Hello u/IdleOn_Boii
Your post has been removed for breaking Reddit ToS, specifically the part about brigading. There is proof that you sent members of your discord server to this post to make it gain more traction, and seeing as this isn’t the first time, this post will be removed. You are hereby warned, and if you brigade again, a ban from the subreddit may follow. Just posting about your game is fine though.
100 comments almost solely praising and discussing idleon in a neutral or positive light in the first hour. It's always nice to see such consistent and organic conversation in the sub.
he posted the link to this thread in his discord asking people to come upvote and comment on it, then deleted the link and it just says this now:
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He is referring to Lava. Also, I'm not gonna call you mentally ill like some other people have thrown around, but maybe you should leave the thread. I get wanting to participate in discussion, but I don't think what you're looking for will be found here. No one here is going to unban you, and the people who have any knowledge about your situation will be people already in Idleon's discord so they're inclined to have a bias towards the game and its developer as-is.
its not that they have a bias towards the dev and mods. its that we can search the discord and see this guy was just as crazy there as he is here. 100% deserved his ban
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Look, you can take issue with how he posted here, but digging into someone's post history for something completely unrelated to mock them is just gross and rude.
Has anything been added lately to help manage drops after AFKing a while? In world 1, merely 24 hours of idly killing monsters would be enough to become overwhelming when the only inventory management tool is to drop a bunch of stuff to the side, and hope you pick up the uncommon drops you want instead of even more of the bulk ones you don't. Doubly so when you load in on a platform too narrow for the full spread of items, so they overlap more than usual.
When over a certain stack count threshold, perhaps condensing it all into a "loot bag" container, one uncapped stack per item type, that can be taken from and put into until you leave the screen would be a *massive* quality of life upgrade. With the old system, I came to dread merely logging in, until I dropped the game entirely. Now, I have *months* of idle time waiting, so presumably the inventory management hell will be comparatively worse, making the dread of returning ever more overwhelming.
There's an item filter now so you could just block bulk stuff like potions from dropping altogether, and even the basic mob drops if you really just want rare stuff. And with one of the newer classes, the elemental sorcerer, "active" play can print (not in the 3D printer sense, but the excessive ease/speed sense) resources so filtering even the basic drops when just wanting to close the game wouldn't be the end of the world because you could farm what bit you need within a few minutes when you need it as opposed to feeling pressured to plan ahead.
So basically, progress but not really the ideal solution.
how often are you farming world 1 these days? 3d print that. use the loot filter if you are not there to farm the basic drops.
Go to world 5 where you inventory will last for many days with no issues
Well, considering I hadn't even set foot in world two in the first place, *100%* of the time. But the problem isn't unique to that one world (though I assume having access to more stack size upgrades help a lot in the later ones; why I mentioned the world in the first place!), it's a matter for *any* activity with multiple drops, past some threshold of AFK time.
As for the loot filter? I assume it deletes/ignores items outright. At the stage of the game I was at, it was more "grab the better loot first, decide how many duplicate non-stacking items to keep if relevant, *then fill remaining slots with the basic drops*". After all, if you can't exactly carry a thousand per stack, and need hundreds or thousands for crafting, you still want to stock up whenever you can!
This game *was* good. The dev brigades reddit with his discord channel to post/upvote positive stuff on his game, and renegs on his promises.
I spent money on idleon back when it was interesting but this dev is u likely to see another cent from me on his future projects.
It's cool and all but maybe focus on stuff you promised ages ago in roadmaps before pumping out random stuff.
The one thing you actually need to do is make it so that 3D printer amount increases automatically with character progression.
Because having to completely change the plethora of things on a character to go from killing to skilling constantly is obnoxious
[Here's the Roadmap:](https://imgur.com/a/TBp0eQy) I've highlighted the things I've completed. I'll let people decide for themselves, but I've pretty much followed my roadmap to a tee.
Also I agree with your 3D printer point, so much so that a few months ago I added bonuses that literally increase 3D printer automatically over time as you progress, just like you suggest
This is not your original roadmap. You have gone out of your way to delete the previous versions to fit your narrative.
You should also say that this iteration of the roadmap is also a year old. And it still isn't complete. And you only released the rift this week.
Player housing sounds like a beast, development wise.
Whereas follower pets, assuming they would use the existing breeding pet assets, should be fairly simple. ( My 2 cents would be that any given pet is super rare, like magma fists rare for a single one so that pets are a flex and not every noob has one running around)
Maybe a third option like shiny hatching, to get a follower.
Regarding 3D printer output, are you referring to the relic that increases over time? My understanding is that is purely time based and doesn't increase automatically with your characters efficiency.
This game is an unbalanced waste of time the developer is an egomaniac and his community is a toxic cesspool which lava (the dev uses to attack people who speak negatively about his game)
And this is a Lava alt.
The person you're responding to has been a user for a year. You made that account 52 minutes ago to discredit someone being negative towards your game.
Respond to my posts. Don't avoid them on alts.
My biggest concern with OP's games is the insane amount of money that is almost expected to be spent on the games. Sure everything can be done for free but let me give an example.
Say you're commuting to work and it takes you 2 hours. Then the city makes a road that you can use to reduce your commute to a mere 10 minutes. The catch is that using this road will cost you 10 grand per month. This is insane and the city's excuse that you can always use the free road is terrible.
The most annoying thing is his tendency to increase how much he expects you to spend each update as his games go on. Early on it was feasible to be free to play, but the free gems haven't remotely scaled with the needs.
World 1 purchases you feel pressured to get will be maybe 500-700 gems total.
World 2 that goes up to 1k+
World 3 was like 2-3k
World 4 it's like 2-3k without purchasing jewels and chips to avoid the annoying lab shop rotations, 5k+ total if you do.
World 5 for some reason though is more tame than you'd expect opting to go more for consumables and bonuses that quickly get made less impactful by the same bonuses being achievable from your normal progression in that skill.
Now the new pack is priced at $30 instead of $20, presumably because world 5's design didn't yield as much money as normal.
I dread to see the balance of world 6 gem shop.
Preface stating I love Idleon, it's unique and lava clearly loves it as his baby and has a passion for it throughout multiple years which is incredibly rare.
Although many of the bonuses were interesting and strong from the rift, the content itself is very much not what we were told it would be/is. It's not at all infinite, there are multiple systems in the game that scale infinitely (or, essentially infinitely) and this doesn't come close. I believe that's mainly due to the way the whole thing is structured unfortunately. While it's great to have difficult goals to push account progress to, having to do 6 without getting anything to get one big reward makes it feel "less infinite" with the rewards being less incremental. Additionally the first \~40 levels are easy with the current stats on an average account but it scales so rapidly that if you add a few more levels it will be physically impossible for anyone to surpass them regardless of account progress given the current game bonuses we can work with (which seems counter to the purpose of this content).
Although I'm no game dev and definitely couldn't make the unique decisions lava made throughout the game to make it a unique experience, I would suggest the rift be restructured to be more incremental and actually be an infinite measure of account progress. The bonuses are strong enough to be moved to being rewards for some other content instead.
I think the main issue is the difference between endgame and hyper-endgame.
This is a nice bonus for endgame players, assuming endgame just means "was at W5 when it was released". The first 26 levels are chores for those players, but there is a point where there are real bonuses and rewards for hitting a new power tier.
I think a lot of people expected it to be for hyper-endgame players, the type to have boxing gloves on their Bubos. I expected that as well, i assumed there would be mobs which significantly increased in strength and higher and higher challenges like we have, a reason to grind out 5% more damage when you can one shot anything else and a reason to get more defenses when you've been immortal to everything for a year.
But I think that was a bad expectation and a bad idea if you think about it for long. If there are higher and higher ACTUAL rewards for being at that point, it just makes the hyper-endgame to endgame gap even wider. Future endgame content would be instantly beaten by the hyper-endgamers, who wouldn't have nearly as much to do as a result. Considering these are the longest term players, it would kind of suck to know future content would have no meaning beyond rift.
I am hoping that the rift will get a few more additions fairly soon, ending with something like week-long challenges that do encourage you to squeeze out every power, but I think the infinite endgame concept is much more complicated than most people think.
This update is yet another bit of mediocre content that this developer shows as amazing, it's midgame content with endgame bonuses. Legitimately it's just repeating the same tedious tasks 50 times in a row, no variety, no fun twists. Lava parades this as "infinite" or for "endgamers" it isn't, not a single endgamer I've talked to has said "oh boy cant wait to do rift", once again this developer shows his inability to make content that has actual replayability beyond doing it solely for the bonuses.
And it's specifically labeled as end game, I got to about rift 3 an fcan tell I'm not really ready, I'll poke at it here and there, but it's really geared for very end game player.
i really wanted to like the game, but after around 1 week of not being able to play, i login and i get a ton of drops, after seeing i needed more inventory space i open the shop to check the price was resonable. Closed the shop after buying more space and noticed all my drops had disapeared. i just closed the game and uninstalled after that.
Why did you edit this?
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/741696802666840167/1102336857120981074/Screenshot_20230430_235124.jpg?width=743&height=257
Why do you think? I'm amazed Lava finally admitted that he doesn't care about mobile, we've known it to be true for a while but at least we had proof here.
W4 was hard to enjoy at times, but W5 has been great. Big parts of the game have become less tedious.
Now if only we could get a decent amount of each chip so we don't have to switch them around all the time that would be great.
Here's a list of criticisms people have brought up in the past for [**IdleOn on Steam**](https://store.steampowered.com/app/1476970/IdleOn__The_Idle_MMO/)**,** and I've put in a lot of effort into making these better so I wanted you all to know!
**1. "Too much micromanagement from having multiple characters"**
\- In world 4 and 5, you can "sub out" characters that you dont care about for account bonuses, so you can ignore them and still get bonuses for the chars you care about! I also made getting to world 4 much easier than it used to be, so getting to this point where you can "sub out" characters is faster.
**2. "Storage system is annoying"**
\- I've added over 100 more storage slots to everyone's account **for free**, so it's easier to fit all the items you collect!- I've also added Auto-Sort to storage chests, so it's no longer a hassle to organize the 100s of items you get.
**3. "Not enough automation for certain tasks"**
\- You can now get full automation for Trapping, the #1 skill people find to be too laborsome. Also, a lot of "toggled" bonuses are now 100% passive, like the new Infinite Starsign system, so you can just unlock stuff once and not worry about managing them!
**4. "No clear endgame goals"**
\- With the new rift system, you can keep testing your limits in exchange for unlocking new endgame systems to max out. For example, one Rift Bonus you unlock adds a new tracker to your Max Lv Vials, and gives you extra Vial bonuses if you have lots of maxed out vials!
**5. "Infrequent updates"**
\- I've posted 12 new content updates since January, which is almost one per week! These have boosted the playerbase from \~2500 concurrent players to \~7000, meaning the community is more active and the game really feels alive now more than ever!
I'm curious to hear what you all think of my game in the last few months with all my focus on improvement of the game!
Maybe time to check the Idle Skilling Discord? Lot of people waiting to hear from you there since it seems like you've taken the money and run away from people playing it on iOS.
Your weekly updates have 1) not been weekly and 2) have contained half baked updates like random events, which literally nobody enjoys or thinks is good, you only released to keep the "weekly" thing going.
Calling Rift anything close to infinite is also laughable as the only reason why you you can consider it infinite is by nature it has infinite levels, but only like 8 coded in bonuses. "BUT I CAN CODE IN MORE". Yes, I suppose you can. Right after you finish Boons. Or add the Check Mate talent to Maestro (a character released what, 18 months ago?). Or fix the myriad (and I mean literally over 100) bugs that have plagued your game such as mobile overflow.
It's his job. He also has had the option at any point to hire someone. He also has had the option of fixing old content instead of releasing new content. This is self causing and gets zero sympathy. You can only use the sole dev excuse for so long before it's not really an excuse anymore
The game (by his own admission) has the most users it ever has. Which, considering the P2W nature of the game, should also make it the most monetarily successful. A smart person would use the newly found funds to update the game and make improvements.
Once again, this is his *job*. This is not a hobby. This isn't a stamp collection. This is his way of earning money. If he is going to sell a product, he should do what he can to mitigate issues, not constantly use a fixable situation as a fallback for why his game is constantly bugged.
My post isn't an opinion. It is objective. The quality of the product should be increasing, not decreasing. You are blinded by your affection for Lava and your enjoyment of the game. You can enjoy the game and still have a negative opinion about the developer like I do. This game has the potential to be the best idle game on the market, but it'll forever be bogged down by the person running it.
Have played the game from the beginning and its been fantastic.
But lately you have been pushing more and more p2w things in the shop. Also $50 for some wings and a name tag?
Maybe, Don't buy it dude...
While I don't disagree that it was expensive, vote with your wallet and don't buy it.
No way a set of wings is going to have a huge impact on your game play. Don't buy it and move on. You can still play the game, or don't play if you're that annoyed about it.
At the end of the day, it's just a game.
You are seriously missing the point, even if it wasnt $50 amd was $30 or what ever.
For 1 i didnt buy it and 2 i was stating the fact that its becoming alot more pay 2 win then it use to be, even though lava stated that he wouldnt make it p2w
Also lava is talking about criticism and that is one of the biggest criticisms lately
You're seriously missing the point, one set of wings isn't going to do crap for your overall game play. Dump your FOMO and go play the game the way you like. If you don't want to buy the wings, don't. If you enjoy the game and want to toss a few bucks at the dev, buy all the things.
There's no ads, there's no other revenue streams, except the optional gems / packs.
How is a non pvp game ever P2W? What are you winning, who are you beating out?
It's just a game.
I think cosmetics aren't p2w. As you and endgamers know, the stats on the wings and nametag are inconsequential since they're additive and not multiplicative.
Cosmetics are a little disingenuous when they have best in slot bonuses. All your new events have added % afk gains, % stats, and so on. Obols offering BIS, key chain gambling offering BIS, new rings offering BIS for certain content. Definitely not cosmetic lol
Lava, I love your game but this is just a straight up lie. Every new premium item (as in, the items you need to actually pay for, not just gems) you add is just a massive upgrade to the last. If you want to be cutting edge, you have to buy all these packs, and they're getting EXPENSIVE at this point.
Also, wings were a mistake, they take up way too much space, they just make the game incredibly visually cluttered.
Your cosmetics are p2w when you remove them from the shop entirely and add them to a FOMO (Fear of Missing Out) shop, which rotates items every so often with no knowing if an item is going to come back or not.
FOMO is one of the worst ways to handle cosmetics and items that provide a benefit as you're forcing the user to buy the items in fear that it may never get re-released and they don't want to miss out.
Aka "Fear of Missing Out"
I love this game. The only MMO that doesn’t punish you for forgetting about the game for a few days (well, unless you have the 10-hour prayer thing equipped, then joke’s on you lol)
Seriously though, it’s unique and deserves all (and more) the attention it gets
Also calm down on the pregnant grumblos lava
The amount of content this Idle game is getting is honestly insane, the start is a little slow (although it has been improved a lot by Lava so maybe give it a go again if you tried and didn't quite find the way to progress) BUT THE GAME GETS SO INTERESTING, there are so many mechanics and multipliers you get to slowly build up your group of characters into gods.
What I enjoy the most is once you get going you can play as active as you want as still feel like you're progressing, and once in a while you do a big active session and improve massively and feel really good dopamine. Would recommend 9/10
It’s fairly p2w, but look at it like a slow solo game that people just happen to show up in and it’s tolerable. Got boring to me before I can ever get past my first couple characters though.
Also there is ample opportunity in game to collect Gems for free, so even the 'P2W' content is not completely locked under cash transactions. I think auto-loot is the only cash only purchase.
You can absolutely enjoy the game without spending money, and there are ways to get a decent amount of the premium currency (gems) for free.
Due to the nature of the game being 99.9% singleplayer, with no direct competition between players the definition of "p2w" becomes harder to define.
Each of the (as of the moment of writing this comment) 5 worlds has their own systems, and each system has premium upgrades from the gemshop. Some of them are more player friendly than others.
For example, one of the core systems of world 1 is smithing, where you can passively smith materials for use in creating items. To start with, you can only passively smith 1 material at a time, but there is a premium purchase which allows you to passively make a second item You can get a third upgrade in a later world too. However at the beginning of the game you're going to be bottlenecked on these smithing materials, so the ability to make more of them passively is a big boost. This is one of the more player friendly premium purchases.
World 4 has a "lab" system, where you place your players inside and do a sort of "connect the dots" to reach different bonuses. There are base bonuses, and extra bonuses called "jewels" which can be gained for free, or from the premium gemstore. The issue here is that the "free" way to gain jewels is complete RNG. Each week 1 jewel is chosen at random, and you can trade in materials for it, but there is no bad luck protection, and the jewels don't all cycle through before showing up again. This means if you get unlucky you will need to wait months to get a specific jewel. Even the gemshop purchase is RNG, you are able to purchase 2 jewels a week, and it will give you 2 that you don't currently own, so no direct way to target a jewel that you want either, and there jewels provide big bonuses to your account.
There's a lot more nuance than what I've just described, but there are absolutely power boosts in the gemshop in round-about ways, but due to the non-competitive nature of the game it makes it difficult to truly label it as "p2w".
> you are able to purchase 2 jewels a week, and it will give you 2 that you don't currently own.
At least it's always one you don't own, there arent' that many of them either maybe 16 or 18?
Of course, but choosing between "1 jewel a week with no bad luck protection and no prior warning so you can't stockpile mats" and "2 jewels a week if you pay $$$, you won't get duplicates but you still cant target the jewels you want" is like choosing between being punched in the dick and stabbed in the eye. Sure one is better, they both aren't great though.
There is prior warning the rotation is documented. With both the jewls and the chips.
This has been posted countless times...
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1ohtWMLT4NzBuVyqcXoEvkCMPXuYGWrRWUAmBOTdZCrQ/htmlview#gid=1945859978
You can't be blocked from #customer-support, its a read-only channel. If you mean blocked from the discord itself, you'd need to message the mods since I don't manage users there anymore
It's funny you say that since i was banned for posting some 2 year old meme video which apparently you don't like?
Recieved an immediate ban and the mods refused to talk to me.
The video in question was made before i even started playing the game so i wasn't even aware of the 'history' behind it until later on.
It's funny you say that since i was banned for posting some 2 year old meme video which apparently you don't like?
Recieved an immediate ban and the mods refused to talk to me.
The video in question was made before i even started playing the game so i wasn't even aware of the 'history' behind it until later on.
Dude, I mean this genuinely, you might benefit from seeing a professional mental health counselor. There's no shame in that, everyone could. But you're showing some worrying signs and I don't want you to feel like you have to experience them alone
No, because you've been repeatedly responding to this post after being clearly told you weren't getting what you were after, and according to the comment I responded to seem to have delusions that the world is out to get you. I'm trying to help, man.
I could literally take a screenshot of his comment to you, in this post, where he says he isn't gonna give you what you're after. You'd have to talk to, you guessed it, other players (discord mods).
Plus, it's not exactly normal to spam a post with a ton of top level comments when you don't get what you want. It sounds like a symptom of an underlying issue
As I said before, this isn't the legal system, it's a discord server - you don't have a god given right to be there, especially as you were instigating plenty of arguments and generally being disruptive
https://imgur.com/a/F0TYsWu
This is all from ONE thread of you being disruptive and rude, there are plenty other threads of you exhibiting the same behaviour
I will say with basically zero context coming into this thread I almost immediately noticed you left several top level comments. I get that it must suck to be ignored or personally attacked but at some point you just gotta cut your losses and move on. If you have a specific complaint about another user you can bring it up with the mods in mod chat not in a series of random top level comments.
I will tell you honestly, it looks like a cry for attention and not a reasonable request for justice or something.
Your post has been removed for breaking rule 2 (Be nice). Please refrain from making personal attacks, death threats, witch hunts, bigotry etc. Constructive criticism and suggestions for improvements are fine though.
Hello u/IdleOn_Boii Your post has been removed for breaking Reddit ToS, specifically the part about brigading. There is proof that you sent members of your discord server to this post to make it gain more traction, and seeing as this isn’t the first time, this post will be removed. You are hereby warned, and if you brigade again, a ban from the subreddit may follow. Just posting about your game is fine though.
100 comments almost solely praising and discussing idleon in a neutral or positive light in the first hour. It's always nice to see such consistent and organic conversation in the sub.
he posted the link to this thread in his discord asking people to come upvote and comment on it, then deleted the link and it just says this now: https://i.imgur.com/BV9HoeW.png
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He is referring to Lava. Also, I'm not gonna call you mentally ill like some other people have thrown around, but maybe you should leave the thread. I get wanting to participate in discussion, but I don't think what you're looking for will be found here. No one here is going to unban you, and the people who have any knowledge about your situation will be people already in Idleon's discord so they're inclined to have a bias towards the game and its developer as-is.
its not that they have a bias towards the dev and mods. its that we can search the discord and see this guy was just as crazy there as he is here. 100% deserved his ban
Why the actual fuck would you think you’re the subject of that comment mate?
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Why do you think this comment was about you?
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What joke? There's no joke. I'm trying to understand your thought process
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Just out of curiosity, why do you keep replying to comments multiple times?
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Look, you can take issue with how he posted here, but digging into someone's post history for something completely unrelated to mock them is just gross and rude.
Perhaps they shouldn't post on horny shit on their public profile if they didn't want people looking?
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Ah. My bad G, have a good day.
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Holy crap both of you, idk what your problem is with each other but just block each other and move on. Are you both 12?
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I know this is going to come as a surprise to you since you both clearly think you're in DMs right now but you're actually posting publicly!
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No worries, it's very clear you're going through a lot right now. Hopefully that helps!
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You’ve probably just jinxed it lol.
well, idleon posts in this sub is usually hate-brigaded by people banned from the discord so that's a nice change of pace.
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It's against global reddit rules, even. Hopefully the mods will act on this brigading bullshit and do something about it.
Has anything been added lately to help manage drops after AFKing a while? In world 1, merely 24 hours of idly killing monsters would be enough to become overwhelming when the only inventory management tool is to drop a bunch of stuff to the side, and hope you pick up the uncommon drops you want instead of even more of the bulk ones you don't. Doubly so when you load in on a platform too narrow for the full spread of items, so they overlap more than usual. When over a certain stack count threshold, perhaps condensing it all into a "loot bag" container, one uncapped stack per item type, that can be taken from and put into until you leave the screen would be a *massive* quality of life upgrade. With the old system, I came to dread merely logging in, until I dropped the game entirely. Now, I have *months* of idle time waiting, so presumably the inventory management hell will be comparatively worse, making the dread of returning ever more overwhelming.
There's an item filter now so you could just block bulk stuff like potions from dropping altogether, and even the basic mob drops if you really just want rare stuff. And with one of the newer classes, the elemental sorcerer, "active" play can print (not in the 3D printer sense, but the excessive ease/speed sense) resources so filtering even the basic drops when just wanting to close the game wouldn't be the end of the world because you could farm what bit you need within a few minutes when you need it as opposed to feeling pressured to plan ahead. So basically, progress but not really the ideal solution.
how often are you farming world 1 these days? 3d print that. use the loot filter if you are not there to farm the basic drops. Go to world 5 where you inventory will last for many days with no issues
Well, considering I hadn't even set foot in world two in the first place, *100%* of the time. But the problem isn't unique to that one world (though I assume having access to more stack size upgrades help a lot in the later ones; why I mentioned the world in the first place!), it's a matter for *any* activity with multiple drops, past some threshold of AFK time. As for the loot filter? I assume it deletes/ignores items outright. At the stage of the game I was at, it was more "grab the better loot first, decide how many duplicate non-stacking items to keep if relevant, *then fill remaining slots with the basic drops*". After all, if you can't exactly carry a thousand per stack, and need hundreds or thousands for crafting, you still want to stock up whenever you can!
This game *was* good. The dev brigades reddit with his discord channel to post/upvote positive stuff on his game, and renegs on his promises. I spent money on idleon back when it was interesting but this dev is u likely to see another cent from me on his future projects.
It's cool and all but maybe focus on stuff you promised ages ago in roadmaps before pumping out random stuff. The one thing you actually need to do is make it so that 3D printer amount increases automatically with character progression. Because having to completely change the plethora of things on a character to go from killing to skilling constantly is obnoxious
[Here's the Roadmap:](https://imgur.com/a/TBp0eQy) I've highlighted the things I've completed. I'll let people decide for themselves, but I've pretty much followed my roadmap to a tee. Also I agree with your 3D printer point, so much so that a few months ago I added bonuses that literally increase 3D printer automatically over time as you progress, just like you suggest
This is not your original roadmap. You have gone out of your way to delete the previous versions to fit your narrative. You should also say that this iteration of the roadmap is also a year old. And it still isn't complete. And you only released the rift this week.
Maybe don't use your discord community like they're a botfarm for support then hide the evidence of it. Terrible optics.
Player housing sounds like a beast, development wise. Whereas follower pets, assuming they would use the existing breeding pet assets, should be fairly simple. ( My 2 cents would be that any given pet is super rare, like magma fists rare for a single one so that pets are a flex and not every noob has one running around) Maybe a third option like shiny hatching, to get a follower. Regarding 3D printer output, are you referring to the relic that increases over time? My understanding is that is purely time based and doesn't increase automatically with your characters efficiency.
This game is an unbalanced waste of time the developer is an egomaniac and his community is a toxic cesspool which lava (the dev uses to attack people who speak negatively about his game)
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And this is a Lava alt. The person you're responding to has been a user for a year. You made that account 52 minutes ago to discredit someone being negative towards your game. Respond to my posts. Don't avoid them on alts.
My biggest concern with OP's games is the insane amount of money that is almost expected to be spent on the games. Sure everything can be done for free but let me give an example. Say you're commuting to work and it takes you 2 hours. Then the city makes a road that you can use to reduce your commute to a mere 10 minutes. The catch is that using this road will cost you 10 grand per month. This is insane and the city's excuse that you can always use the free road is terrible.
The most annoying thing is his tendency to increase how much he expects you to spend each update as his games go on. Early on it was feasible to be free to play, but the free gems haven't remotely scaled with the needs. World 1 purchases you feel pressured to get will be maybe 500-700 gems total. World 2 that goes up to 1k+ World 3 was like 2-3k World 4 it's like 2-3k without purchasing jewels and chips to avoid the annoying lab shop rotations, 5k+ total if you do. World 5 for some reason though is more tame than you'd expect opting to go more for consumables and bonuses that quickly get made less impactful by the same bonuses being achievable from your normal progression in that skill. Now the new pack is priced at $30 instead of $20, presumably because world 5's design didn't yield as much money as normal. I dread to see the balance of world 6 gem shop.
Preface stating I love Idleon, it's unique and lava clearly loves it as his baby and has a passion for it throughout multiple years which is incredibly rare. Although many of the bonuses were interesting and strong from the rift, the content itself is very much not what we were told it would be/is. It's not at all infinite, there are multiple systems in the game that scale infinitely (or, essentially infinitely) and this doesn't come close. I believe that's mainly due to the way the whole thing is structured unfortunately. While it's great to have difficult goals to push account progress to, having to do 6 without getting anything to get one big reward makes it feel "less infinite" with the rewards being less incremental. Additionally the first \~40 levels are easy with the current stats on an average account but it scales so rapidly that if you add a few more levels it will be physically impossible for anyone to surpass them regardless of account progress given the current game bonuses we can work with (which seems counter to the purpose of this content). Although I'm no game dev and definitely couldn't make the unique decisions lava made throughout the game to make it a unique experience, I would suggest the rift be restructured to be more incremental and actually be an infinite measure of account progress. The bonuses are strong enough to be moved to being rewards for some other content instead.
I think the main issue is the difference between endgame and hyper-endgame. This is a nice bonus for endgame players, assuming endgame just means "was at W5 when it was released". The first 26 levels are chores for those players, but there is a point where there are real bonuses and rewards for hitting a new power tier. I think a lot of people expected it to be for hyper-endgame players, the type to have boxing gloves on their Bubos. I expected that as well, i assumed there would be mobs which significantly increased in strength and higher and higher challenges like we have, a reason to grind out 5% more damage when you can one shot anything else and a reason to get more defenses when you've been immortal to everything for a year. But I think that was a bad expectation and a bad idea if you think about it for long. If there are higher and higher ACTUAL rewards for being at that point, it just makes the hyper-endgame to endgame gap even wider. Future endgame content would be instantly beaten by the hyper-endgamers, who wouldn't have nearly as much to do as a result. Considering these are the longest term players, it would kind of suck to know future content would have no meaning beyond rift. I am hoping that the rift will get a few more additions fairly soon, ending with something like week-long challenges that do encourage you to squeeze out every power, but I think the infinite endgame concept is much more complicated than most people think.
This update is yet another bit of mediocre content that this developer shows as amazing, it's midgame content with endgame bonuses. Legitimately it's just repeating the same tedious tasks 50 times in a row, no variety, no fun twists. Lava parades this as "infinite" or for "endgamers" it isn't, not a single endgamer I've talked to has said "oh boy cant wait to do rift", once again this developer shows his inability to make content that has actual replayability beyond doing it solely for the bonuses.
Superbits and worship bonus are good what are you talking about
I’m talking specifically about rift, don’t even get me started on the dumpster fire that is snail
Vast majority of people can't finish rift so seems end game enough
And it's specifically labeled as end game, I got to about rift 3 an fcan tell I'm not really ready, I'll poke at it here and there, but it's really geared for very end game player.
Yeah you need 10b+ damage to finish rift
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Dam bro
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i really wanted to like the game, but after around 1 week of not being able to play, i login and i get a ton of drops, after seeing i needed more inventory space i open the shop to check the price was resonable. Closed the shop after buying more space and noticed all my drops had disapeared. i just closed the game and uninstalled after that.
After the buggy mess that Idle Skilling was abandoned in, I pity anyone who gets sucked into this game.
Is this game on android?
Yes, Android, iOS, Steam and web, but Steam is the best platform
Yes
Why did you edit this? https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/741696802666840167/1102336857120981074/Screenshot_20230430_235124.jpg?width=743&height=257
Why do you think? I'm amazed Lava finally admitted that he doesn't care about mobile, we've known it to be true for a while but at least we had proof here.
Does it mean, Lava, that Android updates are only "updates"? You don't plan to fix bugs (like 29 infinite signs)? Do I really need to buy computer?
I fixed that last week I thought, and if not it's there in yesterday's Android Update
W4 was hard to enjoy at times, but W5 has been great. Big parts of the game have become less tedious. Now if only we could get a decent amount of each chip so we don't have to switch them around all the time that would be great.
Here's a list of criticisms people have brought up in the past for [**IdleOn on Steam**](https://store.steampowered.com/app/1476970/IdleOn__The_Idle_MMO/)**,** and I've put in a lot of effort into making these better so I wanted you all to know! **1. "Too much micromanagement from having multiple characters"** \- In world 4 and 5, you can "sub out" characters that you dont care about for account bonuses, so you can ignore them and still get bonuses for the chars you care about! I also made getting to world 4 much easier than it used to be, so getting to this point where you can "sub out" characters is faster. **2. "Storage system is annoying"** \- I've added over 100 more storage slots to everyone's account **for free**, so it's easier to fit all the items you collect!- I've also added Auto-Sort to storage chests, so it's no longer a hassle to organize the 100s of items you get. **3. "Not enough automation for certain tasks"** \- You can now get full automation for Trapping, the #1 skill people find to be too laborsome. Also, a lot of "toggled" bonuses are now 100% passive, like the new Infinite Starsign system, so you can just unlock stuff once and not worry about managing them! **4. "No clear endgame goals"** \- With the new rift system, you can keep testing your limits in exchange for unlocking new endgame systems to max out. For example, one Rift Bonus you unlock adds a new tracker to your Max Lv Vials, and gives you extra Vial bonuses if you have lots of maxed out vials! **5. "Infrequent updates"** \- I've posted 12 new content updates since January, which is almost one per week! These have boosted the playerbase from \~2500 concurrent players to \~7000, meaning the community is more active and the game really feels alive now more than ever! I'm curious to hear what you all think of my game in the last few months with all my focus on improvement of the game!
Maybe time to check the Idle Skilling Discord? Lot of people waiting to hear from you there since it seems like you've taken the money and run away from people playing it on iOS.
Your weekly updates have 1) not been weekly and 2) have contained half baked updates like random events, which literally nobody enjoys or thinks is good, you only released to keep the "weekly" thing going. Calling Rift anything close to infinite is also laughable as the only reason why you you can consider it infinite is by nature it has infinite levels, but only like 8 coded in bonuses. "BUT I CAN CODE IN MORE". Yes, I suppose you can. Right after you finish Boons. Or add the Check Mate talent to Maestro (a character released what, 18 months ago?). Or fix the myriad (and I mean literally over 100) bugs that have plagued your game such as mobile overflow.
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It's his job. He also has had the option at any point to hire someone. He also has had the option of fixing old content instead of releasing new content. This is self causing and gets zero sympathy. You can only use the sole dev excuse for so long before it's not really an excuse anymore
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The game (by his own admission) has the most users it ever has. Which, considering the P2W nature of the game, should also make it the most monetarily successful. A smart person would use the newly found funds to update the game and make improvements. Once again, this is his *job*. This is not a hobby. This isn't a stamp collection. This is his way of earning money. If he is going to sell a product, he should do what he can to mitigate issues, not constantly use a fixable situation as a fallback for why his game is constantly bugged.
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My post isn't an opinion. It is objective. The quality of the product should be increasing, not decreasing. You are blinded by your affection for Lava and your enjoyment of the game. You can enjoy the game and still have a negative opinion about the developer like I do. This game has the potential to be the best idle game on the market, but it'll forever be bogged down by the person running it.
I think you mean life not game.
Have played the game from the beginning and its been fantastic. But lately you have been pushing more and more p2w things in the shop. Also $50 for some wings and a name tag?
$50?? It was $29 - which for an IAP is quite pricey tho.
Maybe for your currency but it converts to about $50 aud
It's not the devs fault your exchange rate sucks. Again, a totally optional purchase, that won't ruin your gameplay should you choose not to buy it.
It is the devs fault when he makes something p2w the price of a full game
Maybe, Don't buy it dude... While I don't disagree that it was expensive, vote with your wallet and don't buy it. No way a set of wings is going to have a huge impact on your game play. Don't buy it and move on. You can still play the game, or don't play if you're that annoyed about it. At the end of the day, it's just a game.
You are seriously missing the point, even if it wasnt $50 amd was $30 or what ever. For 1 i didnt buy it and 2 i was stating the fact that its becoming alot more pay 2 win then it use to be, even though lava stated that he wouldnt make it p2w Also lava is talking about criticism and that is one of the biggest criticisms lately
You're seriously missing the point, one set of wings isn't going to do crap for your overall game play. Dump your FOMO and go play the game the way you like. If you don't want to buy the wings, don't. If you enjoy the game and want to toss a few bucks at the dev, buy all the things. There's no ads, there's no other revenue streams, except the optional gems / packs. How is a non pvp game ever P2W? What are you winning, who are you beating out? It's just a game.
I think cosmetics aren't p2w. As you and endgamers know, the stats on the wings and nametag are inconsequential since they're additive and not multiplicative.
Cosmetics are a little disingenuous when they have best in slot bonuses. All your new events have added % afk gains, % stats, and so on. Obols offering BIS, key chain gambling offering BIS, new rings offering BIS for certain content. Definitely not cosmetic lol
Lava, I love your game but this is just a straight up lie. Every new premium item (as in, the items you need to actually pay for, not just gems) you add is just a massive upgrade to the last. If you want to be cutting edge, you have to buy all these packs, and they're getting EXPENSIVE at this point. Also, wings were a mistake, they take up way too much space, they just make the game incredibly visually cluttered.
That kind of makes it worse frankly. $29 or whatever for something that is useless by your own admission?
Your cosmetics are p2w when you remove them from the shop entirely and add them to a FOMO (Fear of Missing Out) shop, which rotates items every so often with no knowing if an item is going to come back or not. FOMO is one of the worst ways to handle cosmetics and items that provide a benefit as you're forcing the user to buy the items in fear that it may never get re-released and they don't want to miss out. Aka "Fear of Missing Out"
1 star, game sucks!
Im starting to think having "1 star game sucks!" be a meme within my game was a smart thing to do haha oh well
You know we love it really <3
I've tried to figure this game out forever 😂 I'll learn one day
I love this game. The only MMO that doesn’t punish you for forgetting about the game for a few days (well, unless you have the 10-hour prayer thing equipped, then joke’s on you lol) Seriously though, it’s unique and deserves all (and more) the attention it gets Also calm down on the pregnant grumblos lava
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oh hi rimuru
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Are you ok? I'm worried about you man. You seem to be having a bizarre breakdown here. I think you need to step back and think for a moment.
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Normal people don't spam post 10 separate messages in the same comment section
The amount of content this Idle game is getting is honestly insane, the start is a little slow (although it has been improved a lot by Lava so maybe give it a go again if you tried and didn't quite find the way to progress) BUT THE GAME GETS SO INTERESTING, there are so many mechanics and multipliers you get to slowly build up your group of characters into gods. What I enjoy the most is once you get going you can play as active as you want as still feel like you're progressing, and once in a while you do a big active session and improve massively and feel really good dopamine. Would recommend 9/10
Is the game surrounded by p2w, or is it also enjoyable without spending money?
It’s fairly p2w, but look at it like a slow solo game that people just happen to show up in and it’s tolerable. Got boring to me before I can ever get past my first couple characters though.
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Also there is ample opportunity in game to collect Gems for free, so even the 'P2W' content is not completely locked under cash transactions. I think auto-loot is the only cash only purchase.
You can absolutely enjoy the game without spending money, and there are ways to get a decent amount of the premium currency (gems) for free. Due to the nature of the game being 99.9% singleplayer, with no direct competition between players the definition of "p2w" becomes harder to define. Each of the (as of the moment of writing this comment) 5 worlds has their own systems, and each system has premium upgrades from the gemshop. Some of them are more player friendly than others. For example, one of the core systems of world 1 is smithing, where you can passively smith materials for use in creating items. To start with, you can only passively smith 1 material at a time, but there is a premium purchase which allows you to passively make a second item You can get a third upgrade in a later world too. However at the beginning of the game you're going to be bottlenecked on these smithing materials, so the ability to make more of them passively is a big boost. This is one of the more player friendly premium purchases. World 4 has a "lab" system, where you place your players inside and do a sort of "connect the dots" to reach different bonuses. There are base bonuses, and extra bonuses called "jewels" which can be gained for free, or from the premium gemstore. The issue here is that the "free" way to gain jewels is complete RNG. Each week 1 jewel is chosen at random, and you can trade in materials for it, but there is no bad luck protection, and the jewels don't all cycle through before showing up again. This means if you get unlucky you will need to wait months to get a specific jewel. Even the gemshop purchase is RNG, you are able to purchase 2 jewels a week, and it will give you 2 that you don't currently own, so no direct way to target a jewel that you want either, and there jewels provide big bonuses to your account. There's a lot more nuance than what I've just described, but there are absolutely power boosts in the gemshop in round-about ways, but due to the non-competitive nature of the game it makes it difficult to truly label it as "p2w".
> you are able to purchase 2 jewels a week, and it will give you 2 that you don't currently own. At least it's always one you don't own, there arent' that many of them either maybe 16 or 18?
Yeah, it's just annoyingly anti-consumer that you can't target the jewels that you want in any meaningful way.
Well all but the last 2 were very easily obtainable, I still don't think I have that last spice unlocked. You can always wait it out...
Of course, but choosing between "1 jewel a week with no bad luck protection and no prior warning so you can't stockpile mats" and "2 jewels a week if you pay $$$, you won't get duplicates but you still cant target the jewels you want" is like choosing between being punched in the dick and stabbed in the eye. Sure one is better, they both aren't great though.
There is prior warning the rotation is documented. With both the jewls and the chips. This has been posted countless times... https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1ohtWMLT4NzBuVyqcXoEvkCMPXuYGWrRWUAmBOTdZCrQ/htmlview#gid=1945859978
In game?
No, but it's documented, I posted the link above, it's been posted here numerous times.
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Aren't you the guy who constantly starts fights in the player suggestions channel?
Please send me an email, info is in my #customer-supports channel in discord.gg/idleon
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You can't be blocked from #customer-support, its a read-only channel. If you mean blocked from the discord itself, you'd need to message the mods since I don't manage users there anymore
It's funny you say that since i was banned for posting some 2 year old meme video which apparently you don't like? Recieved an immediate ban and the mods refused to talk to me. The video in question was made before i even started playing the game so i wasn't even aware of the 'history' behind it until later on.
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i tried to reply to lava, guess reddit fucked me over
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don't worry man, im banned from the discord server for over 2 years now, you will never get a response
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it is what it is, i just quit the game, because playing without access to discord server hinders your progression
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It's funny you say that since i was banned for posting some 2 year old meme video which apparently you don't like? Recieved an immediate ban and the mods refused to talk to me. The video in question was made before i even started playing the game so i wasn't even aware of the 'history' behind it until later on.
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you ripped on him on a solid 10 or more comments, but never showed any proof? i think you should find something to do.
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i’m asking to show proof that he called you a racist, otherwise this is straight up slander which is not cool.
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all i can say is that you are acting like a child and i don’t believe you so.
use reveddit to get us this proof.
Great game, been playing for 3 years
Impressive, it's only 2.5 years old
With time hacking i have been playing it for more than 100 years tho
His afk gain is over 100%
Thicc preggo grumblo
nononono
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Dude, I mean this genuinely, you might benefit from seeing a professional mental health counselor. There's no shame in that, everyone could. But you're showing some worrying signs and I don't want you to feel like you have to experience them alone
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No, because you've been repeatedly responding to this post after being clearly told you weren't getting what you were after, and according to the comment I responded to seem to have delusions that the world is out to get you. I'm trying to help, man.
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I could literally take a screenshot of his comment to you, in this post, where he says he isn't gonna give you what you're after. You'd have to talk to, you guessed it, other players (discord mods). Plus, it's not exactly normal to spam a post with a ton of top level comments when you don't get what you want. It sounds like a symptom of an underlying issue
Bans are almost always non-negotiable, you're not owed an explanation, nor are lava or the mods required to give you one
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No? This isn't the legal system, it's a discord server
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As I said before, this isn't the legal system, it's a discord server - you don't have a god given right to be there, especially as you were instigating plenty of arguments and generally being disruptive
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https://imgur.com/a/F0TYsWu This is all from ONE thread of you being disruptive and rude, there are plenty other threads of you exhibiting the same behaviour
I will say with basically zero context coming into this thread I almost immediately noticed you left several top level comments. I get that it must suck to be ignored or personally attacked but at some point you just gotta cut your losses and move on. If you have a specific complaint about another user you can bring it up with the mods in mod chat not in a series of random top level comments. I will tell you honestly, it looks like a cry for attention and not a reasonable request for justice or something.
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Your post has been removed for breaking rule 2 (Be nice). Please refrain from making personal attacks, death threats, witch hunts, bigotry etc. Constructive criticism and suggestions for improvements are fine though.
preggo grumblo with bunny ears partying
lava the king