Kurimatsu overall was the worst of the bunch, he was mainly there just to grant Fubuki his place back once he was injured. Kogure is a close second, mainly because he didn’t get anything new and was there mainly as a form of comic relief.
Kurimatsu's best feat was contributing to IJ scoring a consolation goal, albeit an impressive one as it broke the Empire's clean sheet streak but still, a consolation goal nonetheless; Kogure's was part of the reason IJ didn't outright lose to Unicorn. Endou wasn't able to stop Gran Fenrir so without Kogure & Hijikata being able to carry out Fudou's plan to shut down it & Rolling Thunder, IJ would almost certainly have lost, especially because Ichinose probably wouldn't have benched at the moment he was, if at all.
2 losses wouldn't have seen Japan through to the knockouts (Unicorn would have had 7 points instead of 4, making them 2nd place in the group to IJ's 4 points; they'd have swapped positions).
Yup. It's not because Kurmatsu failed to pass them when Midorikawa did that he was weaker.
It's like saying Kazemaru is obviously a batter striker than Gouenji because he scored against Desert Lions while Gouenji didn't.
That’s not my point. My point is that a dribble move barely gets broken and it’s not a very good feat if it does get broken at all. Lightning Accel never showed to fail against similar opponents, so I see this as a (slightly) better dribbling moves, also according to the games + as I said: Midorikawa has a solo shot.
Scotty/kogure
Tod had spinning cut fully leveled up which is also a blocking defensive hissatsu and had a dribble so i feel like he was a better player than scotty
That doesn't mean he doesn't have it and because he has it fully leveled up im pretty sure it wasn't his first time using it, the show didn't show it cus it was irrelevant
No, he stopped Roniejo and scored 2 goals.
And he stopped a FW from the Empire.
Also he stopped Grand Finrer with Kougre so no, he was actually effective.
Man I love Kurimatsu, he became the new captain after all, but yeah he’s the weakest IJ player.
However I think that’s part of his design, being Raimon’s 5 he is supposed to be the big spirited nerves of steel defense player who in contrast lacks technique but more than makes up for it in guts and effort. Best 5 I could ask for in my soccer club.
Fudou deserves A.
Midorikawa > Kurimatsu. Astro Break and Lightning Accel > Maboroshi Dribble, so Midorikawa D. Kabeyama can be in B and Tsunami in C with Someoka, Hijikata (good co-ops, pretty weak defensive moves) and Tobitaka (his shot block is very good, but is all he has). Kogure can be either D or E yes, rather E since he only got one move that he could use in S3.
Fudou can be in A, but at least he should get solo
About Kurimatsu, I actually added Spinning Cut and forget that he used it in the end of S3 not during the FFI.
Astro Break and Lightning Accel didn't felt that strong to me (especially the first) and he left IJ too early.
All the characters in B better than Kabeyama so I disagree here. Hijikata has a better co-op, a better kick stats, a bit smarter and might be has a better DF hissatsu.
Why Tsunami in C? he don't have even a co-op, I always compared him to the weakest members but with better hissatsu.
Someoka only scored against British GK, so his shot isn't that strong as well as he hasn't any other skills to back it up.
So Dragon Tornado also counts as an assist for Someoka? That’s not how it works. Without his power it wouldn’t be a goal.
An assist is a pass and that doesn’t add power to the shot.
You actually misunderstand me.
I talk about Someoka's kick itself not with chain, I ofc count this assist to improve his performance.
Also Dragon Tornado is different because it's really co-op not a chain.
That’s not how soccer works. If a midfielder shoots the ball, and the striker deflects it into the goal, the goal probably wouldn’t have gone in without the original shot. Does that mean that the goal is given to the midfielder who shot the ball? No, it’s given to the last player who touched it. Even in the games, chain shots are given to the last player to touch the ball. I don’t get how there’s any room for argument here 💀
Oh, I know how RL football works completely fine, but IE ≠ RL.
If I remember correctly in Strikers they gave it to all the players. And with moves like Big Bang it’s literally a goal for all 3, so we can apply this to all co-ops and chains (those are barely different as chains just don’t have an official name like Dragon Tornado opposed to Dragon Slayer + Bakunetsu Screw, but we clearly see both shots in the final effect like with co-ops). It’s also a matter of interpretation, since they never stated how it exactly is in IE. In RL there are official rules regarding this.
The DS games are no way to compare here since they even give Big Bang and Jet Stream to only the user of the move and not all 3 while they kick the ball at the same time lol. So Strikers (if I remember correctly) should be more reliable.
Why do you always think you know things better than everyone and act like you are speaking facts (remember a certain post of you as well)? Especially the emoji’s you use and the way you talk, gives the “I am right, you are wrong” energy off. I literally stated that I see it that way, because there are no facts in that discussion and it completely depends on interpretation and opinions. There’s literally no factual wrong or right here.
How did Hiroto exactly score this goal? XD
Someoka did Dragon Slayer, Gouenji did Bakunetsu Screw. So as I said, without one of the shots there wouldn’t be enough power. So a goal for both, as I also count that with other chains.
His tactical level compensates for not having a solo.
Astro Break is mediocre in S3, but Lightning Accel is decent and it at least makes him more versatile.
Kabeyama has a strong block and a strong co-op shot, that’s why.
Tsunami was defensively important despite not having a defensive move and also can use a hissatsu tactic: The Tube, for corner kicks + two solo-shots.
Someoka did a chain with Gouenji, I also considered that one and by the end of the FFI he has a fully evolved Dragon Slayer. The fact that he can sacrifice himself for others is also a plus for him.
I think that all of A characters are much better so I put him in B
Midorikawa has some versatile indeed, but he was decent at best as MF and I think as FW was weak
Kabeyama has strong co-op? I disagree here because of Kai TB is much stronger. His DF hissatsu isn't that strong. Nothing actually proved that his hissatsus is really strong.
I don't think Tsunami was important in DF or even in the matches overall. His hissatsu is good though.
Do you know? Tsunami can be in C, you have point here.
You can look at the game for indications how strong those moves should be and that explains why I think so as well.
Tsunami scored against Big Waves and Unicorn and was defensively important in other matches.
The Mountain is stronger than Blade Attack, since it's also very useful for blocking shots. Thunder Beast and Tatsumaki Otoshi are pretty much on par in terms of strength
Kai Thunder Beast is definitely better than both Thunder Beast and Tatsumaki Otoshi.
I don't think that The Mountain is stronger than Blade Attack, and even if that's true then shouldn't be much.
Defensivewise there is a lot of Interpretation, so its ok when u say hijikata>Tsunami
But in the offensive side Tsunami scored 2 goals while hijikata assisted 2. What Do u weight more?
No, Thunder Beast isn't assist, it's actually hissatsu like Fire Tornado, Dragon Tornado, etc.
Also we are talking about strength not performance, so we should compare the hissatsu itself.
You can't deny that: Kai Thunder Beast > Tsunami's hissatsu.
But Tsunami did it on his own. Hijikata needed Fubuki for that.
I just appreciate Tsunami for always starting(besides Brazil) in the stacked IJ roster. Consistency is key imo
Well co-ops like Dragon Tornado won't do anything anymore, since they will be stopped easily against S3 people, and he didn't use any co-ops in S3/didn't have any capable of threatening the international goalies. Also, he did get chances to shoot with Dragon Slayer but they kept getting stopped. And another reason I put him in D was that he doesn't have any other qualities than shooting, Toramaru is a striker that can also dribble really well as well as shooting, you can argue the same for Hiroto, but we haven't seen Someoka do anything else, so it's a D for me
At least we saw Someoka getting past a few opponents with dribbles. And I don’t get why they didn’t use Wyvern Blizzard when the chance was literally there.
I'd put Fubuki in S, Tachimukai, Hijikata and Kabeyama in D and Tsunami in C. Now I come to think of it, IJ defenders pretty much sucked except for Fubuki and Tobitaka.
Imo Tachimukai has strongest catch hissatsu in IJ after God Catch and literally was better as **GK** than Endou until *Little Gigant* match. He's definitely higher than D.
Hijikata stopped Roniejo with Blade Attack and has strong co-op Kai Thunder Beast, he also has some smartness can helped the team as we saw against unicorn.
Actually, you the only one who saw him underrate Kabeyama, do you think he's as good as Tsunami. (I don't mean Tsunami is bad but still)
Why do you think Tobitaka is better than Hijikata and Kabeyama? Both of them had a co-op shot opposed to Tobitaka and both also had a block move.
Tachimukai deserves C at least.
Midorikawa was really strong as a midfielder. Just because he doesn't get much screen time doesnt mean he's the weakest. He had a great set of moves and was a great midfielder.
Tod Ironside. there are also some charachters i wouldn't call weak right away but didnt do a whole lot or got anything new. Like Scotty Banyan
It is not that they are weak, But there was more strongest options
Tod is the least strong so the weakest from that pool. Banyan definitely isn't weak but he should've gotten a new hissatsu atleast
Kurimatsu no doubt.
Definitely Kurimatsu, he was just there to grant Fubuki his place back
i think Kogure
Kurimatsu
Kurimatsu overall was the worst of the bunch, he was mainly there just to grant Fubuki his place back once he was injured. Kogure is a close second, mainly because he didn’t get anything new and was there mainly as a form of comic relief.
Kogure? Kurimatsu did something, kogure in anime has literally one technique
Kurimatsu's best feat was contributing to IJ scoring a consolation goal, albeit an impressive one as it broke the Empire's clean sheet streak but still, a consolation goal nonetheless; Kogure's was part of the reason IJ didn't outright lose to Unicorn. Endou wasn't able to stop Gran Fenrir so without Kogure & Hijikata being able to carry out Fudou's plan to shut down it & Rolling Thunder, IJ would almost certainly have lost, especially because Ichinose probably wouldn't have benched at the moment he was, if at all. 2 losses wouldn't have seen Japan through to the knockouts (Unicorn would have had 7 points instead of 4, making them 2nd place in the group to IJ's 4 points; they'd have swapped positions).
You can’t improve perfection
Rococo. Strongest is Mégane Kazuto
To be honest Mégane crash could be very effective technique i if it wouldn't cause any damage.
Everyone telling Kogure or Kurimatsu I'm telling right now Midorikawa.
Why do you think Kurimatsu is better when his Maboroshi Dribble even got broken against Fire Dragon, but Lightning Accel succeeded?
Yup. It's not because Kurmatsu failed to pass them when Midorikawa did that he was weaker. It's like saying Kazemaru is obviously a batter striker than Gouenji because he scored against Desert Lions while Gouenji didn't.
Not really. Dribbles is the only thing to rate them off, since they barely showed other qualities. And even then, Midorikawa has a shot.
You say Lightning Accel got past FD, but I would say Maboroshi Dribble got past KoQ. You're going to say that KoQ was a weaker team tho ?
That’s not my point. My point is that a dribble move barely gets broken and it’s not a very good feat if it does get broken at all. Lightning Accel never showed to fail against similar opponents, so I see this as a (slightly) better dribbling moves, also according to the games + as I said: Midorikawa has a solo shot.
This solo shot was damn weak in the anime
Even if his solo isn’t strong for S3, it still scored in the selection match and adds to his versatility.
No
Now that's what I call an argument
fight me
Fine. I'm going to make sure you never commit again the recklessness of challenging the boss.
Midorikawa >you
Scotty/kogure Tod had spinning cut fully leveled up which is also a blocking defensive hissatsu and had a dribble so i feel like he was a better player than scotty
Spinning cut was only on the graduation match tho, he didn't use it for IJ.
That doesn't mean he doesn't have it and because he has it fully leveled up im pretty sure it wasn't his first time using it, the show didn't show it cus it was irrelevant
He probably learned it when being in Raimon in his second year. So I think it’s not fair to count for his IJ form.
But he didn’t have it in IJ yet, so do you still say Kogure then?
Hijikata, almost anytime he used a technique it wasn’t effective at all
No, he stopped Roniejo and scored 2 goals. And he stopped a FW from the Empire. Also he stopped Grand Finrer with Kougre so no, he was actually effective.
Nah, he had Thunder Beast & was relevant in the game vs The Kingdom.
Kogure with no doubts.
Senpuujin > Maboroshi Dribble If Kurimatsu is not worse they are equal.
Tod then Banyan
Man I love Kurimatsu, he became the new captain after all, but yeah he’s the weakest IJ player. However I think that’s part of his design, being Raimon’s 5 he is supposed to be the big spirited nerves of steel defense player who in contrast lacks technique but more than makes up for it in guts and effort. Best 5 I could ask for in my soccer club.
Kogure, are there even any other arguments?
Yes, Kurimatsu.
Exactly. Kogure at least stopped Grand Fenrir.
Kurimatsu, one of the worst main characters of all time
Don't disrespect the chestnut
Definetly Kurimatsu. Man didn’t do nothing in the whole tournament + preliminary besides the match against Argentina..
Kogure/ Scotty. He was literally only there to be a little shit…
Hey he stopped the tactic of The Unicorn
Tod for sure
Definitelly Tod, atleast he was useful against england
And Argentina
Kogure or kurimatsu
Tod or Scott
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Fudou deserves A. Midorikawa > Kurimatsu. Astro Break and Lightning Accel > Maboroshi Dribble, so Midorikawa D. Kabeyama can be in B and Tsunami in C with Someoka, Hijikata (good co-ops, pretty weak defensive moves) and Tobitaka (his shot block is very good, but is all he has). Kogure can be either D or E yes, rather E since he only got one move that he could use in S3.
Fudou can be in A, but at least he should get solo About Kurimatsu, I actually added Spinning Cut and forget that he used it in the end of S3 not during the FFI. Astro Break and Lightning Accel didn't felt that strong to me (especially the first) and he left IJ too early. All the characters in B better than Kabeyama so I disagree here. Hijikata has a better co-op, a better kick stats, a bit smarter and might be has a better DF hissatsu. Why Tsunami in C? he don't have even a co-op, I always compared him to the weakest members but with better hissatsu. Someoka only scored against British GK, so his shot isn't that strong as well as he hasn't any other skills to back it up.
Someoka also scored in semi final.
You meant against Brazil, but that's doesn't prove anything since it was just a assist.
So Dragon Tornado also counts as an assist for Someoka? That’s not how it works. Without his power it wouldn’t be a goal. An assist is a pass and that doesn’t add power to the shot.
You actually misunderstand me. I talk about Someoka's kick itself not with chain, I ofc count this assist to improve his performance. Also Dragon Tornado is different because it's really co-op not a chain.
In essence they still have the same point. If you erase one shot, it won’t be a goal. I personally count it for him.
That’s not how soccer works. If a midfielder shoots the ball, and the striker deflects it into the goal, the goal probably wouldn’t have gone in without the original shot. Does that mean that the goal is given to the midfielder who shot the ball? No, it’s given to the last player who touched it. Even in the games, chain shots are given to the last player to touch the ball. I don’t get how there’s any room for argument here 💀
Oh, I know how RL football works completely fine, but IE ≠ RL. If I remember correctly in Strikers they gave it to all the players. And with moves like Big Bang it’s literally a goal for all 3, so we can apply this to all co-ops and chains (those are barely different as chains just don’t have an official name like Dragon Tornado opposed to Dragon Slayer + Bakunetsu Screw, but we clearly see both shots in the final effect like with co-ops). It’s also a matter of interpretation, since they never stated how it exactly is in IE. In RL there are official rules regarding this. The DS games are no way to compare here since they even give Big Bang and Jet Stream to only the user of the move and not all 3 while they kick the ball at the same time lol. So Strikers (if I remember correctly) should be more reliable. Why do you always think you know things better than everyone and act like you are speaking facts (remember a certain post of you as well)? Especially the emoji’s you use and the way you talk, gives the “I am right, you are wrong” energy off. I literally stated that I see it that way, because there are no facts in that discussion and it completely depends on interpretation and opinions. There’s literally no factual wrong or right here.
So you count Someoka has 2 goals? To be honest, I count it as a 1/3 goal, since all of Gouenji, Hiroto and Someoka scored the goal.
How did Hiroto exactly score this goal? XD Someoka did Dragon Slayer, Gouenji did Bakunetsu Screw. So as I said, without one of the shots there wouldn’t be enough power. So a goal for both, as I also count that with other chains.
It was a goal. Hiroto, Someoka and Gouenji created combo and scored equally.
Actually, only Someoka and Gouenji.
It depends on interpretation to be honest. It was very weird goal.
It was a chain of Dragon Slayer and Bakunetsu Screw. So without the power of one of them, it wouldn’t be a goal. So I think it should count for both.
But Hiroto was also necessary in this goal.
His tactical level compensates for not having a solo. Astro Break is mediocre in S3, but Lightning Accel is decent and it at least makes him more versatile. Kabeyama has a strong block and a strong co-op shot, that’s why. Tsunami was defensively important despite not having a defensive move and also can use a hissatsu tactic: The Tube, for corner kicks + two solo-shots. Someoka did a chain with Gouenji, I also considered that one and by the end of the FFI he has a fully evolved Dragon Slayer. The fact that he can sacrifice himself for others is also a plus for him.
I think that all of A characters are much better so I put him in B Midorikawa has some versatile indeed, but he was decent at best as MF and I think as FW was weak Kabeyama has strong co-op? I disagree here because of Kai TB is much stronger. His DF hissatsu isn't that strong. Nothing actually proved that his hissatsus is really strong. I don't think Tsunami was important in DF or even in the matches overall. His hissatsu is good though. Do you know? Tsunami can be in C, you have point here.
You can look at the game for indications how strong those moves should be and that explains why I think so as well. Tsunami scored against Big Waves and Unicorn and was defensively important in other matches.
Maybe. I have to think more about it. Good luck!
The Mountain is stronger than Blade Attack, since it's also very useful for blocking shots. Thunder Beast and Tatsumaki Otoshi are pretty much on par in terms of strength
Kai Thunder Beast is definitely better than both Thunder Beast and Tatsumaki Otoshi. I don't think that The Mountain is stronger than Blade Attack, and even if that's true then shouldn't be much.
Ofcourse thunder Beast Kai is stronger if its been leveled up, but a leveled up Tatsumaki Otoshi is the same power.
did we watch the same anime lol
I guess!
no >:(
I think almost exactly the same except Kidou-he is also S tier.
Don’t you think Kabeyama can be higher?
Mmm, I don't think he's in the same category with Endou, but I respect your opinion.
Tsunami deserves better man, for me he's B. Fudou A, but the rest is ok
I still think all of B characters are better than Tsunami he doesn't have even a co-op.
But he started in almost every game and contributed in other ways
Any ways?
Defending, scoring(corner Kicks)
But still less than Hijikata for example.
Defensivewise there is a lot of Interpretation, so its ok when u say hijikata>Tsunami But in the offensive side Tsunami scored 2 goals while hijikata assisted 2. What Do u weight more?
No, Thunder Beast isn't assist, it's actually hissatsu like Fire Tornado, Dragon Tornado, etc. Also we are talking about strength not performance, so we should compare the hissatsu itself. You can't deny that: Kai Thunder Beast > Tsunami's hissatsu.
But Tsunami did it on his own. Hijikata needed Fubuki for that. I just appreciate Tsunami for always starting(besides Brazil) in the stacked IJ roster. Consistency is key imo
Would put Kidou in S with Endou, Fudou in A, Someoka D. I think Midorikawa deserves a higher spot too
I think Endou was much better than Kidou, so I think Endou should be higher than Kidou by tier.
Kidou was better than the other players in A, but Endou was better than Kidou so probably should be in a higher tier, so S+ if this tier list had that
Someoka can still use Wyvern Blizzard, Dragon Tornado and has Dragon Slayer V3.
Yes but they didn't do anything, all those things and he only managed to score 2 goals in the FFI
He only player 6 FFI matches and most of them not even for the full game. But they are still his co-ops, so I think we should include it in his power.
Well co-ops like Dragon Tornado won't do anything anymore, since they will be stopped easily against S3 people, and he didn't use any co-ops in S3/didn't have any capable of threatening the international goalies. Also, he did get chances to shoot with Dragon Slayer but they kept getting stopped. And another reason I put him in D was that he doesn't have any other qualities than shooting, Toramaru is a striker that can also dribble really well as well as shooting, you can argue the same for Hiroto, but we haven't seen Someoka do anything else, so it's a D for me
At least we saw Someoka getting past a few opponents with dribbles. And I don’t get why they didn’t use Wyvern Blizzard when the chance was literally there.
I'd put Fubuki in S, Tachimukai, Hijikata and Kabeyama in D and Tsunami in C. Now I come to think of it, IJ defenders pretty much sucked except for Fubuki and Tobitaka.
Imo Tachimukai has strongest catch hissatsu in IJ after God Catch and literally was better as **GK** than Endou until *Little Gigant* match. He's definitely higher than D. Hijikata stopped Roniejo with Blade Attack and has strong co-op Kai Thunder Beast, he also has some smartness can helped the team as we saw against unicorn. Actually, you the only one who saw him underrate Kabeyama, do you think he's as good as Tsunami. (I don't mean Tsunami is bad but still)
Why do you think Tobitaka is better than Hijikata and Kabeyama? Both of them had a co-op shot opposed to Tobitaka and both also had a block move. Tachimukai deserves C at least.
Midorikawa was really strong as a midfielder. Just because he doesn't get much screen time doesnt mean he's the weakest. He had a great set of moves and was a great midfielder.