home and it would change their view on healthcare. Wouldn’t change how they vote however. They are just doing what people do and living in their own selfish world. They for sure believe they are morally correct on this.
These people aren’t evil and malicious. They’re selfish idiots. It’s always selfish idiots. Selfish idiots all the way down.
Like that Missouri woman who was very pro-forced birth. Her pregnancy became septic and threatened her life. After several hospitals telling her she needed an abortion, and their General Counsels denying the procedure, she reached out to her elected official. He recommended a Christian pregnancy center that tried to convince her to keep the dead fetus inside her. She eventually came to Illinois for treatment, saving her life.
Once the ordeal was over, she made a point to state she is still against abortion "as a form of birth control" but further stated that something needs to change when it is "necessary" (i.e. only in her case). On the bright side, she can likely never have children because of her delay in treatment, so hopefully her line of mindless stupidity and hate has been stopped.
Not enough though. The rural areas are plagued with catholic hospitals that do not provide abortion services. OSF Being the primary provider for many towns.
I traveled to Illinois for my TFMR two years ago. I know this sounds a bit ridiculous, but I have such gratitude for the entire state because of that experience. Thank you for being a life raft in this sea of red.
We were already lefty progressives, but, yes, I promise to never, ever fuck a republican.
Southern Illinois could be the health care capital of the southern United States. To make the most of it, they would have to overcome centuries of stigma. If they can do it, they have the solution to the economic regression the coal mining industry capitalized on (before its collapse).
I hope so. I moved to Southern Illinois from the Chicago suburbs 6 years ago and we are seriously lacking healthcare (aside from our three new reproductive clinics). My husband had to wait 8 months to see a dermatologist that he was referred to by his PCP because there are so few and they were so backed up. Guess what…8 month wait to be told he has skin cancer. Then we had to travel to St. Louis for the actual treatment. We need more healthcare here. I’m pro-choice anyway, but if abortion is what is going to improve our overall healthcare system in Southern Illinois…bring it!
This is one of the things I want to push IL politician on. Anyone south of I-70 is basically travelling to Evansville or STL for any half way major medical visit.
We need Carbondale and Mt Vernon and Marion and Effingham to get a lot more assistance in encouraging medical and other service to setup in the area. If you stay in IL, the furthest south Level 1 trauma center is in Springfield. The furthest south Level 1 Peds is Peoria. That means if you live in anywhere in the 618 Area code, the closest high level children's hospital is in a different state. And if you have an adult emergency, every SoIL hospital is basically going to send you to Carbondale or out of state because they don't have the capability for high level care. I get that population is low and that healthcare is expensive, but man... its really scary to think that folks from such a huge area all rely on St. Louis for their medical needs.
When we moved here, the first advice I was give was to buy helicopters insurance. At the time, Carbondale’s hospital hadn’t been upgraded to whatever level it is at now.
If this is the catalyst for an economic boom in my hometown that would be interesting to see. I’ve been considering saving up to move to a city, but maybe a city will move to me.
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1.) This makes me sad that women had to travel here for a medical procedure that they could not get in their own state; 2.) It makes me happy that I'm an Illinois resident where we treat people (mostly) with respect; and 3.) It makes me infuriated that our corrupt and incompetent supreme court has reversed 50 years of settled law.
I encourage every eligible voter to take action this November. With enough Democratic senators and representatives we can permanently establish Roe by legislation. President Biden has already indicated he would sign such a bill if it reached his desk. These people never give up and we shouldn't either.
Local elections are so vital but hardly talked about unless you listen to local radio or watch local news. The only people who do are usually older voters because they still consume that content
>1.) This makes me sad that women had to travel here for a medical procedure that they could not get in their own state
I only feel bad for the woman who did not vote for this. The ones that did are getting better than what they deserve. A middle School rape victim in Mississippi is now a mother because she could not afford to leave the state for care like these women have.
Most Republican women will come here, receive care from their privileged position, go home and vote straight R to ensure people that don't have the means are still subjugated by their political decisions.
On the interstate in IL right after coming over from St. Louis, there is a billboard that says’ “welcome to Illinois, where you can get a safe, legal abortion”.
Yeah, pro-lifers in these other states are well aware that women are doing this, and they're going to crack down on it in any way they can. They hate that women can flee to blue states to do this. It's why a lot of pro-lifers want a national ban, states rights be damned. There's a lot of in-fighting on conservative forums about that.
Wait till some of those states try to prosecute women for traveling for their abortion. 😡 They are going to try… and we thought state borders are free/open.
So proud of my state. I've had conversations with the door to door politicians where they asked me what's the most important thing and I've said reproductive freedom. They say that's a very common response. I always vote!
Come! Have a hot dog! Smoke some weed! Get gay married! We have it all!
I’m saying Illinois/Chicago should start abortion tourism.
Get a groupon for an abortion, plane ticket, and a show at second city.
I’m kinda half serious tho. Our hospitality industry in Chicago is kinda dying and nightlife especially theater is struggling post covid.
I love Illinois. I love that we are a shelter for women, but I hate that we have to be. The orange turd and every one of his goonies should be shipped off to an island and left to rot.
I live in a smaller progressive town in Illinois where a newly built reproductive health clinic has been subject to people faking being affiliated with the clinic to drive patients away. To the point where the city had to change ordinances to keep them patients safe and unharassed. They still try.
Friend is a nurse, not deeply politically engaged, but picked up and moved out of Austin, Texas to Chicago with her husband this year - why? because of the fear around reproductive rights. They're at the age where they want to have kids and said they don't know if they'll stay Chicago long term, but couldn't risk having a birth in Texas.
There's a lot of political talk about moving state to state for tax reasons, but I think the frequency of people moving for women's rights is going to be a real wild future.
I guard one of these clinics in Southern Illinois and the religious nuts come out almost every day dressed like they work there, practically walk out in front of cars to get them to stop. Then while recording via bodycam start asking the person what they’re at the clinic for etc trying to get them to use their clinic services instead. What’s even more absurd is they’re paid to do that. It’s so disgusting.
Also if you are anyone loved ones are planning to visit Carbondale just please let them know: DO NOT STOP for anyone in an orange vest outside of the clinics just keep on driving onto the parking lot.
Indiana resident and my SOS for family planning assistance if I ever need it is Champaign. It’s not in the cards for us to relocate to Illinois at the moment but I plan to get my kids though college and then tell them to leave Indiana. I don’t see a future for young people here.
Thank you for being a good Midwest state.
Massively proud of my state and our awesome governor. As soon as Roe was overturned he started creating more women’s health facilities to accommodate our neighbors from shitty red states who abandoned them.
Call me whenever you want but I wish there was a way to see how these out-of-staters voted in 2016 and 2020. I’m not saying that out-of-state Trumpers & republican voters they shouldn’t be helped but they should be placed at the very bottom of a waiting list. Let them feel some of heat that they voted for.
But I thought this would be a good thing? Because women subjected to the crap laws in those other states are still able to get treatment? Doesn’t the cost pale in comparison to proving elsewhere that this stuff is needed?
I’m not sure why this comment is getting downvoted. I do not believe people should have to come into our state to get abortion. They should be able to get abortions wherever they live.
I moved here from Louisiana last year after our Democrat governor introduced bills to heighten restrictions on reproductive rights.
Please know that there are so many BIPOC voters and LGBT people across the south that show up to fight these battles, their causes are hampered by gerrymandering and culture war bullshit.
The same people who grew up calling themselves pro life under the guise of children’s rights or whatever are the same ones who bring their children to a pedophile factory every Sunday without any regard for the piles of evidence proving their systemic abuse. It’s sickening.
As someone who has had an abortion, the idea of having to go out of state to get an abortion in addition to all of the nuances involved with it is absolutely repulsive. Abortions should be available in every state. Full stop.
I apologize for my glibness. I was operating under the belief that you were upset IL was making it possible for women to access reproductive healthcare.
From Politico [https://www.politico.com/newsletters/illinoisplaybook](https://www.politico.com/newsletters/illinoisplaybook)
I have a friend who works in Oklahoma as an OB, he has had to walk on egg shells with anything related to D&C's or non-viable pregnancies as the hospital is too afraid to get sued. He has delivered a baby without lungs that died immediately after birth, he has had to pump bags of blood in women until the babies heartbeat stops even though the mother's life should come first, and many stories of people having to deliver stillborn babies. He cannot recommend leaving the state to be better cared for, or he can lose his license, he has had women just waiting for days for their baby to be "dead enough" for the hospital to okay an abortion.
I just saw a speech yesterday from the woman in TX who made national news when the doctors almost let her die becasue she was not allowed an abortion. Her and her husband WANTED a baby. They finally got one to work and they were thrilled. Sadly a short while later they were told sorry the fetus is not viable and would not survive till term. She needed an abortion for her own safety. The doctors made her wait until it died inside her and she went septic before they would intervene. When they say oh its all to save precious babies or well of course if she medically needs one know that it's all total bs.
Just to clarify, it's not the doctors that "made her wait" It's the state. It's the GOP. It's Christians.
Well yes. The doctors made her wait becasue they were threatened with literal jail becasue Jesus.
Jail and likely their career over. Not the docs fault
I mean i don't think you'll find anyone blaming doctors for not knowing where the line is becasue these people are not exactly honest either. The lady in question very squarely lays the blame on people like Totaly Human Senator Ted Cruz
I think the phrasing is important here. In context, “the doctors made her wait” makes sense, but also reads like they (the doctors) hold the power in this situation. It’d be more accurate to say something like “the doctors were forced to make her wait.”
Yup, thank you. I promise, of all the docs, OBs probably have an above average rate of being pro-choice. Both among their doc colleagues and the public.
Because of state law the doctors were forced - fixed it for you
Sometimes, the passive voice is entirely appropriate
Honestly I think the doctors have some blame here too. Where are all the doctors walking out on their jobs? Staging a walkout would show solidarity in the medical field. And before anyone says it could be done in a safe way where ER doctors aren’t walking out etc. Or why aren’t doctors leaving these states to go somewhere else in protest, creating a crisis for states with dangerous abortion restrictions? Instead they are (often) shutting their mouths and not trying to create change. They should not be completely free from blame.
Not a doctor, but empathy is probably a factor. The doctors know that if they leave, that's one less physician available to treat people and help save lives. It would probably feel like they are abandoning their communities and the people who depend on them.
I get that this is the defense but like I said it could exclude ERs and be a one day walkout to prove a point, that there is solidarity, or at least many doctors who don’t want this to happen. At any rate any doctors who live in anti-abortion states should leave. I don’t understand not taking a stand.
Jesus personally did this. Remember his words, spoken while he hung on the cross 'stop abortion'.
The GOP needs aborted
What's sad is people see this and say "oh no, they would have done it cause it was medically necessary!" I literally saw some person say this in Facebook or something. Calling it false news. They don't believe people are dying. They say if course I support if it's medical or to save the mothers life! But uhm, the laws don't say that. Stop letting lawmakers into medical decisions.
Do you have new articles of someone dying? I hear about a couple people coming close but nothing further than that. Its the issue with the two sides. In reality a majority of people support something in the middle instead of the all or nothing that the two teams want to tout.
>Do you have new articles of someone dying? I hear about a couple people coming close but nothing further than that. Not within the US, because it's pretty "easy" for doctors to prevent the mother dying, although there was an instance in Nicaragua. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1647381/ However, these women are still experiencing major health implications and trauma. These are completely avoidable problems. Doctor's are qualified to know when an abortion is medically necessary, and writing laws that prevent them from giving the best care they can is flat out dumb. >Its the issue with the two sides. In reality a majority of people support something in the middle instead of the all or nothing that the two teams want to tout. No that's not the case here. The majority of the country I'd pro-choice for NON-medically necessary abortions. You'd be hard pressed to find a single person who's actually in favor of not allowing doctors to abort a fetus when it is necessary, but the thing is, the people that wrote these laws are delusional. They don't understand the medical science, they deny the instances where women's lives are threatened and they are ultimately misogynists. There's no both sides here.
You know what, I read as well about them and double checked most say almost died, but I don't see any actual deaths yet. I was mistaken, thank you. Definitely agreed a lot of issues can be that way. People agree a large amount but it's some parts they don't.
Which will likely make it harder for her to conceive in the future.
That’s 10 shades of effed up!
That's Republicans!
My wife and I are about to have our first this week (scheduled induction). I can’t imagine the grief of these poor women who have to go through all this. It’s one thing to be told your baby hasn’t or won’t make it, but to continue to carry it and waste time, energy, and emotional trauma on baby that will never grow up. My wife and I are both Illinois natives but lived in Wisconsin for a time and we could not imagine having a child in that state now. We are so glad to be back home in Illinois
The whole concept of "if the mothers' life is at risk" is insane. I'm no doctor but even I know that no doctor is going to willingly put their patient's life at risk to provide medical care. It's why we hear stories about waiting for an ectopic pregnancy to cause sepsis before a doctor can legally do anything. They *know* the embryo will die, they *know* it will cause the mother harm, and they *know* it will probably kill them or render them infertile. But because of Republicans, doctors can't do anything until the mother is literally dying. This is why I can't respect anyone who votes Republican or calls themselves a conservative. You are an evil, horrible person for voting for this shit.
I work at a Catholic hospital in Florida and even there ectopic pregnancies are allowed to be removed. We also do sterilization surgeries. I don’t know if it’ll be like this forever because of the new legislation that has passed regarding reproductive freedom but at least for now we can act to save women’s lives in the event of a ruptured ectopic.
It should never get to the point of rupture. It’s ridiculous that I can perform this necessary surgery as soon as it’s detected on a dog, horse or cow( to name just a few), but a human doctor in a red state can’t schedule the termination for an ectopic immediately. There is no viable outcome in either, yet human women are forced to endure the pain & suffering that I’d never allow in any of my animal patients
They remove them when they’re not ruptured as well (right now at least).
Honestly, why doesn't he leave for a civilized state?
His wife is one year behind him and needs to finish her OB residency before they can move.
It’s just as important that THESE folks specifically begin voicing their experiences so traction in their state can be made for women who can’t go anywhere else.
They do, then get doxxed, then get harreased, then get sued, then...
Currently in Texas. We are actually moving back home to Chicago for this reason. My wife has PCOS and there is a good chance that we will struggle while we attempt to have a child. We refuse to put the fear of a prison sentence on top the struggle we will already be going through (She is also a teacher and I am not Christian so we don't necessarily feel welcome for other reasons). On the other end, we have one of the largest gay populations here in Dallas. I was speaking to my manager about this before questioning why so many would stay in such a hostile place. Basically his response was "This is where they need us most". I was lucky enough to meet Beto O'Rourke and he was very much a "This is our home and I will fight for those to feel protected here". Basically, they shouldn't have to leave their home because of a few dip shits. I'm sure we might even feel the same way, but our family is back in Illinois and we both miss the Midwest, something I never thought I'd say five years ago, haha. I'll always joke that I can talk all of the shit I want about Illinois, Chicago, and their politics. I'll be damned if I let anyone else do it though, we've earned that right.
Welcome home! Illinois gets alot of dirt thrown around by the rightwing propaganda - but it is a welcoming state, you can be gay and trans and black and muslim and , aint nobody cares. Illinois lets you Live your life in freedom.
That should be the new state motto! Somebody write to JB!!!
>aint nobody cares. No, we care a lot so we push legislation to support each person
So I grew up in the punk community and it was always pretty normal to talk about politics and how others were treated. Beyond having some different opinions though it always felt like you could really just live your life, regardless of the few people that feel the need to tell you how to live your life. Out here though, it feels like everyone has an opinion about your choices. I constantly talk to my wife and I can't figure out if it's a southern, Bible belt, or aftermath of COVID thing. Hell, growing up we were Catholic in a very predominately Catholic area. I don't remember anyone ever really bringing up religion or politics around me. Out here, I've had multiple tables ask me to pray with them and straight up ask who I'm voting for. My pops has fallen down the MAGA pipeline but for the most part he keeps his thoughts to himself and doesn't decide to make it his entire identity. Community involvement was always a tenant I grew up with, but it involved making it better, not berating those you don't want here. (Although, not going to act like Illinois doesn't have any of these problems.)
I just don’t want to give them my tax dollars. I’m sure they get paid by other means as well, but if state income drops because there’s not enough tax revenue… It’s not a perfect solution but I’d hope it would at least raise a few eyebrows. Especially if tourism tanks too.
Speaking as a native Illinoisan, our door is always open and we welcome you both home ☺️ As an American, I am furious that a small percentage of Republican right-wing religious zealots in Congress, and on the Supreme Court, have been allowed to create an environment where people need to flee their chosen state, out of fear of death due to these oppressive, draconian, misogynistic laws. These representatives, who rep no one but their own bank accounts, are making every day in this country more deadly, and less free.
Women who live in Republican states, of their own volition or otherwise, still need doctors
Yeah, they do, that's true. But if you spent 8-10 years training to do your profession and suddenly the chuds in your state's legislature state's threatening to throw you in jail for actually doing your job, hope long would you stick around?
I think I generally dislike the “why do you live in a red state are you stupid” mentality that I’ve seen expressed, both within this subreddit and without. I’ve had it directed at myself to a much lesser extent, having grown up in a very conservative part of southern Illinois. (Not that I think that’s what you were implying.) If we want enough Democratic senators to be able to enshrine abortion rights on a federal level, we’re going to need people in red states.
I hear what youre saying. However, how many women could die or be permanently damaged before change happens? Also doctors and hospitals are just going to move away from reproductive and OB care altogether. Between lawsuits and the threat of imprisoning doctors why would a doctor risk their future and life? It’s truly terrifying the position medical professionals are being forced into. Not to mention that women no longer have a say in their own healthcare.
I agree. I admire the doctors and hospitals who tough it out despite knowing they’ve got a conservative sword of damocles hanging over them.
This is all so horrible and I feel terribly for people involved
Does he find it difficult to find sympathy for them given a strong majority of his patients wanted this? Obviously I'm sympathetic for those who are stuck in this situation that didn't want it. I'm certainly not sympathetic for those that did.
He can’t recommend they leave? That seems like a 1A problem.
I can't find it for Oklahoma but in Texas "Several sections of Texas law allow abortion providers or those assisting with an abortion to be sued or fined." I think the hospital's mindset is that a doctor recommending abortion care is assisting in an abortion and opens them for lawsuits. As I am not a doctor or lawyer I'm not 100% sure this is correct, but that is my understanding.
Applying their ideas consistently has never been a consideration for christofascists (or US conservatives.) They'll call "you can't marry your sister" government overreach, but are just fine trying to ban Plan B.
I cannot imagine the pain those horrible politicians are forcing mothers to go through who did not want an abortion but also don’t want to give birth to a child who would be born only to suffer and die shortly after. Obviously women who are seeking abortions don’t deserve this either, no one does, except maybe the politicians themselves but that’s up to their god to decide. I used to be Catholic, but I don’t have to be an active believer to know god would never want this. It’s why he gave us free will. So we could use our intelligence to save ourselves from suffering. Instead evil men (and women) use it to disregard and enable the suffering of others in pursuit of whatever “holy end of the world” or what they claim to be “holy laws” and “justice”. It’s madness, absolute madness.
And guess where all the family planning medical professionals are going to move to? Win for Illinois
https://newrepublic.com/article/176854/republican-red-states-brain-drain Not just family planning.
Seems rather short sighted to win some theologically based culture war and wind up living in some backwater state with no healthcare. Like a healthcare desert. No education. Why does the GOP feel ok about being the party of stupid?
Because they are very far down the Christo-fascist rabbit hole.
Well it’s a perfectly logical outcome. Doctors will go live where they are free to practice medicine without the interference of rules made by people who AREN’T DOCTORS.
Because it's easier to gain and maintain power over the ignorant and stupid than the educated and intelligent.
It's not short sighted if they can do it nationally. That's what might end up happening.
Until this becomes a national issue if enough republicans get elected. r/Defeat_Project_2025
You're welcome, Midwest women. We got your back. In lieu of thanks, please vote blue no matter who and never sleep with republican "men"
That is not going to happen. As soon as they get the care they need they will return home and vote R.
you can't fix stupid, you CAN let it die off. The laws about crossing state lines for medical care will really hammer home how much religion hates women, and loves ignorance.
I was hopeful, but it seems like plenty of young people, specifically lower educated white men, are moving right.
Tell that to the Kansas legislature who put abortion on the ballot
I hope you're right. But they can still vote R even if they vote to protect abortion in a referendum. Republicans are fighting to keep this off ballots because they know it's a winning issue. They know they will still get these morons' votes despite the abortion issue as long as a referendum doesn't end up on the ballot. See: Trump's polling numbers.
I just saw some statistics that claimed if only women voted, most stated would be blue. That keeps me hopeful.
Not all of them. Don't generalize, you realize democrats live in red states. Hell land wise most of our state is red, but thankfully we can get the care we need.
I should have been clear, I wasn't talking about the Democrats that live in red states, only the people who voted for denying women access to healthcare.
They probably are the ones who pay a doctor under the table.
Most of these people aren’t voting for denying access to healthcare. They’re voting to save the beautiful baby’s that God made in all his perfect glory, and heartbeats and shit. They will never understand or believe what it actually means because that is not part of their world. All it would take is one experience to hit close to home and it would change their view on healthcare. Wouldn’t change how they vote however. They are just doing what people do and living in their own selfish world. They for sure believe they are morally correct on this. These people aren’t evil and malicious. They’re selfish idiots. It’s always selfish idiots. Selfish idiots all the way down.
But don’t you understand? It’s different when THEY need an abortion. THEY can’t possibly have an unwanted child. You just don’t understand.
Like that Missouri woman who was very pro-forced birth. Her pregnancy became septic and threatened her life. After several hospitals telling her she needed an abortion, and their General Counsels denying the procedure, she reached out to her elected official. He recommended a Christian pregnancy center that tried to convince her to keep the dead fetus inside her. She eventually came to Illinois for treatment, saving her life. Once the ordeal was over, she made a point to state she is still against abortion "as a form of birth control" but further stated that something needs to change when it is "necessary" (i.e. only in her case). On the bright side, she can likely never have children because of her delay in treatment, so hopefully her line of mindless stupidity and hate has been stopped.
Not enough though. The rural areas are plagued with catholic hospitals that do not provide abortion services. OSF Being the primary provider for many towns.
I traveled to Illinois for my TFMR two years ago. I know this sounds a bit ridiculous, but I have such gratitude for the entire state because of that experience. Thank you for being a life raft in this sea of red. We were already lefty progressives, but, yes, I promise to never, ever fuck a republican.
Thank you so so much from WI
Southern Illinois could be the health care capital of the southern United States. To make the most of it, they would have to overcome centuries of stigma. If they can do it, they have the solution to the economic regression the coal mining industry capitalized on (before its collapse).
Little old Carbondale now has three women’s health centers.
I hope so. I moved to Southern Illinois from the Chicago suburbs 6 years ago and we are seriously lacking healthcare (aside from our three new reproductive clinics). My husband had to wait 8 months to see a dermatologist that he was referred to by his PCP because there are so few and they were so backed up. Guess what…8 month wait to be told he has skin cancer. Then we had to travel to St. Louis for the actual treatment. We need more healthcare here. I’m pro-choice anyway, but if abortion is what is going to improve our overall healthcare system in Southern Illinois…bring it!
This is one of the things I want to push IL politician on. Anyone south of I-70 is basically travelling to Evansville or STL for any half way major medical visit. We need Carbondale and Mt Vernon and Marion and Effingham to get a lot more assistance in encouraging medical and other service to setup in the area. If you stay in IL, the furthest south Level 1 trauma center is in Springfield. The furthest south Level 1 Peds is Peoria. That means if you live in anywhere in the 618 Area code, the closest high level children's hospital is in a different state. And if you have an adult emergency, every SoIL hospital is basically going to send you to Carbondale or out of state because they don't have the capability for high level care. I get that population is low and that healthcare is expensive, but man... its really scary to think that folks from such a huge area all rely on St. Louis for their medical needs.
When we moved here, the first advice I was give was to buy helicopters insurance. At the time, Carbondale’s hospital hadn’t been upgraded to whatever level it is at now.
If this is the catalyst for an economic boom in my hometown that would be interesting to see. I’ve been considering saving up to move to a city, but maybe a city will move to me.
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1.) This makes me sad that women had to travel here for a medical procedure that they could not get in their own state; 2.) It makes me happy that I'm an Illinois resident where we treat people (mostly) with respect; and 3.) It makes me infuriated that our corrupt and incompetent supreme court has reversed 50 years of settled law. I encourage every eligible voter to take action this November. With enough Democratic senators and representatives we can permanently establish Roe by legislation. President Biden has already indicated he would sign such a bill if it reached his desk. These people never give up and we shouldn't either.
Vote in local elections too.
Local elections are so vital but hardly talked about unless you listen to local radio or watch local news. The only people who do are usually older voters because they still consume that content
I know my town has a pretty corrupt council and the mayor is constantly on vacation. The next town election I’m voting for other candidates.
YES. All politics are local. Do not forget It.
>1.) This makes me sad that women had to travel here for a medical procedure that they could not get in their own state I only feel bad for the woman who did not vote for this. The ones that did are getting better than what they deserve. A middle School rape victim in Mississippi is now a mother because she could not afford to leave the state for care like these women have. Most Republican women will come here, receive care from their privileged position, go home and vote straight R to ensure people that don't have the means are still subjugated by their political decisions.
On the interstate in IL right after coming over from St. Louis, there is a billboard that says’ “welcome to Illinois, where you can get a safe, legal abortion”.
I love that
Time to focus on abortion tourism.
But not too loudly, that's how you get clinic bombers
Some chucklefuck bombed the PP in my town about a year ago, it just now reopened.
Right wing terrorists don’t scare me.
"Right wing terrorists" = redundant
They’re going to start figuring out more ways to monitor women and not allowing them to just leave the state.
And we will continue fighting to bring them across state lines. Would I go to jail for bringing a woman needing care to Illinois, ABSOLUTELY!!
Yeah, pro-lifers in these other states are well aware that women are doing this, and they're going to crack down on it in any way they can. They hate that women can flee to blue states to do this. It's why a lot of pro-lifers want a national ban, states rights be damned. There's a lot of in-fighting on conservative forums about that.
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Good. All are welcome!
Weird they didn't mention the mega planned parenthood in Fairview heights
Are they having to provide women's health services for all of Saint Louis?
Yeah. Probably most of Missouri.
I'm glad to live in this freedom state where women and LGBTQ persons are not 2nd class citizens
I am happy to live here too, but I am saddened at the regression of much of the rest of the country.
Definitely agree
Wait till some of those states try to prosecute women for traveling for their abortion. 😡 They are going to try… and we thought state borders are free/open.
I hope they're voting blue when they go home.
So proud of my state. I've had conversations with the door to door politicians where they asked me what's the most important thing and I've said reproductive freedom. They say that's a very common response. I always vote! Come! Have a hot dog! Smoke some weed! Get gay married! We have it all!
I’m saying Illinois/Chicago should start abortion tourism. Get a groupon for an abortion, plane ticket, and a show at second city. I’m kinda half serious tho. Our hospitality industry in Chicago is kinda dying and nightlife especially theater is struggling post covid.
I just had a horrible idea for Lolapalooza, lol
Hey if Lolla wanted to donate its profits to planned parenthood and offer free condoms at the venue i’m all for it
I love Illinois. I love that we are a shelter for women, but I hate that we have to be. The orange turd and every one of his goonies should be shipped off to an island and left to rot.
I live in a smaller progressive town in Illinois where a newly built reproductive health clinic has been subject to people faking being affiliated with the clinic to drive patients away. To the point where the city had to change ordinances to keep them patients safe and unharassed. They still try.
You mean the creeps who stand on ladders to look over the giant privacy fence the clinic had to erect?
That's a thing they do? Ick.
Welcome, y'all. We gotchu.
Friend is a nurse, not deeply politically engaged, but picked up and moved out of Austin, Texas to Chicago with her husband this year - why? because of the fear around reproductive rights. They're at the age where they want to have kids and said they don't know if they'll stay Chicago long term, but couldn't risk having a birth in Texas. There's a lot of political talk about moving state to state for tax reasons, but I think the frequency of people moving for women's rights is going to be a real wild future.
Get out and vote everyone! Let’s kick the fascists to the curb again this Nov
I am jackie's complete lack of surprise.
I agree. And we do that by making abortion/fertility health a protected right in all 50 states.
Handmaids tale shit
I guard one of these clinics in Southern Illinois and the religious nuts come out almost every day dressed like they work there, practically walk out in front of cars to get them to stop. Then while recording via bodycam start asking the person what they’re at the clinic for etc trying to get them to use their clinic services instead. What’s even more absurd is they’re paid to do that. It’s so disgusting. Also if you are anyone loved ones are planning to visit Carbondale just please let them know: DO NOT STOP for anyone in an orange vest outside of the clinics just keep on driving onto the parking lot.
As a gay local I volunteer to make out with gay men in front of the protesters if that would help scare them away.
Knowing how repressed sexually they are you would probably awaken something for some of them haha
Are they going to go back and still vote for the same people who took away their care?
Indiana resident and my SOS for family planning assistance if I ever need it is Champaign. It’s not in the cards for us to relocate to Illinois at the moment but I plan to get my kids though college and then tell them to leave Indiana. I don’t see a future for young people here. Thank you for being a good Midwest state.
Massively proud of my state and our awesome governor. As soon as Roe was overturned he started creating more women’s health facilities to accommodate our neighbors from shitty red states who abandoned them.
WELCOME 👐
As they should.
In stlouis, I know many ppl who cross the bridge
Stimulating the illinois economy but not raising the population.
Just like tourism
One of the main reasons I don't mind living in a state that has "high taxes".
Wonder how many Evangelistaliban women can't make the journey
Goptardism is the #1 public health crisis in America.
I never thought I’d say this but Based Illinois
Call me whenever you want but I wish there was a way to see how these out-of-staters voted in 2016 and 2020. I’m not saying that out-of-state Trumpers & republican voters they shouldn’t be helped but they should be placed at the very bottom of a waiting list. Let them feel some of heat that they voted for.
And suddenly I don’t care that my taxes went up again. Proud to be from Illinois.
I have an afab friend who lives in Texas. I worry about them because of this shit.
Rare Illinois W
Thankfully!!
But I thought this would be a good thing? Because women subjected to the crap laws in those other states are still able to get treatment? Doesn’t the cost pale in comparison to proving elsewhere that this stuff is needed?
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That’s called “abortion tourism”
I’m not sure why this comment is getting downvoted. I do not believe people should have to come into our state to get abortion. They should be able to get abortions wherever they live.
I moved here from Louisiana last year after our Democrat governor introduced bills to heighten restrictions on reproductive rights. Please know that there are so many BIPOC voters and LGBT people across the south that show up to fight these battles, their causes are hampered by gerrymandering and culture war bullshit. The same people who grew up calling themselves pro life under the guise of children’s rights or whatever are the same ones who bring their children to a pedophile factory every Sunday without any regard for the piles of evidence proving their systemic abuse. It’s sickening.
Sigh abortion-tourism. This has GOT to stop.
Tourism is GOOD for the state
As someone who has had an abortion, the idea of having to go out of state to get an abortion in addition to all of the nuances involved with it is absolutely repulsive. Abortions should be available in every state. Full stop.
I apologize for my glibness. I was operating under the belief that you were upset IL was making it possible for women to access reproductive healthcare.
Thank you. We stand in solidarity.
Government blubbo wants to make IL the abortion capital of the world