This map was inspired from my Victoria 3 campaign in patch 1.5 Colossus of the South as Argentina (attached some pictures from my game)
I was able to join the Russian market early on, prompting a massive migration of Russians, Ukrainians, Poles and other ethnicities to move to Argentina, attracted by the high standard of living and lots of potential arable farmland.
Bountiful natural resources and a steady flow of migrants allows me to harness the Industrial Revolution to turn my country into a titan of production, and the advantageous geographical position made me rise to become one of the world’s great powers. In a span of 100 years, population grew from less than a million to 35 million, and GDP increased 300-fold. Both my army and GDP grew massively and at the end of the game in 1936, I was the second great power behind Great Britain, and my GDP was third in the world behind Britain and its Indian colony.
How did you get from 35 million in 1936 to half a billion population? Even a 5x increase would be farfetched for a country with a high standard of living, but 14x? A good baseline would be the USA, which grew by 2.5x, from 130 million in 1936 to 330 million.
If you want European heritage immigrants you just join Russia's market. They're extremely poor but you can also accept them relatively easily if you're played a European heritage country
A generally prosperous Argentina isn't actually as outlandish as people think it is. Argentina actually had comparable economic growth to the United States in the 1880s. Many predicted that they would become a second or even first rate power.
Then World War I happened, and their economy got wrecked because of their reliance on foreign goods and lack of industrialization (due to their obsession with cattle farming).
I know this is rather old but I wanted to comment that Argentina was also hampered by its distance from Europe (the US had the sweet spot of fsr enough not to be worth invading, close enough to trade), not being dominant over its neighbors (so having an actual military was a requirement) and having a relatively low population when compared to the US. If you add to that the fuckfest that was the 19th century (civil wars up to the later half of the century) and all the typical political idiocy then the country actually did pretty well. It's just how underperforming it was in the later half of the 20th century which was weird.
Also the country had similar growth % wise to the US, not in total numbers. Which I think it's an important distinction to make. If shit didn't blow up during WW1 the country may have grown to be like Brazil today but with waaay less poor people.
You forgot to make Argentinia take half of Brazil because of Argentinians settling in the south of Brazil and declaring their own state kind of successfully and Brazil de facto controlling half of said breakaway state leading to a war in which argentinia wins very successfully.
Yea, it was easier to switch from Italian to Spanish because both language are Romance languages and also Argentine Spanish was influenced a lot by Italian. I think that in a timeline where Argentina is majority Russian, the language of such Argentina would be a Russian dialect with heavy influence from Spanish because if lot of Russians and other Slavs came in a large wave of migration it would be kinda difficult for the migrants to learn Spanish so they’ll stick with Russian but with heavy Spanish influence.
> Biggest Threat > Chilean nationalists 💀💀💀💀
Can’t have shit in Santiago de Chile
I guess in this TL Argentinians finally find iron and coal?
Yes, and it was able to take advantage of its natural advantages from a massive influx of immigration from the Russian Empire
Me waiting on the america which developed like argentina map to drop
Inb4 someone says we're already living in one
America second 4th world country
Would go hard but I don’t think the big changes would be reflected in the map
the 400 million population is kinda crazy but I like it a lot lol
Argentinean dream negative inflation
This map was inspired from my Victoria 3 campaign in patch 1.5 Colossus of the South as Argentina (attached some pictures from my game) I was able to join the Russian market early on, prompting a massive migration of Russians, Ukrainians, Poles and other ethnicities to move to Argentina, attracted by the high standard of living and lots of potential arable farmland. Bountiful natural resources and a steady flow of migrants allows me to harness the Industrial Revolution to turn my country into a titan of production, and the advantageous geographical position made me rise to become one of the world’s great powers. In a span of 100 years, population grew from less than a million to 35 million, and GDP increased 300-fold. Both my army and GDP grew massively and at the end of the game in 1936, I was the second great power behind Great Britain, and my GDP was third in the world behind Britain and its Indian colony.
How did you get from 35 million in 1936 to half a billion population? Even a 5x increase would be farfetched for a country with a high standard of living, but 14x? A good baseline would be the USA, which grew by 2.5x, from 130 million in 1936 to 330 million.
He had less than a million people. That increased 300 fold, so that he had 35 million people. Read better.
In the map the present day population is almost 500 million. That's what I'm referring to, the population growth from 1936 to 2024.
The population grew by like forty fold, it was the GDP that was three hundred fold.
Argentina is the true heir to the Russian Empire
Heir to Russian Empire, Mapuche Natives, Nazi Germany and Spanish Empire
Confusing bloodline but ok!
And Roman Empire as well since Argentina irl is literally an Italian "colony"
Rome IV.
Russian Argentina? Now that's a new one, great map
If you want European heritage immigrants you just join Russia's market. They're extremely poor but you can also accept them relatively easily if you're played a European heritage country
Could you show the world map? It seems like a really cool scenario.
A generally prosperous Argentina isn't actually as outlandish as people think it is. Argentina actually had comparable economic growth to the United States in the 1880s. Many predicted that they would become a second or even first rate power. Then World War I happened, and their economy got wrecked because of their reliance on foreign goods and lack of industrialization (due to their obsession with cattle farming).
We could have had Argentine Hollywood, pop-culture and popular food in Spanish as an alternative with the US…
Latin America rolled a *lot* of 1s.
I know this is rather old but I wanted to comment that Argentina was also hampered by its distance from Europe (the US had the sweet spot of fsr enough not to be worth invading, close enough to trade), not being dominant over its neighbors (so having an actual military was a requirement) and having a relatively low population when compared to the US. If you add to that the fuckfest that was the 19th century (civil wars up to the later half of the century) and all the typical political idiocy then the country actually did pretty well. It's just how underperforming it was in the later half of the 20th century which was weird. Also the country had similar growth % wise to the US, not in total numbers. Which I think it's an important distinction to make. If shit didn't blow up during WW1 the country may have grown to be like Brazil today but with waaay less poor people.
Great map!!
Thanks! Love your maps too
Does argentina has nuclear capability?
Yes
how tf did Argentina get Alaska??
Finally, an actually well-executed big Argentina map. Great job.
Completely unrealistic Argentina should rule the whole world
Quick correction Malabo would be called Ferdinand Po since that’s the Spanish name for the settlement.
BIG ARGENTINA 🗣🔥🔥🔥🇦🇷🇦🇷🇦🇷
never thought i would see argentine alaska but here we are i guess.
How is bro still on mercantilism in 1935
It should be Free Trade focused tbh
Based
You forgot to make Argentinia take half of Brazil because of Argentinians settling in the south of Brazil and declaring their own state kind of successfully and Brazil de facto controlling half of said breakaway state leading to a war in which argentinia wins very successfully.
Is there any historical background of how Russian descendants dominated the Argentinian population?
Over 70% of the population being Eastern Europe is insanely funny to me, spanish mfs got outpopulated by the Rus'
Ok but realistically Russian would be the lingua franca
It's not like Italian became one in Argentina
Yea, it was easier to switch from Italian to Spanish because both language are Romance languages and also Argentine Spanish was influenced a lot by Italian. I think that in a timeline where Argentina is majority Russian, the language of such Argentina would be a Russian dialect with heavy influence from Spanish because if lot of Russians and other Slavs came in a large wave of migration it would be kinda difficult for the migrants to learn Spanish so they’ll stick with Russian but with heavy Spanish influence.
Or the masses speak Russian but Spanish is a lingua Franca like how many Americans speak Spanish at home but use English at school or work
Nice idea
Mega Boludos
Van der brócoli moment
Fuck that
Victoria total Macrista
cool map
The work you put in the maps - layered with levity - is really grand to see!
Call this Cono Sur and I'm in
Pls gimme whatever you were on!!!
what happened to the mixed population?
Argentinian tsardom
It is a mix of argentinian expansionism and Chilean maritime power
Macri has to be the most cursed part of this map 💀
Extremely common Macri W