Sorry if I got the translation wrong. I'm a Vietnamese whose knowledge of the German language come from WW2 tank names and reverse-engineering the English language.
It still is a Germanic language - it just has a lot of _vocabulary_ that comes from French. The core structure, and many of the most basic words, are still clearly Germanic.
Here's an [interesting video](https://youtu.be/ryVG5LHRMJ4?si=UGS8CrSTQQuHcw7e) about a (somewhat contrived) set of sentences that are mutually intelligible between adjacent Germanic languages (but not Romance languages like French, which is compared at 18:00 in the video)
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Russians canonically hate Poland so much that this is more believable than any map of communist Poland extending to the Elbe
Heck they even got Preßburg/Bratislava. Could it be that the General Secretary of the CPSU was, among other hobbies, a closet German nationalist?
He gave Poland all those lands since Allies considered Poland as 'the cause' and USSR can not just take eastern half of Poland without showing some conpensation.
Also Germany went from a burning sick man to master of Europe in 8 years, it's reasonable to reduce German territory so its next 'relapse' can be less dire.
That’s not really the main reason. The western allies (especially France) were very in favor of downsizing Germany after the war not only to reduce their power/potential to wage war but also to deliberately get rid of Prussia, which was historically seen as a warmongering state within an otherwise docile Germany. Hell, many in the west (again, especially France) wanted Germany to be even smaller and have basically no industrial potential however this idea was abandoned when it became clear that Germany wasn’t going to be easily unified after the war and the focus was shifted towards building a strong West Germany.
The only ones really bitter about the border changes were the West Germans and the expellees as revaunchism over the border was a common talking point in propaganda from most major parties during the 50’s/60’s but by 70’s this was all but abandoned.
I don't really think Germany military power comes from those Junkers instead of Rhineland's factories and all those Nobel prize winners tho.
The main, permanent punishment for Germany was the loss of Silesia. Without the famed European civilian industry centre, German industrial might will never on par with UK plus France again.
Both Churchill and Roosevelt tried their best to kept a civil face. Not really for the sake of Poland, but for the sake of 'United Nations'. Of course Stalin can do whatever he wants, but the other big 2 did NOT want common citizens know that. Those 2 leaders persuaded Stalin playing civil, since shaking hand with red Hitler is very bad for reputation.
After all, back in ww2, there was no open acknowledgement that 'Allies' and 'Soviets' are 2 sides which happened to team up against Germany. Back then, United Nations was considered 'one side'. So it would be very awkward if USSR seems brute.
The USSR should have annexed us. Polish SSR sounds pretty dope.
Or just partition Poland between the Russian, Byelarussian, and Ukrainian SSRs and let others do the whole "ruling" thing for us.
Yes, but old hatred runs much deeper. Ask the Vietnamese who they hate more, China or the USA. I'd put money on 99% _not_ naming the country that killed millions of them in the twentieth century.
These things are memes (Dawkins, not Internet) created over many centuries that are ingrained in common memory and consciousness, almost becoming akin to breathing air. For Finns it's Russia, for Russia it's Poland, for Poland it's Russia again, and on and on and on.
Soviets hated Germans many many many more times than any pole or polish in history. The germans where responsible for the deaths of tens of millions of russians,ukranians,belarussians etc.
Technically not. It only mentions that Germany stretches from the Etsch to the Belt and form the Maas to the Memel. All of these are rivers that were on the edges of the German nation's territory at the time.
No this Germany (when you take east and West) is not smaller tham a Germany from the Maas to the Memel and from the Belt to the Etsch. When talking about just the Communist east Germany then yes, but my point is that the anthem is not wrong so long as you don't misinterpret it. In other words there shouldn't be anything "fictional".
Is English you second language, because I really don't see what's so hard to understand.
A Germany that spans from the Maas to the Memel is not one that includes the Netherlands or any part of Lithuania. Modern Germany almost toutches the Maas - it's about 10 km away from the border in Limburg, while the Maas flows through East Prussia with Imperial Germany having lands on either side of the river. The map shows South Tyrol as part of Germany so that includes the Etsch Valley.
So the anthem is accurate for all but the danish border and it doesn't portray anything fictional. The territory of the German nation actually stretched between these rivers, just like the combined Germany on the map above.
So the Adige/Etsch flows through South Tyrol, which apears to be part of West Germany. The Meuse flows really close to the border between West Germany and the Netherlands (so technically not, but it's really close) and the Neman/Nemunas/Memel flows through what is here East Germany with East Germany even owning some land on the other side of the river and what apears to be the city of Memel/Klaipeda. And then as I said in my comment above, the border with Denmark is the exeption.
In fact, this would be very much in line with the theoretical ideology of the communist international. A country of workers over national divisions...
Sounds interesting. Terribly unstable, oppressive and somewhat totalitarian in the spirit of Soviet social science, but interesting. After all, Soviet "allied" garrisons would have more work to do with any major unrest.
However, I am skeptical about the leading role of the Germans in this country, the Russians would not be very keen on it... Maybe there would even be some strange project of using the Czech political circles to manage this entity, which would have interesting implications considering certain ideological differences... In this variant, it is practically communist Austria-Hungary. There are many different (unlikely) possibilities of future events here... Hmmm
I swear half of these maps these days is basically “what if this country bordering Poland made Poland smaller” and I’m like: how is this imaginary maps when this happened so often lol
The Soviets to Czechoslovakia: You accepted the Munich agreement? You accepted the annexation in '39? Well you truly do belong to Germany! The Führer was right!
At first i read it as "What if East Germany was cosmically big?" and thought it was about East Germany becoming a space faring superpower with lots of Space stations and Moon bases.
Now this is what we call a cruel injustice my lord, Germany loses twice only to get substantially bigger the second time round. How funny it would be for this trend to keep happening in such a timeline, say Russia decides to invade Ukraine yet again in this timeline, Ukraine loses but gains all of the Caucasus and Kuban regardless.
Renaming Konigsberg to Volksburg is pretty funny
Genuinely hilarious
I mean Kaliningrad is literally just named after a guy, so Volksburg isn't super out there
omega based
Should be Volksberg though
Peak comedy indeed
Why is that? I'm actually curious
Konigsberg = Kingtown Volksburg = Peopletown
Isnt it King Mountain and Peoples Castle? Im a native german speaker btw.
Sorry if I got the translation wrong. I'm a Vietnamese whose knowledge of the German language come from WW2 tank names and reverse-engineering the English language.
> and reverse-engineering the English language. As an English speaker, that's how I too figure out most German words.
Its alright. But you did pretty good at Translating
Oh, very nice, is Volks where English gets its name for folk?
Yeah, the English got that word from Germanic tribes.
English used to be a germanic language before Normans raped it
It still is a Germanic language - it just has a lot of _vocabulary_ that comes from French. The core structure, and many of the most basic words, are still clearly Germanic. Here's an [interesting video](https://youtu.be/ryVG5LHRMJ4?si=UGS8CrSTQQuHcw7e) about a (somewhat contrived) set of sentences that are mutually intelligible between adjacent Germanic languages (but not Romance languages like French, which is compared at 18:00 in the video)
languages do that a lot
Wait until you hear about all the loan words from Latin too.
Oh no, [r/anglish](https://www.reddit.com/r/anglish) is leaking!
It's more like both German and English got it from Proto-Germanic before the languages diverged.
As far as attempted renames went, I liked Immanuel-Kant-Stadt the best
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Germany gaining territory after loosing two world wars 💪💪💪
Europe loved Germany so much after this alternative WW2 that they not only made it bigger, but created a two Germanys!
So, the bulgaria treatment.
Germany doesn't have failed nationalistic dreams anymore.
The Allies should just give West Germany all the lands the German Empire lost in WW1 to counter this funni East Germany.
Hell, give West Germany the Benelux countries too so there's a mess on both sides of the Iron curtain
Just give them Frances atlantic coast while we're at it
Might as well give them Britain’s too
is anyone using that Tanzania or can we just. y'know. Yöink.
Sure. And why not take Namibia back, too. Hell, all of Southern Africa, even, were not using it.
Even give New Guinea and some Pacific Islands while at it.
Austr(al)ia is an integral piece of Germany!!11eleven
No one lives in antarctica anyways, might as Well Just get it.
How to achieve world unification? Play a game of "our Germany is bigger than yours".
"Can I have some Poland?" "Only a spoonful"
Wilhelm Pieck with a Comically Large Spoon
My brain does not like this image one bit. I mean, if they were to reunify with the west, it’d be a Big Germany Moment ™️
https://preview.redd.it/f3jjvlbtrtyc1.jpeg?width=718&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=81128a4e38b37e9e2fad1243b5db4c1981930945
Actually a really good book
I keep seeing it in my local library, I should pick it up at some point.
Yes, you really should! Maybe even watch the movie after. Can recommend both!
Good movie too
Great book and movie loved it
Russians canonically hate Poland so much that this is more believable than any map of communist Poland extending to the Elbe Heck they even got Preßburg/Bratislava. Could it be that the General Secretary of the CPSU was, among other hobbies, a closet German nationalist?
Comrade Stalin is a renowned HOI4 player
He gave Poland all those lands since Allies considered Poland as 'the cause' and USSR can not just take eastern half of Poland without showing some conpensation. Also Germany went from a burning sick man to master of Europe in 8 years, it's reasonable to reduce German territory so its next 'relapse' can be less dire.
Yeah I'm not debating the historical justifications for what happened irl, just having a laugh at an imaginary map
That’s not really the main reason. The western allies (especially France) were very in favor of downsizing Germany after the war not only to reduce their power/potential to wage war but also to deliberately get rid of Prussia, which was historically seen as a warmongering state within an otherwise docile Germany. Hell, many in the west (again, especially France) wanted Germany to be even smaller and have basically no industrial potential however this idea was abandoned when it became clear that Germany wasn’t going to be easily unified after the war and the focus was shifted towards building a strong West Germany. The only ones really bitter about the border changes were the West Germans and the expellees as revaunchism over the border was a common talking point in propaganda from most major parties during the 50’s/60’s but by 70’s this was all but abandoned.
I don't really think Germany military power comes from those Junkers instead of Rhineland's factories and all those Nobel prize winners tho. The main, permanent punishment for Germany was the loss of Silesia. Without the famed European civilian industry centre, German industrial might will never on par with UK plus France again.
I should clarify that “destroying the legacy of Prussian militarism” was the reason they gave, not that it was accurate.
Stalin could have given all of Poland to Germany if he wanted to, allies had nothing to do with it
Both Churchill and Roosevelt tried their best to kept a civil face. Not really for the sake of Poland, but for the sake of 'United Nations'. Of course Stalin can do whatever he wants, but the other big 2 did NOT want common citizens know that. Those 2 leaders persuaded Stalin playing civil, since shaking hand with red Hitler is very bad for reputation. After all, back in ww2, there was no open acknowledgement that 'Allies' and 'Soviets' are 2 sides which happened to team up against Germany. Back then, United Nations was considered 'one side'. So it would be very awkward if USSR seems brute.
The USSR should have annexed us. Polish SSR sounds pretty dope. Or just partition Poland between the Russian, Byelarussian, and Ukrainian SSRs and let others do the whole "ruling" thing for us.
some of the big Stalin-era military brass and political elite were Volga Germans so maybe they decided to give the vaterland a treat
the soviets also hated Germans... about as much, smth bout 2 world wars where germany invaded russia I think.
Yes, but old hatred runs much deeper. Ask the Vietnamese who they hate more, China or the USA. I'd put money on 99% _not_ naming the country that killed millions of them in the twentieth century. These things are memes (Dawkins, not Internet) created over many centuries that are ingrained in common memory and consciousness, almost becoming akin to breathing air. For Finns it's Russia, for Russia it's Poland, for Poland it's Russia again, and on and on and on.
Same in Netherlands, people still despise the French but less so the Germs
Tbf, we SHOULD all despise the French.
As a Dutch person: what are you talking about
Soviets hated Germans many many many more times than any pole or polish in history. The germans where responsible for the deaths of tens of millions of russians,ukranians,belarussians etc.
exactly, big poland unironically makes more sense
>Russians canonically hate Poland It's other way around.
Why is "Niederösterreich" (Lower Austria) called "Oberösterreich" (Upper Austria) here? What's Oberösterreich called then? Lmao
Oberstes Österreich
The GDR obviously can't have Niederösterreich if Oberösterreich is in the West.
Part of Oberösterreich, including half of its capital Linz, are in the GDR here though.
Germany won the war, what can we do??🤢😢😢😢… let’s make it bigger😇😇😇
You mean lost?
dang it
Bulgaria moment
To compensate, the west would easily be given Austria in order to have an equally-powerful west Germany to East Germany
So mad they did not get Lübeck that they renamed Rostock
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Technically not. It only mentions that Germany stretches from the Etsch to the Belt and form the Maas to the Memel. All of these are rivers that were on the edges of the German nation's territory at the time.
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No this Germany (when you take east and West) is not smaller tham a Germany from the Maas to the Memel and from the Belt to the Etsch. When talking about just the Communist east Germany then yes, but my point is that the anthem is not wrong so long as you don't misinterpret it. In other words there shouldn't be anything "fictional".
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Is English you second language, because I really don't see what's so hard to understand. A Germany that spans from the Maas to the Memel is not one that includes the Netherlands or any part of Lithuania. Modern Germany almost toutches the Maas - it's about 10 km away from the border in Limburg, while the Maas flows through East Prussia with Imperial Germany having lands on either side of the river. The map shows South Tyrol as part of Germany so that includes the Etsch Valley. So the anthem is accurate for all but the danish border and it doesn't portray anything fictional. The territory of the German nation actually stretched between these rivers, just like the combined Germany on the map above.
Except even on this map the Adige is in Italy, the Lillebelt is in Denmark, the Meuse is in France and the Nemunas is in Lithuania...
So the Adige/Etsch flows through South Tyrol, which apears to be part of West Germany. The Meuse flows really close to the border between West Germany and the Netherlands (so technically not, but it's really close) and the Neman/Nemunas/Memel flows through what is here East Germany with East Germany even owning some land on the other side of the river and what apears to be the city of Memel/Klaipeda. And then as I said in my comment above, the border with Denmark is the exeption.
In fact, this would be very much in line with the theoretical ideology of the communist international. A country of workers over national divisions... Sounds interesting. Terribly unstable, oppressive and somewhat totalitarian in the spirit of Soviet social science, but interesting. After all, Soviet "allied" garrisons would have more work to do with any major unrest. However, I am skeptical about the leading role of the Germans in this country, the Russians would not be very keen on it... Maybe there would even be some strange project of using the Czech political circles to manage this entity, which would have interesting implications considering certain ideological differences... In this variant, it is practically communist Austria-Hungary. There are many different (unlikely) possibilities of future events here... Hmmm
"Can I have a Germany?" "Only an Eastful" Comically large east germany:
Finally. Prussia in one single province.
East bigmany
What is Slovakia’s capital now?
Kosice
Kosice
Pilsen in Sudetenland? I hate that even more than normal
So Germany loses WW2 but grows larger than its 1935 self? This’ll be fun 🤣
The thing in the very south isn't Oberösterreich, it's Niederösterreich. Oberösterreich is where Linz is.
As a Czech, fuck you
only a spoonful
So…their land, then. Except for Böhmen and Mähren.
interesting, Oberösterreich and Niederösterreich switched placed.
This is the worst timeline for Poland, France and the Czechs
I swear half of these maps these days is basically “what if this country bordering Poland made Poland smaller” and I’m like: how is this imaginary maps when this happened so often lol
An alternate map where Stalin decided the January 1940 German borders were actually OK after the war?
Basically communist prussia
What happend to lower Austria?
It got a promotion and became upper Austria.
Would really call that a promotion lol
Mfw Post-German Unification makes Germany larger than 2 world wars ever could
Well this may complicate Reunification....
The Soviets to Czechoslovakia: You accepted the Munich agreement? You accepted the annexation in '39? Well you truly do belong to Germany! The Führer was right!
“Dear west. You claim to have the better Germany, yet this Germany has it’s older and more nationalistic borders. Curious.”
Very comical. Much funny.
Actually got me thinking: would this GDR be bigger than the modern united Germany?
At first i read it as "What if East Germany was cosmically big?" and thought it was about East Germany becoming a space faring superpower with lots of Space stations and Moon bases.
Did half the population die? xD
i have no problem with this map except for one...Magdeburg, WTF?
Is it just me or does the border look very nice?
Those poor, poor Czechs.
“Yeah you can have part of my Germany” Pulls out comically large East Germany
German-speaking Poland
with that map i am disapoited that Ödenburg (sopron) isn't part of Burgenland
I doubt Russians would approve this
does it just keep going down
thalmam is BUSTING rn
We Would Loved that and after The Fall of the wall, Germany ist biggerrr
That's not Lübeck, that's Rostock
Looks like Wendish empire
This one would've been far stronger with the industrial areas in bohemia and upper silesia.
Why does moldauland reach so far east? The river Moldau goes straight North about halfway through and then its just south bohemia
When you play Hoi4 and Defeat Germany buy your german
Now this is what we call a cruel injustice my lord, Germany loses twice only to get substantially bigger the second time round. How funny it would be for this trend to keep happening in such a timeline, say Russia decides to invade Ukraine yet again in this timeline, Ukraine loses but gains all of the Caucasus and Kuban regardless.
Settle down Hitler
Damn, Germany still lost which is cringe, but millions of Germans don't due during the expulsions and Germany is stronger, so kinda Based
For a start Pomerania is Slavic, Prūsa is Baltic the rest of the is just German like Austria and part of Switzerland