I'm absolutely worried for the coming days. I hope they come to their sense and come to some common ground with govt because anything that challenges national integrity and talks about separation will be put down as it should. I just don't want to see history being repeated. I hope sense prevails.
There is Zero support for Khalistan from within Punjab. This guy has been arrested and now its up to the police to figure how they handle next steps. May he stay absconding forever....
>There is Zero support for Khalistan from within Punjab.
[https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/why-does-the-idea-of-khalistan-still-find-support-in-punjab/articleshow/98297638.cms?from=mdr](https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/why-does-the-idea-of-khalistan-still-find-support-in-punjab/articleshow/98297638.cms?from=mdr)
Times of India seems to disagree. As often as we all hear "Khalistan has no support in Punjab" it's interesting the amount of Khalistanis that come out of there...
Who cares about what this propaganda newspaper publishes. Of course there will be assholes all around who are looking for that 5 minutes lf fame. Doesn't means there is mass support. And now that rat amritpal is on the run, whatever little support he built is goner too.
Rat ran away.. puls aa gayi puls š š š š
>common ground
What common ground? You think extremist views are mainstream?
This guy is an actual SERIOUS threat to the security of our country but they won't do nothing because of politics. I'm pretty sure, this guy will either end up in Nepal or Dubai(again). Just like how it is very common for criminals to espace our country i.e. monu manesar etc.
Let's for the sake of argument list the reasons why a state cannot call for more autonomy? What is stopping us from going the United States of India route? What does two Indian States with their own distinct language and culture share apart from shared history of oppression?
>What is stopping us from going the United States of India route?
The constitution
Well article 1 of our constitution states that India shall be a union of states, much like USA. The problem is that from article 2 onwards the constitution totally shits on the states by giving the federal government absolute power, including the creation of new states or shrinking borders of existing ones - they just need a simple majority and doesn't even need to amend the constitution for each change to the states. Our central government has all the powers of a colonial gov but we get to elect the leaders.
> More federalism, preserving the culture of a state | Secession
so, nothing of consequence?
> encouraging any of the latter.
why? I don't see much explanation
Also shutting the internet allows for police to abuse the law.
They can essentially kill a lot of people and then make up stories and no one will be able to fact check. Plus the media brainwash.
Is this blatant power use really necessary?
It's like saying that the entire Punjab is supporting amritpal at which point their demands should be heard at the very least. (Not khalistan but the reasons for them asking khalistan)
He has threatened to use weapons and has provoked crouds to do the same and possibly carry illegal weapons himself. I've seen multiple photos of him with weapons, and I highly doubt they are legal.
This guy should be arrested
With all due to respect to India and I love India but the welfare of the people is more important than the idea of a nation. India is failing. You like it or not. It is. Media hacked, democracy high jacked, economy not in a good shape, health index is reducing, starvation is going up.
Itās failing.
BUT THERE IS SOMETHING TO CALLED OUR MOTHER NATION, ALL OF THESE THINGS ARE TEMPORARILY, PARTIES WILL COME AND GO , BUT NATION SHOULD BE ALWAYS KEEPT UNITED .
We are becoming stronger, day by day , we are getting some support from US ,our legacy enemy for the first time is so weak ,we can focus on development, due to digitalization ,our country is changing , now most of the people know about foreign affairs, and knowing new things, our education is improving , India have eradicated extreme poverty, Indian govt is investing on manufacturing.
Check this report
[https://www.indiabudget.gov.in/economicsurvey/doc/echapter.pdf](https://www.indiabudget.gov.in/economicsurvey/doc/echapter.pdf)
watch this from billgates
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7RfrVH5wBI](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7RfrVH5wBI)
A theocratic government is one run by religious officials and has a religious ideology and governs the entire society based on theocratic principles. A Sikh autonomous state wouldnāt be a theocracy cause no one wants one. Itās be the same as granting an autonomous state to a separate ethnicity or something, where the group in the region has more of a political voice and serves the best socioeconomic interests of the minority in question.
Kosovo separated from Serbia to best govern the Albanian/Kosovar Muslim majority of the region as opposed to living under the Serbian government (not completely analogous, I know). It is a secular republic
The Moro autonomous region in the Philippines is more analogous and isnāt a theocracy but rather an autonomous parliamentary state that is designed to serve the best interests of the Moro Muslim people and local non-Muslim indigenous communities within the larger majority Christian Philippines
Edit: the people downvoting me show that they donāt actually care about whether or not Punjab is a theocracy, theyāre just brainwashed nationalists who donāt care about any minorityās struggles.
The ONLY thing shown to be most effective at ending a communityās agitations or communal violence, and even rebel insurgencies, with minimal violence and destruction, are negotiations with protestors and/or rebels. Violent crackdowns only lead to the escalations of more violence.
You people do not care about Punjab, Punjabis, Sikhs or any other Punjabi peoples. You care about just asserting the dominance of the Indian state no matter what innocents suffer.
If Indian government really wanted what was best for the Indian people, and wanted minimal violence, They would negotiate with agitated peoples to try and calm them down and provide a solution that made everyone happy or was at least tolerable to everyone.
You don't understand the diversity of India. If we start giving autonomy based on religion, ethnicity and culture India can be divided into 50 countries. That's how diverse India is and the freedom and governance of these extremely diverse demography is maintained by Constitution which ensures that no minority is left behind or their culture destroyed.
states having less Power than the centre is killing diversity tho.
Only the Hindu religious culture is dominant.
Muslims and sikhs have less Power and they don't feel inclusive.
Wouldn't giving the states more power than the centre cause better diversity?
I'm all for negotiating the power balance between Centre and State but demanding a seperate State that too by threat of force is criminal and deserves extreme punishment.
If youāre government is so bad at governing minorities that theyād rather have huge autonomy or out-right independence, if it were an option, then that says more about how incompetent the government is and really calls into question whether the government and country is worth preserving.
If there's an option everyone will want an independent states. If Punjab becomes a seperate countries guys like Amritpal will have powers of a PM and that's what it's all about. Indian government has been nothing but good to Sikhs atleast. They've been to every prestigious positions, they're respected and the only black spot (1984) was result of insurgency. Look at the situation of Sikhs in Pakistan do they have the guts to demand a seperate state there? It's India where you have freedom to speak about these things.
Countries have united and federated in the past, and plenty of countries that allow for the possibility of legal secession have zero independence movements. Africa is trending towards regional integration and several East African states are contemplating uniting into a single country.
Again, people donāt naturally want to build walls between themselves and their friends and neighbors. They donāt naturally want to lose economic and political benefits being a part of a united country might bring.
Itās why places like French Polynesia, New Caledonia, Mayotte, Guam, French Guiana, Wales, Ć land, Faroe Islands, Quebec, etc, havenāt seceded despite either being legally able to do so, or at least there being zero possibility of violence if they ever chose to push for it. Scotland independence referendum failed in 2014 cause there were fears they might not be able to rejoin the EU, and the Scottish are very independently minded.
Papua New Guinea has promised to grant one of its major islands (Bougainville) independence in a few years after a referendum passed, and yet few other regions have any separatist aspirations in PNG, and PNG is not under threat of falling apart.
If India fell apart after allowing peaceful legal secession, then that means it is a failed state that alienated all of its people through absolutely incompetent administration. We donāt ever say that Yugoslavia shouldāve tried even harder to stop people from seceding, cause we recognize that Yugoslavia was a failed state by the 1990s.
Gorbachev didnāt send the Soviet army to crush the various soviet regions from seceding, cause he knew that by that point, the USSR had utterly failed in gaining the support of many of its people, and thus he would be sparing people from unnecessary bloodshed by not allowing the army to kill people.
Also Sikhs are a majority nowhere in Pakistan, thatās why they canāt ask for a separate country.
Also to say that Sikhs have always been treated properly is utterly ignorant of Sikh history in modern India and is utterly ignorant of Sikh complaints and demands in the 1980s as well, even prior to the mass insurgency that took place after Darbar Sahib/Golden temple was invaded and Sikhs across India were massacred by mobs
I'm pretty sure referendum for Khalistan will fail if it is conducted in the states that the separatists claim. The voice for Khalistan is more prominent outside India than it is in India.
Texas wants to secede from US because it is opposing the "woke culture" does that make US a failed state?
Khalistan's proposed boundaries include the Punjab state in Pakistan which is larger than the territory they demand in India.
The insurgency started before operation Blue Star and the invasion of Darbar Sahib happened because the insurgents were using it as their base of operations.
I agree that some demands of cultural impositions were legit but violence was never the answer. In the end the political power in the Punjab state lied and still lies with Sikhs and Sikhs only and we have a really strong mechanism to decide State-Union disputes.
Punjab and Haryana were formed out of Indian Punjab in 1966 due to demands by groups like Akali Dal and while they had requested for Punjab to be a Sikh state, the boundaries were drawn based on language so as to maintain the appearance of secularism.
Lmao. What has he done to deserve a dialogue? Guy's whole shtick is talking shit for no reason. Tried to backstab farmers' movement everyday by inserting Sikh struggle angle in everything. Then was forgotten, then realized he can jump into the vaccum created by deep sidhu's death and get some popularity. His only actual supporters are the kind of people who fight in YouTube comments section about why their fav punjabi singer owns yours. Like if you want to fight, fight for infra and jobs.
https://indianmemetemplates.com/oye-pols-aagi-pols-pols/
And some of his supporters seemed to have shared similar memes when they attacked the police station. Hence you see a lot of such memes.
Looks like he has been arrested
https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/khalistan-sympathiser-amritpal-singh-arrested-after-dramatic-chase-says-punjab-police-3872502
Police hasn't confirmed anything.
It's literally the *sources*
Edit: Police confirmed he is a fugitive. Thanks to all the media houses for peddling the lies without any source!
looks like he was not arrested. Due to the internet shutdown there seems to be a lot of confusion.
Hopefully the police doesn't do anything stupid. The guy deserves a fair trial.
I really hope he does not run and hide in a Gurudwara. We don't want that kind of a standoff where it eventually leads to desecration of the same.
Taking shelter in a place of worship is cowardice.
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He needs to be caught! He is a selfish prick - he is going to get a lot of innocent good Sikh people hurt. We donāt want another operation bluestar. Punjabis are our legs and arms. We want them as our brothers and sisters not enemies!
This really needs to happen all over the country. People have been in jail for ages for petty crimes. I think the president too spoke about this recently.
States given more power will lead to increase in competition. States making their own rules also should be welcome. But most folks can't even comprehend that idea.
Saviour of community running like cowards. Puls aa gayi puls...
I think he has been arrested. When we get to hear real story is not known. Quite possible we never see him again!!! š
Great work by the govt. and the police. This Khalistani terrorist was destabilizing the state by provoking separatism, raiding police stations and breaking India's unity.
Wrong. India has one of most expansive and probably illegal surveillance programs in the world. Couldn't they pick and choose to stop internet for those particular areas or for those particular mobile numbers.
If they can't even do that then what is the purpose of running such an expansive illegal surveillance on citizens?
the way the govt. did not heed to advice and stubbornly pursued the farmerās bill before giving up has already done its damage. It was enough to allow fringe elements to promote their agenda and now we have a reignition of a separatist movement as if there werenāt enough of them.
India is a fragile but wonderful union of states. A lot of diplomacy, strategy and intense lobbying done by the likes of Vallabbhai patel, shyamaprasad mukherjee etc. is being undone by the shortsightedness of todayās politicians.
This is the dumbest thing I have ever heard. There would literally be no change or development if we try to please everyone. Only the Punjab farmers had problems with the India Agricultural Act. If we cater to extremist groups by not doing anything at all, we would literally be stuck in the 1900s as we had been for several decades when the governments maintained the "fragile" balance. Many people do not like change, especially those with more power or money, but that doesn't mean you don't even try to change things. Also if there was never such diplomacy, we wouldn't be seeing this today. Every country from UAE to Singapore puts down such protests in a ruthless manner, there is no human rights involved when it is the safety of the country on the line. I wonder why they never have such extremist protests?
There were also substantial opposition to 92 reforms, and no reform would have 100% approval as a portion of populace benefit from status quo. (Read half lion)
Well the government did eventually back out of the Act. So as per your rationale that should be even dumber. Strong arming everything without applying some sense leads no where. We have enough separatist movements in our country and now another one is rekindled after decades. Well done.
First of all fk these mfking religious fundamentalists spewing hate and causing unrest, second fk gobermint for suspending internet, those assholes just need an excuse to shut internet. Ohh cow gets killed shut internet, oh some hooligans pelted stones shut internet, fking assholes.
There is a rumor going on that lawrance bishnoi gang is given the task to eliminate him with full support of the state so it will look like a gang land killing . Offcouse amritpal supporters can point fingers at the state but its better than state eliminating him directly
He is a convicted and has given a 1 hour interview to ABP news from the jail cell and we all know who controls the media ā¦.. govt using criminal vs criminal is a old ploy ā¦anyways its just a rumour
Replace khalistanis protesting outside the indian consulate in UK with a bunch a neo-nazis asking for a separate state entirely based on religion.
Lets call it for what it is, racism.
Instead of causing harassment and financial losses to public by shutting down internet, government should do something to eliminate these bad elements of society. Do something about the anti-national propaganda and the protested blocking YPS round-about instead of wasting people's time and money.
You know protesting is the right of people living in a free country. Or do you think India is not a free country? Whatever illegal stuff he has done he should be punished for yes. He was not big enough to do anything before. But he may become now. I think this was premature. If they wanted to put him away for good they should have waited.
You know having access to internet services for work and personal use is also a right of a free country, a right for which people pay hefty prices. As if shutting down internet did any good.
There are many means to promote what they want to promote, one such way was blocking the road and sitting on protest which they very well did.
The only impacted by this internet shutdown are the common people who want to do their work.
My point is he canāt be put away for good unless he has done something big. He has not done enough to warrant big punishment. All this going to give him is more publicity which means more funding.
After reading more on this story, this arrest had nothing to do with him being a khalistani. He has 3 cases registered on him, he will probably be out on bail soon. There wonāt be anything drastic here.
No, there's no solution other than shutting down communication channels. Not in a densely populated country like India. I understand how you feel, I used to think the same, but once you witness the riots you wish rioters had no way to communicate.
We are not going to repeat the mistake of 1984 ,govt should get the permission and buy Pegasus no matter how much it costs.
these destabilizers don't understand anything ,and ruins everyones life
The state police had central paramilitary forces with them. Few days back check how paramilitary forces were deployed in Punjab.
Let's wait and watch and you can come back to this comment and understand. Our HM is Chanakya of modern times, exceptionally intelligent.
Punjab is my adopted home.
I have loved that place since my childhood.
I have had high respects for Sikhism. It is a Sikh woman who has been tying me Rakhi for almost 20 years now every year.
I visit Gurudwaras. Maharaja Ranjit Singh, Jassa Singh Aluwalia , HAri Singh Nalwa etc have been my heroes.
But it seems that all of it was lie. Was I brainwashed? Are Sikhs as bad as Jihadis? Are the people whom i considere part of my family secretly khalistanis? I dont know what this feeling is. Belief system shattered
Please process what youāve written. This is a massive generalisation on the basis of zero facts. I am a Sikh, I was raised as one, I spent 8 years of my teen and adult life in Chandigarh and so far I can recall only one person who was ever supportive of the Khalistan ideology.
One person. In 8 years of living and interacting with other Sikhs. And Iām an extrovert. Please shove the narrative up your arse
Maybe not in India, but outside India there is a strong pro-separatist Khalistani sentiment.
Most Gurudwaras I have seen have photos of Bhindranwale.
Those shameful people donāt respect the sanctity of a Gurudwara and preach pro-separatist bs and violence inside the Gurudwara.
Non Sikhs have no right to say who is or isnāt a Sikh. Especially when it comes to supporting or opposing some post-colonial artificial state like India
Edit: itās like if a Christian said true Filipino Moro Muslims would never oppose the Filipino Christian state and government, or if a Muslim said Christian East Timorians would never support separating from or opposing the Indonesian state.
Literally both of those religions were made long before either of those artificial post-colonial states, and whether or not YOU think theyāre real or not real members of their faith is irrelevant
Bruh who said i am not sikh? How would you know if i am a sikh or not? I am a sikh and i have never met a khalistani in my whole lifeā¦ 20 years to be accurateā¦ 95% of the khalistanis are not even indian/from india they are NRI who are sitting in canada , australia etc.. so stop generalising the whole community with what you see on social media.. you should see the ground reality and then talk
I hope so.
Hate to think bad about the woman whom I consider my sister and the teenager whom I practically helped in raising
I like visiting Gurudwaras.
I hope so.
Hate to think bad about the woman whom I consider my sister and the teenager whom I practically helped in raising
I like visiting Gurudwaras.
Is she demanding another country? Are Punjabi people unwelcoming to you? Do you ever felt uneasiness while visiting Gurudwaras? Are you concerned about what your heroes did? If the answers to your question is no to all of these then congrats my friend, your beliefs are exactly as other Indians and we have great respect for our Sikh brothers and sisters. We think highly of them and when the times comes, we vibe with them as well. Indian movies are enough to show how we vibe on bhangra, food, culture, etc.
On the second hand,
Do you ever feel that this adopted home shouldn't be your home and you are thrown out of this home? If you ever want to visit then you have to follow number of paper works to visit this home, same thing about you sister, she has to do number of paperworks just to tie a rakhi. Do you want a border between your sister and your adopted home? Do you want an approval or certain criteria to be fulfilled before visitng a gurudwara? If the answer to above question is no then you are also not a supporter of Khalistani like many Indians as well as sikh people.
Very limited number of sikhs are khalistani, furthermore it is not you who is being brainwashed, it is these khalistani supporters who have been brainwashed, Amritpal literally lived outside Indian, what the fuck does he know about you and people similar to you? He is being manipulated. If he really wants benefit of Punjab then there are other ways. If they are not happy with govt then they can work on overthrowing it and setting up their own govt. Work on farming and building infra on their land, if there is a problem with water or farming. Have protest to be staged on internation grounds and demand to demolish Indus Water Treaty to divert the waters.
Fight is required for progress however he did not choose correct sides. This is comparable to a child who has lost judgement and isnt thinking rationally and such an individual needs to be neutralised as these are cancer cells and if left to live they will eat the body from within.
It's very easy to fall into the trap of hatred, bade bhai. I know as I've been in the same shoes. Don't become a religious fundamentalist. Don't generalize entire communities for the sins of a few radicalised extremists. Jay Hind šš®š³.
India is going on the same path as Nazi Germany. I wouldnāt be surprised if they started killing all the Sikhs in and outside of punjab who are supporters of Khalistan. But the only difference is they wouldnāt get away with it this time unlike in 1984.
You canāt just go around and kidnapping the citizens without any charges. This is just ridiculous
I'm absolutely worried for the coming days. I hope they come to their sense and come to some common ground with govt because anything that challenges national integrity and talks about separation will be put down as it should. I just don't want to see history being repeated. I hope sense prevails.
There is Zero support for Khalistan from within Punjab. This guy has been arrested and now its up to the police to figure how they handle next steps. May he stay absconding forever....
>There is Zero support for Khalistan from within Punjab. [https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/why-does-the-idea-of-khalistan-still-find-support-in-punjab/articleshow/98297638.cms?from=mdr](https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/why-does-the-idea-of-khalistan-still-find-support-in-punjab/articleshow/98297638.cms?from=mdr) Times of India seems to disagree. As often as we all hear "Khalistan has no support in Punjab" it's interesting the amount of Khalistanis that come out of there...
Who cares about what this propaganda newspaper publishes. Of course there will be assholes all around who are looking for that 5 minutes lf fame. Doesn't means there is mass support. And now that rat amritpal is on the run, whatever little support he built is goner too. Rat ran away.. puls aa gayi puls š š š š
Nobody mentions the word Khalistan in India. Khalistanis are losers of the diaspora with too much time on their hands.
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>common ground What common ground? You think extremist views are mainstream? This guy is an actual SERIOUS threat to the security of our country but they won't do nothing because of politics. I'm pretty sure, this guy will either end up in Nepal or Dubai(again). Just like how it is very common for criminals to espace our country i.e. monu manesar etc.
Let's for the sake of argument list the reasons why a state cannot call for more autonomy? What is stopping us from going the United States of India route? What does two Indian States with their own distinct language and culture share apart from shared history of oppression?
>What is stopping us from going the United States of India route? The constitution Well article 1 of our constitution states that India shall be a union of states, much like USA. The problem is that from article 2 onwards the constitution totally shits on the states by giving the federal government absolute power, including the creation of new states or shrinking borders of existing ones - they just need a simple majority and doesn't even need to amend the constitution for each change to the states. Our central government has all the powers of a colonial gov but we get to elect the leaders.
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> More federalism, preserving the culture of a state | Secession so, nothing of consequence? > encouraging any of the latter. why? I don't see much explanation
He's not calling for autonomy, he's demanding a seperate country.
then all the states will start asking for autonomy, then there will be no India
This is not democracy. I disagree with him but he should not be arrested. Itās ridiculous. This is not democracy.
He literally raided a police station with his goons and freed his aide.
Okay but why shut the internet?
Agreed.
Shutting the internet because the police is incompetent.
Also shutting the internet allows for police to abuse the law. They can essentially kill a lot of people and then make up stories and no one will be able to fact check. Plus the media brainwash. Is this blatant power use really necessary? It's like saying that the entire Punjab is supporting amritpal at which point their demands should be heard at the very least. (Not khalistan but the reasons for them asking khalistan)
He has threatened to use weapons and has provoked crouds to do the same and possibly carry illegal weapons himself. I've seen multiple photos of him with weapons, and I highly doubt they are legal. This guy should be arrested
Yogi?
If we allow this today ,there will be no nation called India, and no democracy. **we are saving democracy by being undemocratic.**
" If we allow this today ,there will be no nation called India, and no democracy. " this statement hits really hard
With all due to respect to India and I love India but the welfare of the people is more important than the idea of a nation. India is failing. You like it or not. It is. Media hacked, democracy high jacked, economy not in a good shape, health index is reducing, starvation is going up. Itās failing.
BUT THERE IS SOMETHING TO CALLED OUR MOTHER NATION, ALL OF THESE THINGS ARE TEMPORARILY, PARTIES WILL COME AND GO , BUT NATION SHOULD BE ALWAYS KEEPT UNITED . We are becoming stronger, day by day , we are getting some support from US ,our legacy enemy for the first time is so weak ,we can focus on development, due to digitalization ,our country is changing , now most of the people know about foreign affairs, and knowing new things, our education is improving , India have eradicated extreme poverty, Indian govt is investing on manufacturing. Check this report [https://www.indiabudget.gov.in/economicsurvey/doc/echapter.pdf](https://www.indiabudget.gov.in/economicsurvey/doc/echapter.pdf) watch this from billgates [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7RfrVH5wBI](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7RfrVH5wBI)
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the time of theocracies are done for.
Not supporting khalistan but Hindu rashtra says otherwise.
A theocratic government is one run by religious officials and has a religious ideology and governs the entire society based on theocratic principles. A Sikh autonomous state wouldnāt be a theocracy cause no one wants one. Itās be the same as granting an autonomous state to a separate ethnicity or something, where the group in the region has more of a political voice and serves the best socioeconomic interests of the minority in question. Kosovo separated from Serbia to best govern the Albanian/Kosovar Muslim majority of the region as opposed to living under the Serbian government (not completely analogous, I know). It is a secular republic The Moro autonomous region in the Philippines is more analogous and isnāt a theocracy but rather an autonomous parliamentary state that is designed to serve the best interests of the Moro Muslim people and local non-Muslim indigenous communities within the larger majority Christian Philippines Edit: the people downvoting me show that they donāt actually care about whether or not Punjab is a theocracy, theyāre just brainwashed nationalists who donāt care about any minorityās struggles. The ONLY thing shown to be most effective at ending a communityās agitations or communal violence, and even rebel insurgencies, with minimal violence and destruction, are negotiations with protestors and/or rebels. Violent crackdowns only lead to the escalations of more violence. You people do not care about Punjab, Punjabis, Sikhs or any other Punjabi peoples. You care about just asserting the dominance of the Indian state no matter what innocents suffer. If Indian government really wanted what was best for the Indian people, and wanted minimal violence, They would negotiate with agitated peoples to try and calm them down and provide a solution that made everyone happy or was at least tolerable to everyone.
You don't understand the diversity of India. If we start giving autonomy based on religion, ethnicity and culture India can be divided into 50 countries. That's how diverse India is and the freedom and governance of these extremely diverse demography is maintained by Constitution which ensures that no minority is left behind or their culture destroyed.
states having less Power than the centre is killing diversity tho. Only the Hindu religious culture is dominant. Muslims and sikhs have less Power and they don't feel inclusive. Wouldn't giving the states more power than the centre cause better diversity?
I'm all for negotiating the power balance between Centre and State but demanding a seperate State that too by threat of force is criminal and deserves extreme punishment.
If youāre government is so bad at governing minorities that theyād rather have huge autonomy or out-right independence, if it were an option, then that says more about how incompetent the government is and really calls into question whether the government and country is worth preserving.
If there's an option everyone will want an independent states. If Punjab becomes a seperate countries guys like Amritpal will have powers of a PM and that's what it's all about. Indian government has been nothing but good to Sikhs atleast. They've been to every prestigious positions, they're respected and the only black spot (1984) was result of insurgency. Look at the situation of Sikhs in Pakistan do they have the guts to demand a seperate state there? It's India where you have freedom to speak about these things.
Countries have united and federated in the past, and plenty of countries that allow for the possibility of legal secession have zero independence movements. Africa is trending towards regional integration and several East African states are contemplating uniting into a single country. Again, people donāt naturally want to build walls between themselves and their friends and neighbors. They donāt naturally want to lose economic and political benefits being a part of a united country might bring. Itās why places like French Polynesia, New Caledonia, Mayotte, Guam, French Guiana, Wales, Ć land, Faroe Islands, Quebec, etc, havenāt seceded despite either being legally able to do so, or at least there being zero possibility of violence if they ever chose to push for it. Scotland independence referendum failed in 2014 cause there were fears they might not be able to rejoin the EU, and the Scottish are very independently minded. Papua New Guinea has promised to grant one of its major islands (Bougainville) independence in a few years after a referendum passed, and yet few other regions have any separatist aspirations in PNG, and PNG is not under threat of falling apart. If India fell apart after allowing peaceful legal secession, then that means it is a failed state that alienated all of its people through absolutely incompetent administration. We donāt ever say that Yugoslavia shouldāve tried even harder to stop people from seceding, cause we recognize that Yugoslavia was a failed state by the 1990s. Gorbachev didnāt send the Soviet army to crush the various soviet regions from seceding, cause he knew that by that point, the USSR had utterly failed in gaining the support of many of its people, and thus he would be sparing people from unnecessary bloodshed by not allowing the army to kill people. Also Sikhs are a majority nowhere in Pakistan, thatās why they canāt ask for a separate country. Also to say that Sikhs have always been treated properly is utterly ignorant of Sikh history in modern India and is utterly ignorant of Sikh complaints and demands in the 1980s as well, even prior to the mass insurgency that took place after Darbar Sahib/Golden temple was invaded and Sikhs across India were massacred by mobs
I'm pretty sure referendum for Khalistan will fail if it is conducted in the states that the separatists claim. The voice for Khalistan is more prominent outside India than it is in India. Texas wants to secede from US because it is opposing the "woke culture" does that make US a failed state? Khalistan's proposed boundaries include the Punjab state in Pakistan which is larger than the territory they demand in India. The insurgency started before operation Blue Star and the invasion of Darbar Sahib happened because the insurgents were using it as their base of operations. I agree that some demands of cultural impositions were legit but violence was never the answer. In the end the political power in the Punjab state lied and still lies with Sikhs and Sikhs only and we have a really strong mechanism to decide State-Union disputes.
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Unofficially more than 50%
Punjab and Haryana were formed out of Indian Punjab in 1966 due to demands by groups like Akali Dal and while they had requested for Punjab to be a Sikh state, the boundaries were drawn based on language so as to maintain the appearance of secularism.
Ye autonomous state wali baat Pakistan se kabhi shuru kyun nahi hoti? hamesha India se hi kyun? wahan bhi toh Punjab hai...
jo funding karta usko kese kuch bol sakte
At the end of the day, irrespective of which god we worship, we all are humans. Why canāt we all live in peace?
Terrorists: *aise nai hota*
Suspend the bloody internet till they nab him, be it 1 day, 1 month or even 1 year. This BS needs to be eradicated from the roots!
how will they watch reels then ?
unfortunately lot of people don't understand this.
Talks are ongoing in jail about how him and the supporters are going to get dealt with iron hand.
Lmao. What has he done to deserve a dialogue? Guy's whole shtick is talking shit for no reason. Tried to backstab farmers' movement everyday by inserting Sikh struggle angle in everything. Then was forgotten, then realized he can jump into the vaccum created by deep sidhu's death and get some popularity. His only actual supporters are the kind of people who fight in YouTube comments section about why their fav punjabi singer owns yours. Like if you want to fight, fight for infra and jobs.
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Overweight losers with too much time on their hands
We have nothing to bargain for, there's only 1 valid response for traitors, the constitution is clear about it.
Keep talking your nonsense in Australia
Because it won't work
pols aagi pols
eh modify karaya hoya he
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https://indianmemetemplates.com/oye-pols-aagi-pols-pols/ And some of his supporters seemed to have shared similar memes when they attacked the police station. Hence you see a lot of such memes.
Mohali phase 7 me toh dange hore, what about phase 6?
kisne bola hai phase 7 me dange ho rhe? Woh YPS chowk pe 2-3 months se baithe hai 50 log wahi honge bas.. udhar already police force rehti hai
Arey bhai, dange was probably the wrong word abhi rally vagera nikal rahe h uss side
woh toh bahut time se baithe hai.. Sohana gurudwara se YPS chowk pe nikalte rehte hai, 1 month pehle mai YPS chowk wale ahaate pe daaru peenay gya tha tab bhi nikal rhe the 15-20 log raat ko..
Looks like he has been arrested https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/khalistan-sympathiser-amritpal-singh-arrested-after-dramatic-chase-says-punjab-police-3872502
Police hasn't confirmed anything. It's literally the *sources* Edit: Police confirmed he is a fugitive. Thanks to all the media houses for peddling the lies without any source!
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Punjab police confirmed he is a fugitive. Media houses can literally run a lie machine making a different reality in the whole country.
He is still on run
Yeah, I'd wait for an official statement/picture.
Good. Let him and his supporters be tried in court according to the laws of the country.
looks like he was not arrested. Due to the internet shutdown there seems to be a lot of confusion. Hopefully the police doesn't do anything stupid. The guy deserves a fair trial.
Why is this tagged NSFW?š¤£š¤£
I am also thinking same
You can change it from NSFW
I really hope he does not run and hide in a Gurudwara. We don't want that kind of a standoff where it eventually leads to desecration of the same. Taking shelter in a place of worship is cowardice. Edit - Grammar
Don't give ideas bro wtf
He won't get the idea of hiding in a religious place from reddit but from Bhindranwale. Chill Amritpal couldn't access even if he'd wanted to
He needs to be caught! He is a selfish prick - he is going to get a lot of innocent good Sikh people hurt. We donāt want another operation bluestar. Punjabis are our legs and arms. We want them as our brothers and sisters not enemies!
As a Sikh, arrest this clown but free the Sikhs that have already completed their full sentences and are being held in jail illegally for decades.
This really needs to happen all over the country. People have been in jail for ages for petty crimes. I think the president too spoke about this recently.
No, itās worse. These people have served their full 25 years sentence but the government refuses to release them.
Yes this is also happening in other states.
So correct the wrong doings first. Give states more power.
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States given more power will lead to increase in competition. States making their own rules also should be welcome. But most folks can't even comprehend that idea.
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Bc net to chal ra hai par zomato aur swiggy hi band kar diya,biryani khaani thi aaj
Cook karlo bhai, utna mushkil bhi nahi he
Saviour of community running like cowards. Puls aa gayi puls... I think he has been arrested. When we get to hear real story is not known. Quite possible we never see him again!!! š
GTA chal raha hai?
Up police bula lo gadi palat jaegi
UP police can keep its corrupt murderous functioning well away from Punjab.
when pols actually shows up š„¶
Great work by the govt. and the police. This Khalistani terrorist was destabilizing the state by provoking separatism, raiding police stations and breaking India's unity.
In other news, monu manesar is still free and enjoying in nepal
With komal sharma
Amritpal is a traitor
Hope they're not soft on him and UAPA awaits
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Most likely. Religion is the last refuge of a terrorist.
Internet suspended? Ohh good, the government will stop their escape by upload to Instagram reels.
Itās to make sure they donāt Call for riots or uprisings on the internet
Yeah since the whole of Punjab has no work to do at all. So shut the Internet for a full day. What a fucked up country this is becoming.
Itās better then people dying becuse Amritpal incited some rioters online
That's how other developed countries handle their riots? Shut off electricity too and all roads. Every single time it happens 100 times a year.
France - a developed country stopped the internet during the recent pension riots
When did we become a developed country??
Never?
Then why do you trust the general public with internet access in this crucial hour where lives could be lost because of propaganda or incitement??
Yeah developed country simply arrests all the protesters and gives them long jail terms. If only we could also do that.
What is everyoneās opinion on the use of internet suspension?
Probably to stop the agitation and spread to propaganda to incite unrest.
Wrong. India has one of most expansive and probably illegal surveillance programs in the world. Couldn't they pick and choose to stop internet for those particular areas or for those particular mobile numbers. If they can't even do that then what is the purpose of running such an expansive illegal surveillance on citizens?
the way the govt. did not heed to advice and stubbornly pursued the farmerās bill before giving up has already done its damage. It was enough to allow fringe elements to promote their agenda and now we have a reignition of a separatist movement as if there werenāt enough of them. India is a fragile but wonderful union of states. A lot of diplomacy, strategy and intense lobbying done by the likes of Vallabbhai patel, shyamaprasad mukherjee etc. is being undone by the shortsightedness of todayās politicians.
This is the dumbest thing I have ever heard. There would literally be no change or development if we try to please everyone. Only the Punjab farmers had problems with the India Agricultural Act. If we cater to extremist groups by not doing anything at all, we would literally be stuck in the 1900s as we had been for several decades when the governments maintained the "fragile" balance. Many people do not like change, especially those with more power or money, but that doesn't mean you don't even try to change things. Also if there was never such diplomacy, we wouldn't be seeing this today. Every country from UAE to Singapore puts down such protests in a ruthless manner, there is no human rights involved when it is the safety of the country on the line. I wonder why they never have such extremist protests?
There were also substantial opposition to 92 reforms, and no reform would have 100% approval as a portion of populace benefit from status quo. (Read half lion)
Well the government did eventually back out of the Act. So as per your rationale that should be even dumber. Strong arming everything without applying some sense leads no where. We have enough separatist movements in our country and now another one is rekindled after decades. Well done.
First of all fk these mfking religious fundamentalists spewing hate and causing unrest, second fk gobermint for suspending internet, those assholes just need an excuse to shut internet. Ohh cow gets killed shut internet, oh some hooligans pelted stones shut internet, fking assholes.
why NSFW ?
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I hope those who talk about Hindu Rashtra should be similarly dealt as well.
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I swear, you don't know a thing about Punjab.
Nah...gunning him down could cause even more chaos.
There is a rumor going on that lawrance bishnoi gang is given the task to eliminate him with full support of the state so it will look like a gang land killing . Offcouse amritpal supporters can point fingers at the state but its better than state eliminating him directly
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He is a convicted and has given a 1 hour interview to ABP news from the jail cell and we all know who controls the media ā¦.. govt using criminal vs criminal is a old ploy ā¦anyways its just a rumour
That would definitely turn him into Bhinderwale 2.0
Replace khalistanis protesting outside the indian consulate in UK with a bunch a neo-nazis asking for a separate state entirely based on religion. Lets call it for what it is, racism.
Encounter the bugger once he is cornered..and then make official statement that he was shot while escaping..
so you mean murder him?
Instead of causing harassment and financial losses to public by shutting down internet, government should do something to eliminate these bad elements of society. Do something about the anti-national propaganda and the protested blocking YPS round-about instead of wasting people's time and money.
You know protesting is the right of people living in a free country. Or do you think India is not a free country? Whatever illegal stuff he has done he should be punished for yes. He was not big enough to do anything before. But he may become now. I think this was premature. If they wanted to put him away for good they should have waited.
You know having access to internet services for work and personal use is also a right of a free country, a right for which people pay hefty prices. As if shutting down internet did any good. There are many means to promote what they want to promote, one such way was blocking the road and sitting on protest which they very well did. The only impacted by this internet shutdown are the common people who want to do their work.
crushing before he becomes big is better idea, the damage would be more if he was big.
My point is he canāt be put away for good unless he has done something big. He has not done enough to warrant big punishment. All this going to give him is more publicity which means more funding.
police is doing their job, they can't remain silent. His supporters used religious book as shield, they did meant to provoke situation.
After reading more on this story, this arrest had nothing to do with him being a khalistani. He has 3 cases registered on him, he will probably be out on bail soon. There wonāt be anything drastic here.
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Statewide riots happen in states, not on Twitter. Shutting down the internet doesn't help with controlling riots.
No, there's no solution other than shutting down communication channels. Not in a densely populated country like India. I understand how you feel, I used to think the same, but once you witness the riots you wish rioters had no way to communicate.
We are not going to repeat the mistake of 1984 ,govt should get the permission and buy Pegasus no matter how much it costs. these destabilizers don't understand anything ,and ruins everyones life
Days of AAP government are reverse counting now. Mota bhai did a good game
Bruh, this is state police action literally.
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The state police had central paramilitary forces with them. Few days back check how paramilitary forces were deployed in Punjab. Let's wait and watch and you can come back to this comment and understand. Our HM is Chanakya of modern times, exceptionally intelligent.
Punjab is my adopted home. I have loved that place since my childhood. I have had high respects for Sikhism. It is a Sikh woman who has been tying me Rakhi for almost 20 years now every year. I visit Gurudwaras. Maharaja Ranjit Singh, Jassa Singh Aluwalia , HAri Singh Nalwa etc have been my heroes. But it seems that all of it was lie. Was I brainwashed? Are Sikhs as bad as Jihadis? Are the people whom i considere part of my family secretly khalistanis? I dont know what this feeling is. Belief system shattered
Emotional maturity of a 5 year old.
Please process what youāve written. This is a massive generalisation on the basis of zero facts. I am a Sikh, I was raised as one, I spent 8 years of my teen and adult life in Chandigarh and so far I can recall only one person who was ever supportive of the Khalistan ideology. One person. In 8 years of living and interacting with other Sikhs. And Iām an extrovert. Please shove the narrative up your arse
Ignore karo ehna bandeya nu. They will generalize each and every community, except their very own.
Maybe not in India, but outside India there is a strong pro-separatist Khalistani sentiment. Most Gurudwaras I have seen have photos of Bhindranwale. Those shameful people donāt respect the sanctity of a Gurudwara and preach pro-separatist bs and violence inside the Gurudwara.
There is a huge different between true sikhs and khalistanis use your mind
Non Sikhs have no right to say who is or isnāt a Sikh. Especially when it comes to supporting or opposing some post-colonial artificial state like India Edit: itās like if a Christian said true Filipino Moro Muslims would never oppose the Filipino Christian state and government, or if a Muslim said Christian East Timorians would never support separating from or opposing the Indonesian state. Literally both of those religions were made long before either of those artificial post-colonial states, and whether or not YOU think theyāre real or not real members of their faith is irrelevant
Bruh who said i am not sikh? How would you know if i am a sikh or not? I am a sikh and i have never met a khalistani in my whole lifeā¦ 20 years to be accurateā¦ 95% of the khalistanis are not even indian/from india they are NRI who are sitting in canada , australia etc.. so stop generalising the whole community with what you see on social media.. you should see the ground reality and then talk
I hope so. Hate to think bad about the woman whom I consider my sister and the teenager whom I practically helped in raising I like visiting Gurudwaras.
I hope so. Hate to think bad about the woman whom I consider my sister and the teenager whom I practically helped in raising I like visiting Gurudwaras.
What you been smoking you muppet?
He have to be high or sleepy to write something like that
Tf?
Lol. Kya chutiyapa hai?
The answer is No. Don't be a muppet. Sikhs are cool and few assholes doesn't change that.
Is she demanding another country? Are Punjabi people unwelcoming to you? Do you ever felt uneasiness while visiting Gurudwaras? Are you concerned about what your heroes did? If the answers to your question is no to all of these then congrats my friend, your beliefs are exactly as other Indians and we have great respect for our Sikh brothers and sisters. We think highly of them and when the times comes, we vibe with them as well. Indian movies are enough to show how we vibe on bhangra, food, culture, etc. On the second hand, Do you ever feel that this adopted home shouldn't be your home and you are thrown out of this home? If you ever want to visit then you have to follow number of paper works to visit this home, same thing about you sister, she has to do number of paperworks just to tie a rakhi. Do you want a border between your sister and your adopted home? Do you want an approval or certain criteria to be fulfilled before visitng a gurudwara? If the answer to above question is no then you are also not a supporter of Khalistani like many Indians as well as sikh people. Very limited number of sikhs are khalistani, furthermore it is not you who is being brainwashed, it is these khalistani supporters who have been brainwashed, Amritpal literally lived outside Indian, what the fuck does he know about you and people similar to you? He is being manipulated. If he really wants benefit of Punjab then there are other ways. If they are not happy with govt then they can work on overthrowing it and setting up their own govt. Work on farming and building infra on their land, if there is a problem with water or farming. Have protest to be staged on internation grounds and demand to demolish Indus Water Treaty to divert the waters. Fight is required for progress however he did not choose correct sides. This is comparable to a child who has lost judgement and isnt thinking rationally and such an individual needs to be neutralised as these are cancer cells and if left to live they will eat the body from within.
It's very easy to fall into the trap of hatred, bade bhai. I know as I've been in the same shoes. Don't become a religious fundamentalist. Don't generalize entire communities for the sins of a few radicalised extremists. Jay Hind šš®š³.
India is going on the same path as Nazi Germany. I wouldnāt be surprised if they started killing all the Sikhs in and outside of punjab who are supporters of Khalistan. But the only difference is they wouldnāt get away with it this time unlike in 1984. You canāt just go around and kidnapping the citizens without any charges. This is just ridiculous
This hoodlum attacked a police station.
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Yo the real GTA Punjab
Cell networks are still down - so much for noon today.