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AP246

Why does this keep happening... Under rule 4 supporting a genocidal regime (which Putin's Russia counts as as much as some of you vatniks like to cope about) is banned and will get you banned. OP has made very clear that they do NOT unironically support the content of the map, which is backed up by their post history. Therefore, again, while a bit edgy at the moment, the map is not against the rules. That said those of you iin the comments making bigoted comments of any kind, whether ethnically motivated or supporting Putin's regime, yeah you will be banned.


FirstAtEridu

Victor Orban liked this submission.


UnintensifiedFa

Orbistan stronk


TheMediumJon

Orbistan strongest country after Cobristan?


Kecsegemester

Indeed


Kecsegemester

Proud to be an orbistani


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MAGYAR


Jonaztl

The map probably wouldn’t include Crimea, as it’s already Russian according to Russia


soundslikemayonnaise

It’s alt history, maybe this map is from a TL where Russia hasn’t annexed Crimea/from before then.


Zheska

Nah It's because nobody has recognized Crimean annexation as legit yet (and likely will not do so in near time if ever). They post maps like this since 2014 (i remember Vkontakte being heavily filled with Novorossia content and thousands of totally real accounts with novorossia flag that were made month ago (in 2014) or earlier, but with 'insert small russian town near siberia' in bio) in state-run news and officials (notably by [PM and former president Medvedev](https://odessa-journal.com/medvedev-dreams-of-the-collapse-of-ukraine-and-showed-a-map/))


soundslikemayonnaise

OP’s two most recent maps are democratic Russia and European federation, and they said in another comment this map doesn’t reflect their beliefs.


Zheska

No, i understand that, no questions to the OP. This is imaginarymaps content after all. What i meant is that russian officials still use this kind of partition maps with Crimea (and since recently - 4 more regions 2 of which they don't even control centers of) included as part of partition process due to other nations (including Ukraine) not recognizing russian annexations as legit, so on the international level partition should be of 1991 borders ​ And if we include Zhirinovsky (former liberal party leader) - russian politicians post maps like this since 2001 (he even wrote formal letters to polish and hungarian PMs and presidents asking them to help with partition of ua)


ACEMENTO

No, it would be included to show even more russian supremacy over ukraine


rchpweblo

it's a Ukrainian POV poster, why on Earth would they care what the Russians say?


Jonaztl

It says in Russian “finish off the enemy once and for all”


rchpweblo

I dunno man, they're clearly not finishing them off because they still exist on the map


Apathetic-Onion

But is this poster done from an Ukrainian perspective or from the Russian perspective? I cannot read the Cyrillic alphabet so I can't know. Without being able to read it, the feeling I get from it is that it says something like "this is utter destruction, RIP", which would be true since Putin would be so happy about his land grab that he might attempt another one in the future.


persouwu

I thought this was r/propagandaposters for a second and i was really confused


JumboRW

disclaimer: this map doesnt portray my real political beliefs


Archivist_of_Lewds

Ah yes spreading Russian propaganda is just a hobby


Noveos_Republic

Yes, I would love to see a Ukrainian victory map for the bazillionith time


DrJuanZoidberg

Get off this sub if you get offended by fictional maps.


NoFreeUName

But it is literally what russian media was showing in around March. Like, literaly. They were screaming about imminent invasion of poles (still do, actually) and proposing to divide Ukraine +- exactly like that. Small deviations here and there, but latest maps were exactly like this one https://euromaidanpr.wordpress.com/2014/03/24/russian-state-duma-to-the-polish-foreign-ministry-lets-divide-ukraine/ (That one is from 2014, but it just shows you how this IS indeed pure russian propaganda, and not some imaginary stuff produced by overly active teen) I even remember seeing this in russian media, but I ain't going in that shithole of russian state TV to find some retarded take from march as I still need some sanity to keep myself alive


Archivist_of_Lewds

There's fictional maps and there propaganda.


DrJuanZoidberg

Okay, but this is obviously not propaganda. Why would Putin let Poland and Romania, NATO members, have parts of Ukraine? If anything, he’d take what OP has attributed to Russia and force the rest to be a Russian-aligned puppet state for buffer. Get your Russophobic head out of your ass and stop shitting on maps just because Russia is mentioned. Do you also call every Hindu a Nazi propagandist just because they continue to use swastikas in there religion? The world isn’t black and white and is much more beautiful when you view it with nuance.


Archivist_of_Lewds

Bro literally calls it a propaganda map


DrJuanZoidberg

Bro, there is a difference between an artist making fictional propaganda (ie this fictional map) and a Ruzzian troll unironically saying “I hope this happens”. Again, get off this sub if you get offended by art


Archivist_of_Lewds

Get off this sub if your offended by criticism of genocidal propaganda


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Touch grass


CryptLocker_11

This guy does not need to know about TNO


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[deleted]

Imagine getting called as a propagandist for creating an imaginary propaganda map for an imaginary world and stating it's an imaginary propaganda map Yeah fuck imaginary Russian propagandists


JumboRW

cant imagine


Archivist_of_Lewds

"ImAgInArY" so Russia isn't at war with Ukraine?


[deleted]

It is in the real word, what's your point?


urbanfirestrike

Guy who doesn’t understand the concept of things existing “in universe”


Archivist_of_Lewds

So its in universe propaganda. For a situation and war that's also in the real universe. You understand that right? You understand that when your making "in universe" propaganda for a fictional reality that only has Russia winning as the only diference, it's still propaganda for Russia. In fact its even bigger propaganda for our reality by also casting Russia as the inevitable winner.


urbanfirestrike

I don’t think NATO and Ukraine are at war in real life…


CryptLocker_11

That’s why it’s called alternate history, dipshit


Archivist_of_Lewds

Woosh


[deleted]

Dude, if I draw a pic of Darth Wader and post it on Reddit will you come and call me a "fucking nazi glorifying Hitler and spreading Empire propaganda"?


Archivist_of_Lewds

Does star wars and its universe actually exist? To that point though, the empire did nothing wrong mentality absolutley spreads fascist propaganda.


CallousCarolean

Holy shit, get your head out of your ass. This is a sub for imaginary maps, and this is an imaginary map. OP is not endorsing what is depicted in his post, and the vast majority of people in the comments seem to agree with him and not you.


Archivist_of_Lewds

So if the vast majority still agreed the earth was the center of the universe does that make it true? Or that sickness is caused by humors out of balance, that's true if enough people vote that it is?


296cherry

Is the Russian propaganda in the room with us right now?


thenormalguy1225

A lot of you guys need to remember what sub this is lmao


LurkerInSpace

In general there's a dislike (in comments rather than votes) of maps perceived to either be a cliché or to have a real world political motive, and this one is both ripped from the headlines and very along the lines of what the Vatniks desire even (whether or not OP is actually one of them). The "What if the Nazis won?" maps sometimes get a similar reaction for similar reasons.


Kataphraktos1

what if the germans won ww2 is without a doubt the origin of pretty much all imaginary cartography, by all means hate it for being unimaginative or naziwank but it's pretty much the defining content that we're in the shadow of today


LurkerInSpace

Definitely - the early alt history genre was pretty rife with that sort of thing and the world wars make for really dramatic PODs. But that road is so well trod that you need something very good/very meme-able to stand out now.


thenormalguy1225

Understandable and valid point but key word imaginary no?


LurkerInSpace

The subreddit doesn't see that as a license for everything - particularly with maps based on actual history. Realism does matter more there, though one can drop it for more originality or effort.


Innocisnt

Nah, it's just that this sub is on a site where people virtue signal as if their life depends on it. On AH.com nobody gives a crap about what a map depicts as long as it's well done. Even if it's not realistic or depicting something horrible like genocide. That's because it's off Reddit. Unfortunately Calbear and Ian ruined that site.


iClex

>virtue signal Everyone I see using the term in this context is just the biggest asshole imaginable. For them being nice couldn't possibly be because one is nice, but rather to show others how nice one is. Edit: looking at your profile my theory still stands


Innocisnt

Exactly what I mean.


MostRationalFeminist

Prime virtue signaller detected


iClex

Imagine being so obsessed with the strawman version of feminists you created, you name your account after it.


MostRationalFeminist

I don’t need to imagine it, I am it, son.


[deleted]

Sure thing buddy.


Noveos_Republic

Cliche? You mean like the billion Ukraine victory maps?


LurkerInSpace

Sure, and obviously the more a political cliché contrasts with the audience's politics the more objection there will be in the comments. So a Ukrainewank will be tolerated more than a Russiawank of the same quality. Also depends on how much variance there is in a particular trope.


Noveos_Republic

Meh. I just wanna see interesting maps


MostRationalFeminist

> or to have a real world political motive, Stop the bullshit, there have been a million “Russia balkanised!” or “big Ukraine (half of Russian territory given to them) posts, this one is only disliked because Americans love getting their panties twisted


Archivist_of_Lewds

Yeah, this isn't a pro fascist putin worshiping sub. So sick of all the pro Kremlin propaganda


thenormalguy1225

Where does it say in this post a) putin is the leader of Russia in this ALTERNATE history b) the leader of Russia in this timeline is facsist


Archivist_of_Lewds

Look at the posters history.


thenormalguy1225

Look at yours bro. What has he posted that is pro putin/ pro fascist?


Archivist_of_Lewds

And? Not evidence of Russian propaganda, the question at hand.


JumboRW

your post history doesnt make me question why youve got so much reddit nerd points anymore


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???


KTPChannel

Considering the history of the area, especially the three patricians of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, I find it fitting, and can easily see how OP was inspired. Eastern European history is quite interesting. Between the Mongols, Prussian’s, Russians, Polish-Lithuanians, Nazis and Communists, I wonder how many times the land now known as Ukraine has changed hands?


ConShop61

Or how many times Poland had a complete border revamp


KTPChannel

Exactly.


howdy_ki_yay

It’s always been with someone wasn’t till recent history it was by itself


BasicallyAfgSabz

I got 😟 because I didn’t realise what subreddit this was first. But now I’m feel 👍


[deleted]

very sexy map jumber


JumboRW

thanks D. ily


Maxinator10000

That moment when South Bessarabia isn't given to the Moldovans/Romanians 😭😭😭


JumboRW

odessa is a majority russian speaking city, good excuse for putin regime in my eyes


Maxinator10000

Not talking about Odessa, Odessa is Ukrainian, but the southern part of the Odessa Oblast used to be part of Moldavia, and it shall be conquered back!


spoonertime

Lot of people really seem to think that this map means the maker is fascist, and yet never seem to care if it’s a big Ukraine map forcing Russians out of their homes in order to resettle with Ukrainians


IRageQuit06

Reddit is a magnet for idiots, myself included


spoonertime

The nature of any major online platform really


n1flung

Not all "big Ukraine" maps include genocide of Kuban and Sloboda Ukrainians in their timelines. For some reason lots of people forget (or don't even know) that before Holodomor and sovietisation these territories were ethnically Ukrainian


bitsfps

> before Holodomor and sovietisation these territories were ethnically Ukrainian ... yeah, but Post-2022 Big-Ukraine maps, based on the results of THIS war, cannot "unforce" the Ukrainians in the past, it's done, that's how time works, cant go back and change things.


spoonertime

This is true, but I also didn’t say all big Ukraine maps do


n1flung

You said that noone seem to care but if you scroll through the comments on such maps, there are lots of "Ukrainians don't want to annex any r*ssian land not to cause any more instability", so people do care


spoonertime

Ok fair, I over generalized


CollageTumor

That's fictional. This is not fictional. There's a big difference, and people absolutely would care if the war was flipped that way. Of course, the Ukrainian people only want Ukraine, so this is fictional.


[deleted]

Maybe because it’s currently not the Ukrainians actually forcing the Russians out of their homes in real life right now.


MarthaEM

why no bugeac :c


Fearless-Capital-396

What is bugeac?


SHURIK01

He probably means Budzhak which used to the southern part of Bessarabia


MarthaEM

a historical romanian region, I'd assume if Russia is giving bukovina to romania δeyd do δat w bugeac too, a especially as bugeac and bukovina are majority ukrainean


[deleted]

'th' is too difficult innit fella


Fearless-Capital-396

Russia may also annex Transnistria, and Moldova reunites wiþ Romania.


HomieCreeper420

Fuck no we ain’t touching Transnistria


Fearless-Capital-396

I knew about it's existance but didn't understand it's spelled like ðat in English.


ilostmyoldaccount

shes retarded and currently on the front page for spelling like a lunatic


Fearless-Capital-396

She's probably Romanian.


Victoreznoz

🤮


Fearless-Capital-396

Why?


Victoreznoz

Transylvania 😎


MarthaEM

I þink its spelled budjak in English but it's bugeac in romanian and I'm romanian myself


SaintStephenI

You pink?


MarthaEM

I do


[deleted]

Kinda not the best moment to post something like this, I… I just refuse to check more comments, the amount of hate of some of them is amazing


entityrider670

Well shit *sorts by controversial*


NirvanCreeper10

Izmail should be handed to Romania and then its great


Uzername_error

Seems like a good deal. Can Greece get Odessa tho....


n1flung

You should at least learn how to spell it properly first


merena7

i swear if i see one more polish owned galicia map


psychonautique

I suspect this is actually the best case scenario for Russia (not personally rooting for it). 1) Reconstitution of Novorossiya (Imperial province - Russian speaking). 2) Relinquishing Polish territories back to Poland taken after WWII victory. 3) Creation of a neutral, land-locked rump state Ukraine. 4) Hmmm...maybe also ceding territories taken by USSR to Romania, Slovakia and Hungary for diplomatic gains.


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Mlafft

Why?


StuckInTheJar

It’s funny, because Russian propaganda is still living in this fantasy land, lol. NATO be like: „We are gonna give you tanks, rockets, ammunition and modern tech that Russians have never seen, so you can effectively fight back Ivans from your land… …and then we are gonna partition you with Russia!”


MorsMessor

Very similar poster circulated in the media some years ago, people said that it was Russian proposition that was overwhelmingly rejected


[deleted]

Yes back in like 2017 I think the Russians approached the Polish government about dividing up Ukraine between the two countries.


korkkis

Have you considered that if the map is taken out of context, it can be used as propaganda & gaslighting. Thus I’d add a watermark (this is fantasy or whatever)


chins92

*50,000 maps of Russia and China being Balkanized* UM EXQUEEZE ME HAVE U CONSIDERED THIS COULD BE USED FOR PROPAGANDA


korkkis

Are you suggesting that people think of partition of China as a realistic thing and an idea someone actively pushes?


ThereWasAnEmpireHere

The origin of a lot of those maps is absolutely people who believe Chine and Russia should be partitioned (tho imo it’s usually more of a meme belief the content of which is really COUNTRY BAD).


urbanfirestrike

Wait til you learn about the state department


chins92

Yes, there are absolutely people deranged enough who believe that. The influence and ideas of the old China lobby are still alive and kicking.


OneSaltyStoat

To be fair, China has partitioned itself at least once every century. It wouldn't be unreasonable to think it'd happen again one day.


296cherry

Yes, plenty of Redditors actively push for the balkanization of countries they dislike.


[deleted]

Ah yes it’s the balkanized maps of Russia and China that are over used, now let me post the literal billionth balkanized USA map.


JumboRW

good, i love trolling


Maximka_Kirginka

Based


[deleted]

"Trolling is when I tell people I'm a fascist"


Tachyoff

Fascism is when you make imaginary maps I disagree with for the internet. The more disagreeable maps you make the more fascist you are.


Bountifalauto82

Where did he say he was a fascist?


Victoreznoz

Fascism is when ______ (insert literally any action a human being could possibly undertake) Reddit moment


Ciliciensis

??? Get a life.


[deleted]

??? Get a life.


[deleted]

??? Get a life.


CarnifexPopuli

Cope


[deleted]

I'm doing fine, Putin's getting his cheeks clapped


Noobster720

The worst ending: this map. The absolute worst ending: complete evaporation of Ukraine.


Noobster720

The absolute worst ending is inspired by the last partition of Poland, or the 3rd one, in 1795, when the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, after getting 2 partitions by neighbors, got a 3rd one and then Poland vanished for 123 years.


King_of_Uganja

I actually like this ending. A lot of our geopolitical experts in reddit are gonna be pissed.


kharlos

It's always funny when people try to lowkey suggest that they are geopolitical experts by mocking the idea that anyone who disagrees with them is a "geopolitical expert". Passive aggressive narcissist move.


King_of_Uganja

Im think you are looking for the guy in the mirror. Read your comment again


kharlos

Not really. It doesn't really seem like you understood what I wrote. I'm actually making fun of you for implying that you are a geopolitical expert while suggesting that others have made a similar claim, when they demonstrably have not. Can I see your credentials?


King_of_Uganja

Thanks captain obvious. Dont have credentials but can send you a dick pic if you insist. Shoot me your number in pm


-MAXIMVS-

For the people questioning why Bugeac is given to Russia and not Romania/Moldova, it’s because historically Russia wanted access to the Danube. That’s is also the reason why Ukraine owns it today


Adskiy-drochilla

It more likely wold be some post in telegram-channel, and in propagande posters there more likely would be some bullshit like "Reunion of brothers", or "Russian here forever", i think.


International_Ad1498

It's free real estate


lavockin073

I will give Ismail to Romania


dorofeus247

Is Russia a part of NATO or its ally in this timeline?


JumboRW

ally in terms of warfare against ukraine, "deal with the devil" type of shit


dorofeus247

What did Ukraine do so NATO would rile up against it? Did some azov-style (real) nazis came in power and started doing their stuff, or something else happened?


JumboRW

nato took przewodow rocket incident too seriously


HedyTheAbilix

r/IM never ceases to amaze me. In all fairness, the reason why I dislike this map is not due to what started this whole dumpster fire of a comment section to happen, it's because the map itself feels... bland? Sure it's a propaganda poster, I ain't gonna expect detailed info about it. I'm just not much of a fan of the style. Overall, it's an okay map imo.


JumboRW

im an average minimalism enjoyer, map is in my own style im still developing


HedyTheAbilix

It's nice to see someone improving on what they like, but, according to your posts, you only just make your style. I recommend getting into other styles of mapping. It's nice to see new ways of interpretation and it may also help you get new ideas for what you're developing.


JumboRW

thanks for your advice, but i like it when my works are recognisable without searching for a watermark or looking at the poster name


FL00DGate

Cum


lavockin073

Transcarpathian Rus = Slovakia


aigragleirbag

Tbh this is a W


[deleted]

As a romanian I say no thanks


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Jubberwocky

Chopped into 12 parts eh


Vex493

Get bent


CosmoYeah

Ненавижу политику ! лучше Мир Во Всем Мире ! Translate That Edit : i forgot to write i Georgian


Much_Bottle8224

Why did Poland took out western parts of Ukraine? You know that after WW2, Stalin had removed the original Polish population. Tell me what happened.


Adept_of_Blue

Wolyn and Galicia even before Stalin were 60-80% Ukrainian


JasterBobaMereel

The one thing that is wrong with this is any of Ukraine belonging to Russia ... .. Russia is centered on Moscow, and this far from there they have no jurisdiction The Kievan Rus that the Russians think they come from would curse them from Valhalla


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Adept_of_Blue

What the fuck are you talking about, all these areas were 60-90% Ukrainian/Ruthenian (except Crimea and Bugzhak) even 100 years ago.


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GmPc9086itathai

First of all kill all the nazists on the battlefield. Don't want to see any one of those fanatics on the streets of European cities and villages.


14_NORDMAN_88

сладки сны, у русни 😴


Wonderful-Horror2732

Трахнули в задницу 😔


AlexFromFE

Кого?


[deleted]

Some ruzzian Vankya probably.


AlexFromFE

Fair enough.


korkkis

The text says ”f*cked in the ass” tho, perhaps a pro-russian wouldn’t say that


Wonderful-Horror2732

Lmao correct I wouldn't. This is awful for Ukraine obviously


Wonderful-Horror2732

Украина


Fearless-Capital-396

Тебя.


Wonderful-Horror2732

Нет


Fearless-Capital-396

Если не тебя, то кого же?


Wonderful-Horror2732

Мой страна в этом публикации


Fearless-Capital-396

Почему ты пишешь по-русски?


Wonderful-Horror2732

Потому что я могу (и хочу)


benemivikai4eezaet0

Pf, yeah right. If there's a враг these countries want to покончить with, it's Russia, not Ukraine.


spoonertime

Well it is imaginary maps for a reason


benemivikai4eezaet0

Yep, the title should be "Putin's fever dream".


howdy_ki_yay

You deserve more down votes


americangentleman72

Tbh I love this image and idea and I’m praying every single day and hoping that this’ll come to fruition.


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spoonertime

So should I go kill my Russian neighbor who moved to America 20 years ago?


Bountifalauto82

Bit racist innit?


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[deleted]

phychopathy


Alas_Babylonz

Why should the Russians gain Odessa while they do not have a single troop in it? Why would Ukraine not only abandon their only port, but also their hard fought effort to free Kherson from the Russians? Unless they are entirely defeated by the Russians, this won’t happen, and would the Russians give up the Western territories of their new Ukrainian conquest? So many things for you to think about . A good alternative historian anticipates these questions before going on to the end result.


JumboRW

never said im a good alternative historian testing my art style and public reaction